If that means we have to temporarily suspend some of our rights to ensure our survivial, then I'm all for it.
That makes you a coward and a far worse threat to this country than any terrorist organization. You have already surrendered to them unconditionally, coward.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we are at war. We certainly didn't declare it, and we could argue for the rest of our lives about who started it, but the simple fact is there is a growing number of people who think it is their divine destiny to destroy western civilization as we know it and they'll use any and all means available to them, including exploiting our own conceits.
Exactly.
Those people are known as Christian fundamentalists.
Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who refers to a presidential administration as a "regime".
You can't take people seriously because you have a poor vocabulary? WTF dude, seriously.
regime also régime Audio pronunciation of "regime" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-zhm, r-) n.
1a. A form of government: a fascist regime. 1b. A government in power; administration: suffered under the new regime. 2. A prevailing social system or pattern. 3. The period during which a particular administration or system prevails. 4. A regulated system, as of diet and exercise; a regimen.
I will admit sometimes in my quiet moments I wonder where my less intrusive, small government minded conservative party went and when it will be coming back..
It never existed. The richest of the rich benefitted form no government involvement on how bad they fucked people over and so they pretended it was about "less intrusive small government". Now that they benefit more from abusing the power of big government against the people it's here until it actually starts working for the benefit of the people. Don't hold your breath. It's been well over 30 years now.
You aren't deluded enough to believe that the Republican party actually ever stood for anything worthwhile are you? How stupid and naive are you fucking people. It's only been this way for the last...gee....entirety of human history.
So you are correct. And it seems like we agree on what the "separation of church and state" is used for. I don't agree that it's OK to make religious people second-class citizens.
If you were being honest and this was your concern, then there is nothing for you to have an issue with.
The fact is that religious nutjob extremists are fighting tooth and nail to shove their religion down other people's throats and decent Americans are trying to prevent that is what is happening here. Keep your religion to yourself and out of my god damned laws and the entire problem disappears completely.
The bald faced deceit practiced by these supposedly "moral" douchebags by whining about how they're being attacked when they are the aggressors is truly illustrative of how fucked up their moral compasses are. It's a good thing that the founding fathers did have such intimate experience of the evil of your sort as to go out of their way to try and neuter you from the start. This country would never have made it as far as it has if that hadn't been such a deeply fundamental part of the system they created.
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. You country provides you with a higher standard of living and more personal freedoms than any nation in history, and all you can do is bitch, complain, and talk about starting a revolution.
Why not put a bullet through your own cowardly treasonous head? When the government is actively working to remove these personal freedoms you are wholeheartedly supporting it by whining like a little bitch that things used to be better.
It's cowards like you who appeased the fascists last time they rolled around. It's cowards like you who have supported it this time around.
Seriously go fuck yourself you diseased piece of shit.
If somebody were to take my handwriting and create a font out of it, and then try to sell it, I'd laugh. It would make my day, in a truly hilarious way. $DEITY knows, I have enough trouble reading my handwriting; the thought of people deliberately mimicking it to try to make a buck is so ridiculous... words fail me.
The only way anybody would be dumb enough to try it with my handwriting would to use it as encryption;-)
but it does not take away the "property" in this case. I could take OpenBSD and make a closed-source package, call it my own property and sell it, then sue anyone who pirates it.
True enough, still none of that would "threaten" it.
To be enlightened one must know everything..
"Make the cheque out to "Theo de Raadt", since I cannot cash cheques made out to "OpenBSD"."
I don't think you need to know everything. As far as my post, I use it, so sending them money (which I've done to buy CDs and T shirts) is in my best interest. Theo may well spend a lot of the money on crack and hookers but he still seems to get the job done well so I'm not bothered by that. YMMV.
And Democrats wonder why no one takes them seriously...
And people with any sort of intelligence wonder why asshats don't understand that saying, "I hate tomatoes" is different than saying, "Trees are purple".
The only problem left then is the large error logs created by dictionary attacks, which can be dealt with in other ways.
One "other way" if your only spare drive is way too fucking big for what you use it for and you want a quick and dirty solution on your home firewall;-)
If the project maintainers can't afford to keep working on it I'm sure other people would jump at the opportunity.
Why wait, if they're qualified? (I'm not qualified)
But I don't see how anyone outside the OpenBSD community should feel obligated to contribute cash. Its not like the IP is in danger yet.
