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Map of the Internet

Wellington Grey writes "Author of the popular webcomic xkcd has put up a hand made map of the internet as today's comic. He also has an interesting blog entry detailing some of the work that went into it, such a pinging servers and creating a method of fractal mapping to display related regions as contiguous sections on the grid." The drawing is pretty damn impressive; somebody get on making that thing a giant wall poster so I can paper over Taco's office door.

186 comments

  1. Rasterizer. by celardore · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The drawing is pretty damn impressive; somebody got on making that thing a giant wall poster so I can paper over Taco's office door.
    Have you tried something like Rasterizer?
    1. Re:Rasterizer. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, all the suck of single page printers and tape, with none of the good that comes from being big and glossy.

      There are lots of people that will do this for you, on a nice, large, glossy sheet of paper, without asploding your color ink cartridge:

      http://www.google.com/search?q=large+format+printi ng

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    2. Re:Rasterizer. by Council · · Score: 5, Informative

      To everyone who's asked for a large poster of this -- I'm going to be offering large prints of it in the xkcd store before too long, but for a handful of reasons I can't easily do it immediately (I'm in the middle of the holiday rush with shipping out t-shirts). It's cool to hear so many people are interested, though! Thank you!

      I would actually like to see someone else create a computer-generated poster with a higher level of detail (there will be algorithms for the mapping on the blag soon). I think you can do some interesting things with this fractal; it'd be neat to see all the websites you visit marked with red dots, more detailed survey info for the registry patchwork, server density/space usage (the 63-74 blocks are more densely populated than anything else), etc.

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    3. Re:Rasterizer. by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      I was always a fan ofThe Rasterbator, maybe it's becuase of the name.

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    4. Re:Rasterizer. by ei4anb · · Score: 3, Interesting
      obligatory reference to the CAIDA maps: http://www.caida.org/analysis/topology/as_core_net work/

      I realy do like the simple structure of the xkcd map though; like the London Underground map it is a simple representation that took much work to make it so simple!

    5. Re:Rasterizer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To everyone who's asked for a large poster of this -- I'm going to be offering large prints of it in the xkcd store before too long,
      Sounds great!

      Do me a favor though-- redraw it with a straight edge...

      Just looking at the web comic gives me an epileptic seizure and I fear magnified parkinsons squiggles will push me past the "grand mal" point.
    6. Re:Rasterizer. by rspress · · Score: 1

      Or keeping with the fractal theme use Genuine Fractals in Photoshop to enlarge this to nearly any size you want with very little loss in quality.

    7. Re:Rasterizer. by Cha$e · · Score: 1

      Council:

      EXCELLENT work! But FYI, Eli Lilly is spelled wrong - it's Lilly, not Lily.

    8. Re:Rasterizer. by jd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the t-shirts'll crinkle due to continental drift!

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    9. Re:Rasterizer. by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1
      (the 63-74 blocks are more densely populated than anything else), etc.

      Almost sounds like a case for lanthanide/actinide type of sub-map.

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    10. Re:Rasterizer. by Askmum · · Score: 1

      So... you're going to do a T-shirt version if it too?

  2. xkcd by Tet · · Score: 4, Funny

    xkcd is a work of genius. See, for example, this classic.

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    1. Re:xkcd by Fordiman · · Score: 2, Funny

      That was special. Almost makes me want to install Linux on my girlfriend, just so I can try that.

      Meanwhile, I agree with the killing Ann Coulter thing. She just makes humans look bad.

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    2. Re:xkcd by Thornae · · Score: 4, Funny

      Note that there is no request for a password.

      The implications of this are left as an exercise for the reader...

      Be warned: If you're viewing xkcd for the first time, you might end up reading through all of them. It's simple but brilliant.

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    3. Re:xkcd by erpbridge · · Score: 5, Funny

      Methinks the Girlfriend is insecure? Seems she is easy to root.

      Since the girlfriend takes commands over the air, that makes her an open access point?

    4. Re:xkcd by LaminatorX · · Score: 1

      Per Stallman's advice from back in the day, the password was left blank.

    5. Re:xkcd by loconet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here is another hilarious one.

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    6. Re:xkcd by finkployd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet none are as funny as this

      Finkployd

    7. Re:xkcd by birge · · Score: 1

      What makes you think it was a man asking a woman for a sandwich? Ok, yeah, we all know it was.

    8. Re:xkcd by Basehart · · Score: 1

      I thought it was one guy asking another for a sandwich, primarily because the one standing up wasn't wearing a dress.

    9. Re:xkcd by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1

      A check for 0.2 cents? Somehow I don't think that's gonna pay his phone bill. :-)

    10. Re:xkcd by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't think Randall Munroe uses dresses. To indicate a woman he just puts long hair on her. No hair == probably a man.

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    11. Re:xkcd by jpetts · · Score: 1

      It simply means that he already issued a sudo command recently, and is still within the authorisation period. He probably said "sudo show me your tits" or something...

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    12. Re:xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      {yawn}... No hair == probably a man.

      Say that to the fine irradiated african men in the chemotherapy lab.

      Your post should be redacted, and Munroe should be shackled by Homeland Suckurity for prejudice against people based on

      [x] color
              define: he only uses black pens to highlight white-faced ethnicities.
      [ ] sex
      [ ] origin
      [x] race
              define: pro-white drawing canvas
      [x] religion
              define: I invoke Jesse Jackson, savior and priest! (Now I'll be on satelite-channels COURT, TBN, and BET!)
      [x] age
              define: makes the probable assumption against children, that they too will not have hair in light of baldness.
      [x] medical condition
              define: makes the probable assumption that only a man has no hair.

    13. Re:xkcd by Basehart · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I was wondering why all the women in his strips were portrayed as being naked. I guess they were fully cloed the whole time. Doh.

