Go ahead and apply Occam's Razor. You are positing a house without a builder. Occam's Razor would seem to indicate that what is necessary for the house to come into being is a builder. What is necessary for the universe to come into being is a creator (no God didn't come into being because he's pure act).
You are missing the point. The question, "Where did the universe come from?" has only one correct answer, "I don't know". Many people for whatever reason are uncomfortable with this ignorance and answer the question, "God made it". This inevitably leads to the question, "Where did god come from?" To which again the only correct answer is, "I don't know". Ususally this is phrased as, "He just is" or, "He has always been here", which are equivalent. This has added no new information to the discussion and the only affect is to add a useless extra lair between you and your ignorance. This is where Occam's Razor gets applied.
Note to the easily offended, this doesn't say anything about god's existance or lack thereof, it was just pointing out a fallacy in the esteemed Mr. Coward's application of the principal.
For the simple minded, think of it like this: if you were a divinity, wouldn't you be able to make it seem as though you don't exist to test the faith of those who are less powerful?....... "blessed are you who have not seen and yet still believe."
This, to me, is as close as it is possible to get to actual proof that the whole thing is fake and made up by men. It says that if god exists, then he is a petty trickster. The more likely (IMO) reason for this statement is to create a loophole out of *any* evidence, argument, or anything else , making any rational discussion of the whole issue pointless.
Let me ask you this in all seriousness: Assume it is a fact that god exists. I know you believe he does, but assume it is absolutely proven to the satisfaction of everybody, ignoring the obvious problems this would create with the whole faith thing.
Why would you even want to worship a deity that is so petty?
Why is that? Science relies heavily on the concept of infinity, and it has no nature to be discussed. There are many mathematical properties that involve it, yet do those express its true nature?
Infinity was unclear once upon a time, but not any more. Largely through the work of Georg Cantor, the nature and properties of infinity have been absolutely described. There was a time when this was unclear and this bothered people. So they went ahead and cleared up the ambiguities. While this doesn't give a definitive answr to the issue in question, your example did just turn around and bite you on the ass.
I think time is just a way of measuring intervals of action... and it's not another dimension...
Time most certainly *is* a dimension. You probably don't understand what a dimension is. All it is is a degree of freedom. For example, a frictionless pendulum is a 2-dimensional system because it takes only 2 variables to completely describe the system, the angle and the velocity. Similarly, to completely describe my location requires 4 variables, latitude, longitude, height, and *when* I'm there. Leaving time out would result in an incomplete description of my location. If you were to look in the same physical location tomorrow you might not find me there.
A dimension is *not* some strange parallel universe thingy as implied by bad sci fi.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the Bush gang and the coup in December of 2000 (fraudulent 'election' in November, Supreme Court supported coup in December).
In point of fact, the real dirty work happened several months before the election. Good old Jeb stripped 100,000 democratic voters of their right to vote. This was actually published in the mainstream media in The Washington Post. The sad thing is that even though this is probably the biggest story in the history of the country they decided to print the story months after it was submitted on page 8.
Look it up.
While you're at it, do a search on the phrase, "Accept this carpet of gold or we will bury you under a carpet of bombs", for the reasons behind the war.
You my, confused friend, are thinking of Flash Player and SWF plugin.
You my, at least less confused than I, friend are correct. I was thinking of the shockwave flash plugin. The authoring capabilities are not there, but I haven't found anything macromedia related in a web page that I have been unable to view in some time.
Oh please, get over it, You are completely missing the point. I didn't vote for Gore. I suspect he would be very similar, but more or less as bad as Bush. It isn't a question of "a close election" it is a question of the entire process being subverted. If it was just a case of the first count being wrong it would be one thing. The Florida governor struck 100,000 voters from the rolls for the sole reason that they were registered in the party that his brother wasn't in. Think about that. Let it sink in. If you don't see that as by far the single most critical event in US Government history then you need to wake up.
I will stick to my guns, no one in power would have their positions without voters
You need to clean your guns. Someone is in power without the will of the voters. Sure he had some voters, but he was *only* elected by criminal actions on the part of the Florida governor.
if something totally screws over a majority or a decently sized minority, you bet they'll think twice about passing a law like that.
The event I am talking about screwed over every single person in America and by extension the world. Regardless if you voted for Bush or not.
