I don't fear them at all. It seems that you are the only one acting out of fear.
Pre-internet, a minor could not go into an adult bookstore and by certain materials and that was okay. Now, minors can get on the net and access anything, and doesn't seem to bother you.
Nope, it doesn't bother me at all in any way. Why should it? What possible harm could come to a person from seeing dirty pictures? That's right. None! If it were possible, I'm sure you could point to studies demonstrating it?
You do know that for most of human history most people grew up in very close quarters with their entire families and children generally heard and saw their parents having sex, right? You do know that it's only very recently in histiry that this whole issue even existed, right?
So, of course I don't care . Because there is nothing to be concerned about. The onus is on you to demonstrate that there is (contrary to thousands of years of human history) before using my money to enforce some silly rules about what websites *your* daughter is allowed to visit because you have your panties in a knot over a complete non issue.
As someone who is devoutly christian and historically conservative, I would really appreciate it if you didn't lump me in with this crowd. I'm not alone. This kind of garbage is neither christian nor conservative.
Neither is the "Christian Right" Christian or conservative. You can go on now secure in the knowledge that nobody lumped you in with anybody.
Now, do us all a favor and take some of your anger about this and direct it against the people who have made the term "Christian Right" mean exactly the same as "supporter of fascist theocracy". It's really too bad that you don't like being lumped in with them, but do not waste your time or my time by whining to us about the *fact* that 'Christian Right" means ignorant hate mongering fascist freedom hating scumbag. It does mean exactly that, and it has nothing to do with "OMFGWTFBBQ the media". It has to do with the simple inescapable fact that that is what the leaders of that movement stand for wholeheartedly. Wake up and deal with reality.
Whine to the people who made this definition accurate. Whine to the people who have completely corrupted your religion and your government. It's the fact that you would rather whine that you're being lumped in with scumbags rather than do a god damned thing to demonstrate to the rest of the country and the world that there is such a thing as an American Christian who does not actively support discrimination, fascism, and theocracy. People recognizing reality are not the problem here. Psuedo-Christians are the problem in this case. Go fight against them loudly and publically. They are the ones pissing all over your religion, not me, not the OP. It's *your* religion that once again as always throughout its history is being used to promote atrocity. Deal with that fact. Do not blame others for slagging the Christian right. That is their term. If you actually are a Christian, then do something about that first. Then there wouldn't be any reason for sane people to automatically translate "Christian" to "hate mongering fascist". Currently that is necessary in most situations in this country. Deal with that fact before whining about the inevitable results of it
Don't waste your breath with whiny nonsense about how poor innocent you is being lumped in with scum. Demonstrate that this lumping is invalid. Otherwise you are doing nothing except helping them out by trying to portray sane people dealing with reality as if they were part of the problem. That's just crazy.
This rant is the typical blame the parent, not the offender bs.
It is nothing of the sort. *You* actively chose to take on the responsibility of being a parent. Now that it turns out that it actually takes work, you would rather force everybody else in the country to do your job for you.
Sorry, but it is nothing like "blame the parent instead of the offender". If we wanted to protect *your* children, then by far the best way would be to throw *you* in jail as you are statistically far more of a threat to your child than the entire internet.
As a parent I try to teach my duaghter right from wrong, but no parent can be everywhere and all times.
Of course you can't be with them at all times, but for the times you can't you'd better make sure you work harder during the times you are with her. That is the responsibility that *you* chose to undertake. Now do it instead of expecting everybody else to do it for you.
It still amazes me how little people care for each other in this world. Meaning, that I am expected to allow an endless array of material to accessed EVERYWHERE, yet if I pose a question about this access, I am quickly beaten on.
What a load of whiny ignorant crap. I care for people a great deal. This does not mean that because you are afraid of reality that my entire way of life needs to be regulated to conform to some delusional Disney reality because you are too fucking scared to deal honestly with the world and the person you chose to bring into it.
Don't you fucking dare accuse people who actually give a shit about their freedom and rights of not caring about people. You, by your decision to refuse to take responsibility for your own decisions have demonstrated your absolute lack of caring for anything except your insane desire to live in a delusiuonal fantasy world.
You are beinbg "beaten on" solely because you are supporting censorship because you are too lazy and cowardly to do your fucking job as a parent that you actively decided to take on. The world is not all pink and safe and happy. It will never be that way. Efforts to make the world a better place are welcome. Supporting totalitarianism because you're scared of reality is not welcome and it will not help in any way! Until you can come up with some idea that will: 1. Work 2. Not infringe other's rights and freedoms Then it is your responsibility to deal with your own offspring. Talking with them honestly (i.e. not "OMFGWTFBBQ it's evil" but dealing with the fact that they *will* be having sex and they almost certainly will try drugs) about sex, drugs is the only sane option you have. Fucking over the world in order to avoid your responsibility is not the way.
Wait, wait, you're *against* crawling up inside a person's body? Which side of the abortion debate are you arguing again, I've lost track...
I'm against the government doing it. Nothing to keep track of.