I don't see it as a question of obligation, more one of enlightened self interest. The IP is non existant in any sort of "property" sense. Maybe you should read the license. The cohesion of the team who has coalesced around it and put out software that was so good as to be incorporated into so many things you most likely interact with on a daily basis is what's in danger.
Plain old fashioned bigotry. It's one thing not to donate to OpenBSD because you don't use it, but it crosses the boundaries of bad taste when they get mad at OTHER people for donating. If you're pissed that the money is going to OpenBSD because it isn't Linux, or under the GPL, then you're a bigot. If you're pissed because you think Mozilla should only help "your community", then you're a bigot.
Alternatively, if you are pissed that you made a "donation" and now think that means it was an "investment" then you're just dumb.
A Not for Profit is a company setup to not generate profits. They qualify as tax exempt but not as a charity for tax deductions. Anything other than a 501(c)3 organization. USPS would be a not for profit org.
Credit Unions also ( at least in general if not absolutely) are Not For Profits. Which means if you work there and it's doing well, you get a lot of "free lunches". (Quoted merely to preemtively address TANSTAAFL).
Amusingly enough I'm wearing my new OpenBSD T shirt that came in the mail today and looking at the stickers that came with the CD while deciding when to spend the ten minutes it takes to install it plus the 5 minutes to deal with any changes I need to make to my firewall rules in case of any format changes. (Right, double both of those for CARP) before forgetting about it for another year while it keeps me safe. If it didn't work so well and cleanly, I'd probably know it better by now. It's been a more or less annual tradition for the last ten years;-)
Nonsense. It is now quite clear that you indeed have not bothered to understand the Bible.
No, I understand it just fine. There are good messages to be taken from it but as soon as you throw in the whole religious nonsense you turn it into a tool of exploitation. Look at history and tell me that's not overwhelmingly the case.
People with your worldview, especially your disdain for the Bible and anybody who believes in its teachings, have been murdering the "religious" for millenia.
Laughable. The teachings I'm fine with. It's the use of the religious parts that I have a problem with. Believe what you will. Keep it out of my laws. People with my attitudes have never killed or even persecuted the religious. It's always the other way around. For the past 1800 years Christians have ruled western society and it was brutal. America was founded largely as a rejection of that abysmally failed system.
Agreed. And your ideology appears to be as absolute as anyone else's, based on your rhetoric here.
Hardly. My ideology is live and let live. When groups of people push me too far I stand up for myself. Defending yourself from vicious attacks is not aggression and it is not an absolutist philosophy. If the Christofascist nutjobs back off and get out of other people's business, then I don't care in the least what sort of fairy tales help them deal with their lives.
In any case, if the specific details don't matter, why are you singling out the Bible? Why don't you go on a similar rant about the Koran, and Muhammed, and Islam? Or are we to simply assume you mean to include Islam among the religions you reject, along with the intelligence and/or sincerity of its adherents?
I don't live in an Islamic country and my freedoms are not directly under attack by Muslims. I live in a country that stood head and shoulders above the rest when it was founded largely on the principle that religion has no place in the government of a free society. My rights and freedoms *are* directly under a vicious assault by (so called) *Christians* who despise the fundamental basis of this nation and are actively seeking to destroy it.
Really? You honestly believe any Pope -- never mind the one installed at the time of Pol Pot -- was just as murderous (or, hey, within an order of magnitude) as Pol Pot?
The Catholic Church has had nearly 2000 years in which it has engaged in and promoted countless atrocities. It continues to this day to promote the spread of disease in Africa and the continuance of the cycle of poverty through their atrociously immoral policies toward condoms, birth control and education. As long as they "Praise Jesus" while they're doing it it's fine. Great. Real solid morals there, Sparky. Don't even bother with the whole "if they weren't fuckin' they wouldn't be dyin'" immoral holier than thou bullshit. I live in reality. So dies everybody else. When pushing an extremist "morality" on others which isn't lived up to by the ones pushing it that leads to greater harm, you are not on the side of morality or even basic decency. That's a fact in reality. Deal with it rather than live in a deluded fantasy.
Or, perhaps they possess a quality you've never even considered: humility.
Humility has nothing to do with anything we're discussing. If you presuppose that it was written by god, then you would have a point. I never made that irrational leap.
Again, I find it amazing that you actually appear to believe that you've completely internalized a huge, thousands-year-old text to the point that you can completely dismiss its practicality and handwave its well-documented status (as the most-read book in history) and effects (the basis for the most successful civilizations in history), as well as anyone who claims to have read it but admitted they don't fully understand it.