    14. Re:xkcd by Phleg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it interesting that most of the people who see the comic immediately assume a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship between the two. If you look carefully, nowhere does the comic indicate which gender either character is.

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    15. Re:xkcd by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      "Be warned: If you're viewing xkcd for the first time, you might end up reading through all of them. It's simple but brilliant."

      I don't know if I should be impressed or scared by your accuracy. I have never seen xkcd before, but it IS absolutely brilliant, deep, and addictive.

      In that particular comic, I also like the alt-text implying abuse of power and breach of security protocol. Or I guess it's not implied so much as glaringly obvious.

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    16. Re:xkcd by olego · · Score: 1

      I haven't laughed that hard for at least a month. Thanks, mate!

  3. Beeb by smallguy78 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Amazing that the BBC owns to class As and the british MoD too. I suppose we did invent the damn thing though, so we deserve it.

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    1. Re:Beeb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm pretty sure you can claim hypertext or http or something like that, but not the network itself. The network was a DARPA project.

    2. Re:Beeb by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 3, Informative

      http is the killer app of DARPA's platform.
      The British deserve a pretty damn sizable chunk of it, with respect to population and usage.

    3. Re:Beeb by dkf · · Score: 1
      http is the killer app of DARPA's platform.
      That and email.
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    4. Re:Beeb by evilviper · · Score: 1
      http is the killer app of DARPA's platform.

      Not at all. If you mean the WWW, that could easily run under gopher:// rather than http.

      Personally, I don't think WWW is all that hot. gopher could just as easily have included rich text, graphics, and things like secure shopping, and it would have done so in a structured way, that might actually be parsable by machines, and displayed in any of millions of ways the user wants, unlike the unstructured mish-mash of HTML crud.
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    5. Re:Beeb by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 1

      You sound like someone defending betamax. A worthy effort, but a wasted one.

    6. Re:Beeb by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I'm not defending "betamax" in your analogy, I'm just pointing out tha VHS isn't really a killer app, and also pointing out it's limitations over betamax... hoping the same mistakes aren't made in the next ones (DVDs?).

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  4. Clever by inviolet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, I wish I was clever enough to come up with stuff like this.

    The author gets additional Cleverness Points for thinking to post the geonetric locations of the major geek sites (slashdot, digg, boingboing, etc.) in order to encourage those sites to repost links to the author's website.

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    1. Re:Clever by strider44 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not like he gets ad revenue. XKCD is the best computer comic I read and I don't really think he craves the attention so much.

    2. Re:Clever by solevita · · Score: 1

      I see ebay on the map. That's because, I guess, he's trying to sell the jpg on ebay; of course, it makes perfect sense.

      Perhaps the author has put on sites, for interest, that may appear to fellow geeks?

    3. Re:Clever by Democritus+the+Minor · · Score: 1

      right... that's why he releases it with a Creative Commons license...

    4. Re:Clever by solevita · · Score: 1

      You missed my sarcasm then?

  5. Impressive, yes... but does it contain by zappepcs · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    any truthiness?

    Someone send this to Colbertnation.com and ask them for a review?

  6. Real Map of Internet by Delta-9 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thats neat, however opte.org is working on realtime maps of the internet.

    1. Re:Real Map of Internet by grommit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's nice, however those opte maps don't show the same information as the xkcd map does. While a whole bunch of lines randomly spread around has a certain spartan appeal, it doesn't convey any information. I can't look at the opte maps and say, "Oh, there's so and so" or "here I am." So, I'd hardly call them maps. Maps usually have information tags describing/naming places. Maybe those LGL files contain that information? It'd be nice if they made screenshots of the output of those LGL files though.

    2. Re:Real Map of Internet by HairyCanary · · Score: 1

      The last updates to that site seem to have occured nearly two years ago. Are you sure they are still working on anything?

    3. Re:Real Map of Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neat maps, but we need one with a "You are here!" sign on them ;)

  7. Interesting... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    But where's the "Here there be dragons" part?

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    1. Re:Interesting... by griffjon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Dude, he pointed out slashdot. What, do you want mapquest directions to the dragons?

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    2. Re:Interesting... by turly · · Score: 1
      But where's the Here there be dragons part?
      I think you'll find that Halliburton (owner of 34.x.x.x) qualifies as a dragon.

      Or at least an ogre.

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    3. Re:Interesting... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      But where's the "Here there be dragons" part?

      In view of the way humanity's moral compass has been recalibrated since the middle ages I think the need for the creation of a "Here be porn!" annotation is more urgent.

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    4. Re:Interesting... by Stavr0 · · Score: 1

      Right there, Just left of the Multicast space. There's a picture of Trogdor, burninating lost packets and thatch-roofed cottages ...

    5. Re:Interesting... by andyh3930 · · Score: 1

      Do you mean here http://www.draconian.com/ ?

    6. Re:Interesting... by ei4anb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Dragons are shown in real time on this map http://isc.sans.org/large_map.php

    7. Re:Interesting... by British · · Score: 1

      Right next to the Asia-pacific part, which could be captioned "here be the spam".

    8. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 192/8 space used to be referred to as "the swamp"

    9. Re:Interesting... by trianglman · · Score: 1

      Lets see:
      Dragons - loud, obnoxious, and best avoided.
      I would say its that North America section near the top of the center. AKA Myspace.

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    10. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But where's the "Here there be dragons" part?"

      Ah. That's obvious. Somewhere on the other side of the Great Firewall of China.

      Either that, or it's the green parts of the map.

  8. Amazing web commics by TheRagingTowel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What amazes me most is his ability to make you see the character's face expression although it's a faceless stick figure (eg this). That and that he seems to be an absolute geek :)

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  9. MIT by minus_273 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always laugh at how MIT half as much as all of latin america and as much as all of Africa.

