You vilify every person in the US who considers themselves conservative, which based on the last presidential election is roughly half of the people that bothered to get out and vote.
I rightfully vilify them based on the facts. I stated their positions accurately. They are all anti-American, anti-freedom, and unconstitutional. Those facts *prove* them to be scumbags. There's nothing particularly confusing about that to an *objective* observer.
... And I am the "scumbag"?
Yes. You stated your support for treasonous religious extremists who seek to create an overpowering police state. That's pretty much an indefensibly scumbag position. I find your complete lack of personal responsibility for your choices....typical.
This sort of hostile vilification of those "different from yourself" is the cornerstone of racism/anti-semitism/etc. that lead to political coup's, ethnic cleanings, civil war's, and further intolerance (those who were previously tolerant become intolerant as a defensive measure).
It has nothing to do with them being different than me. I welcome many different viewpoints. You, however are trying to compare holding people accountable for their actions, which is all that I am doing, with intolerance of people based on how they were born? There is a world of difference between those two things. It is the conservatives' contempt for the constitution and their ignorant prejudice which led them to make a mockery of Congress by standing up and screeching such blatantly false and unethical statements like the gays are trying to destroy society. It's that level of insanity and hatred of this nation which has come to define the Republican party.
I'm certainly not surprised to see you lie through your teeth about that though as such lies are your sole stock in trade. Nice attempt at projection, but what you tried to accuse me of in a way even a moderately intelligent child could have countered as easily as I did, is exactly what defines your party and what makes them the worst enemies this nation has ever had.
You're attaching everyone from a political party because of your dissatisfaction with the current administration. You have NO IDEA who I voted for in any election, unless of course you can read minds through the internet. You don't know whether or not I agree with any stance that the current administration has made, or whether I'm a member of the Republican party because or in spite of Bush.
Again, all you do is demonstrate your deep ignorance. The Republicans' contempt for this nation goes back long before this administration. Reagan brought fascism full force into the Republican party although they'd been going that way for some time. Why do you think he still holds the record for largest growth of the federal government *ever*. All while selling crack in America in order to train, fund, and arm terrorists? Add in his death squad training camps and you're looking at a vile, America hating monster. Yet he's still canonized by the Republican party. That demonstrates absolutely the contempt and hatred that Republicans *by definition* have for America. Right, but it's all the current administration. Pick up a history book and learn to think. You might not come across as such an ignorant, lying fool in future.
Like most people I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. It's not so black/white as you are making the liberal/conservative issue out to be. I joined the Republican party 10 years ago because the issues that mattered most to me were best represented by the "general" platform of the party, not the platform of any individual politician.
So you hate gays and you love big totalitarian government? Or did you mean their *stated* platform which they piss in the face of every chance they get but that you were too lazy and ignorant to pay attention to?
I think you need to talk to a counselor about your hostility issues, maybe get a valium prescription, ge
Kids are only piqued by things blowing up and burning? If that's so, perhaps we should encourage them all to join the military, where blowing stuff up and burning stuff is the entire point?
The difference is that by learning things you can go on to provide great benefits to yourself, to your nation and your fellow man. By joining the military all that you are able to do is serve as a hitman for corporate interests and work against the interests of your nation and your fellow man.
The hypocrisy is stunning. They don't want to be told what they can and can't do online (including burning a huge portion of the available bandwidth while ripping off entertainment), but they want the ability to tell a business that builds and sustains a network how they should operate it.
Your hypocrisy is stunning. The ISPs didn't build and sustain the networks. We the people were robbed at gunpoint to pay for them to do so. They refused to deliver what we already paid them to do and instead siphoned off the money to executive salaries and bonuses. So until they deliver what they lobbied to force us the pay them to do, they have no rights and no legitimate authority over *our* networks.
If they wanted intelligent, informed people (unlike yourself) to support their right to own their network, then they should have actually paid for it themselves. So by your delusional statement that they should be allowed to screw over my use of *my* property which *I* paid for you demonstrate not only hypocrisy, but the belief that you, me and everyone else in the country are nothing more than the slaves of whoever bribes the government enough.
You really should consider relocating to a country like China or Saudi Arabia where they already share your values rather than trying to drag this country whose values you despise down to their levels. It is, of course, the ethical thing to do which is why I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to do it.
In no contemporary use of the word can slashdot in totality be considered 'right'...like it or not, right now, 'right' and 'republican' means NEOCONs.
Right means the same thing now as it has always meant. Authoritarian, elitist, protecting the power of those in power at all costs. Using the power of the necessarily large, powerful state in order to promote the agenda of the already powerful against the interests of the people.
You should probably look at where the term came from since you think this is somehow different than what it used to mean.
In the French Assembly the representatives of the aristocracy and the church sat on the *right* side of the aisle. That's it. That's what right means now and has always meant. Promote the power of the elite.
The representatives of the people sat on the left. This is why "left" describes groups dedicated to using the power of the necessarily large, powerful state against the individual to force "equality". Note that this isn't "equality under the law". It's equality as in "I want what you have without earning it".
"Liberal" means those who promote the value of the individual against the power of the state. Now, in America, this word has been manipulated to destroy the very idea it once stood for. We no longer have a word in common usage in American English to describe the beliefs of the people who founded this country which is a deeply disturbing fact.
