"That website is pretty low on content and for the heck of it I read the links on the right as well. The 25 shortcomings one is pretty ludicrous. You should read it."
I'm confused. How can it be and still have 25 shortcomings spread over two web pages.
"Most home users don't give a shit about SMB2. Most users are going to get Vista with new hardware, so their needing new hardware point is moot and really is it a shortcoming of Vista that it won't run on old hardware or is it a shortcoming of the hardware."
Why, in your opinion, is breaking SMB support in Linux not a problem. Considering that MS is all about inter-operability. Did the MS Linux Lab not even test it with the current Linux distros. If not why not?
I don't understand that you speak for the vast majority of home users. But isn't it true that they won't actually have a choice as to what to get with their next round of Windows/Vista upgrade. So what the home users give a shit about is a little moot.
It's also a demonstration in circular logic: To get Vista, 'home users' have to get new hardware. Since they don't have any choice the point is moot.
"The 2 gigs of ram to run Vista is bollocks - these guys havent even booted upto the RCs have they"
Do you think a PC running XP on 1GB will run faster or slower on Vista.
"He complains about a lack of driver support from the hardware manufacturer - how can you spin a hardware manufacturers problem into a shortcoming of vista?"
The trolls round have always criticized Linux for lack of hardware support. Why isn't that also a problem for Vista.
"They talk about lack of compatibility with AV products but do fail to mention a lot of things M$ is doing better with security"
Like locking out the AV companies from the kernel. And most of the new security feetures have been broken already.
"I run Debian in lab and Zenwalk at home"
I like Linux and really want it to be better.
"By the time he gets to 20 he isn't he making grammatical sentences and he actually claims that theres bound to be bugs in 50 million lines of code and a five year beta test period - I'd agree but it isn't because theres 50 million lines of code because dear lod Linux also has a lot of lines of code"
Criticise the form of the msg. Why wouldn't 50 million lines of nearly new code be the cause of some bugs slipping through.
"I'm not going to go on bashing the article"
As he goes about bashing the article..
"Heres my list of things that are Bad with Vista"
"1) DRM.."
His billness has already criticised this. Is msDRM already in the works?
"2) UAC - this is a great idea in principle but the last I checked in implementation it was too goddamn annoying and I'm sure most people will just turn it off"
You mean it didn't work as there were so many thing a user had to do as root, sorry administrator. Sudo seems to work OK under Linux.
"I had no driver issues. If I did I don't think I'd be blaming MS and rather my shitty hardware manufacturer"
You must be the only one. The HW manufacturers write to the specs. How is it the shitty fault of the manufacturers when the driver don't work on Vista. The drivers would have been certify by a MS test suite, else they wouldn't have made it into Vista.
was bad article- my list for BadVista. (Score:5, Astroturfing)
To supply Windows preinstalled is a choice they have made to, theoretically, make their customers happy. Why is OS selection any different then choosing which vendor made the chipset?
They why is it that in terms of software they only supply the product of a single software company. Is there anything in the OEM contract that compells this.
'Microsoft Corporation forces contracted Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs), who receive significantly lower prices on Microsoft's Windows operating system, not to install any operating system besides Microsoft Windows'
was: Isn't an HP a bundle of 3rd party products anyway
"The problem with an OS-free PC is that it will actually cost you more. The large PC manufacturers get Windows for very cheap, and then load it up with "value added" software, links, demos and other such great stuff"
What 'great stuff' do HP provide that adds more value to the PC. Why not provide a Linux Desktop that comes with Office, Internet and multi-media already included, unlike barebones Windows that requires seperate purchase of the applications.
"Honestly I don't see why HP's argument is flawed, without an OS the PC is useless for things that consumer's want to do. HP could install Linux on every PC they ship, but the problems inherent in that should be easy to see for anyone, even the most die-hard linux fanboy"
'during the past few years, several thousand Linspire-loaded PCs have been deployed in dozens of classrooms across the state of Indiana in an trial program that has been widely successful; some 12,500 high schools in India moved to Linux-only computers'
'Desktop Linux is less expensive for schools to buy and less expensive for IT administrators to upgrade," said Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony. "It's easy to install and easy for teachers and staff members to learn, and it's safe from the plague of viruses and spyware'
I have to work with a 3rd party database where all table names are 3 or 4 characters and all begin with the letter 'r'
Also keep all financial data in a spreadsheet, store it in the same folder as the executable and DLLs and erase the whole thing once a week when you attempting to drag and drop the file. Make sure to keep no backups as that'll only 'confuse me'.