Practicality? Wow, a few good moral standards that didn't even originate there. Some history, and a lot of nonsense that was put there by bi
! If someone dumps on your property, you can sue for the damages. If someone leaches onto your property, you can sue. If someone emits some gas that kills a bird on my land, then, that's damages as well.
All of which are government solutions, *not* market solutions. This is due to the *fact* that the market does not address these sorts of things at all well.
That would be why it is possible to sue for these things since it was recognized long ago (by sane people anyhow) that the market fails miserably at many things.
Bible: Thou shalt not kill Sig Murder a republican. Where's the mystery? The only time killing was OK in the Bible was when God said so (and I don't want to get into that discussion right now, I've got enough on my hands with the present topic). So - either what I said about you and the Bible originally was true, or God told you to kill Republicans.
Well, point me to where I claimed to be a Christian or a Jew. If it were really as simple as you try to make it sound, then we certainly wouldn't be in Iraq right now killing people based on bearing false witness against our neighbor now would we? Unless, of course, you agree that there is no such thing possible as a Christian Republican. That's pretty obviously true as well.
For me it's a simple matter of self defense. I am not a religious extremist so I, my freedom, and my country are under a massive attack. It's a simple thing known as self defense. Are you saying you'd sit and humbly watch as somebody came into your house stole all your stuff and raped and murdered your family? Or would you defend yourself?
Relevance? Atheism (or, at least, a very strong denial of the Judeo-Christian God) killed what, maybe 100 million people in the 20th Century alone?
The relevance is the simple fact that it's laughable to claim any sort of consistent morality based on the bible. Neither atheism nor denial of any gods caused anything of the sort. Blind adherance to ideology did. Of course when you call it that, all religious murders fall right into the same bucket. It doesn't matter whether you're worshipping a magical fairy man in the sky or the state. As soon as you claim some srt of absolutism to your ideology, then it really doesn't matter what the specific details are. Pol Pot or the Pope. From the perspective of one who isn't part of their club, there isn't much to choose between them.
Amazing, given how few people who spend their whole lives studying it would ever make the claim that they "understood it just fine".
That's because they insist on assuming it's both consistent and divinely inspired. Once you lose those baseless assumptions, there's not really much confusing about it.
(Much of which can be inferred from the Bible texts themselves anyway.)
Hardly. Point me to the chapter about how the various groups of Bishops picked certain books to claim as "god's word" to use against their rivals for control of the empire in order to declare them heretics and murder them. Oh wait, that's not there. It would call the entire thing into question.
That isn't "religious nonsense", unless you count atheism and Communism as "religion";
Sure it is. What else do you call magic fairy men in the sky? Communism as practiced in the USSR was a religion. That's why it was able to be so fucking evil. Worship of the state and the ideology is no different than magic invisible super friends. Atheism is nothing of the sort. Failure to accept your *particular* flavor of delusion does not a religion make.
and, at least in the New Testament, it is pretty clear how the Biblical (Christian) religion had progressed to the point where non-violence was not only preached, it was suffered for by its adherents.
Sure, it was preached. To the little people so they would accept their place at the bottom and not overthrow the scum preaching that at them. You might want to actually look a little deeper at the history. Christians were running the empire for a long long time.
Quite the opposite, by my understanding. Not only does it explicitly deny the "divinity" (and thus infallibility) of any human, animal, plant, or other material "royalty" (usually a King; these days a committee, such as a government or the UN), most every tyrannical government in history has preferred to prevent its people from being able to both read and understand the Bible.
But what it does do is tell people that they must put up with whatever crap they're dealt in this life and it will be made up in the next. Very nice for those in power. You know, the ones who picked which writings would be *The Word of God* and which would be heretical and for which you could be tortured and murdered for promoting even though they have every bit as much claim to be part of the book as the rest.
Certainly the rulers have always preferred to be able to tell people what the book said. Heck, just look at the pathetic state of "Christianity" in America. Mega churches and TV evangilists consolidating power by being the ones to tell people what it says and a bunch of evil asshats claiming to be Christian without even reading the freaking book.
I mean seriously look at the religious right. "We hate fucking faggots more than anything" Yet they continually vote for the party of hyper capitalism which is the primary driving force behind the liberalization of society. So while they sit leaching off of my tax dollars, they then attack the very things they voted for and claim to be moral.