If you seriously think I should "get over" the fact that the Constitution of the US was completely subverted in the last election and that the head of state is a criminal who only got his office through the machinations of his organized crime family, then you do not deserve the priviledge which this form of government is supposed to offer. I think you would feel more comfortable living somewhere else like China or Iran.
Sorry, but last time I checked the United States was a FREE COUNTRY
You apparently haven't checked lately. We had a coup in November and the country is now run by the Bush Organized Crime Family. You apparently are not a paranoid leftist. You are not even "paranoid" enough to be a realist in today's world.
which has obvious practical advantages and almost no potential for abuse,
It has plenty of potential for abuse. No standardized voting methods would have stopped the coup in November. How would a stsndardized voting method prevent one of the candidate's brothers who just happens to be a state governor from illegally striking 100,000 voters from the roles because they were registered voters in the other party? Also, even with non standard voting methods and the problems caused by this, Gore still won on the recount. How would a standardized voting method have prevented the Bush Organized Crime Family from overthrowing the US government?
Also, keep in mind that about a month before the attacks, the Taliban was told by a US government representative representing the oil companies involved and I quote, "You will accept this carpet of gold or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs". Do a search on that quote. Also look at Usurper Bush's cabinet. They are all neck deep in oil.
America was very suprised, and the logical reaction is to protect various avenues that terrorism could be carried out.
Americans were surprised. America's government was *not*. Keep this in mind. The American government knew about the attacks. We were warned by at least 5 other foreign governments. The FBI was investigating until Bush ordered them to stop. One of the top FBI officials resigned over this. They even knew the day since several VIPs were warned not to fly that day.
However, we almost certainly are going to overreact and clamp down more than we need to because emotions are high right now
Or given the above, maybe this isn't so much an over reaction, but something more sinister.
To any Americans reading this, if you were not aware of these facts, then you are not taking your responsibilities as an American seriously. If your only source of news is the major networks, then you are not doing your duty.
As Americans we have more priviledge than any other people. The thing most of us forget is that with great priviledge comes great responsibility. It is your duty to actively inform yourself, not passively get fed what the corporations owning the major media consortiums want you to see. If you are not willing to take this responsibility, then you do not deserve the priviledge.
I think if we simply control how it's used, and pass laws that give very strong boundarys to the power of this card, then we probably will not have a problem.
Now how the fuck do you suppose "we" control anything about this. And don't even bother with any crap about voting. In case you are not aware we had a coup last November. It has since been proven *absolutely* and even printed in The Washington Post (page 8, months after the investigation completed so "buried" would be a better word than printed) that Jeb illegally struck 100,000 voters off the voter roles in Florida. Curiously the majority were black and they were all registered Democrats. Also, another *fact* if they had recounted the entire state Gore won.
Now given these facts please reassess your feelings about this. We have absolutely no say in our government any longer.
Oh Canadia, if only you would give me residence (and had a good graduate school) I would be yours.
I suppose they probably have some sort of policy about allowing someone into a graduate school who can't even spell the name of the country in which the school is located.
Nope... sounds like you don't want to actually seek facts so you speculate. If you actually understood how Windows worked you wouldn't doubt my response.
If *you* understood how windows worked you wouldn't post condescending crap in the interest of making it look like you do understand. At startup windows loads all the ie libraries into memory. When you actually run iexplore.exe it uses more memory for the actual browser windows which is what you're seeing with that 28MB. When you quit it, you get that memory back, but you can't get the other memory back without completely uninstalling ie, which is impossible according to MS.
If Opera isn't freeing it's memory, then that is a bug in Opera. This, of course, has nothing to do with the above *facts* about ie.
I'm not sure if you are a troll, or just ignorant.
What the reviewer basically says about security is that the older 9x windows versions are not secure -- which is true, and that the newer NT based versions are but the lazy users don't bother to configure their systems in a secure way.
The problem is that windows is a bitch to run as any user but administrator. Too many things don't work correctly, hence even most security conscious windows users log in as administrator all the time.
Evolution runs in KDE just fine - do you have the gnome libs intalled?
You're missing the point -- I want all my apps to have the same look and feel. Using two (three) different widget toolkits is not conducive to this end.
I might be missing something here, but any Gnome app I run in KDE looks and feels like a KDE app to me. As long as the Gnome libs are installed, then the app will run fine and KDE handles the UI stuff.