    I remember being in MIT and getting a real fixed IP for every single device. We actually had a coke vending machine that was hacked and online with its own IP. Considering they has so much that they are no where near running out, I'm sure there are a ton of toasters online at MIT as well.

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    1. Re:MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I always laugh at how MIT half as much as all of latin america and as much as all of Africa.

      Buh?

      We actually had a coke vending machine that was hacked and online with its own IP. Considering they has so much that they are no where near running out, I'm sure there are a ton of toasters online at MIT as well.

      Wuh?

    2. Re:MIT by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I haven't had my coffee...

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    3. Re:MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My uni has 3 class B ranges (erm... 129.31, 146.169 and 155.198) plus a truckload of class Cs, but I've yet to see a toaster online... still, no NATs in sight.

      I'll work on the toaster.

    4. Re:MIT by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      my last job before this one was at a web/intranet firm with 5 employees. The guy had started it up in the mid 90s and managed to cheaply get an entire ...255 subnet range just before someone did the math and realised exactly how rare they were. So whilst the physical size of the operation was much smaller than MIT the scale was probably comparable. Once you subtracted the handful of servers i had almost 50 IP addresses all to myself ... handy for running VNC/SSH from home at the weekends but never did get around to installing a web cam in the cafe downstairs*, mind

      *where a bunch of young polish student waitresses worked

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    5. Re:MIT by Pasquina · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Each dorm is assigned all of a second-level IP: 18.XXX.*.*, that's 65536 IP addresses per dorm. At about 300 students per dorm, that's more than 200 static IPs per student...just in case. My fraternity is assigned 512 IPs for 45 guys.
      If nothing else, it has skewed my opinion on how quickly we're running out of IPv4 addresses.

      I've also heard that MIT rents some of their IPs to Portugal. (This was also the subject of a supposed hack that some MIT student took out an entire country's internet service for a little while.) Does anyone know if either half of this is true?

    6. Re:MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember being not in MIT and knowing how to spell 'have'

    7. Re:MIT by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      good thing MIT HAS half as much as latin america.

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    8. Re:MIT by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      That's pretty crazy. Here at Berkeley, each dorm has two third-levels. The whole campus is on a handful of second-levels.

  10. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What language is this? "somebody got on making that thing a giant wall poster so I can paper over Taco's office door."

  11. Too much time by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone obviously has too much time on his hands. And to think he could have been reading /.

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  12. Running out? by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    There appear to be quite a few "wild" areas on the map. People keep complaining how IPv4 address space is running out, but there is actually grass growing in some of those areas!

    1. Re:Running out? by revlayle · · Score: 3, Funny

      THAT what must be clogging the tubes. Not porn... GRASS!

    2. Re:Running out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep it down or Congress will give the DEA jurisdiction over the internet...

    3. Re:Running out? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Hay dude, keep it quiet. Them narcs have been finding too many of our planting sites lately.

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  13. Risk? by onetwofour · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone fancy a game?
    Good news is that we could wipe out the USA quite quickly.

    1. Re:Risk? by jrwr00 · · Score: 1

      already did i made a map for JRisk already, quite fun

    2. Re:Risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good show old chaps! Tea for two? Cheerio indeed, cheerio!

      Gufaw!

  14. Where's the money? by kooky45 · · Score: 1

    1. Work out fractal map.
    2. Place domains on map.
    3. Ping servers and put them on map.
    4. ?
    5. Profit!!!

    Or is there pure geek value in this?

    1. Re:Where's the money? by masklinn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or is there pure geek value in this?

      I take it you've never read xkcd have you?

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  15. I knew it! by monkeyboythom · · Score: 0

    The world is flat! /me waving from the 'o' of the word Various

  16. Good job, but... by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They did a good job in labeling things like local, multicast, loopback, and VPN addresses, but they forgot to note 169 as such.

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    1. Re:Good job, but... by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      Yeah they could have just put a "You Are Here" arrow trhere or something. :-)

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    2. Re:Good job, but... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      255 isn't marked specially, either.

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    3. Re:Good job, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      forgot to note 169 as such.

      As such what? 169/8 isn't allocated for any one thing. IANA marks it as "Various Registries". 169.254/16 is reserved for local addresses and used by windows for computers that fail to receive an address by DHCP. ARIN tells me that UCSD has 169.228.0.0-169.233.255.255 (so much for CIDR allocations, it's not a complete /12)

    4. Re:Good job, but... by dpilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since you're mentioning the zeroconf space, it's also worth noting that they pointed RFC1918 at "192.", though I guess they discounted everything but "192.168.", but in the meantime they completely forgot about 172.16.-172.31. and gave 10. to cable companies.

      I've been thinking for some time that 172.16-31 might be a better place to hide my LAN, away from normal expectations. In a very meager way, this confirms it.

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  17. Hmm... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Slashdot warrants a special mention as does suicide girls.

    I think we have a pretty good insight into the sick and twisted human mind with this map.

  18. IPv4 space by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought we were (supposedly) running out of IPv4 space... but the map shows quite a few unallocated blocks. What gives?

    1. Re:IPv4 space by forkazoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought we were (supposedly) running out of IPv4 space... but the map shows quite a few unallocated blocks. What gives?


      Look at how much spqace MIT has. Now, look at how much space the whole of Africa has. Even if we assigned every last block, we would probably never see an African university with a whole /8 to itself. Think about how many people are in India and China, and compare the asian assignment vs. the US assignment. It will be impossible to ever make IPv4 fair. IPv6 allows us to just bypass the whole issue and let everybody have as much address space as they could possibly use.
    2. Re:IPv4 space by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Space isn't supposed to be allocated efficiently. If 1.2.3.4 goes to the US, 1.2.3.5 goes to Spain, and 1.2.3.6 is in Japan that makes routing a huge pain.

      This is the problem IPv6 is supposed to solve. With so much address space you can just assign a range to a country which is much, much larger than all of IPv4 and forget about having huge routing tables.