There are not two sides, issues are not black and white, and [Republicans are just pure evil and a threat to my side]
Umm, yeah, OK.
The claims Republicans make about what they stand for are one thing. They are debatable points. The reality is that they want to institute a fundamentalist fascist theocracy and have been working tirelessly toward that for a long time. Fantasy and reality are two different things. It's entirely possible to support the old planks of the Republican party and be a decent human being. I support many of them myself. It isn't possible to support the ectual actions of the Republican party unless you're a theocratic fascist and therefore one who despises what the constitution says.
You just need to admit that you don't care about the constitution, because it's more important to you that society be run the Right Way.
No, I want people to leave me the fuck alone and quit trying to use the government to discriminate against groups of people they hate because they're too cowardly to deal with the fact that not everybody is like them. The less "running' of society there is the bettrer for the most part. I sure as hell don't want it run the "right" way where we take people away with no oversite and torture them in third world shit holes. That's been the Republican MO for the last 30 years at least. You can keep it.
simply have no interest in your ides about morality, society, etc - I merely want to be protected from *any* whackjob who wants to impose their ideas about such things on me.
Which is exactly what I've been saying, I want to be protected from Republicans. They are far and away the worst offenders. Those were exactly the ideas about morality and society that I've been stating.
Enforcing the constitution as written would be a great way to get there from here.
I have no problem with homosexuals going and being homosexuals. I have problems with homosexuals saying "Christianity and homosexuality are compatible". If you take Christianity to be based on the Bible, that is clearly false. If whatever religion you are participating in ignores the Bible, and says homosexuality is a-ok, fine; just don't call it Christianity.
A far more honest argument would be that when you take a couple things from the old testament ignore other parts from the same chapter and then ignore most of what Jesus said then calling it Christianity is incorrect. That is what you are doing. You also after all this discussion came to make my argument for me. You are a bigot, and so you try to shift things around to justify your bigotry. It really is that simple.
As I mentioned above, I have problems with the claim that sexuality is not a choice, because it inevitable leads to "therefore God made me homosexual, and God forbids homosexuality, therefore it's all God's fault and Christianity is hypocritical and judgemental".
Which is exactly the point I made that started this discussion. *You* have problems with it because it is the only thing you have to justify your bigotry. Grow up and get over it. It has no effect on you.
The fact is that Christianity is hypocritical and judgemental. If it weren't, then Christians would be the number one biggest supporters of gay marriage. After all, according to most Christian theology, sex is wrong unless the people are married. Getting married magically makes it ok. Instead of taking the honest moral approach of allowing gays to be magically ok too, you people actively try to prevent it hence making them either be sinners or be forced to live asexually contrary to all human nature or marry a woman against their own nature.
The fact is that God did make some people gay. You want to discriminate against them anyway so you pick and choose parts of the bible to subscribe to. Do you follow *all* of the nonsense in Leviticus including slavery, burnt offerings, and avoiding pork and shellfish? Then you are arbitrarily deciding which parts of "God's word" to follow. That is a canonical example of "hypocricy and judgement".
Nope. I'm just saying that I've never gone out and had sex with a man. No matter what you start feeling at puberty, nothing is forcing you to act on them.
Then you are talking about a completely different subject now.
People who say "I can't help it, I was just born this way" (about anything, not just homosexuality) are just copping out.
Ahhh, nobody is saying *that* though.
Let me see if I understand your point:
You agree that sexual preference is a matter of how you're born, but actually acting on that preference is a matter of choice?
Fair enough as far as it goes.
But you seem to have some sort of problem with people acting according to their nature in a way that has no effect on you. Why is it ok for you to act according to your nature, but not for them?
Right. So present your evidence. And tell me why and how the things I listed are different from sexuality, instead of just saying that it's so. Make an argument.
You're the one making far out assertions. You provide evidence for your fantasy. You can't because there isn't any.
Here's a simple enough proof. When did you *choose* to be straight? I didn't. From a very early age, girls just always made me feel funny in the pants. Same goes for every other person I've ever spoken with about it. Gay people have the same story except it's about their own sex. So you're saying that you had a huge internal debate growing up as to whether you would choose to start liking women or whether you'd start getting hot for hairy man ass? That is what you're saying if you're claiming it's a choice. Pretty clear and simple. You really could have come up with that one yourself if you had any interest in figuring out the reality rather than justifying your bigotry.
Wow, another assertion with no argument backing it up.
For the same reason that I don't need to provide an argument that the earth revolves around the sun. It's a known fact backed up by every piece of evidence. If you are not aware of the fact, then you have done nothing to address your ignorance of the issue.
All of the other things you listed are different from sexuality. You are making up ridiculous arguments in order to attempt to pretend that your assertion has merit. In fact, some people *are* saying that some of the things you listed are genetic in part at least. Amusingly enough in a recent study, whiny babies turn out conservative just like you'd expect;-)
It's pretty simple to figure out the truth of the situation if you actually had any interest in doing so. Go talk to some gay people about it. You clearly haven't done so and are still pretending to know anything about the subject. That is laughable, you know?