I don't hate Microsoft, I just don't want to do business with a paranoid, untrustworthy, greedy organization that spends most of the time sabataging their partners software, financing bogus litigation issues and threatening people for not using their inferior product.
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[how to diss DR-DOS]
From: bradc
"another message is that dr dos 6 is incompatible and buggy"
"Please do not say we are spreading DR DOS FUD. that implies that the data we provide people who ask, like the press is unrue - it isn't. the top two pr objectives are to 1) Ensure the press gets the true story on our superiority and dr's inferiority - we have the better product; 2) derail the dr dos train"
"ms-dos terminology reminder - how will we impliment so that we don't just legitimize dr? ya know when people say pc-compatible they really mean ms-dos compatible"
[How to make sure Novell netware running DR-DOS will fail]
From: greglo
To: bradsi, davidcol, tomle
1. the purpose is to map Fail into a reasonable error code that will be correctly handled by windows apps
2. it would ship only with Win31 retail; no one could distribute seperatly (although we'll probably make it available earlier to a few key accounts such as American Airlines
3. testing will be done by our test group as well as Novell and a few corporate accounts such as American Airlines.
4. maintenence could potentially be done by our group (ArronR; he could do the initial work except that he is booked solid) I don't know if MSDOS6 will make such changes as to require some help from your group.
From tomle
To: bradsi davidcol greglo
Subject: Re: Novell
I am still confused about the solution. How do we use this library. How will this be use to circumvent Novell's panic on a return from rerty, fail
This measure is to address the critical-error problem that American Airlines is up in arms about.. it would take about 3-4 days for one of the MS-DOS developers to take the code out of the MS-DOS Kernel and build it into an independent library routine. We could turn that into an installable driver which I would allow apps to continue after encountering such an exror. We would then ship this driver with Win31. we need not give this code to Novell nor give them permission to redistribute it.
[how to fudge benchmarks in favor of MS]
- Create a benchmark suite analogous to SPECma-rks, but specialized to Windows based systems.. As an example, some tests will run faster if you have more RAM, so that you - do more cacheing. Although that may not seem fair, it actually is JUST what we want. This is discussed more below..
.. I do not think that we need to spend a lot of time or effort actually creating the benchmarks "with' the ISVs in a serious way. We don't want this bogged down with Politics, and there is no reason to do so. We probably should get CONFIDENTIAL permission from them and should sanity check the data file that we use. if this is done properly the ISVs should love this.
[discussing using public domain code in Winstones and disguising the fact]
.. The best solution from a practical standpoint is to get same public dcmain code (which may need to be ported to our OS) to create the benchmark. There should be a set of 5-10 different integer programs and again as many floating point program . We should make sure that the programs are quite different in their composition. There is a place called the Austin Code Works which sells tons of PD software, and that is a good place to look first..
Ideally speaking, this would allow us to directly DERIVE our system stratagy from "objective" empirical results..
Since it produces more energy than it consumes it should be easy to produce a full working example. For example a device consisting of a generator that feeds it's output to an electric motor that powers the generator.
"We have developed a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy."
"I actually use OOo all the time. It's still very annoying - when I need to layout some complex documents"
If you want to preserve layout don't use either msOffice or OO use LaTeX or LYX a GUI front end. Even transfering a word document between different machines is problematical as the formating changes depending on the installed printer.
"Calc doesn't have many features present in Excel - analysis, graphs, etc.... I mean, how hard could it be to add an interpolation feature?"
The one feeture it does have is it actually does the sums correctly, unlike Excel.
Browse OpenOffice forum, post top msg to slashdot.
With a version of Calc that allows for normal naming. I hate not being able to use dashes, underscores, and other non-alphanumeric characters in a spreadsheet's title
Apart from editing, saving and printing I have never met anyone who uses half the feetures in msOffice.
was I would be happy (Score:5, Feeture fud)
The real effect of such a bill would be to disuade people speaking their mind. I suspect such is the motive around similar legislation. With the current free for all Internet it's difficult for the people of influence to control the story.