    3. Re:IPv4 space by minus_273 · · Score: 0

      "Think about how many people are in India and China, and compare the asian assignment vs. the US assignment. It will be impossible to ever make IPv4 fair."

      I think it tells you more about where the network originated and who controls and owns the infrastructure. if the third world invested the money in the research and infrastructure, the would have more. Since they didn't they should be happy with what they have been given for free.

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    4. Re:IPv4 space by Aerion · · Score: 1

      Look at how much spqace MIT has. Now, look at how much space the whole of Africa has. Even if we assigned every last block, we would probably never see an African university with a whole /8 to itself. Think about how many people are in India and China, and compare the asian assignment vs. the US assignment. It will be impossible to ever make IPv4 fair. IPv6 allows us to just bypass the whole issue and let everybody have as much address space as they could possibly use.

      "Fair" is an odd word to be using. Does "fair" mean that every region has the same number of IP addresses per capita?

      MIT has the infrastructure and resources to actually use a lot of IP space, whereas Africa doesn't. North American and Europe have a huge headstart on Internet infrastructure, and so they ought to get more IP space, regardless of population.

      Now, admittedly, MIT doesn't need a whole class A. But my dorm has two class B's to itself, and regardless of whether that's necessary or not (hint: it's not), it's still fun to brag about. Take that, Harvard!

    5. Re:IPv4 space by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      They've been saying it for years. I'm thinking it's got to be kinda one of those "the earth is warming, no cooling, no warming!" type things where nobody really knows.

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    6. Re:IPv4 space by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      So just because they didn't have the money to invest we should leave them further behind in the dust instead of giving them the opportunity to better themselves?

    7. Re:IPv4 space by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      The problem never has been the number of addresses left, but the number of addresses available. Before you scream that it is the same, it isn't really: One is a indication of the number of addresses in use, while the other is an indication of political or business motivation, or ability, for making the address available to those who want them. Address allocation is never going to be an efficient task, so by having more addresses available you support the fact that %10 of the addresses will never be allocated.

      There are probably other good reasons for IPv6, but I am not an expert here.

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    8. Re:IPv4 space by david.given · · Score: 1

      So just because they didn't have the money to invest we should leave them further behind in the dust instead of giving them the opportunity to better themselves?

      Of course. That's what capitalism means, after all...

      Alternatively:

      We can't help people --- that would be socialism!

      </sarcasm>

    9. Re:IPv4 space by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      Those unused addresses are being consumed at an ever-increasng rate, and will be gone by 2009-2012.

    10. Re:IPv4 space by nchip · · Score: 1

      It's not how many are free now.. It's how fast we are consuming the space.

      http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

      Eleven /8 blocks where assigned this year (06). There is 71 blocks left, of which some are not usable (10/8, 127/8, ..), so that leaves about 6 years of ipv4 address space with current consumption.

      Tighter address (re)usage and (even) more NAT are likely to into place before that.

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    11. Re:IPv4 space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, admittedly, MIT doesn't need a whole class A. But my dorm has two class B's to itself, and regardless of whether that's necessary or not (hint: it's not), it's still fun to brag about. Take that, Harvard!
       
      I am amused by the fact that with this information, I found your IP address, email, real name, and room number.

    12. Re:IPv4 space by VWJedi · · Score: 1
      IPv6 allows us to just bypass the whole issue and let everybody have as much address space as they could possibly use.

      This sounds suspiciously like "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

    13. Re:IPv4 space by afidel · · Score: 1

      Uhh, allocating based on physical location would be pretty retarded. It would ignore the real world where IP space is controlled by the ISP's and routing is done along peering boundaries, not national borders. The real way to do it would be to allocate a top level to each major ISP and have them chunk them into regional POP lists and have the POP's show up in the routing table, more entries than the national boundary concept but MUCH more efficient in the real world.

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    14. Re:IPv4 space by wayne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, wikipedia has a very good summary of when IPv4 address space exhaustion will likely happen. In particular, while the IPv4 allocation graphs made by Geoff Huston aren't as pretty, they are likely far more accurate than xkcd's. The only problem with Geoff's predictions is the exhaution date keeps getting moved forward so his dates are probably best-case predictions.

      Basically, yes, the IPv4 space is running out. It is still 3-5 years out for IANA exhaustion and further for the RIRs and ISPs, but it is something that people need to start planning for. The predictions about IPv4 addresses running out back in the 90s was before the development of things like CIDR allocations, NAT, RFC1918 private network numbers, HTTP1.1's virtual hosts, DHCP, and the dot-com crash. There haven't been any new "gee, we can make the IPv4 space go a lot further if..." type ideas for years and it doesn't appear likely that any more large savings will happen before it is too late to deploy them.

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    15. Re:IPv4 space by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      With only twice as much information as IPv6 gives us we could tag every atom on the planet IIRC.

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    16. Re:IPv4 space by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Informative
      This sounds suspiciously like "640K ought to be enough for anybody."


      Have you looked at how many IP's you get in IPv6? Seriously, I once saw the number and it took me several minutes of googling to figure out how to say the number outloud because I had never encountered a number that large. Given that IP will only be useful for a single planet network, we should be good for a very long time.

      Quickly googling, I saw these explanations of how many addresses we get with IPv6:

      (667 sextillion) addresses per square meter

      3.4 times 10**38 addresses, or 5 times 10**28 (50 octillion) for each of the roughly 6.5 billion people alive today

      I'm perfectly comfortable being quoted saying that 50 octillion addresses ought to be enough for anybody. (Considering the whole of the current IPv4 Internet is only 4 billion some odd addresses...)
    17. Re:IPv4 space by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm sure that when IPv4 was created, they thought it would have plenty of addresses too. But you're probably right that IPv6 will be good for quite a while.