Sick delusion is what it is and it's why our society is so fucked up right now.
You really don't see how forcing your point of view on others is as wrong as others forcing theirs on you. Typical democrat.
That's really amusing. I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. Nor have I tried to force my views on anybody. Just because I hate Republicans doesn't make me a Democrat. It makes me a patriot at this point. If you really honestly deep in your heart support torture, complete authoritarian government with no oversite, the destruction of the bill of rights and the replacement of the constitution with a fascist theocracy ( which is *exactly* what you support if you're still a Republican at this point in the game) then standing up against you is purely patriotic. it has nothing to do with imposing my will on you; merely preventing you from doing so to me. At least have the courage to admit what you are.
Judging by your sig, you're not one to talk about what's in the Bible. You either haven't read it, haven't understood it, or just don't care.
So all that genocide wasn't really there?
I read it and understood it just fine. I also read the history of how it came to be. There are certainly some good mesages you can pull from among the bad and constradictory ones. Leave out the whole religious nonsense that has people killing each other over trivial interpretations and it might have some real value. Mostly though it was designed to keep the masses down and the rulers on top.
Of course, you knew all that though. Otherwise why you would question my knowledge is a mystery in itself.
Turning the other cheek only goes so far when the people who declared war on you want to destroy everything that made this country great.
Caveat: imho Democrats aren't off the hook either, esp. dinos like Lieberman. Laws to control the creation of content and not just the sale thereof? Incredible.
Totally agreed. Were there not a group so much worse, they'd be getting my vitriol, and most likely will if they ever get back into power.
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Now *that* is the funniest fucking thing I've heard in a long time.
If that means we have to temporarily suspend some of our rights to ensure our survivial, then I'm all for it.
That makes you a coward and a far worse threat to this country than any terrorist organization.
You have already surrendered to them unconditionally, coward.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we are at war. We certainly didn't declare it, and we could argue for the rest of our lives about who started it, but the simple fact is there is a growing number of people who think it is their divine destiny to destroy western civilization as we know it and they'll use any and all means available to them, including exploiting our own conceits.
Exactly.
Those people are known as Christian fundamentalists.
Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who refers to a presidential administration as a "regime".
You can't take people seriously because you have a poor vocabulary?
WTF dude, seriously.
regime also régime Audio pronunciation of "regime" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-zhm, r-)
n.
1a. A form of government: a fascist regime.
1b. A government in power; administration: suffered under the new regime.
2. A prevailing social system or pattern.
3. The period during which a particular administration or system prevails.
4. A regulated system, as of diet and exercise; a regimen.
I hate to be the lone decenter here and I know that my karma will pay for my opinions, but how has this affected any of you?
And how did the holocaust affect you?
This has no relevance to Godwin's law, it is a perfect illustration of exactly how stupid your argument is.
I will admit sometimes in my quiet moments I wonder where my less intrusive, small government minded conservative party went and when it will be coming back..
It never existed. The richest of the rich benefitted form no government involvement on how bad they fucked people over and so they pretended it was about "less intrusive small government".
Now that they benefit more from abusing the power of big government against the people it's here until it actually starts working for the benefit of the people.
Don't hold your breath.
It's been well over 30 years now.
You aren't deluded enough to believe that the Republican party actually ever stood for anything worthwhile are you?
How stupid and naive are you fucking people. It's only been this way for the last...gee....entirety of human history.
So you are correct. And it seems like we agree on what the "separation of church and state" is used for. I don't agree that it's OK to make religious people second-class citizens.
If you were being honest and this was your concern, then there is nothing for you to have an issue with.
The fact is that religious nutjob extremists are fighting tooth and nail to shove their religion down other people's throats and decent Americans are trying to prevent that is what is happening here.
Keep your religion to yourself and out of my god damned laws and the entire problem disappears completely.
The bald faced deceit practiced by these supposedly "moral" douchebags by whining about how they're being attacked when they are the aggressors is truly illustrative of how fucked up their moral compasses are. It's a good thing that the founding fathers did have such intimate experience of the evil of your sort as to go out of their way to try and neuter you from the start. This country would never have made it as far as it has if that hadn't been such a deeply fundamental part of the system they created.
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. You country provides you with a higher standard of living and more personal freedoms than any nation in history, and all you can do is bitch, complain, and talk about starting a revolution.
Why not put a bullet through your own cowardly treasonous head?
When the government is actively working to remove these personal freedoms you are wholeheartedly supporting it by whining like a little bitch that things used to be better.