"Liberalism" is what the left and the right are left or right *of*. Both despise liberalism but for very different reasons and with very different goals. Either way left and right both absolutely *demand* a large overpowering state to enforce their goals and they are both totalitarian. The canonical example of the right are the Nazis and the canonical example of the left is soviet communism.
If you describe yourself as right or left then you are putting yourself into one of those camps. Neither of which an ethical person could possibly support.
Maybe I'm just reading different posts than you are but I can't recall the last time I saw a post supporting a conservative view point that didn't get flamed.
That's due to the fact that there aren't any "conservative" points of view which aren't clueless, insane or treasonous.
Lets' see what they have:
Make up lies to start wars which are only capable of benefiting arms dealers and oil companies. Piss in the face of the fundamental basis of this nation by pushing religious agendas into law. Rob the American people blind to give handouts to already profitable corporations. Institute death camps. Torture innocents, while fighting tooth and nail against providing any evidence for the guilt of any of the people they've illegally kidnapped.
Seriously, when you're a cowardly delusional traitor who has declared war on America you have earned flames through your own choices.
If any of you scumbags had any integrity at all you wouldn't be whining like a little bitch about how all decent ethical people hold you in contempt, you'd shoot yourself in the face for your crimes against this nation.
Conservative=whining, lying coward and nothing besides.
1. Olympic athletes are supposed to serve as an inspiration to others, especially children.
No, they are not. They are supposed to try and win whatever event they compete in so that they can get paid large sums of money to advertise crap (often crap more harmful than some of these performance enhancing drugs). Now, the fact that so many people like to pretend that they should be some sort of example is a real problem, but that problem should be addressed on its own (or not, there's no real way to stop people from being stupid that is consistent with a free society). Lumping two entirely different problems together like you're doing is not only unhelpful, it's dishonest.
Thus, putting you clearly in the "solid liberal" camp to which most of my argument didn't apply.
Well, there went any possibility of you being considered capable of rational thought.
You're telling me you wouldn't get fired up hearing Obama give Rush the what for?
I'm not a fan of watching two scumbags yell at each other. I'd prefer no scumbags being given any air time.
Or are you afraid someone "illegitimate" will somehow trick a man who is allegedly qualified for the most powerful diplomatic position in the world into looking foolish in front of the biggest political audience in the country?
He already made himself into (not look like) a traitor by voting for telecom immunity. I have no intention of voting for him. I never vote for Republicans or Democrats as I'm actually an intelligent informed *citizen*.
Frankly, as a libertarian and an advocate of copyright reform, it is for this single issue that I vote against the Democrats.
OK, that's perfectly reasonable. Of course, if that means that you vote for the Republicans over that rather than voting for some party that actually stands for anything worthwhile then your reasoning ability is sorely lacking.
Republican party has strayed away from their old, conservative ideal of small government that is of the people, by the people, for the people (a quote from Lincoln, a Republican and an opponent of slavery, unlike the Democrats), but even so, in issues that I care about, I trust them far better than I trust the Democrats.
You do know that Lincoln was a big corporate lawyer, right? You do know that he did more to destroy the idea of small government than any president since until Reagan, right? You do know that Republican opposition to slavery was due to the advantage slave owners had in not having to pay their employees, rather than any actual support of liberty, right?
You do know that there never was a time that the Republican party actually stood for any of the things you claim that they did, right? When government was trying to hold the rich accountable, then they spouted "small government". Now that the rich use the government as a tool to enhance their profits they are the biggest fans of big government that we have.
If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you have quite a bit of homework ahead of you if you expect to be treated as an actual citizen rather than a subject.
Repeating idiotic myths does not count as thinking.
If anyone with real leadership threw his/her hat in the ring, he/she would be a shoe-in for this election.
No, he'd be crucified by the media and both parties. Please pay attention and don't spout idiotic nonsense which a bright third grader should be expected to see right through.
Why does everybody allways acts like they are being cheated out of their money when caught breaking traffic laws? They are laws, you know them and they improve safety.
No, mostly they are designed to improve *revenue*, not safety.
With weak willed, ignorant fools like you repeating the lies of the very people profiting of such activity, it's no surprise our country has gone down the shitter.
Thanks for nothing, subject. This country needs citizens.
If you'd take your lithium for a minute and use some reason, you'd recognize that whatever your party, whatever your ideology, if your party's leadership can't crack the whip and line up the votes, they're not going to get anything done in Congress.
Typical screeching of idiotic lies. You've been trained well.
The fact is that most of what either party tries to get done is treasonous, so them getting nothing done is a good thing.
But most people actually want their political party to accomplish something. This is simple politics 101; if you don't have some unity in your political organization, you're not going to get jack squat done.
Yes, it's the way politics works and it's sleazy as hell. Given the fact that the Republican agenda is a fascist agenda dedicated to the destruction of the fundamental basis of this nation that applauding them for being better at criminal activity, exploiting the ignorant and damaging our country says a lot about you, your character and your lack of ethics. You seem to feel that doing anything at all is good because you've accomplished something even if what you've accomplished is specifically forbidden by both the constitution and basic moral and ethical principles.