That's a nice assertion. Any argument to back it up? Not everyone accepts that as a given
In fact *everyone* who knows anything about the subject does accept it as a given. In fact, the only people who refuse to accept the blatantly obvious fact are those who need it as their justification for bigotry. You're the one claiming that all gay people are lying, why don't *you* provide some justification as to how it would be possible for it to be false? Good luck with that.
I want the constitution to be enforced as written.
No you don't, otherwise you would not be supporting giving the goovernment the power to crawl up inside a person's body. It's that simple.
You need to read up on FDR.
You need to look around you. The level of technology combined with this administration's fascist beliefs are a far more dangerous combination. You do know we are shipping people to third world shit holes to be tortured don't you?
Re your voilence-inciting sig - my politics and morality aside, since it's clear you share neither, one questions the wisdom of a group that's big on gun control initiating violence against a group that's big on gun collection.
A) It's clear I have morals. It's pretty unlikely you would know what one was if it bit you on the ass if you're supporting Republicans at this point. That's a fact which you have not even attempted to present an argument against. You keep playing the same idiotic game that's worked so well for your treasonous masters: Blame "the other team". I hate both parties. The Republicans are at this point demonstrably worse in every particular.
B) Where do you get the completely insane idea that I'm big on gun control?
Look Sparky, you need to grow up, realise that political parties aren't like football teams. There are not two sides, issues are not black and white, and supporting the Republicans after they have demonstrated exactly what they stand for *is* an act of aggression against me, my family, integrity, morality, transparent government, and pretty much any other decent thing you'd care to name. The fact that the best argument you can come up with is whining about FDR demonstrates that you know how wrong you are. It's pretty typical that an avowed fascist like yourself would make a point of irrelevantly attacking the president who caused us to take sides against the fascists in WW2. You guys have been pissed as hell ever since because you (or those like you at the time) were huge supporters.
Show me where it the constitution explicitly states that people may not stab one another. It doesn't, hence there is no right to restrict each man's right to decide for himself whether it's the best time to stab someone? Perhaps you do believe that - it would explain your sig.
I misspoke. Replace "people" with "the government" in my original post. The Constitution clearly gives it the right to prevent people from stabbing each other which I fully agree with. Your completely irrational reading of my sig notwithstanding. I have a right to defend myself. Republicans have declared all out war on the constitution and the bill of rights moreso with this administration and this congress than at any other time in our nation's history by a long shot. Does this make it legal to murder Republicans? Obviously not. Does it make it absolutely justified? You're damn right it does. When those diseased thugs directly, willingly, and with malice aforethought rape the constitution in a transparent effort to remove all the protections my predecessors fought and died for, then I defy you to come up with any sane argument against my position.
At least bring back the rights explicitly granted in the bill of rights. Those are pretty fundamental. If that means some people need to move to a state that better reflects their values, it's not the end of the world.
More backwards ass nonsense. You're supporting the people who destroyed those very rights and claim that only by giving up more that they'll get them back?!? Par for the course with you Orwellian fascists.
We got into this bind because a very creative reading of the constitution is needed to keep Roe v Wade around.
Not at all. Show me where the constitution explicitly states that people have the right to force women to have a baby every time they get pregnant. It doesn't, hence there is no right to restrict a woman's right to decide for herself whether or not it's the best time for her. No creative reading necessary.
But if blaming the "right wing" makes you feel better, don't let me interrupt.
It doesn't make me feel better, it's a fact. This court will continue to weigh in favor of corporations and the rich against the citizens of this nation. It was bad enough before when it was slightly weighted to the right, but now that it's overwhelming, what is it that makes you think they would magically start voting against their politics?
I think we should initiate a policy of constant video surveillance of all households with children, not to mention legally mandated implantation of RFID devices in all children under the age of 18 so we can monitor their whereabouts 24/7/365.
I know your sort, you god damned leap year kiddy fiddler!!!.
However, what these dimmwits in washington don't seem to get, is that nobody would want to live in a country that was like that. People don't excactly flock to police states, begging to emigrate... --
Ummmm.... The dimwits you mention were *elected*. There are a lot of people who want to live in exactly that sort of society....well, as long as their "morals" are the ones being enforced. That's the entire point of the constitution; to say to those asshats who elect the dimwits: No. Fuck off you cowardly bitches! But the cowardly bitches are legion and even working on amending the constitution to let their hatred rule.
I think your heart's in the right place, but you are light years away from reality.
what exactly would you like to see happen penetrationwise that isn't potentially harmful?
do you WANT a john holmesian penis penetrating a 6 week old vagina?
Bravo! Way to be an extremist delusional asshat!!
Show me a six week old girl who can rationally discuss sex, its physical and emotional effects on her and willingly offer her consent and you will have demonstrated that you have a basic understanding of the issue. As you can't, you don't. As much as you want it to be true, every problem is not simple enough to be solved by kindergarten thinking.
When I say kiddie porn, I mean the freaks looking at naked pre-teens, not high school or college age women.