Gore Vidal once wrote that in order to divert the electorate politicians regularlly get into a save our children frenzy. It's also ironic that the politicians are quite happy to take money from the major communications companies, some of which are major involved in the porn industry. Lookup who owns Vivid Entertainment and who owns a satellite porn channels. I'll give you a hint his 'news' channel is refered to as 'Faux News'.
The 'stars' of such entertainment which invariably come from abused backgrounds usually at the hands of their own relatives. As if there was something OK with adult porn. It's degrading to those who do it and those who watch it. Lastly the porn industry grosses bigger than legit Hollywood. It's only beaten by the drugs trade, remember, the pretend war the US is fighting in Columbia and elsewhere. Now Senater when are you going to bring in leglislation to lock up the pornographers.
Howard Beale: I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore."
"as such the question doesn't really make a lot of sense"
# 55: Pretend to not understand the question.
Most people would have left off not answering the question nine msgs ago. You should go back to patrolling Usenet 'where OCD sufferers participate in binary circle jerk to a point that letters become eroded from keyboard'. I will let you have the last word as I can see you're a bit obsessive about it.
# 51: Ignore repeated requests for clear answers.
# 52: Accuse the other fella of not being clear.
# 53: Move attention off the original question.
# 54: Incorrectly re-state what the other fella said.
You know bloody well what I mean.."What does Vista TCP/IP do that IPV6 cannot and I don't mean such feetures that are welded to the Vista API", RS
I'm sorry, your being very confusing and I'm going to have to ask you for clarification. I will of course mistate what you said and proceed to dissect the meaning of specific words while not actually addressing what you asked. I will of course neglect to actually give a straight answer.
"Funny. Buy a book on networking, it should explain why your original question was completely irrelevant. You seem to believe I'm debating with you, when in fact there's nothing to debate"
You're doing it again. How can a question be irrelevant. You make a statement and I ask for clarification. If you don't want to engage in anything remotely resembling rational debate then what the hack are you doing posting SIX replies consisting of nothingness.
I hadn't realised that Rootkit Revealer was copied from Ghostbuster and written in only a week to boot. Makes you wonder why MS went to the bother of buying Sysinternals. But didn't similar functionality exist previously in Tripwire.
I'm sorry, I am going to pretend to find what you said as confusing. Besides which your definition of 'stack', 'implementation', 'protocol' and 'optimisations' is different than mine, which I'm not going to tell you.
Yea what with the expense and environmental damage caused by tree logging, third world children should be banned from posessing books. And besides their primitive minds couldn't handle sophisticated concepts like us in the civilised world.
Some people sure are desperate for this project to fail. Since maintenence is done locally the OLPC project will actually boost the local economies. The same with putting in Internet infrastructure. The local telecoms will benefit as will the entire econonmy. What with Microsoft signing memorandums of understanding with so called third world countries why isn't there a similar outcry.
'Your wording is consistently confusing to me. You're not asking proper questions. Define "full functionality"'
You define your understanding of the meaning of "full functionality" in the context of IPV6 and Vista TCP/IP.
Rules of non-debating tactics:
# 47: Pretend to not understand what the other fella said and accuse him of being confusing.
# 48: Pretend to misunderstand the meaning of commonly used phrases, for instance 'full functionality'.
# 49: Move the discussion to the meaning of particular words, for instance 'full functionality'.
# 50: Personally insult the other fella.
re: Mr. 'objective third-party': You're not on Usenet now so do try and be polite.
Slashdot Mirror
'Dr. Evil: You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!'
"That website is pretty low on content and for the heck of it I read the links on the right as well. The 25 shortcomings one is pretty ludicrous. You should read it."
..
.."
/ vistas-user-account-control-one-click-and-its-gone 3 615936
I'm confused. How can it be and still have 25 shortcomings spread over two web pages.
"Most home users don't give a shit about SMB2. Most users are going to get Vista with new hardware, so their needing new hardware point is moot and really is it a shortcoming of Vista that it won't run on old hardware or is it a shortcoming of the hardware."
Why, in your opinion, is breaking SMB support in Linux not a problem. Considering that MS is all about inter-operability. Did the MS Linux Lab not even test it with the current Linux distros. If not why not?
I don't understand that you speak for the vast majority of home users. But isn't it true that they won't actually have a choice as to what to get with their next round of Windows/Vista upgrade. So what the home users give a shit about is a little moot.