That's why the Republican party took over the title of biggest big government party back under Reagan and they now stand for nothing except the agenda of the military/prison industrial complex and that of religious extremists. This is a 180 degree turnaround from the government created in the constitution. So you have a few scumbags benefiting while the rest of the Republican base look like ridiculous fools every time that they open their mouths about small government, integrity, morals, ethics, fiscal responsibility or any of the other things they spout off about while pissing all over. However were they to demonstrate a scrap of integrity they would be be crucified by the rest of the pathetic sheep who such policies guarantee will be almost the entire membership of the party. For proof of that simple fact, look at Ron Paul who didn't compromise his integrity and McCain who pissed all of his away. Which one did they Republicans nominate? Exactly.
If you are an independent or democrat and learned that Obama went on Rush, Hannity, or O'Reilly, how would that change your estimation of him? If you're an independent who knows Obama claims to be the right man to negotiate with dictators and tyrants, but is "afraid" to accept repeated invitations to those shows, how would that change your estimation of him?
Given that those shows are dedicated to making a mockery of political discussion in this country I have nothing but contempt for any politician who would disgrace themselves by lending the air of legitimacy to them which they clearly don't deserve.
Yet Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson did so many times, and every time he crashed and burned horribly, establishing beyond any doubt his public image as a monumentally absent-minded posh Wodehousian buffoon. Now he's the Mayor of London.
Oh come on now, I thought he handled himself pretty well given that he was the target of so much of the guest's humor. His hair alone was good for several laughs....not that jokes about it were good for laughs...his hair itself is inherently amusing. Now granted, I'm American, I thought he was a comedian and my British wife had to explain that he was an actual "legitimate" politician but still...
Partisanship isn't their problem, then, discipline is. And I'm not the first to notice this. Way back in the 1930's, Will Rogers said "I belong to no organized political party; I am a Democrat".
And by "discipline", of course, you mean supporting the party line no matter whether it is dishonest, treasonous or anything else as long as it promotes the party over the country. That would be "partisanship" at which they are disciplined.
So, yes, the Republicans are more effective at betraying the country and completely screwing it up because they don't let facts get in the way of their "disciplined" assault on this nation and their support of their party over the interests of their country.
Don't kid yourself, the Democrats are complete shit, but they are far better than the Republicans *because* they are not as good as subverting the interests of their nation to the interests of their party.
Discipline in treason is a bad thing, not a good thing as you seem to think.
Let's face it, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report are both the equivalent to the Fox channel shows for the Democrats. Before you flame me, know I'm a Democrat.
Of course they are. They are making a mockery of the media. The difference is that DS and CR freely admit that that's what they're doing and the majority of their viewers know that. Fox, pretends that they're a legitimate news source when they're nothing but anti-American propaganda and their viewers do not get that.
Conservative to me means what my mother said "privatise everything, the bastards."Conservative to me means what my mother said "privatise everything, the bastards."
No, they're quite adamant about keeping the costs socialized and only privatizing the profits.
It's the difference between socialism and fascism in a nutshell.
Science has *nothing* to say about the existence, or otherwise, of a supreme being.
That's true if by "supreme being' you strictly mean the deist god who zapped the universe into existence and fucked off never to be seen again.
However as soon as you postulate some god that has any interest in communicating a message to his creation, then you've gone way off the deep end into insanity. You don't really need science to prove that absolutely, just basic reasoning skills.
Think it through. If you claim that there is an all powerful, all knowing being who has proven himself completely unable to communicate a simple message then you've contradicted yourself in one sentence.
Now if you think that he did manage to communicate his message, then you're so delusional as to not have noticed the thousands of gods and the millions of contradictory ideas about them.
So, yes, the idea of some being initially putting the universe into motion and then vanishing is outside the bounds of human knowledge at this point and possibly forever.
Assigning any more detail than that to the being is quite obviously entirely nonsensical.
The national defense is one of the few things the federal government does today that actually has a constitutional basis. I don't think anyone suggests getting rid of our military. It's one of the VERY few things our government has done that actually WORKS (when liberals aren't busy undermining it and/or its mission, anyway).
Really? There's a constitutional basis for using our military to murder democratically elected leaders in order to install brutal right wing thugs if they're friendly to certain powerful corporate interests?
How exactly does that translate as "defense"?
The most laughable thing is that you declare people who dislike that type of massive unconstitutional corporate welfare to automatically be "liberals" (which, of course they are according to what that word actually means although that's not what you meant by it) and then claim that by expecting the military to actually do their fucking job instead of being little besides a corporate hit squad that they're "undermining" the mission of the military.
That is, of course, complete nonsense.
Your idea of the military's mission is in direct contradiction to what it actually is. You also demonstrate your contempt for a free society and your love of militant fascism, corporate welfare and huge government.
I mean, seriously, at least try to sound sane for a minute.
"Waaaaaa the eval liberulz are undermining the mission of the military by expecting it to defend our country instead of attacking other countries for the profit of a few scumbags". That is what you said, and it's both false and utterly disgusting.
Please keep your huge oppressive government wet dreams to yourself, or at least have the basic decency to be honest about your contempt for small government and the idea of a free society.
According to you, because the government was looking at phone calls to catch terrorists with out a warrant, we are all the sudden in some repressed world where you don't even have enough freedom to tell people about the repression.