This has been my experience, but I don't care too much about consistency in this way.
There's no IEXPLORER.EXE running while I'm using Opera. There IS when I load IE specifically though. As an internet browser it is not running all the time.
Wow, so that saves you like 20KB, or whatever iexplore.exe is while the other 20MB of libraries are still loaded. Did you have a point, or were you just trying to be misleading?
Fact is that they destroyed his credibility with these questions.
Which questions were these exactly? I know I can read of one in the description, but there is nothing in the article. Did they change it because it made MS look too bad?
Tom wrote "embed" in 1997, as stated in his emails. DMCA went into the books in 1998. So he wrote the program before the law even existed... How can you break a law before it's a law?
Key word "wrote". Writing a program isn't ever illegal. He is currently distributing it. Ex post facto has no relevance to this issue.
Of course, they are full of crap for the reasons on Tom's site.
Please, follow up with slashdot when there's any new news. I think most of us would love to hear any definitive outcome of this little skirmish.
Rather than ask him to follow up with/., why don't you bookmark his page and check back occasionally. You could also then send the link to anyone you know that is either interested in this issue, or needs some new fonts.
Unless up2date requires you to upgrade your kernel (which it would in a stock RH7.1 box at the moment). Then you will have to reboot.
This is true, but your example is flawed. No one who isn't a complete idiot would put a stock install up as a public webserver. You do the install, immediately run up2date then configuration then testing, then go live. Now, granted, when the next security problem is found in the kernel you will need to reboot to fix it. Not for every stinking patch though.
Competition is not war and competition is good when it does not involve degrading your competitor.
Ahh, but when it involves illegal trade practices to stab a competitor in the bck it's not good for anyone. Note the US isn't innocent in this regard, but the Japanese have consistently been hands down the worst.
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Go ahead and apply Occam's Razor. You are positing a house without a builder. Occam's Razor would seem to indicate that what is necessary for the house to come into being is a builder. What is necessary for the universe to come into being is a creator (no God didn't come into being because he's pure act).
You are missing the point.
The question, "Where did the universe come from?" has only one correct answer, "I don't know".
Many people for whatever reason are uncomfortable with this ignorance and answer the question, "God made it".
This inevitably leads to the question, "Where did god come from?" To which again the only correct answer is, "I don't know".
Ususally this is phrased as, "He just is" or, "He has always been here", which are equivalent.
This has added no new information to the discussion and the only affect is to add a useless extra lair between you and your ignorance.
This is where Occam's Razor gets applied.
Note to the easily offended, this doesn't say anything about god's existance or lack thereof, it was just pointing out a fallacy in the esteemed Mr. Coward's application of the principal.
For the simple minded, think of it like this: if you were a divinity, wouldn't you be able to make it seem as though you don't exist to test the faith of those who are less powerful?.......
"blessed are you who have not seen and yet still believe."
This, to me, is as close as it is possible to get to actual proof that the whole thing is fake and made up by men. It says that if god exists, then he is a petty trickster. The more likely (IMO) reason for this statement is to create a loophole out of *any* evidence, argument, or anything else , making any rational discussion of the whole issue pointless.
Let me ask you this in all seriousness:
Assume it is a fact that god exists. I know you believe he does, but assume it is absolutely proven to the satisfaction of everybody, ignoring the obvious problems this would create with the whole faith thing.
Why would you even want to worship a deity that is so petty?
Why is that? Science relies heavily on the concept of infinity, and it has no nature to be discussed. There are many mathematical properties that involve it, yet do those express its true nature?
Infinity was unclear once upon a time, but not any more.
Largely through the work of Georg Cantor, the nature and properties of infinity have been absolutely described.
There was a time when this was unclear and this bothered people. So they went ahead and cleared up the ambiguities.
While this doesn't give a definitive answr to the issue in question, your example did just turn around and bite you on the ass.
for a bird
;-)
that rubs its beak once a year against a great wall across india, to rub the wall down to
nothing.
Is this in a vacuum,so wind effects don't help contribute?
What kind of bird? If a swallow, African, or European?
BTW Brian Lumley rocks
I think time is just a way of measuring intervals of action... and it's not another dimension...
Time most certainly *is* a dimension.
You probably don't understand what a dimension is.