It's also a demonstration in circular logic: To get Vista, 'home users' have to get new hardware. Since they don't have any choice the point is moot.
"The 2 gigs of ram to run Vista is bollocks - these guys havent even booted upto the RCs have they"
Do you think a PC running XP on 1GB will run faster or slower on Vista.
"He complains about a lack of driver support from the hardware manufacturer - how can you spin a hardware manufacturers problem into a shortcoming of vista?"
The trolls round have always criticized Linux for lack of hardware support. Why isn't that also a problem for Vista.
"They talk about lack of compatibility with AV products but do fail to mention a lot of things M$ is doing better with security"
Like locking out the AV companies from the kernel. And most of the new security feetures have been broken already.
"I run Debian in lab and Zenwalk at home"
I like Linux and really want it to be better.
"By the time he gets to 20 he isn't he making grammatical sentences and he actually claims that theres bound to be bugs in 50 million lines of code and a five year beta test period - I'd agree but it isn't because theres 50 million lines of code because dear lod Linux also has a lot of lines of code"
Criticise the form of the msg. Why wouldn't 50 million lines of nearly new code be the cause of some bugs slipping through.
"I'm not going to go on bashing the article"
As he goes about bashing the article
"Heres my list of things that are Bad with Vista"
"1) DRM
His billness has already criticised this. Is msDRM already in the works?
"2) UAC - this is a great idea in principle but the last I checked in implementation it was too goddamn annoying and I'm sure most people will just turn it off"
You mean it didn't work as there were so many thing a user had to do as root, sorry administrator. Sudo seems to work OK under Linux.
"I had no driver issues. If I did I don't think I'd be blaming MS and rather my shitty hardware manufacturer"
You must be the only one. The HW manufacturers write to the specs. How is it the shitty fault of the manufacturers when the driver don't work on Vista. The drivers would have been certify by a MS test suite, else they wouldn't have made it into Vista.
was bad article- my list for BadVista. (Score:5, Astroturfing)
http://www.ubersoft.net/
http://www.apcstart.com/site/jbannan/2006/09/1330
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/
To supply Windows preinstalled is a choice they have made to, theoretically, make their customers happy. Why is OS selection any different then choosing which vendor made the chipset?
They why is it that in terms of software they only supply the product of a single software company. Is there anything in the OEM contract that compells this.
'Microsoft Corporation forces contracted Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs), who receive significantly lower prices on Microsoft's Windows operating system, not to install any operating system besides Microsoft Windows'
was: Isn't an HP a bundle of 3rd party products anyway
"The problem with an OS-free PC is that it will actually cost you more. The large PC manufacturers get Windows for very cheap, and then load it up with "value added" software, links, demos and other such great stuff"
What 'great stuff' do HP provide that adds more value to the PC. Why not provide a Linux Desktop that comes with Office, Internet and multi-media already included, unlike barebones Windows that requires seperate purchase of the applications.
was Re:He's an idiot (Score:5, astro modded)
"Honestly I don't see why HP's argument is flawed, without an OS the PC is useless for things that consumer's want to do. HP could install Linux on every PC they ship, but the problems inherent in that should be easy to see for anyone, even the most die-hard linux fanboy"
'during the past few years, several thousand Linspire-loaded PCs have been deployed in dozens of classrooms across the state of Indiana in an trial program that has been widely successful; some 12,500 high schools in India moved to Linux-only computers'
'Desktop Linux is less expensive for schools to buy and less expensive for IT administrators to upgrade," said Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony. "It's easy to install and easy for teachers and staff members to learn, and it's safe from the plague of viruses and spyware'
was (Not a bad arguement Score:4, Astroturfing)
I have to work with a 3rd party database where all table names are 3 or 4 characters and all begin with the letter 'r'
Also keep all financial data in a spreadsheet, store it in the same folder as the executable and DLLs and erase the whole thing once a week when you attempting to drag and drop the file. Make sure to keep no backups as that'll only 'confuse me'.
Put everything in the one folder and name the documents a##### where # stands for 0-9 - a true story.
I don't hate Microsoft, I just don't want to do business with a paranoid, untrustworthy, greedy organization that spends most of the time sabataging their partners software, financing bogus litigation issues and threatening people for not using their inferior product.