That's a magical belief right there. Unless you can *prove* that the government committed the *crimes* and *acts of treason* that it did for the purpose of "catching terrorists" you have nothing but a demonstrably delusional faith. Given that we know that the government lied about the terrorist threat in order to pursue agendas completely unrelated to any such thing, that they completely overblew the threat of terrorism to make cowards like yourself wet their panties and beg for the destruction of the bill of rights to protect them from a made up threat, it is obvious that you have not paid one damn bit of attention. You are a sheep repeating the nonsense that the media is feeding you.
As soon as you claim that the government criminally violated the constitution since they're really really after terrorists just like they say, then you have proven yourself absolutely and beyond any possibility of a doubt to be a naive fool with no knowledge of history (specifically the times these same *exact* tactics have been used to achieve the same *exact* goals of instituting a totalitarian government). You have yet to come up with anything to differentiate this situation to the one in say Germany as the Nazis were taking power. Same tactics, same goal, with people like Wolfowitz who took their PhDs in Nazi philosophy and "The Big Lie" in particular. You're ignorant of all of that, you don't know a damn thing about who is running the country or their history and you know SFA about history period.
Now, the fact is that all you are doing is repeating blatantly obvious propaganda from *known* liars, criminals and traitors. There is no sane reason to believe the lies you're repeating and I defy you to come up with one. Otherwise just STFU, troll.
Lol.. Oh your really oppressed there. Your really feeling the strong arm of the government clamping down on dissent now. Hey, here is a hint, grow the fuck up.
It is a childish attitude to assume that everything will be magically fine with no effort or thought on your part. It is mature to pay attention, to learn from history, and to be able to apply those lessons to the present situation. So, quite obviously it is you who has a great deal of growing up to do.
Yes, the age old slippery slope arguments. You know the if we let gays marry, they will molest children, if we let teachers goto church, they will preach in the classroom, if we let you say nigger, you will end up lynching minorities before the day is done. Those good ol slipery slope arguements. Gotta love them.
That's not a "slippery slope" argument. The fact that we are rapidly sliding into fascism is a simple statement of fact. If that is what you're actually trying to deny, then go ahead and try. Just because I used the word "sliding" does not mean that it is a "slippery slope" argument. You should probably learn what those terms mean if you don't want to keep looking like an ignorant fool.
BTW, sliding down hill down not in any way mean we are there. It does not in any way meet the statement I said "When we cross that reality, I will change my mind". Also, we live in a different situation then in any other point in time in history where if the people ask for it, they will get it. And when they had enough, they will reject it. Of have you forgotten what a democracy is in all your intelligence? Have you gotten so smart that you don't remember how this republic of ours works? Or is it that you only think your intelligent and really don't have a clue?
We have a government that has decided that the restrictions in the constitution are meaningless, that they can spy on us at will with zero oversight and zero recourse to the law. They have decided that they can take anybody away to a third world shithole to be tortured and murdered on a whim with zero oversight and zero recourse to the law. So I'm really not sure what world you're living in, but that is quite obviously only possible in a police state. So if they start disappearing dissenters as they've clearly already laid the groundwork for your "change of mind", or more accurately your pulling your head out of your ass and dealing with reality in a rational manner will be meaningless. Given your nature and your character, you'll just roll over and keep licking boots. It's all you're doing at this point, so no reason to suspect you of ever doing anything else.
Of course, it's a little tough to "reject it" when they can tap all communications between those who would reject it. When they can disappear potential "troublemakers" at will. So, again, you claim that if we just wait until all the mechanisms of the police state are in place and accepted by the mass of the people that magically it will all go away. You keep making "arguments" that rely entirely on magic. You should stop doiung that if you don't want to be known as a fool.
The only thing that makes our situation different than any other time is that the power of the state to spy on, manipulate, and control its subjects is unprecedented.
I remember how this Republic is supposed to work, but I, unlike your deeply ignorant self am aware that it is not functioning in that manner. The defenses against tyranny have been systematically weakened, subverted, or destroyed. That means that the Republic is not functional and your "arguments" based on the assumption that it just magically works is entirely baseless. People like me are trying to get it working again. People like you are trying very hard to make sure it never can function again. Your apathy and your clearly demonstrated ignorance are what is helping make that happen.
Well, if you have mental problems and everyone is out to get you, I guess you might be right. But like I said, answer those questions and answer what I said inste
Are we living under a repressive government? I would think your ability to answer that means no.
Well, it's obviously no surprise to anybody that you're a fool.
When we cross that reality, I will change my mind.
Indeed, you have proven yourself to be deeply fucking stupid.
If you paid any attention to history, you would know we're sliding downhill fast. Since all the intelligent people have been pointing this out for years now in excruciating detail, you have no excuse whatsoever for not being aware of it...well except for your clearly demonstrated stupidity.
Now, it's is really fucking obvious to anybody with any sense at all that it will be far to late for you changing your mind to do anything at that point except to go "durrr I guess I should have pulled my head out of my ass and thought years ago".
Your level of stupidity is truly amazing though.
"We're not in a complete and total police state yet although we're well on our way, but once we are completely fucked I'll then start dealing with it."
Once more for the record. You are a god damned idiot. That is not an ad hominem attack. It is the inevitable conclusion one has to make after reading the idiotic crap you wrote.
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You vilify every person in the US who considers themselves conservative, which based on the last presidential election is roughly half of the people that bothered to get out and vote.
I rightfully vilify them based on the facts. I stated their positions accurately. They are all anti-American, anti-freedom, and unconstitutional.