      Given that IP will only be useful for a single planet network...

      Why do you say that? (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious about your reasoning.)

    18. Re:IPv4 space by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      IIRC people usually bring up, semi-tongue-in-cheeck, that the time taken for light to travel even to the nearest planet exceeds the round-trip time of TCP/IP ... assuming light is the fastest thing, which it is according to our current understanding of physics. But RTT isn't actually used for time, and I'm not sure what they've done with this in IPv6. But either way you'd probably get timeouts trying to connect to any site on another planet, it wouldn't be practical (IIRC for example the RTT of communication with with Mars would be about 10 or 20 minutes). With a modified protocol and/or software you could probably transmit non-time-sensitive stuff, but it wouldn't really be the Internet as we know it.

    19. Re:IPv4 space by snarkth · · Score: 1


        Hopefully we won't have to debate this issue again for a few thousand years. :-)

      snarkth

    20. Re:IPv4 space by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      When Africa figures out how to stop being Africa and start implimenting things like grade school education, hygene, and civil behavior to catch up with what has been commonplace in the rest of the world since the early 1900s, then we can talk about properly allocating IP space.

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    21. Re:IPv4 space by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 1
      I'm perfectly comfortable being quoted saying that 50 octillion addresses ought to be enough for anybody.


      Oh won't you look like a fool once intergalactic civilization gets going.

      -Grey
    22. Re:IPv4 space by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      I would agree that the round-trip time would probably be the biggest issue, and would kill any time-sensitive stuff. That being said, does it really matter (in most cases) if your e-mail is delayed by 10 to 20 minutes? Surfing the web would be prohibitively slow, but if you created a local cache of "commonly read" websites, you could certainly get some use out of it. AFAIK, the only part of the network stack that would have to be modified is the first two layers (physical and data link). Layer 3 and higher should not need significant changes.

      It's also not clear if a "single planet network" is meant to include satellites (natural and man-made). The RTT to the moon would not be too bad (at least in comparison to Mars).

    23. Re:IPv4 space by skiingyac · · Score: 1

      I would agree that the round-trip time would probably be the biggest issue At least until using subspace channels becomes more affordable
  19. You are here -- by Rastignac · · Score: 1, Funny

    --> 127.0.0.1

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  20. Dragons? by Marbleless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How boring our world has become.

    Old maps used to claim "Here be dragons", but today it is "Unallocated blocks".

    Where has the mystery gone? ;)

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    1. Re:Dragons? by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 1

      Mandatory rebuttal, even though I know it was a joke.

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    2. Re:Dragons? by Tired_Blood · · Score: 1
      How boring our world has become.
      Old maps used to claim "Here be dragons", but today it is "Unallocated blocks".
      Where has the mystery gone? ;)
      Oh, I don't know about that. With dragons, there is no mystery - it's just dragons.

      But with unallocated blocks ... well, there's really no limit to what those might someday become! Perhaps they'll be your beloved dragons? Who knows?

      And before you dismiss them, unallocated blocks can be spooky and scary. Personally, I might not fear them but I certainly respect them: uninitialized data has hurt me in the past (you rarely know what is lurking inside them). :)
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    3. Re:Dragons? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Old maps used to claim "Here be dragons", but today it is "Unallocated blocks".

      Where has the mystery gone? ;)

      The dragons took it with them...
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  21. So why by dattaway · · Score: 3, Funny

    does a company like Halliburton get a whole square? Are they planning to invade others?

  22. Netcraft map of the .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    I recall Netcraft produced a map of the Internet. Anyone know where it can still be found.

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    1. Re:Netcraft map of the .. by Ulysses_S_Grant · · Score: 1

      A little while ago I saved this map of the internet. Mainly so I could say, "Yeah...I just downloaded the internet." http://www.mizzou.edu/~agm257/theinternet.pdf Is that what you're looking for?

  23. Man (22) lost in 'Related searches' detour by Sigg3.net · · Score: 0

    This is nice for when you get lost. It can be hard finding your way back to the work you were doing, when UserFriendly pops up in related searches.

  24. Type of fractal... by jdb2 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    That's a Peano Curve if anyone wants to know. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve

    1. Re:Type of fractal... by jdb2 · · Score: 1

      Of course Hilbert curves form a subset of Peano curves.

  25. Use Domains+Web Sites, instead of IPs? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although a map of the IP address space is probably more interesting and informative, something that was based on the distribution of domain names might be more appealing to a non-technical audience; perhaps something showing the relative size of various sites beneath each TLD, with some factor based on popularity and grouped by semantic distance and interlinking.

    E.g., so you'd end up with something that had big regions for the major TLDs, and then within them you'd have semantically related regions (sites that are related based on keywords or link to each other heavily). The base unit could be sites, and their size would be proportional to their number of publicly-accessible pages times a 'popularity factor.' Maybe you could extract some of the popularity information from Google (not that they'd probably like you hitting them with a lot of scripted searches).

    I think it would be neat, particularly if you ended up with something that showed such locales as the Spamblog Ghetto, Fortress Corporate America, and, of course, the Porn District.

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    1. Re:Use Domains+Web Sites, instead of IPs? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Porn District? We'd lose a large level of detail since that'd take up a majority of the poster. ;p

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  26. Someone you've never heard of by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    I was curious about the "BB&N" who had the 4 and 8 nets (how binary!!). Turns out they're described here
    One of their guys wrote "[IEN-74] Sequence Number Arithmetic - William W. Plummer, BB&N Inc, September 1978", which is referenced by [RFC 1982] Serial Number Arithmetic.

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    1. Re:Someone you've never heard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They invented the '@' for emails for crying out loud. They can have any block they want :)

    2. Re:Someone you've never heard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're both dense. The grandparent for not knowing who Bolt, Barenak and Newman are and you for not having the faintest clue what roll they had in creating the internet. Go away and read some history. Get a copy of Where Wizards Stay Up Late.