.. it would take about 3-4 days for one of the MS-DOS developers to take the code out of the MS-DOS Kernel and build it into an independent library routine. We could turn that into an installable driver which I would allow apps to continue after encountering such an exror. We would then ship this driver with Win31. we need not give this code to Novell nor give them permission to redistribute it.
.. As an example, some tests will run faster if you have more RAM, so that you - do more cacheing. Although that may not seem fair, it actually is JUST what we want. This is discussed more below ..
.. I do not think that we need to spend a lot of time or effort actually creating the benchmarks "with' the ISVs in a serious way. We don't want this bogged down with Politics, and there is no reason to do so. We probably should get CONFIDENTIAL permission from them and should sanity check the data file that we use. if this is done properly the ISVs should love this.
.. The best solution from a practical standpoint is to get same public dcmain code (which may need to be ported to our OS) to create the benchmark. There should be a set of 5-10 different integer programs and again as many floating point program . We should make sure that the programs are quite different in their composition. There is a place called the Austin Code Works which sells tons of PD software, and that is a good place to look first ..
..
-------
[how to diss DR-DOS]
From: bradc
"another message is that dr dos 6 is incompatible and buggy"
"Please do not say we are spreading DR DOS FUD. that implies that the data we provide people who ask, like the press is unrue - it isn't. the top two pr objectives are to 1) Ensure the press gets the true story on our superiority and dr's inferiority - we have the better product; 2) derail the dr dos train"
"ms-dos terminology reminder - how will we impliment so that we don't just legitimize dr? ya know when people say pc-compatible they really mean ms-dos compatible"
[How to make sure Novell netware running DR-DOS will fail]
From: greglo
To: bradsi, davidcol, tomle
1. the purpose is to map Fail into a reasonable error code that will be correctly handled by windows apps
2. it would ship only with Win31 retail; no one could distribute seperatly (although we'll probably make it available earlier to a few key accounts such as American Airlines
3. testing will be done by our test group as well as Novell and a few corporate accounts such as American Airlines.
4. maintenence could potentially be done by our group (ArronR; he could do the initial work except that he is booked solid) I don't know if MSDOS6 will make such changes as to require some help from your group.
From tomle
To: bradsi davidcol greglo
Subject: Re: Novell
I am still confused about the solution. How do we use this library. How will this be use to circumvent Novell's panic on a return from rerty, fail
This measure is to address the critical-error problem that American Airlines is up in arms about
[how to fudge benchmarks in favor of MS]
- Create a benchmark suite analogous to SPECma-rks, but specialized to Windows based systems
[discussing using public domain code in Winstones and disguising the fact]
Ideally speaking, this would allow us to directly DERIVE our system stratagy from "objective" empirical results
Selling against OS/2
The claim th
Since it produces more energy than it consumes it should be easy to produce a full working example. For example a device consisting of a generator that feeds it's output to an electric motor that powers the generator.
"We have developed a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy."
"Why is it that I don't have these same memory leaks that everyone else seems to have?"
;)
Same here, FF currently using 62,504 KB. I wouldn't know about the memory leak issue unless I read about it whenever Firefox is mentioned on slashdot.
I like $some.opensource.app except it doesn't have $some.random.feeture
was Re:fix the memory leaks first
"I actually use OOo all the time. It's still very annoying - when I need to layout some complex documents"
If you want to preserve layout don't use either msOffice or OO use LaTeX or LYX a GUI front end. Even transfering a word document between different machines is problematical as the formating changes depending on the installed printer.
"Calc doesn't have many features present in Excel - analysis, graphs, etc.... I mean, how hard could it be to add an interpolation feature?"
The one feeture it does have is it actually does the sums correctly, unlike Excel.
Browse OpenOffice forum, post top msg to slashdot.
was Re:my failed attempt to evangelize (Score:1)
A Gendarme contacted by Wired News who spoke on the condition of anonymity said, Wired
Why need to be anonymous, it's not as if Linus is going to get him fired.
was The main problem (Score:5, Mod Troll)
With a version of Calc that allows for normal naming. I hate not being able to use dashes, underscores, and other non-alphanumeric characters in a spreadsheet's title
Apart from editing, saving and printing I have never met anyone who uses half the feetures in msOffice. was I would be happy (Score:5, Feeture fud)
The real effect of such a bill would be to disuade people speaking their mind. I suspect such is the motive around similar legislation. With the current free for all Internet it's difficult for the people of influence to control the story. Gore Vidal once wrote that in order to divert the electorate politicians regularlly get into a save our children frenzy. It's also ironic that the politicians are quite happy to take money from the major communications companies, some of which are major involved in the porn industry. Lookup who owns Vivid Entertainment and who owns a satellite porn channels. I'll give you a hint his 'news' channel is refered to as 'Faux News'.