It's cowards like you who appeased the fascists last time they rolled around.
It's cowards like you who have supported it this time around.
Seriously go fuck yourself you diseased piece of shit.
I can state without a shadow of a doubt, it's an absolute fact that I have two testicles.
You're only saying that because you know we're not going to ask you to prove it!
The Flying Spaghetti Monster just put it there to confuse us.
Fine, I'll admit it. I'm confused:
Would it or would it not make tasty meatballs?
Yet Democrats are still urging people to MURDER people they disagree with. This is what the party of tolerance and enlightenment has come to...
Name one.
There's a long list of Republicans doing exactly that though, little troll.
If somebody were to take my handwriting and create a font out of it, and then try to sell it, I'd laugh. It would make my day, in a truly hilarious way. $DEITY knows, I have enough trouble reading my handwriting; the thought of people deliberately mimicking it to try to make a buck is so ridiculous ... words fail me.
;-)
The only way anybody would be dumb enough to try it with my handwriting would to use it as encryption
but it does not take away the "property" in this case. I could take OpenBSD and make a closed-source package, call it my own property and sell it, then sue anyone who pirates it.
;-)
True enough, still none of that would "threaten" it.
To be enlightened one must know everything..
"Make the cheque out to "Theo de Raadt", since I cannot cash cheques made out to "OpenBSD"."
I don't think you need to know everything. As far as my post, I use it, so sending them money (which I've done to buy CDs and T shirts) is in my best interest. Theo may well spend a lot of the money on crack and hookers but he still seems to get the job done well so I'm not bothered by that. YMMV.
I agree, except for one thing.
That's two things
And Democrats wonder why no one takes them seriously...
And people with any sort of intelligence wonder why asshats don't understand that saying, "I hate tomatoes" is different than saying, "Trees are purple".
The only problem left then is the large error logs created by dictionary attacks, which can be dealt with in other ways.
;-)
/dev/wd0a 194M 45.8M 139M 25% / /dev/wd0f 9.8G 2.0K 9.3G 0% /home /dev/wd0d 7.9G 294M 7.2G 4% /usr /dev/wd0e 9.8G 2.0K 9.3G 0% /usr/src /dev/wd0g 118G 9.9M 112G 0% /var
One "other way" if your only spare drive is way too fucking big for what you use it for and you want a quick and dirty solution on your home firewall
Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
I bet many FS/OSS friendly organizations would offer server space to host the OpenBSD project's content, cvs, etc.
Or already do?
If the project maintainers can't afford to keep working on it I'm sure other people would jump at the opportunity.
Why wait, if they're qualified? (I'm not qualified)
But I don't see how anyone outside the OpenBSD community should feel obligated to contribute cash. Its not like the IP is in danger yet.
I don't see it as a question of obligation, more one of enlightened self interest. The IP is non existant in any sort of "property" sense. Maybe you should read the license. The cohesion of the team who has coalesced around it and put out software that was so good as to be incorporated into so many things you most likely interact with on a daily basis is what's in danger.
Plain old fashioned bigotry. It's one thing not to donate to OpenBSD because you don't use it, but it crosses the boundaries of bad taste when they get mad at OTHER people for donating. If you're pissed that the money is going to OpenBSD because it isn't Linux, or under the GPL, then you're a bigot. If you're pissed because you think Mozilla should only help "your community", then you're a bigot.
Alternatively, if you are pissed that you made a "donation" and now think that means it was an "investment" then you're just dumb.
A Not for Profit is a company setup to not generate profits. They qualify as tax exempt but not as a charity for tax deductions. Anything other than a 501(c)3 organization. USPS would be a not for profit org.
;-)
Credit Unions also ( at least in general if not absolutely) are Not For Profits. Which means if you work there and it's doing well, you get a lot of "free lunches". (Quoted merely to preemtively address TANSTAAFL).
Amusingly enough I'm wearing my new OpenBSD T shirt that came in the mail today and looking at the stickers that came with the CD while deciding when to spend the ten minutes it takes to install it plus the 5 minutes to deal with any changes I need to make to my firewall rules in case of any format changes. (Right, double both of those for CARP) before forgetting about it for another year while it keeps me safe.
If it didn't work so well and cleanly, I'd probably know it better by now.
It's been a more or less annual tradition for the last ten years
Nonsense. It is now quite clear that you indeed have not bothered to understand the Bible.