In the extremely specific context of the exact statement that you made right here, right then.
When you back it up in law you have allowed it to be redefined as anything from a newborn to a granny so old all her pussy hair fell out. That is the reality and it happens *every* time. Don't pretend that isn't the way the world works. Grow a pair and face reality.
The vast majority of kiddy raping is done by the family. Don't make up nonsense bullshit to justify wiping your ass with the constitution because you are too cowardly to deal with freedom in a productive manner.
You always need *some* controls in place.
Which was the fundamental basis of this country. You are arguing against exactly that. Pedophiles are statistically a non existant problem. Cowards desperate to rape the constitution in the name of "saving the children" are legion.
I'm wondering what the ultimate goal of this ruling was... to increase federal power or to keep law enforcement rolling in dough.
Why can't it be both? You're forgetting it's the most extreme right wing (use the power of the state against individual liberty) court in history. Two justices, including the Top Dog appointed by the most anti-freedom president ever.
Seriously, you weren't anything near funny. You pegged the major goal of the movement. Destroy the judiciary as the last possible defender of the people.
Impeach the entire administration and toss every single member of congress out on their treasonous ears and the court will still be there for a long fucking time.
That doesn't mean MS likes it and wouldn't sue the crap out of this reseller if they could. That was my only point.
If your whole point is that MS is a sleazy corporation that would look first to using the laws against the public at every opportunity rather than coming up with a way to actually provide value worth paying for new and you think you're actually coming up with a point, then you really are new here;-)
They're not undefinable. They're all infinity for whichever infinity you're using. Taking infinity to be Aleph0 whch is what most people mean by it (i.e. the cardinality of the integers) all of those operations work just fine and the result is Aleph0.
2^Aleph0 is a strictly larger infinity. That operation is also perfectly well defined.
Infinity can not be compared to infinity. Operations between infinite numbers are not defined in mathematics.
Yes, they are. Pretty well defined, in fact. Some infinities really and truly are bigger than others.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the whole God argument going on around us, but mathematicaly, there an infinite;-) number of distinct infinities.
More complicated but a demonstration of the fact that there are infinitely many infinities.
Again, pretty complicated but it demonstrates how while operations on infinity are pretty well defined, they can't be understood as well as most people would like.
Would Microsoft want a record label, a film studio or a consumer electronics business?
Absolutely. It would allow them more power/profit in pushing their brain dead DRM crap. It would allow them tremendous leverage against Apple's ITMS and iPod. If they bought every record label on the planet (obviously not realistic) then what exactly would Apple sell attheir music store?
This has nothing to do with the reality of MS acquiring Sony of course, but it's definitely something they would want.
Gravity used to go the same speed as light, but then it pissed off Chuck Norris and has to go faster now to get away.
Heresy! You're claiming something managed to get away from Chuck Norris?!? No, my friend, it pissed off Chuck Norris who roundhouse kicked it past the speed of light.
I think that shows that you have fallen way to far off the left end.
Wrong! I'm in the middle. Classical Liberal, Dude. You people have gone way off the extreme right end. That's fascism and we've already fought one war against it. Remember World War 2? That was us fighting against people just like you.
You are basically calling for a terrorists action, "Kill all those that believe differently."
Where did I say anything of the sort. Believe as you will. It's the actions of the Republican party that have demonstrated them to be the enemies of this country. Sorry, but setting up torture camps in various third world shitholes? Since that is what you stand for, what makes you think you deserve to live? Sorry, Sparky, but when you actively support the destruction of the constitution you have to expect that anybody with a scrap of patriotism *is* going to want your anti-American freedom hating ass dead. It's just the logical result of *your* chosen course of action. Don't blame me for loving what my country stands for. Blame yourself for acting to destroy it
Why don't you go find Republican soldier who is willing to die for your freedoms and tell him you want him dead.
Here's a better idea. Why don't you point me to one time in the last thirty years that our military has actually been used to defend my freedoms. Good luck with that Sparky.
OK, let me get this straight... you are comparing the government sniffing packets to The Fucking Holocaust. OK, now I've think you've gone way to far overboard with the BusHitler thing.
No, as I quite clearly stated.
The form of your argument was exactly the same, hence it is invalid. The fact that it is so easily shown to be so proves that it is a *stupid* argument.
The fact that you continue on to spout idiotic nonsense about how "durrrrrr well the gummint is always your friend and would never abuse it..." shows how totally out of touch with reality you are.
Based on what this administration has done so far, how the fuck could you possibly be so stupid as to believe that idiotic nonsense?!?
Even if it was an administration that had demonstrated anything but utter contempt for integrity you would have to be an idiot to not know that this kind of power will absolutely be abused.
That's why you got modded troll. Nobody could be stupid enough to believe that shit you spouted.
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I don't fear grey areas as you do.
I don't fear them at all. It seems that you are the only one acting out of fear.
Pre-internet, a minor could not go into an adult bookstore and by certain materials and that was okay. Now, minors can get on the net and access anything, and doesn't seem to bother you.