The 'stars' of such entertainment which invariably come from abused backgrounds usually at the hands of their own relatives. As if there was something OK with adult porn. It's degrading to those who do it and those who watch it. Lastly the porn industry grosses bigger than legit Hollywood. It's only beaten by the drugs trade, remember, the pretend war the US is fighting in Columbia and elsewhere. Now Senater when are you going to bring in leglislation to lock up the pornographers.
Howard Beale: I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore."
"as such the question doesn't really make a lot of sense"
# 55: Pretend to not understand the question.
Most people would have left off not answering the question nine msgs ago. You should go back to patrolling Usenet 'where OCD sufferers participate in binary circle jerk to a point that letters become eroded from keyboard'. I will let you have the last word as I can see you're a bit obsessive about it.
What imdemnification did the software developers provide in the event of such an occurance.
I've been asking you for clarification! ..
.."What does Vista TCP/IP do that IPV6 cannot and I don't mean such feetures that are welded to the Vista API", RS
.. (Score:2)
Rules of non-debating tactics:
# 51: Ignore repeated requests for clear answers.
# 52: Accuse the other fella of not being clear.
# 53: Move attention off the original question.
# 54: Incorrectly re-state what the other fella said.
You know bloody well what I mean
I'm sorry, your being very confusing and I'm going to have to ask you for clarification. I will of course mistate what you said and proceed to dissect the meaning of specific words while not actually addressing what you asked. I will of course neglect to actually give a straight answer.
was Re:classic non-debating tactic
I recall Netcraft produced a map of the Internet. Anyone know where it can still be found.
"Funny. Buy a book on networking, it should explain why your original question was completely irrelevant. You seem to believe I'm debating with you, when in fact there's nothing to debate"
You're doing it again. How can a question be irrelevant. You make a statement and I ask for clarification. If you don't want to engage in anything remotely resembling rational debate then what the hack are you doing posting SIX replies consisting of nothingness.
"a rootkit that eliminates other rootkits"
Make OS that can't be rootkited.
"a firewall that blocks the traffic exploiting published vulnerabilities"
Sounds like an application level firewall.
"a system for catching lost e-mail"
Make an email system that don't lose emails.
"a honeypot targeted at discovering zero-day exploits"
Make an OS that fails safe in the presence of zero-day exploits.
"some anti-phishing applications"
Make an online identity system that can't be phished.
I hadn't realised that Rootkit Revealer was copied from Ghostbuster and written in only a week to boot. Makes you wonder why MS went to the bother of buying Sysinternals. But didn't similar functionality exist previously in Tripwire.
"If you were making sense, I'd respond to you"
I'm sorry, I am going to pretend to find what you said as confusing. Besides which your definition of 'stack', 'implementation', 'protocol' and 'optimisations' is different than mine, which I'm not going to tell you.
Yea what with the expense and environmental damage caused by tree logging, third world children should be banned from posessing books. And besides their primitive minds couldn't handle sophisticated concepts like us in the civilised world.
was Re:True cost of a book?
Some people sure are desperate for this project to fail. Since maintenence is done locally the OLPC project will actually boost the local economies. The same with putting in Internet infrastructure. The local telecoms will benefit as will the entire econonmy. What with Microsoft signing memorandums of understanding with so called third world countries why isn't there a similar outcry.
'Your wording is consistently confusing to me. You're not asking proper questions. Define "full functionality"'
..
You define your understanding of the meaning of "full functionality" in the context of IPV6 and Vista TCP/IP.
Rules of non-debating tactics:
# 47: Pretend to not understand what the other fella said and accuse him of being confusing.
# 48: Pretend to misunderstand the meaning of commonly used phrases, for instance 'full functionality'.
# 49: Move the discussion to the meaning of particular words, for instance 'full functionality'.
# 50: Personally insult the other fella.
re: Mr. 'objective third-party': You're not on Usenet now so do try and be polite.
was Re:full functionality != can communicate