No, I understand it just fine. There are good messages to be taken from it but as soon as you throw in the whole religious nonsense you turn it into a tool of exploitation. Look at history and tell me that's not overwhelmingly the case.
People with your worldview, especially your disdain for the Bible and anybody who believes in its teachings, have been murdering the "religious" for millenia.
Laughable. The teachings I'm fine with. It's the use of the religious parts that I have a problem with. Believe what you will. Keep it out of my laws. People with my attitudes have never killed or even persecuted the religious. It's always the other way around.
For the past 1800 years Christians have ruled western society and it was brutal. America was founded largely as a rejection of that abysmally failed system.
Agreed. And your ideology appears to be as absolute as anyone else's, based on your rhetoric here.
Hardly. My ideology is live and let live. When groups of people push me too far I stand up for myself. Defending yourself from vicious attacks is not aggression and it is not an absolutist philosophy. If the Christofascist nutjobs back off and get out of other people's business, then I don't care in the least what sort of fairy tales help them deal with their lives.
In any case, if the specific details don't matter, why are you singling out the Bible? Why don't you go on a similar rant about the Koran, and Muhammed, and Islam? Or are we to simply assume you mean to include Islam among the religions you reject, along with the intelligence and/or sincerity of its adherents?
I don't live in an Islamic country and my freedoms are not directly under attack by Muslims.
I live in a country that stood head and shoulders above the rest when it was founded largely on the principle that religion has no place in the government of a free society. My rights and freedoms *are* directly under a vicious assault by (so called) *Christians* who despise the fundamental basis of this nation and are actively seeking to destroy it.
Really? You honestly believe any Pope -- never mind the one installed at the time of Pol Pot -- was just as murderous (or, hey, within an order of magnitude) as Pol Pot?
The Catholic Church has had nearly 2000 years in which it has engaged in and promoted countless atrocities. It continues to this day to promote the spread of disease in Africa and the continuance of the cycle of poverty through their atrociously immoral policies toward condoms, birth control and education. As long as they "Praise Jesus" while they're doing it it's fine. Great. Real solid morals there, Sparky. Don't even bother with the whole "if they weren't fuckin' they wouldn't be dyin'" immoral holier than thou bullshit. I live in reality. So dies everybody else. When pushing an extremist "morality" on others which isn't lived up to by the ones pushing it that leads to greater harm, you are not on the side of morality or even basic decency. That's a fact in reality. Deal with it rather than live in a deluded fantasy.
Or, perhaps they possess a quality you've never even considered: humility.
Humility has nothing to do with anything we're discussing. If you presuppose that it was written by god, then you would have a point. I never made that irrational leap.
Again, I find it amazing that you actually appear to believe that you've completely internalized a huge, thousands-year-old text to the point that you can completely dismiss its practicality and handwave its well-documented status (as the most-read book in history) and effects (the basis for the most successful civilizations in history), as well as anyone who claims to have read it but admitted they don't fully understand it.
Practicality? Wow, a few good moral standards that didn't even originate there. Some history, and a lot of nonsense that was put there by bi
! If someone dumps on your property, you can sue for the damages. If someone leaches onto your property, you can sue. If someone emits some gas that kills a bird on my land, then, that's damages as well.
All of which are government solutions, *not* market solutions. This is due to the *fact* that the market does not address these sorts of things at all well.
That would be why it is possible to sue for these things since it was recognized long ago (by sane people anyhow) that the market fails miserably at many things.
Bible:
Thou shalt not kill
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Murder a republican.
Where's the mystery? The only time killing was OK in the Bible was when God said so (and I don't want to get into that discussion right now, I've got enough on my hands with the present topic). So - either what I said about you and the Bible originally was true, or God told you to kill Republicans.
Well, point me to where I claimed to be a Christian or a Jew.
If it were really as simple as you try to make it sound, then we certainly wouldn't be in Iraq right now killing people based on bearing false witness against our neighbor now would we?
Unless, of course, you agree that there is no such thing possible as a Christian Republican. That's pretty obviously true as well.
For me it's a simple matter of self defense. I am not a religious extremist so I, my freedom, and my country are under a massive attack. It's a simple thing known as self defense.
Are you saying you'd sit and humbly watch as somebody came into your house stole all your stuff and raped and murdered your family? Or would you defend yourself?
Relevance? Atheism (or, at least, a very strong denial of the Judeo-Christian God) killed what, maybe 100 million people in the 20th Century alone?