Nope, it doesn't bother me at all in any way. Why should it?
What possible harm could come to a person from seeing dirty pictures? That's right. None!
If it were possible, I'm sure you could point to studies demonstrating it?
You do know that for most of human history most people grew up in very close quarters with their entire families and children generally heard and saw their parents having sex, right?
You do know that it's only very recently in histiry that this whole issue even existed, right?
So, of course I don't care . Because there is nothing to be concerned about. The onus is on you to demonstrate that there is (contrary to thousands of years of human history) before using my money to enforce some silly rules about what websites *your* daughter is allowed to visit because you have your panties in a knot over a complete non issue.
As someone who is devoutly christian and historically conservative, I would really appreciate it if you didn't lump me in with this crowd. I'm not alone. This kind of garbage is neither christian nor conservative.
Neither is the "Christian Right" Christian or conservative. You can go on now secure in the knowledge that nobody lumped you in with anybody.
Now, do us all a favor and take some of your anger about this and direct it against the people who have made the term "Christian Right" mean exactly the same as "supporter of fascist theocracy".
It's really too bad that you don't like being lumped in with them, but do not waste your time or my time by whining to us about the *fact* that 'Christian Right" means ignorant hate mongering fascist freedom hating scumbag. It does mean exactly that, and it has nothing to do with "OMFGWTFBBQ the media". It has to do with the simple inescapable fact that that is what the leaders of that movement stand for wholeheartedly. Wake up and deal with reality.
Whine to the people who made this definition accurate. Whine to the people who have completely corrupted your religion and your government. It's the fact that you would rather whine that you're being lumped in with scumbags rather than do a god damned thing to demonstrate to the rest of the country and the world that there is such a thing as an American Christian who does not actively support discrimination, fascism, and theocracy.
People recognizing reality are not the problem here. Psuedo-Christians are the problem in this case. Go fight against them loudly and publically. They are the ones pissing all over your religion, not me, not the OP. It's *your* religion that once again as always throughout its history is being used to promote atrocity. Deal with that fact. Do not blame others for slagging the Christian right. That is their term. If you actually are a Christian, then do something about that first. Then there wouldn't be any reason for sane people to automatically translate "Christian" to "hate mongering fascist". Currently that is necessary in most situations in this country. Deal with that fact before whining about the inevitable results of it
Don't waste your breath with whiny nonsense about how poor innocent you is being lumped in with scum.
Demonstrate that this lumping is invalid. Otherwise you are doing nothing except helping them out by trying to portray sane people dealing with reality as if they were part of the problem. That's just crazy.
This rant is the typical blame the parent, not the offender bs.
It is nothing of the sort. *You* actively chose to take on the responsibility of being a parent. Now that it turns out that it actually takes work, you would rather force everybody else in the country to do your job for you.
Sorry, but it is nothing like "blame the parent instead of the offender". If we wanted to protect *your* children, then by far the best way would be to throw *you* in jail as you are statistically far more of a threat to your child than the entire internet.
As a parent I try to teach my duaghter right from wrong, but no parent can be everywhere and all times.
Of course you can't be with them at all times, but for the times you can't you'd better make sure you work harder during the times you are with her. That is the responsibility that *you* chose to undertake. Now do it instead of expecting everybody else to do it for you.
It still amazes me how little people care for each other in this world. Meaning, that I am expected to allow an endless array of material to accessed EVERYWHERE, yet if I pose a question about this access, I am quickly beaten on.
What a load of whiny ignorant crap.
I care for people a great deal. This does not mean that because you are afraid of reality that my entire way of life needs to be regulated to conform to some delusional Disney reality because you are too fucking scared to deal honestly with the world and the person you chose to bring into it.
Don't you fucking dare accuse people who actually give a shit about their freedom and rights of not caring about people.
You, by your decision to refuse to take responsibility for your own decisions have demonstrated your absolute lack of caring for anything except your insane desire to live in a delusiuonal fantasy world.
You are beinbg "beaten on" solely because you are supporting censorship because you are too lazy and cowardly to do your fucking job as a parent that you actively decided to take on.
The world is not all pink and safe and happy. It will never be that way. Efforts to make the world a better place are welcome. Supporting totalitarianism because you're scared of reality is not welcome and it will not help in any way! Until you can come up with some idea that will:
1. Work
2. Not infringe other's rights and freedoms
Then it is your responsibility to deal with your own offspring.
Talking with them honestly (i.e. not "OMFGWTFBBQ it's evil" but dealing with the fact that they *will* be having sex and they almost certainly will try drugs) about sex, drugs is the only sane option you have. Fucking over the world in order to avoid your responsibility is not the way.
Wait, wait, you're *against* crawling up inside a person's body? Which side of the abortion debate are you arguing again, I've lost track
I'm against the government doing it. Nothing to keep track of.
There are not two sides, issues are not black and white, and [Republicans are just pure evil and a threat to my side]
Umm, yeah, OK.