  27. Hilbert curve by fbonnet · · Score: 2, Informative

    FYI he uses a Hilbert curve to map the IPv4 space on a square. This is simply brilliant, elegant and beautiful, clearly the best map of the Net I've seen in years. I love how the range of Multicast IPs renders as a square.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_curve

  28. Why was 192 picked as private? by us7892 · · Score: 1

    Was the choice of 192 as private based on something? Or was it just picked pretty much out of a hat based on what was remaining...

    Just wondering...

    1. Re:Why was 192 picked as private? by rednuhter · · Score: 3, Informative

      in binary 192 is 11000000
      so with bit masking it makes sense.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_mask

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    2. Re:Why was 192 picked as private? by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 1

      192 = 128 + 64 = 11000000 in binary

    3. Re:Why was 192 picked as private? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      192 = 128*1.5 or 128 + 64

      i.e. while not strictly a power of two, it is closely related to one.

      More specifically, the bit pattern for 192 is a nice clean 11000000

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    4. Re:Why was 192 picked as private? by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1

      it's not. it's (from rfc1918)

                10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix)
                172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix)
                192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)

    5. Re:Why was 192 picked as private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Partially at least.

  29. One Factor by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In reality, the security of the girlfriend system is hardware-based; it requires the presence of a specialized dongle.

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    1. Re:One Factor by snarkth · · Score: 1

      presence of a specialized and expensive dongle.

        There, fixed that fer ya ;-)

        snarkth

  30. DEC?? I think not by Necron69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have news for this guy. DEC (net 15) hasn't existed in nearly a decade, and HP and Compaq merged like four years ago. So Nets 15 & 16 should be labeled "HP".

    All your IP space belong to us!!! Bwahahahaaaaaa!!!

    - Necron69

    1. Re:DEC?? I think not by cortana · · Score: 1

      Someone should tell IANA about that...

  31. A good reason to move to IPv6 by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't it kind of sad that the entire continent of Africa gets the same number of IP addresses that Prudential, an insurance company gets?

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    1. Re:A good reason to move to IPv6 by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      How many Internet-connected computers are in Africa? How many in Prudential?

    2. Re:A good reason to move to IPv6 by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      Prudential used to have several large data centers scattered throughout the US (my father used to work at one), but I don't know how many are left. They had a large IT department, though.

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    3. Re:A good reason to move to IPv6 by OriginalArlen · · Score: 1

      Just like any other organisation, the national governments, commercial and other entities within Africa can get just as much IP space as they need. Justify your request and it will be granted. It's really very simple. Google for (eg) "AFNIC address request justify policy" (not checked that, might need tweaking.)

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    4. Re:A good reason to move to IPv6 by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Latecomers to the internet, like Harvard and Africa, have their networks structured such that they don't need huge numbers of IP addresses. When MIT originally set up their network, their routing was done by IP address block, so the routers could all decide where to send packets based on a single octet. So, if you have one computer in a location without any other computers, it gets 65536 addresses. Furthermore, the original routing between sites was simplified greatly by having the first octet dictate which site would get the traffic, so it would have been very difficult to give MIT or Federated less than 16777216 addresses, because traffic for all of those addresses would be routed through a single link to the rest of the internet.

      These days, any infrastructure device is perfectly capable of looking up addresses in a table, and can discover and store the mappings for your whole network with no trouble at all. With this sort of hardware (which is all that's still available), each computer only needs one address. When there are 16 million computers in Africa on the internet, they can have more addresses. For that matter, MIT would give up most of their addresses if there was a shortage; last time I checked, only 18.*.0.* was generally used.

      The real reason to go to IPv6 is not that there aren't enough addresses for everybody, but rather that there aren't enough addresses to not have to worry about allocation. With IPv6, every NIC that'll ever be created can have its own IP address (based on its MAC), plus addresses it gets by being connected through a router, private addresses, loopback, and so forth. There are useful effects of having so many addresses total that you can assign large spaces of them for purposes other than just having an address for each device on the internet.

    5. Re:A good reason to move to IPv6 by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. It depends on whether Pru uses more addresses than Africa. My understanding is that Africa is not, currently, a high-internet-using continent -- besides Ghana, maybe.

      Oh, no wait I understand you now, you are saying exactly what I'm saying. You're saying that the sad part is that Pru uses more internet addresses than all of Africa. If that's your point then I agree with you. Well, again, maybe maybe not: maybe Africa is just as well off without the internet. I'm not sure.

  32. IPv6 is there too... by scsirob · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just float your mouse over the picture and he will tell you what the IPv6 version looks like.

    Even more clever, and sooooo right ;-)

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    1. Re:IPv6 is there too... by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 1

      Can you tell me what the default desktop in XP looks like? is it all green? (I'm assuming based on the picture where green = unassigned)

    2. Re:IPv6 is there too... by k_187 · · Score: 1

      Its a picture of a large grassy field. The green areas are supposed to be grass on the map I believe.

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  33. Add another link by anticypher · · Score: 1

    Damn, just when I had almost made it through 2006 without adding a new webcomic link to my bookmarks. This afternoon is going to be shot to pieces checking the archives.

    the AC

    He needs to show the reserved Class E block as such (the whole upper right corner), as well as many other reserved blocks. With corrections/suggestions coming in from /. and other sources, he could have a nice map soon enough. Pretty enough to buy a copy or two

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  34. Tubes? by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't see any of the tubes

  35. 0---- by Swimport · · Score: 1

    You are Here. 0-----

  36. 47.x.x.x belongs to Nortel by hgavin · · Score: 1

    It's labelled as Bell North on the diagram, probably because their R&D used to be called Bell Northern Research, but they're Nortel now.