Those facts *prove* them to be scumbags. There's nothing particularly confusing about that to an *objective* observer.
Yes. You stated your support for treasonous religious extremists who seek to create an overpowering police state. That's pretty much an indefensibly scumbag position. I find your complete lack of personal responsibility for your choices....typical.
This sort of hostile vilification of those "different from yourself" is the cornerstone of racism/anti-semitism/etc. that lead to political coup's, ethnic cleanings, civil war's, and further intolerance (those who were previously tolerant become intolerant as a defensive measure).
It has nothing to do with them being different than me. I welcome many different viewpoints. You, however are trying to compare holding people accountable for their actions, which is all that I am doing, with intolerance of people based on how they were born? There is a world of difference between those two things. It is the conservatives' contempt for the constitution and their ignorant prejudice which led them to make a mockery of Congress by standing up and screeching such blatantly false and unethical statements like the gays are trying to destroy society. It's that level of insanity and hatred of this nation which has come to define the Republican party.
I'm certainly not surprised to see you lie through your teeth about that though as such lies are your sole stock in trade.
Nice attempt at projection, but what you tried to accuse me of in a way even a moderately intelligent child could have countered as easily as I did, is exactly what defines your party and what makes them the worst enemies this nation has ever had.
You're attaching everyone from a political party because of your dissatisfaction with the current administration. You have NO IDEA who I voted for in any election, unless of course you can read minds through the internet. You don't know whether or not I agree with any stance that the current administration has made, or whether I'm a member of the Republican party because or in spite of Bush.
Again, all you do is demonstrate your deep ignorance. The Republicans' contempt for this nation goes back long before this administration. Reagan brought fascism full force into the Republican party although they'd been going that way for some time. Why do you think he still holds the record for largest growth of the federal government *ever*. All while selling crack in America in order to train, fund, and arm terrorists? Add in his death squad training camps and you're looking at a vile, America hating monster. Yet he's still canonized by the Republican party. That demonstrates absolutely the contempt and hatred that Republicans *by definition* have for America.
Right, but it's all the current administration. Pick up a history book and learn to think. You might not come across as such an ignorant, lying fool in future.
Like most people I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. It's not so black/white as you are making the liberal/conservative issue out to be. I joined the Republican party 10 years ago because the issues that mattered most to me were best represented by the "general" platform of the party, not the platform of any individual politician.
So you hate gays and you love big totalitarian government? Or did you mean their *stated* platform which they piss in the face of every chance they get but that you were too lazy and ignorant to pay attention to?
I think you need to talk to a counselor about your hostility issues, maybe get a valium prescription, ge
Kids are only piqued by things blowing up and burning? If that's so, perhaps we should encourage them all to join the military, where blowing stuff up and burning stuff is the entire point?
The difference is that by learning things you can go on to provide great benefits to yourself, to your nation and your fellow man. By joining the military all that you are able to do is serve as a hitman for corporate interests and work against the interests of your nation and your fellow man.
Sad but true.
The hypocrisy is stunning. They don't want to be told what they can and can't do online (including burning a huge portion of the available bandwidth while ripping off entertainment), but they want the ability to tell a business that builds and sustains a network how they should operate it.
Your hypocrisy is stunning.
The ISPs didn't build and sustain the networks. We the people were robbed at gunpoint to pay for them to do so. They refused to deliver what we already paid them to do and instead siphoned off the money to executive salaries and bonuses.
So until they deliver what they lobbied to force us the pay them to do, they have no rights and no legitimate authority over *our* networks.
If they wanted intelligent, informed people (unlike yourself) to support their right to own their network, then they should have actually paid for it themselves. So by your delusional statement that they should be allowed to screw over my use of *my* property which *I* paid for you demonstrate not only hypocrisy, but the belief that you, me and everyone else in the country are nothing more than the slaves of whoever bribes the government enough.
You really should consider relocating to a country like China or Saudi Arabia where they already share your values rather than trying to drag this country whose values you despise down to their levels. It is, of course, the ethical thing to do which is why I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to do it.
In no contemporary use of the word can slashdot in totality be considered 'right'...like it or not, right now, 'right' and 'republican' means NEOCONs.
Right means the same thing now as it has always meant.
Authoritarian, elitist, protecting the power of those in power at all costs. Using the power of the necessarily large, powerful state in order to promote the agenda of the already powerful against the interests of the people.
You should probably look at where the term came from since you think this is somehow different than what it used to mean.
In the French Assembly the representatives of the aristocracy and the church sat on the *right* side of the aisle. That's it. That's what right means now and has always meant. Promote the power of the elite.
The representatives of the people sat on the left. This is why "left" describes groups dedicated to using the power of the necessarily large, powerful state against the individual to force "equality". Note that this isn't "equality under the law". It's equality as in "I want what you have without earning it".
"Liberal" means those who promote the value of the individual against the power of the state. Now, in America, this word has been manipulated to destroy the very idea it once stood for. We no longer have a word in common usage in American English to describe the beliefs of the people who founded this country which is a deeply disturbing fact.
"Liberalism" is what the left and the right are left or right *of*. Both despise liberalism but for very different reasons and with very different goals. Either way left and right both absolutely *demand* a large overpowering state to enforce their goals and they are both totalitarian. The canonical example of the right are the Nazis and the canonical example of the left is soviet communism.