The claims Republicans make about what they stand for are one thing. They are debatable points. The reality is that they want to institute a fundamentalist fascist theocracy and have been working tirelessly toward that for a long time.
Fantasy and reality are two different things. It's entirely possible to support the old planks of the Republican party and be a decent human being. I support many of them myself. It isn't possible to support the ectual actions of the Republican party unless you're a theocratic fascist and therefore one who despises what the constitution says.
You just need to admit that you don't care about the constitution, because it's more important to you that society be run the Right Way.
No, I want people to leave me the fuck alone and quit trying to use the government to discriminate against groups of people they hate because they're too cowardly to deal with the fact that not everybody is like them.
The less "running' of society there is the bettrer for the most part.
I sure as hell don't want it run the "right" way where we take people away with no oversite and torture them in third world shit holes. That's been the Republican MO for the last 30 years at least. You can keep it.
simply have no interest in your ides about morality, society, etc - I merely want to be protected from *any* whackjob who wants to impose their ideas about such things on me.
Which is exactly what I've been saying, I want to be protected from Republicans. They are far and away the worst offenders. Those were exactly the ideas about morality and society that I've been stating.
Enforcing the constitution as written would be a great way to get there from here.
You keep flip flopping on this point.
I have no problem with homosexuals going and being homosexuals. I have problems with homosexuals saying "Christianity and homosexuality are compatible". If you take Christianity to be based on the Bible, that is clearly false. If whatever religion you are participating in ignores the Bible, and says homosexuality is a-ok, fine; just don't call it Christianity.
A far more honest argument would be that when you take a couple things from the old testament ignore other parts from the same chapter and then ignore most of what Jesus said then calling it Christianity is incorrect. That is what you are doing. You also after all this discussion came to make my argument for me. You are a bigot, and so you try to shift things around to justify your bigotry. It really is that simple.
As I mentioned above, I have problems with the claim that sexuality is not a choice, because it inevitable leads to "therefore God made me homosexual, and God forbids homosexuality, therefore it's all God's fault and Christianity is hypocritical and judgemental".
Which is exactly the point I made that started this discussion. *You* have problems with it because it is the only thing you have to justify your bigotry. Grow up and get over it. It has no effect on you.
The fact is that Christianity is hypocritical and judgemental. If it weren't, then Christians would be the number one biggest supporters of gay marriage. After all, according to most Christian theology, sex is wrong unless the people are married. Getting married magically makes it ok. Instead of taking the honest moral approach of allowing gays to be magically ok too, you people actively try to prevent it hence making them either be sinners or be forced to live asexually contrary to all human nature or marry a woman against their own nature.
The fact is that God did make some people gay. You want to discriminate against them anyway so you pick and choose parts of the bible to subscribe to. Do you follow *all* of the nonsense in Leviticus including slavery, burnt offerings, and avoiding pork and shellfish? Then you are arbitrarily deciding which parts of "God's word" to follow.
That is a canonical example of "hypocricy and judgement".
Nope. I'm just saying that I've never gone out and had sex with a man. No matter what you start feeling at puberty, nothing is forcing you to act on them.
Then you are talking about a completely different subject now.
People who say "I can't help it, I was just born this way" (about anything, not just homosexuality) are just copping out.
Ahhh, nobody is saying *that* though.
Let me see if I understand your point:
You agree that sexual preference is a matter of how you're born, but actually acting on that preference is a matter of choice?
Fair enough as far as it goes.
But you seem to have some sort of problem with people acting according to their nature in a way that has no effect on you. Why is it ok for you to act according to your nature, but not for them?
Right. So present your evidence. And tell me why and how the things I listed are different from sexuality, instead of just saying that it's so. Make an argument.
You're the one making far out assertions. You provide evidence for your fantasy. You can't because there isn't any.
Here's a simple enough proof. When did you *choose* to be straight? I didn't. From a very early age, girls just always made me feel funny in the pants. Same goes for every other person I've ever spoken with about it. Gay people have the same story except it's about their own sex.
So you're saying that you had a huge internal debate growing up as to whether you would choose to start liking women or whether you'd start getting hot for hairy man ass? That is what you're saying if you're claiming it's a choice. Pretty clear and simple. You really could have come up with that one yourself if you had any interest in figuring out the reality rather than justifying your bigotry.
Wow, another assertion with no argument backing it up.
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For the same reason that I don't need to provide an argument that the earth revolves around the sun. It's a known fact backed up by every piece of evidence. If you are not aware of the fact, then you have done nothing to address your ignorance of the issue.
All of the other things you listed are different from sexuality. You are making up ridiculous arguments in order to attempt to pretend that your assertion has merit. In fact, some people *are* saying that some of the things you listed are genetic in part at least. Amusingly enough in a recent study, whiny babies turn out conservative just like you'd expect
It's pretty simple to figure out the truth of the situation if you actually had any interest in doing so. Go talk to some gay people about it. You clearly haven't done so and are still pretending to know anything about the subject. That is laughable, you know?
Why wasn't the guy who owned PETA.org (people eating tasty animals) allowed to keep his domain?