  37. Where Y'At? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Giant wall poster? Somone make a simple CGI that plots IP# arguments clearly on that map. So when I want to know "where someone is" when I have their IP#, I can see on the map. And keep a log of IP#s, and plot them all, maybe in increasing colors by timestamp or sequence.

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    1. Re:Where Y'At? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    2. Re:Where Y'At? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Most of the time, Slashdot sucks.

      But when it works, it rules!

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  38. Found an error... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    16 isn't DEC, its HP (along with 15). That whole "compaq buying DEC and Tandem and hp buying Compaq" thing ended DEC a long time ago.

  39. oblig. by Bugs42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Almost makes me want to install Linux on my girlfriend, just so I can try that. You know, of course, what this means.

    Slashdotter1: Dude, I met the most awesome girl last night! She's hot, funny, smart, AND a gamer!

    Slashdotter2: Yeah, but can she run Linux?
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    1. Re:oblig. by Rheingold · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now imagine a whole clone army of Natalie Portmans running Linux, serving up hot grits.

      Wow, that was so 2000.

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    2. Re:oblig. by dosquatch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now imagine a whole clone army of Natalie Portmans running Linux,

      So, you're suggesting we imagine a babeowulf cluster of these?

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  40. Useful by Hegh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's actually quite useful to me. Twice I've watched somebody attempt to brute-force their way into an FTP server that I run for myself (which I have since taken off of the public internet, since I realized I only use it on my LAN), and now I know that the attacks which came from 61/8 and 62/8 are in Asia and Europe, respectively (therefore I don't have to worry about blocking those entire IP ranges, since if my FTP server were public again, I would never be in one of those ranges trying to get in). Anybody else have a practical use for this?

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    1. Re:Useful by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Funny that you mention that, it made me look at my FTP server log for the last 3 days, and I got 2 asian IPs, 3 europeeans and 1 north american.

      And all trying to crack into account 'Administrator' as I don't have such an account but rather have 'root' as an account with all disks shared and read, write and delete permissions on.

      Oh and my IP is 62.147.133.191 :-)

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    2. Re:Useful by Hegh · · Score: 1

      They weren't only trying to get in as Administrator, the first one must have made it through his list of passwords for that and had proceeded on to other names. I wasn't particularly worried, though, because although everything is shared, the only thing that is writable is the FTP home directory.

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  41. No Microsoft? by anss123 · · Score: 1

    Seems most tech companies have a large chuck of that map, except the most greedy one of all :P

    1. Re:No Microsoft? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      I have the impression that the companies that were in early on the internet managed to get a lot of IP space for themselves (before everybody else realized the problems and unnecessity of that later on). Probably Microsoft was late for supper as usual.

      That is not to say that several of these companies managed to screw up big time on the way and are now minor players. That makes this map actually a historical map of the situation at the end of the 80's.

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  42. Equality by Elixon · · Score: 1

    That small red point in the upper-left corner of the map... is there a label "China" attached to it?

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  43. Q: IP addresses and domains by harmonica · · Score: 1

    Not exactly a direct reply to parent, but is there a simple way to get mappings from domains to IP address space--in bulk? There is the RIPE DB for the IP space and Whois lets you do single queries on domains, but is there some sort of publicly available list of valid domains with or without IP addresses belonging to them?

  44. Online Toasters by EngrBohn · · Score: 1

    Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?

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  45. private ranges all marked differently? by arete · · Score: 1

    Why are the three IPs with private ranges all marked differently? All of 10. and all of 172. are private...

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    1. Re:private ranges all marked differently? by AFCArchvile · · Score: 2, Informative

      The private, nonroutable IP ranges, according to RFC 1918 are:
      10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix)
      172.16.0.0 to 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix)
      192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)

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  46. Internet map from Wikipedia by Inyu · · Score: 2, Informative
    THE MAP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Internet_map_10 24.jpg

    AUTHOR'S NOTE:

    I created this small partial map of the Internet from the 2005-01-15 data found here using a slightly different rendering technique than was used to generate the maps there. Each line is drawn between two nodes, representing two IP addresses. The length of the lines are indicative of the delay between those two nodes. This graph represents less than 30% of the Class C networks reachable by the data collection program in early 2005. Lines are color-coded according to their corresponding RFC 1918 allocation as follows:

    • Dark blue: net, ca, us
    • Green: com, org
    • Red: mil, gov, edu
    • Yellow: jp, cn, tw, au de
    • Magenta: uk, it, pl, fr
    • Blue-green: br, kr, nl
    • White: unknown

    Big BIG HUGE (probably unusable in articles) version can be found at Image:Internet map 4096.png.

  47. DNS? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Informative

    is there a simple way to get mappings from domains to IP address space--in bulk?

    Erm, I don't know of a publicly-available list, but it seems like it would be pretty easy to generate one by just using DNS queries.

    What you're asking for is pretty much the function of the DNS system, after all. You could easily write a script that took a list of domain names and resolved them to IP addresses -- you'd just want to make sure that your upstream DNS provider didn't block you for being abusive or for looking too much like a DDoS.

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    1. Re:DNS? by kayditty · · Score: 1

      why would an attack from a single host look like a distributed denial of service attack? and, more importantly, why the hell would you use an "upstream DNS provider," unless your ISP transparently proxied everything 53/udp outbound to its local server?

    2. Re:DNS? by harmonica · · Score: 1

      You're right, but that's not what I meant, I described it incorrectly. I mean blocks of domains, like *.nyu.edu with the corresponding IP address ranges 44.123/16 and 37.220/16 (these numbers made up by myself).

      Even getting a complete list of second level domain names without the IP addresses is hard, isn't it?

  48. IPs are assigned, not sold by stefanb · · Score: 1
    The upper left section shows the blocks sold directly to corporations and governments in the 1990's before the RIRs took over allocation.