The relevance is the simple fact that it's laughable to claim any sort of consistent morality based on the bible.
Neither atheism nor denial of any gods caused anything of the sort. Blind adherance to ideology did. Of course when you call it that, all religious murders fall right into the same bucket.
It doesn't matter whether you're worshipping a magical fairy man in the sky or the state. As soon as you claim some srt of absolutism to your ideology, then it really doesn't matter what the specific details are.
Pol Pot or the Pope. From the perspective of one who isn't part of their club, there isn't much to choose between them.
Amazing, given how few people who spend their whole lives studying it would ever make the claim that they "understood it just fine".
That's because they insist on assuming it's both consistent and divinely inspired. Once you lose those baseless assumptions, there's not really much confusing about it.
(Much of which can be inferred from the Bible texts themselves anyway.)
Hardly. Point me to the chapter about how the various groups of Bishops picked certain books to claim as "god's word" to use against their rivals for control of the empire in order to declare them heretics and murder them. Oh wait, that's not there. It would call the entire thing into question.
That isn't "religious nonsense", unless you count atheism and Communism as "religion";
Sure it is. What else do you call magic fairy men in the sky? Communism as practiced in the USSR was a religion. That's why it was able to be so fucking evil. Worship of the state and the ideology is no different than magic invisible super friends.
Atheism is nothing of the sort. Failure to accept your *particular* flavor of delusion does not a religion make.
and, at least in the New Testament, it is pretty clear how the Biblical (Christian) religion had progressed to the point where non-violence was not only preached, it was suffered for by its adherents.
Sure, it was preached. To the little people so they would accept their place at the bottom and not overthrow the scum preaching that at them.
You might want to actually look a little deeper at the history. Christians were running the empire for a long long time.
Quite the opposite, by my understanding. Not only does it explicitly deny the "divinity" (and thus infallibility) of any human, animal, plant, or other material "royalty" (usually a King; these days a committee, such as a government or the UN), most every tyrannical government in history has preferred to prevent its people from being able to both read and understand the Bible.
But what it does do is tell people that they must put up with whatever crap they're dealt in this life and it will be made up in the next. Very nice for those in power. You know, the ones who picked which writings would be *The Word of God* and which would be heretical and for which you could be tortured and murdered for promoting even though they have every bit as much claim to be part of the book as the rest.
Certainly the rulers have always preferred to be able to tell people what the book said. Heck, just look at the pathetic state of "Christianity" in America. Mega churches and TV evangilists consolidating power by being the ones to tell people what it says and a bunch of evil asshats claiming to be Christian without even reading the freaking book.
I mean seriously look at the religious right. "We hate fucking faggots more than anything" Yet they continually vote for the party of hyper capitalism which is the primary driving force behind the liberalization of society. So while they sit leaching off of my tax dollars, they then attack the very things they voted for and claim to be moral.
Sick delusion is what it is and it's why our society is so fucked up right now.
You really don't see how forcing your point of view on others is as wrong as others forcing theirs on you. Typical democrat.
That's really amusing. I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. Nor have I tried to force my views on anybody.
Just because I hate Republicans doesn't make me a Democrat. It makes me a patriot at this point. If you really honestly deep in your heart support torture, complete authoritarian government with no oversite, the destruction of the bill of rights and the replacement of the constitution with a fascist theocracy ( which is *exactly* what you support if you're still a Republican at this point in the game) then standing up against you is purely patriotic. it has nothing to do with imposing my will on you; merely preventing you from doing so to me.
At least have the courage to admit what you are.
Judging by your sig, you're not one to talk about what's in the Bible. You either haven't read it, haven't understood it, or just don't care.
So all that genocide wasn't really there?
I read it and understood it just fine. I also read the history of how it came to be.
There are certainly some good mesages you can pull from among the bad and constradictory ones. Leave out the whole religious nonsense that has people killing each other over trivial interpretations and it might have some real value.
Mostly though it was designed to keep the masses down and the rulers on top.
Of course, you knew all that though. Otherwise why you would question my knowledge is a mystery in itself.
Turning the other cheek only goes so far when the people who declared war on you want to destroy everything that made this country great.
Caveat: imho Democrats aren't off the hook either, esp. dinos like Lieberman. Laws to control the creation of content and not just the sale thereof? Incredible.
Totally agreed.
Were there not a group so much worse, they'd be getting my vitriol, and most likely will if they ever get back into power.