If you describe yourself as right or left then you are putting yourself into one of those camps. Neither of which an ethical person could possibly support.
Maybe I'm just reading different posts than you are but I can't recall the last time I saw a post supporting a conservative view point that didn't get flamed.
That's due to the fact that there aren't any "conservative" points of view which aren't clueless, insane or treasonous.
Lets' see what they have:
Make up lies to start wars which are only capable of benefiting arms dealers and oil companies.
Piss in the face of the fundamental basis of this nation by pushing religious agendas into law.
Rob the American people blind to give handouts to already profitable corporations.
Institute death camps.
Torture innocents, while fighting tooth and nail against providing any evidence for the guilt of any of the people they've illegally kidnapped.
Seriously, when you're a cowardly delusional traitor who has declared war on America you have earned flames through your own choices.
If any of you scumbags had any integrity at all you wouldn't be whining like a little bitch about how all decent ethical people hold you in contempt, you'd shoot yourself in the face for your crimes against this nation.
Conservative=whining, lying coward and nothing besides.
I'm quite familiar with the flunge, fleching
Look, you guys had me going for a while but now you're just making up words ;-)
1. Olympic athletes are supposed to serve as an inspiration to others, especially children.
No, they are not. They are supposed to try and win whatever event they compete in so that they can get paid large sums of money to advertise crap (often crap more harmful than some of these performance enhancing drugs). Now, the fact that so many people like to pretend that they should be some sort of example is a real problem, but that problem should be addressed on its own (or not, there's no real way to stop people from being stupid that is consistent with a free society). Lumping two entirely different problems together like you're doing is not only unhelpful, it's dishonest.
Thus, putting you clearly in the "solid liberal" camp to which most of my argument didn't apply.
Well, there went any possibility of you being considered capable of rational thought.
You're telling me you wouldn't get fired up hearing Obama give Rush the what for?
I'm not a fan of watching two scumbags yell at each other. I'd prefer no scumbags being given any air time.
Or are you afraid someone "illegitimate" will somehow trick a man who is allegedly qualified for the most powerful diplomatic position in the world into looking foolish in front of the biggest political audience in the country?
He already made himself into (not look like) a traitor by voting for telecom immunity. I have no intention of voting for him. I never vote for Republicans or Democrats as I'm actually an intelligent informed *citizen*.
Frankly, as a libertarian and an advocate of copyright reform, it is for this single issue that I vote against the Democrats.
OK, that's perfectly reasonable. Of course, if that means that you vote for the Republicans over that rather than voting for some party that actually stands for anything worthwhile then your reasoning ability is sorely lacking.
Republican party has strayed away from their old, conservative ideal of small government that is of the people, by the people, for the people (a quote from Lincoln, a Republican and an opponent of slavery, unlike the Democrats), but even so, in issues that I care about, I trust them far better than I trust the Democrats.
You do know that Lincoln was a big corporate lawyer, right? You do know that he did more to destroy the idea of small government than any president since until Reagan, right?
You do know that Republican opposition to slavery was due to the advantage slave owners had in not having to pay their employees, rather than any actual support of liberty, right?
You do know that there never was a time that the Republican party actually stood for any of the things you claim that they did, right?
When government was trying to hold the rich accountable, then they spouted "small government". Now that the rich use the government as a tool to enhance their profits they are the biggest fans of big government that we have.
If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you have quite a bit of homework ahead of you if you expect to be treated as an actual citizen rather than a subject.
Repeating idiotic myths does not count as thinking.
If anyone with real leadership threw his/her hat in the ring, he/she would be a shoe-in for this election.
No, he'd be crucified by the media and both parties.
Please pay attention and don't spout idiotic nonsense which a bright third grader should be expected to see right through.
Why does everybody allways acts like they are being cheated out of their money when caught breaking traffic laws? They are laws, you know them and they improve safety.
No, mostly they are designed to improve *revenue*, not safety.
With weak willed, ignorant fools like you repeating the lies of the very people profiting of such activity, it's no surprise our country has gone down the shitter.
Thanks for nothing, subject. This country needs citizens.
If you'd take your lithium for a minute and use some reason, you'd recognize that whatever your party, whatever your ideology, if your party's leadership can't crack the whip and line up the votes, they're not going to get anything done in Congress.
Typical screeching of idiotic lies. You've been trained well.
The fact is that most of what either party tries to get done is treasonous, so them getting nothing done is a good thing.
But most people actually want their political party to accomplish something. This is simple politics 101; if you don't have some unity in your political organization, you're not going to get jack squat done.
Yes, it's the way politics works and it's sleazy as hell. Given the fact that the Republican agenda is a fascist agenda dedicated to the destruction of the fundamental basis of this nation that applauding them for being better at criminal activity, exploiting the ignorant and damaging our country says a lot about you, your character and your lack of ethics.
You seem to feel that doing anything at all is good because you've accomplished something even if what you've accomplished is specifically forbidden by both the constitution and basic moral and ethical principles.
That's why the Republican party took over the title of biggest big government party back under Reagan and they now stand for nothing except the agenda of the military/prison industrial complex and that of religious extremists. This is a 180 degree turnaround from the government created in the constitution. So you have a few scumbags benefiting while the rest of the Republican base look like ridiculous fools every time that they open their mouths about small government, integrity, morals, ethics, fiscal responsibility or any of the other things they spout off about while pissing all over.