Because Jerry Fallwell is a hate mongering bigot who likes to tell people how to live their lives and PETA is...uhhh....
Hmmmm, good question.
Religion is chosen. Homosexuality is not.
That's a nice assertion. Any argument to back it up? Not everyone accepts that as a given
In fact *everyone* who knows anything about the subject does accept it as a given. In fact, the only people who refuse to accept the blatantly obvious fact are those who need it as their justification for bigotry.
You're the one claiming that all gay people are lying, why don't *you* provide some justification as to how it would be possible for it to be false?
Good luck with that.
I want the constitution to be enforced as written.
No you don't, otherwise you would not be supporting giving the goovernment the power to crawl up inside a person's body. It's that simple.
You need to read up on FDR.
You need to look around you. The level of technology combined with this administration's fascist beliefs are a far more dangerous combination. You do know we are shipping people to third world shit holes to be tortured don't you?
Re your voilence-inciting sig - my politics and morality aside, since it's clear you share neither, one questions the wisdom of a group that's big on gun control initiating violence against a group that's big on gun collection.
A) It's clear I have morals. It's pretty unlikely you would know what one was if it bit you on the ass if you're supporting Republicans at this point. That's a fact which you have not even attempted to present an argument against. You keep playing the same idiotic game that's worked so well for your treasonous masters: Blame "the other team". I hate both parties. The Republicans are at this point demonstrably worse in every particular.
B) Where do you get the completely insane idea that I'm big on gun control?
Look Sparky, you need to grow up, realise that political parties aren't like football teams. There are not two sides, issues are not black and white, and supporting the Republicans after they have demonstrated exactly what they stand for *is* an act of aggression against me, my family, integrity, morality, transparent government, and pretty much any other decent thing you'd care to name.
The fact that the best argument you can come up with is whining about FDR demonstrates that you know how wrong you are.
It's pretty typical that an avowed fascist like yourself would make a point of irrelevantly attacking the president who caused us to take sides against the fascists in WW2. You guys have been pissed as hell ever since because you (or those like you at the time) were huge supporters.
Show me where it the constitution explicitly states that people may not stab one another. It doesn't, hence there is no right to restrict each man's right to decide for himself whether it's the best time to stab someone? Perhaps you do believe that - it would explain your sig.
I misspoke. Replace "people" with "the government" in my original post.
The Constitution clearly gives it the right to prevent people from stabbing each other which I fully agree with.
Your completely irrational reading of my sig notwithstanding.
I have a right to defend myself. Republicans have declared all out war on the constitution and the bill of rights moreso with this administration and this congress than at any other time in our nation's history by a long shot.
Does this make it legal to murder Republicans? Obviously not. Does it make it absolutely justified? You're damn right it does. When those diseased thugs directly, willingly, and with malice aforethought rape the constitution in a transparent effort to remove all the protections my predecessors fought and died for, then I defy you to come up with any sane argument against my position.
At least bring back the rights explicitly granted in the bill of rights. Those are pretty fundamental. If that means some people need to move to a state that better reflects their values, it's not the end of the world.
More backwards ass nonsense. You're supporting the people who destroyed those very rights and claim that only by giving up more that they'll get them back?!? Par for the course with you Orwellian fascists.
We got into this bind because a very creative reading of the constitution is needed to keep Roe v Wade around.
Not at all. Show me where the constitution explicitly states that people have the right to force women to have a baby every time they get pregnant. It doesn't, hence there is no right to restrict a woman's right to decide for herself whether or not it's the best time for her. No creative reading necessary.
But if blaming the "right wing" makes you feel better, don't let me interrupt.
It doesn't make me feel better, it's a fact. This court will continue to weigh in favor of corporations and the rich against the citizens of this nation. It was bad enough before when it was slightly weighted to the right, but now that it's overwhelming, what is it that makes you think they would magically start voting against their politics?
I think we should initiate a policy of constant video surveillance of all households with children, not to mention legally mandated implantation of RFID devices in all children under the age of 18 so we can monitor their whereabouts 24/7/365.
I know your sort, you god damned leap year kiddy fiddler!!!.
However, what these dimmwits in washington don't seem to get, is that nobody would want to live in a country that was like that. People don't excactly flock to police states, begging to emigrate...
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Ummmm.... The dimwits you mention were *elected*. There are a lot of people who want to live in exactly that sort of society....well, as long as their "morals" are the ones being enforced. That's the entire point of the constitution; to say to those asshats who elect the dimwits: No. Fuck off you cowardly bitches!
But the cowardly bitches are legion and even working on amending the constitution to let their hatred rule.
I think your heart's in the right place, but you are light years away from reality.
what exactly would you like to see happen penetrationwise that isn't potentially harmful?
do you WANT a john holmesian penis penetrating a 6 week old vagina?
Bravo! Way to be an extremist delusional asshat!!
Show me a six week old girl who can rationally discuss sex, its physical and emotional effects on her and willingly offer her consent and you will have demonstrated that you have a basic understanding of the issue. As you can't, you don't. As much as you want it to be true, every problem is not simple enough to be solved by kindergarten thinking.