All it is is a degree of freedom. For example, a frictionless pendulum is a 2-dimensional system because it takes only 2 variables to completely describe the system, the angle and the velocity.
Similarly, to completely describe my location requires 4 variables, latitude, longitude, height, and *when* I'm there. Leaving time out would result in an incomplete description of my location. If you were to look in the same physical location tomorrow you might not find me there.
A dimension is *not* some strange parallel universe thingy as implied by bad sci fi.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the Bush gang and the coup in December of 2000 (fraudulent 'election' in November, Supreme Court supported coup in December).
In point of fact, the real dirty work happened several months before the election.
Good old Jeb stripped 100,000 democratic voters of their right to vote. This was actually published in the mainstream media in The Washington Post. The sad thing is that even though this is probably the biggest story in the history of the country they decided to print the story months after it was submitted on page 8.
Look it up.
While you're at it, do a search on the phrase, "Accept this carpet of gold or we will bury you under a carpet of bombs", for the reasons behind the war.
You my, confused friend, are thinking of Flash Player and SWF plugin.
You my, at least less confused than I, friend are correct.
I was thinking of the shockwave flash plugin.
The authoring capabilities are not there, but I haven't found anything macromedia related in a web page that I have been unable to view in some time.
Thanks for clarifying
Lack of Quicktime and Shockwave are at the top of my "Annoying things about Linux" list.
For quicktime you can use Codeweavers Crossover plugin. I know it's not the same as having it native.
Shockwave has been available for linux for a long time.
Oh please, get over it,
You are completely missing the point.
I didn't vote for Gore. I suspect he would be very similar, but more or less as bad as Bush.
It isn't a question of "a close election" it is a question of the entire process being subverted.
If it was just a case of the first count being wrong it would be one thing. The Florida governor struck 100,000 voters from the rolls for the sole reason that they were registered in the party that his brother wasn't in.
Think about that. Let it sink in. If you don't see that as by far the single most critical event in US Government history then you need to wake up.
I will stick to my guns, no one in power would have their positions without voters
You need to clean your guns. Someone is in power without the will of the voters. Sure he had some voters, but he was *only* elected by criminal actions on the part of the Florida governor.
if something totally screws over a majority or a decently sized minority, you bet they'll think twice about passing a law like that.
The event I am talking about screwed over every single person in America and by extension the world. Regardless if you voted for Bush or not.
If you seriously think I should "get over" the fact that the Constitution of the US was completely subverted in the last election and that the head of state is a criminal who only got his office through the machinations of his organized crime family, then you do not deserve the priviledge which this form of government is supposed to offer.
I think you would feel more comfortable living somewhere else like China or Iran.
Seriously, study the facts.
Sorry, but last time I checked the United States was a FREE COUNTRY
You apparently haven't checked lately. We had a coup in November and the country is now run by the Bush Organized Crime Family.
You apparently are not a paranoid leftist. You are not even "paranoid" enough to be a realist in today's world.
which has obvious practical advantages and almost no potential for abuse,
It has plenty of potential for abuse. No standardized voting methods would have stopped the coup in November. How would a stsndardized voting method prevent one of the candidate's brothers who just happens to be a state governor from illegally striking 100,000 voters from the roles because they were registered voters in the other party?
Also, even with non standard voting methods and the problems caused by this, Gore still won on the recount. How would a standardized voting method have prevented the Bush Organized Crime Family from overthrowing the US government?
Also, keep in mind that about a month before the attacks, the Taliban was told by a US government representative representing the oil companies involved and I quote, "You will accept this carpet of gold or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs".
Do a search on that quote. Also look at Usurper Bush's cabinet. They are all neck deep in oil.
America was very suprised, and the logical reaction is to protect various avenues that terrorism could be carried out.
Americans were surprised. America's government was *not*. Keep this in mind. The American government knew about the attacks. We were warned by at least 5 other foreign governments. The FBI was investigating until Bush ordered them to stop. One of the top FBI officials resigned over this. They even knew the day since several VIPs were warned not to fly that day.
However, we almost certainly are going to overreact and clamp down more than we need to because emotions are high right now
Or given the above, maybe this isn't so much an over reaction, but something more sinister.
To any Americans reading this, if you were not aware of these facts, then you are not taking your responsibilities as an American seriously. If your only source of news is the major networks, then you are not doing your duty.