However were they to demonstrate a scrap of integrity they would be be crucified by the rest of the pathetic sheep who such policies guarantee will be almost the entire membership of the party. For proof of that simple fact, look at Ron Paul who didn't compromise his integrity and McCain who pissed all of his away.
Which one did they Republicans nominate? Exactly.
If you are an independent or democrat and learned that Obama went on Rush, Hannity, or O'Reilly, how would that change your estimation of him? If you're an independent who knows Obama claims to be the right man to negotiate with dictators and tyrants, but is "afraid" to accept repeated invitations to those shows, how would that change your estimation of him?
Given that those shows are dedicated to making a mockery of political discussion in this country I have nothing but contempt for any politician who would disgrace themselves by lending the air of legitimacy to them which they clearly don't deserve.
Yet Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson did so many times, and every time he crashed and burned horribly, establishing beyond any doubt his public image as a monumentally absent-minded posh Wodehousian buffoon. Now he's the Mayor of London.
Oh come on now, I thought he handled himself pretty well given that he was the target of so much of the guest's humor. His hair alone was good for several laughs....not that jokes about it were good for laughs...his hair itself is inherently amusing.
Now granted, I'm American, I thought he was a comedian and my British wife had to explain that he was an actual "legitimate" politician but still...
Partisanship isn't their problem, then, discipline is. And I'm not the first to notice this. Way back in the 1930's, Will Rogers said "I belong to no organized political party; I am a Democrat".
And by "discipline", of course, you mean supporting the party line no matter whether it is dishonest, treasonous or anything else as long as it promotes the party over the country. That would be "partisanship" at which they are disciplined.
So, yes, the Republicans are more effective at betraying the country and completely screwing it up because they don't let facts get in the way of their "disciplined" assault on this nation and their support of their party over the interests of their country.
Don't kid yourself, the Democrats are complete shit, but they are far better than the Republicans *because* they are not as good as subverting the interests of their nation to the interests of their party.
Discipline in treason is a bad thing, not a good thing as you seem to think.
Let's face it, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report are both the equivalent to the Fox channel shows for the Democrats. Before you flame me, know I'm a Democrat.
Of course they are.
They are making a mockery of the media. The difference is that DS and CR freely admit that that's what they're doing and the majority of their viewers know that.
Fox, pretends that they're a legitimate news source when they're nothing but anti-American propaganda and their viewers do not get that.
Look mate, there are 3 types of people in the world, those that can count, and those that can't. Which type of person do you think you are?
I'm the other kind, duh.
Conservative to me means what my mother said "privatise everything, the bastards."Conservative to me means what my mother said "privatise everything, the bastards."
No, they're quite adamant about keeping the costs socialized and only privatizing the profits.
It's the difference between socialism and fascism in a nutshell.
Heretic. It was last Wednesday and it was done by your other cat who hasn't chosen to tell me his name.
Beware the coming of the great paw you wrong catist.
Science has *nothing* to say about the existence, or otherwise, of a supreme being.
That's true if by "supreme being' you strictly mean the deist god who zapped the universe into existence and fucked off never to be seen again.
However as soon as you postulate some god that has any interest in communicating a message to his creation, then you've gone way off the deep end into insanity.
You don't really need science to prove that absolutely, just basic reasoning skills.
Think it through. If you claim that there is an all powerful, all knowing being who has proven himself completely unable to communicate a simple message then you've contradicted yourself in one sentence.
Now if you think that he did manage to communicate his message, then you're so delusional as to not have noticed the thousands of gods and the millions of contradictory ideas about them.
So, yes, the idea of some being initially putting the universe into motion and then vanishing is outside the bounds of human knowledge at this point and possibly forever.
Assigning any more detail than that to the being is quite obviously entirely nonsensical.
The national defense is one of the few things the federal government does today that actually has a constitutional basis. I don't think anyone suggests getting rid of our military. It's one of the VERY few things our government has done that actually WORKS (when liberals aren't busy undermining it and/or its mission, anyway).
Really? There's a constitutional basis for using our military to murder democratically elected leaders in order to install brutal right wing thugs if they're friendly to certain powerful corporate interests?
How exactly does that translate as "defense"?
The most laughable thing is that you declare people who dislike that type of massive unconstitutional corporate welfare to automatically be "liberals" (which, of course they are according to what that word actually means although that's not what you meant by it) and then claim that by expecting the military to actually do their fucking job instead of being little besides a corporate hit squad that they're "undermining" the mission of the military.
That is, of course, complete nonsense.
Your idea of the military's mission is in direct contradiction to what it actually is. You also demonstrate your contempt for a free society and your love of militant fascism, corporate welfare and huge government.
I mean, seriously, at least try to sound sane for a minute.
"Waaaaaa the eval liberulz are undermining the mission of the military by expecting it to defend our country instead of attacking other countries for the profit of a few scumbags". That is what you said, and it's both false and utterly disgusting.
Please keep your huge oppressive government wet dreams to yourself, or at least have the basic decency to be honest about your contempt for small government and the idea of a free society.
Heh, try living in Illinois. Our legislature can't pass a budget either, and our last Governor is in prison.
Do you think our current governor will get to share the same cell when he goes in?
According to you, because the government was looking at phone calls to catch terrorists with out a warrant, we are all the sudden in some repressed world where you don't even have enough freedom to tell people about the repression.