    IP addresses were never sold, and they are not property. In the days before IANA, there wasn't even a few associated with getting an address assignment. Nowadays, you need to become a member of a Regional Internet Registry (RIR) to directly receive addresses through them, but more commonly, you get your IPs from your ISP.

    Considering that there are a number of sleaseballs that want to get IP address assignments to be recognized as property, and be able to trade in them, the distinction is important. Considering the money making schemes we now see around domain names, I don't want to think about what those people would do to connectivity if they'd managed to get that established in court.

  49. Arg. Not free. by BeanThere · · Score: 1

    > Since they didn't they should be happy with what they have been given for free.

    Please stop spreading this ignorance, which I hear over and over. The "third world" wasn't "given" anything - every country has paid fully for its own bit of the network, its own infrastructure, and pays fully for its own international connectivity. They even pay for the IPs. (In fact, third-world countries pay hugely disproportionately more for international traffic routed through the US, but that's another issue.) The R&D costs for the underlying technologies have been miniscule compared to the actual infrastructure development and maintenance costs. China and India and every other country weren't "given" the Internet, they worked hard to make enough money via trade/enterprise to pay for and build it themselves.

    1. Re:Arg. Not free. by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      "The R&D costs for the underlying technologies have been miniscule compared to the actual infrastructure development and maintenance costs. China and India and every other country weren't "given" the Internet, they worked hard to make enough money via trade/enterprise to pay for and build it themselves."

      you're kidding. Decades of research is miniscule huh? they were given the technology for free and invested nothing in its development. By your logic, if i were to network my apartment, i was not given the tech to use the network because i paid for the hardware. Similarly, europeans were not given the tech for gunpowder or the compass because they paid for the components that made the gunpowder and compasses they used.

      we are talking about technology i.e. knowledge not the physical cabling.

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    2. Re:Arg. Not free. by Identifiable+Coward · · Score: 1

      "The R&D costs for the underlying technologies have been miniscule compared to the actual infrastructure development and maintenance costs. China and India and every other country weren't "given" the Internet, they worked hard to make enough money via trade/enterprise to pay for and build it themselves."

      you're kidding. Decades of research is miniscule huh?
      I think you underestimate the cost of laying under-sea fibre - about $50,000 per km.

      Assuming $100,000 as a yearly salary you can buy about 2500 man-years of research for the cost of link across a decent size ocean.
    3. Re:Arg. Not free. by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      yeah? say all the engineers worked for only $60,000 (this is very little) a year for roughly 30 years. If it were only one guy, thats 1,800,000. Lets say just for fun the US military had 1000 folks working at this rate (in reality it is probably more, but i am making broad generalizations everywhere in this example)

      thats $1,800,000,000

      Assuming what you said was true,
      us-japan cable that crosses the pacific is 21,000 km
      assuming it was really $50,000 per km, thats 1,050,000,000 for a transpacific link.

      my massive understatement above of only 1000 guys working at only 60k/yr for 30 years is almost double that. In reality I'm sure the pentagon spent tens of billions on the net. So, yes, it is a free hand out.

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    4. Re:Arg. Not free. by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      > In reality I'm sure the pentagon spent tens of billions on the net

      I very much doubt it comes even remotely close to this, but unless we can get actual figures then this debate will just be either of us making claims we can't back up with numbers.

      You can't just look at the cost of undersea links, I'm sure that tens if not hundreds of billions have been invested by local companies and individuals etc. all over the world in terrestrial Internet infrastructure.

      BTW the use of undersea fiber as an example is interesting in that the UK developed fiber optics. By your arguments, this was a "free handout" to the United States.

  50. Girl-naught. by NRAdude · · Score: 0

    In reality, the security of the girlfriend system is hardware-based; it requires the presence of a specialized dongle.

    Woah there, comrade. Let's back-up to red-square 1. He referred to his girl "friend" as the one ascribed to the almighty sudo for "root." So given the girlfriend is root, what makes you think she hasn't already sandboxed his environment within moments of holding that title of nobility? He thinks he's sitting in a chair and watching television, when in fact it's just an artificial reality to conceal the re-organization of his ${HOME}? Who says the girlfriend(root) just didn't tunnel the request to a process in a VM? Given how there is such a cold response after his instance of "sudo", it's evidence of an exception in an inferior process. Check those symbolic links and /proc irregularities. Hell, he wouldn't even know what hit him. He could turn off the light in the artificial world, but in the real world the light is always-on -- killing his electricity bill! Someone warn the poor sod of any plants moving about the corners of his domicile; similar to my circumstances, the alleged "ferns" could be the agents of the "girlfriend" merging into the new reality in the image of their VM. I find the cohorts will take the image of a non-living thing. I could almost swear the rocks were talking to me, like they had somthing to say. Try to over-water the plants, hurry!

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  51. Great by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

    Great work... but why did he single out SuicideGirls??

    Oh...

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  52. Various Registrars by snarkth · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that be "Here Be Dragons"?

    snarkth

  53. Let's bomb 216.0.0.0/8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tee hee hee...

  54. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, that's pretty lame. As is the rest of his comic.

  55. other intesting things by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
    Xerox and Apple have whole A's... Microsoft isn't on the MAP!! Halliburton has a whole A? WTF.. gives conspiracy nuts a lot more credence! What about that "localhost" group... we should invade them for their IP. Note Ford has a whole class A, the only automaker... HP and IBM do too, but not SUN, or NEC....

    Boy in a funny way you can see who planned for the future with innovation and who didn't.

    he got slashdot and digg on there too!

  56. The Swamp and Class E space by ScottLeibrand · · Score: 1

    You should rename "Various Registrars" to The Swamp, with accompanying artwork. Also, the big green pasture up at the top right is Class E space. That might be a good place for the "Here be dragons" section, as attempting to allocate that space for unicast use would run into lots of problems, some of which I'm sure we haven't thought of yet.