As Americans we have more priviledge than any other people. The thing most of us forget is that with great priviledge comes great responsibility.
It is your duty to actively inform yourself, not passively get fed what the corporations owning the major media consortiums want you to see. If you are not willing to take this responsibility, then you do not deserve the priviledge.
I think if we simply control how it's used, and pass laws that give very strong boundarys to the power of this card, then we probably will not have a problem.
Now how the fuck do you suppose "we" control anything about this. And don't even bother with any crap about voting. In case you are not aware we had a coup last November. It has since been proven *absolutely* and even printed in The Washington Post (page 8, months after the investigation completed so "buried" would be a better word than printed) that Jeb illegally struck 100,000 voters off the voter roles in Florida. Curiously the majority were black and they were all registered Democrats. Also, another *fact* if they had recounted the entire state Gore won.
Now given these facts please reassess your feelings about this. We have absolutely no say in our government any longer.
Oh Canadia, if only you would give me residence (and had a good graduate school) I would be yours.
I suppose they probably have some sort of policy about allowing someone into a graduate school who can't even spell the name of the country in which the school is located.
Nope... sounds like you don't want to actually seek facts so you speculate. If you actually understood how Windows worked you wouldn't doubt my response.
If *you* understood how windows worked you wouldn't post condescending crap in the interest of making it look like you do understand.
At startup windows loads all the ie libraries into memory. When you actually run iexplore.exe it uses more memory for the actual browser windows which is what you're seeing with that 28MB. When you quit it, you get that memory back, but you can't get the other memory back without completely uninstalling ie, which is impossible according to MS.
If Opera isn't freeing it's memory, then that is a bug in Opera. This, of course, has nothing to do with the above *facts* about ie.
I'm not sure if you are a troll, or just ignorant.
What the reviewer basically says about security is that the older 9x windows versions are not secure -- which is true, and that the newer NT based versions are but the lazy users don't bother to configure their systems in a secure way.
The problem is that windows is a bitch to run as any user but administrator. Too many things don't work correctly, hence even most security conscious windows users log in as administrator all the time.
Evolution runs in KDE just fine - do you have the gnome libs intalled?
You're missing the point -- I want all my apps to have the same look and feel. Using two (three) different widget toolkits is not conducive to this end.
I might be missing something here, but any Gnome app I run in KDE looks and feels like a KDE app to me.
As long as the Gnome libs are installed, then the app will run fine and KDE handles the UI stuff.
This has been my experience, but I don't care too much about consistency in this way.
Am I missing something?
There's no IEXPLORER.EXE running while I'm using Opera. There IS when I load IE specifically though. As an internet browser it is not running all the time.
Wow, so that saves you like 20KB, or whatever iexplore.exe is while the other 20MB of libraries are still loaded. Did you have a point, or were you just trying to be misleading?
Fact is that they destroyed his credibility with these questions.
Which questions were these exactly? I know I can read of one in the description, but there is nothing in the article. Did they change it because it made MS look too bad?
Tom wrote "embed" in 1997, as stated in his emails. DMCA went into the books in 1998. So he wrote the program before the law even existed... How can you break a law before it's a law?
Key word "wrote".
Writing a program isn't ever illegal.
He is currently distributing it.
Ex post facto has no relevance to this issue.
Of course, they are full of crap for the reasons on Tom's site.
Please, follow up with slashdot when there's any new news. I think most of us would love to hear any definitive outcome of this little skirmish.
/., why don't you bookmark his page and check back occasionally. You could also then send the link to anyone you know that is either interested in this issue, or needs some new fonts.
Rather than ask him to follow up with
I mean seriously, he is doing his part already.
Thanks for standing up for all of our (Americans anyway) rights.
Best of luck.
Unless up2date requires you to upgrade your kernel (which it would in a stock RH7.1 box at the moment). Then you will have to reboot.
This is true, but your example is flawed. No one who isn't a complete idiot would put a stock install up as a public webserver. You do the install, immediately run up2date then configuration then testing, then go live.
Now, granted, when the next security problem is found in the kernel you will need to reboot to fix it. Not for every stinking patch though.
Competition is not war and competition is good when it does not involve degrading your competitor.
Ahh, but when it involves illegal trade practices to stab a competitor in the bck it's not good for anyone. Note the US isn't innocent in this regard, but the Japanese have consistently been hands down the worst.