That's a magical belief right there. Unless you can *prove* that the government committed the *crimes* and *acts of treason* that it did for the purpose of "catching terrorists" you have nothing but a demonstrably delusional faith. Given that we know that the government lied about the terrorist threat in order to pursue agendas completely unrelated to any such thing, that they completely overblew the threat of terrorism to make cowards like yourself wet their panties and beg for the destruction of the bill of rights to protect them from a made up threat, it is obvious that you have not paid one damn bit of attention. You are a sheep repeating the nonsense that the media is feeding you.
As soon as you claim that the government criminally violated the constitution since they're really really after terrorists just like they say, then you have proven yourself absolutely and beyond any possibility of a doubt to be a naive fool with no knowledge of history (specifically the times these same *exact* tactics have been used to achieve the same *exact* goals of instituting a totalitarian government). You have yet to come up with anything to differentiate this situation to the one in say Germany as the Nazis were taking power. Same tactics, same goal, with people like Wolfowitz who took their PhDs in Nazi philosophy and "The Big Lie" in particular. You're ignorant of all of that, you don't know a damn thing about who is running the country or their history and you know SFA about history period.
Now, the fact is that all you are doing is repeating blatantly obvious propaganda from *known* liars, criminals and traitors. There is no sane reason to believe the lies you're repeating and I defy you to come up with one. Otherwise just STFU, troll.
Lol.. Oh your really oppressed there. Your really feeling the strong arm of the government clamping down on dissent now. Hey, here is a hint, grow the fuck up.
It is a childish attitude to assume that everything will be magically fine with no effort or thought on your part. It is mature to pay attention, to learn from history, and to be able to apply those lessons to the present situation. So, quite obviously it is you who has a great deal of growing up to do.
Yes, the age old slippery slope arguments. You know the if we let gays marry, they will molest children, if we let teachers goto church, they will preach in the classroom, if we let you say nigger, you will end up lynching minorities before the day is done. Those good ol slipery slope arguements. Gotta love them.
That's not a "slippery slope" argument. The fact that we are rapidly sliding into fascism is a simple statement of fact. If that is what you're actually trying to deny, then go ahead and try. Just because I used the word "sliding" does not mean that it is a "slippery slope" argument. You should probably learn what those terms mean if you don't want to keep looking like an ignorant fool.
BTW, sliding down hill down not in any way mean we are there. It does not in any way meet the statement I said "When we cross that reality, I will change my mind". Also, we live in a different situation then in any other point in time in history where if the people ask for it, they will get it. And when they had enough, they will reject it. Of have you forgotten what a democracy is in all your intelligence? Have you gotten so smart that you don't remember how this republic of ours works? Or is it that you only think your intelligent and really don't have a clue?
We have a government that has decided that the restrictions in the constitution are meaningless, that they can spy on us at will with zero oversight and zero recourse to the law. They have decided that they can take anybody away to a third world shithole to be tortured and murdered on a whim with zero oversight and zero recourse to the law. So I'm really not sure what world you're living in, but that is quite obviously only possible in a police state. So if they start disappearing dissenters as they've clearly already laid the groundwork for your "change of mind", or more accurately your pulling your head out of your ass and dealing with reality in a rational manner will be meaningless. Given your nature and your character, you'll just roll over and keep licking boots. It's all you're doing at this point, so no reason to suspect you of ever doing anything else.
Of course, it's a little tough to "reject it" when they can tap all communications between those who would reject it. When they can disappear potential "troublemakers" at will. So, again, you claim that if we just wait until all the mechanisms of the police state are in place and accepted by the mass of the people that magically it will all go away. You keep making "arguments" that rely entirely on magic. You should stop doiung that if you don't want to be known as a fool.
The only thing that makes our situation different than any other time is that the power of the state to spy on, manipulate, and control its subjects is unprecedented.
I remember how this Republic is supposed to work, but I, unlike your deeply ignorant self am aware that it is not functioning in that manner. The defenses against tyranny have been systematically weakened, subverted, or destroyed. That means that the Republic is not functional and your "arguments" based on the assumption that it just magically works is entirely baseless. People like me are trying to get it working again. People like you are trying very hard to make sure it never can function again. Your apathy and your clearly demonstrated ignorance are what is helping make that happen.
Well, if you have mental problems and everyone is out to get you, I guess you might be right. But like I said, answer those questions and answer what I said inste
Are we living under a repressive government? I would think your ability to answer that means no.
Well, it's obviously no surprise to anybody that you're a fool.
When we cross that reality, I will change my mind.
Indeed, you have proven yourself to be deeply fucking stupid.
If you paid any attention to history, you would know we're sliding downhill fast. Since all the intelligent people have been pointing this out for years now in excruciating detail, you have no excuse whatsoever for not being aware of it...well except for your clearly demonstrated stupidity.
Now, it's is really fucking obvious to anybody with any sense at all that it will be far to late for you changing your mind to do anything at that point except to go "durrr I guess I should have pulled my head out of my ass and thought years ago".
Your level of stupidity is truly amazing though.
"We're not in a complete and total police state yet although we're well on our way, but once we are completely fucked I'll then start dealing with it."
Once more for the record. You are a god damned idiot. That is not an ad hominem attack. It is the inevitable conclusion one has to make after reading the idiotic crap you wrote.