When I say kiddie porn, I mean the freaks looking at naked pre-teens, not high school or college age women.
In the extremely specific context of the exact statement that you made right here, right then.
When you back it up in law you have allowed it to be redefined as anything from a newborn to a granny so old all her pussy hair fell out.
That is the reality and it happens *every* time. Don't pretend that isn't the way the world works. Grow a pair and face reality.
The vast majority of kiddy raping is done by the family. Don't make up nonsense bullshit to justify wiping your ass with the constitution because you are too cowardly to deal with freedom in a productive manner.
You always need *some* controls in place.
Which was the fundamental basis of this country. You are arguing against exactly that. Pedophiles are statistically a non existant problem. Cowards desperate to rape the constitution in the name of "saving the children" are legion.
I'm wondering what the ultimate goal of this ruling was... to increase federal power or to keep law enforcement rolling in dough.
Why can't it be both?
You're forgetting it's the most extreme right wing (use the power of the state against individual liberty) court in history. Two justices, including the Top Dog appointed by the most anti-freedom president ever.
Seriously, you weren't anything near funny. You pegged the major goal of the movement. Destroy the judiciary as the last possible defender of the people.
Impeach the entire administration and toss every single member of congress out on their treasonous ears and the court will still be there for a long fucking time.
That doesn't mean MS likes it and wouldn't sue the crap out of this reseller if they could. That was my only point.
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If your whole point is that MS is a sleazy corporation that would look first to using the laws against the public at every opportunity rather than coming up with a way to actually provide value worth paying for new and you think you're actually coming up with a point, then you really are new here
They're not undefinable. They're all infinity for whichever infinity you're using.
Taking infinity to be Aleph0 whch is what most people mean by it (i.e. the cardinality of the integers) all of those operations work just fine and the result is Aleph0.
2^Aleph0 is a strictly larger infinity. That operation is also perfectly well defined.
Infinity can not be compared to infinity. Operations between infinite numbers are not defined in mathematics.
;-) number of distinct infinities.
Yes, they are. Pretty well defined, in fact. Some infinities really and truly are bigger than others.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the whole God argument going on around us, but mathematicaly, there an infinite
A fairly simple demonstration that there are at least 2 different ones
More complicated but a demonstration of the fact that there are infinitely many infinities.
Again, pretty complicated but it demonstrates how while operations on infinity are pretty well defined, they can't be understood as well as most people would like.
Would Microsoft want a record label, a film studio or a consumer electronics business?
Absolutely.
It would allow them more power/profit in pushing their brain dead DRM crap. It would allow them tremendous leverage against Apple's ITMS and iPod.
If they bought every record label on the planet (obviously not realistic) then what exactly would Apple sell attheir music store?
This has nothing to do with the reality of MS acquiring Sony of course, but it's definitely something they would want.
Gravity used to go the same speed as light, but then it pissed off Chuck Norris and has to go faster now to get away.
Heresy!
You're claiming something managed to get away from Chuck Norris?!?
No, my friend, it pissed off Chuck Norris who roundhouse kicked it past the speed of light.
I think that shows that you have fallen way to far off the left end.
Wrong! I'm in the middle. Classical Liberal, Dude. You people have gone way off the extreme right end. That's fascism and we've already fought one war against it. Remember World War 2? That was us fighting against people just like you.
You are basically calling for a terrorists action, "Kill all those that believe differently."
Where did I say anything of the sort. Believe as you will. It's the actions of the Republican party that have demonstrated them to be the enemies of this country. Sorry, but setting up torture camps in various third world shitholes? Since that is what you stand for, what makes you think you deserve to live? Sorry, Sparky, but when you actively support the destruction of the constitution you have to expect that anybody with a scrap of patriotism *is* going to want your anti-American freedom hating ass dead. It's just the logical result of *your* chosen course of action. Don't blame me for loving what my country stands for. Blame yourself for acting to destroy it
Why don't you go find Republican soldier who is willing to die for your freedoms and tell him you want him dead.
Here's a better idea. Why don't you point me to one time in the last thirty years that our military has actually been used to defend my freedoms. Good luck with that Sparky.
OK, let me get this straight... you are comparing the government sniffing packets to The Fucking Holocaust. OK, now I've think you've gone way to far overboard with the BusHitler thing.
No, as I quite clearly stated.
The form of your argument was exactly the same, hence it is invalid. The fact that it is so easily shown to be so proves that it is a *stupid* argument.
The fact that you continue on to spout idiotic nonsense about how "durrrrrr well the gummint is always your friend and would never abuse it..." shows how totally out of touch with reality you are.
Based on what this administration has done so far, how the fuck could you possibly be so stupid as to believe that idiotic nonsense?!?
Even if it was an administration that had demonstrated anything but utter contempt for integrity you would have to be an idiot to not know that this kind of power will absolutely be abused.
That's why you got modded troll. Nobody could be stupid enough to believe that shit you spouted.