Things are slowly going to get better with Linux, but they continue to get better with windows and Windows is likely to always be ahead. Again learn to read. I never said windows will always be ahead of Linux.
My, not only a liar, but an artless one at that. No wonder your claim to be a developer sounded fishy.
Keep it year-for-year compatible. This "Windows blows the pants off Linux" stuff, followed by an admission, upon post-beating it out of you, that you're running the latest Windows while the only Linux you've ever seen is Caldera, gets kind of old the 500th time you've replayed it. I mean, I could stick it in reverse and compare Fedora Core 4 to Windows 3.0 and come out all kinds of ahead...
Something that proprietary software users don't know about FOSS is that free/open source software matures FAST. You snarf a copy of a new utility that's nothing but a text-mode program that flakes out, and you dump it and forget about it. A week later, you discuss your negative experience, but by then that same utility has a GTK frontend, a themable interface, a book of documentation, and has been ported to three other platforms. Next month, it goes 3.0 and everybody derides it as bloatware.
Free Software never sleeps. The sun never sets on Open Source development.
You are either trolling or have some other agenda.
Hey, dude, I picked up a common misconception at the end of your post which does a hell of a lot of damage in the mass mind by being perpetuated, and pointed that out to you with gentle, even self-mocking sarcasm. Don't post here if you can't handle it. Jesus, you should see somebody really troll you. Do you threaten to kill people next?
PS An *active developer* who asserts that Windows "will always be ahead of Linux", and waxes nostalgic about Caldera?
Oh, yes, indeed! All you have to do is say "I brought the world the FOX network! I hired Bill O'Reilly! Married with Children was *my* idea!", and kings and queens step aside...
Well first off I am a developer and I'm active in open source projects.
So's everybody and their mother. OK, how do you explain how you've ever beheld a worthy user interface (whatever process-hogging, gilded, chocolaty, chrome-encrusted behomoth that might be) - perchance Enlightenment 16/17 or the newest, sexiest Macs - if there were a fundamental block between being a developer and understanding what a user-friendly interface is? If developers do not write good interfaces, and *all* interfaces are written by developers (until we learn to grow them on trees, anyway), then how could you have ever seen a good interface? So, you'll blanket-condemn ALL developers using the popular myth (sung by many toungues on Slashdot) that computers are in fact as natural as apples, and it's only the evil programmers who deliberately make computers hard just to be mean, and the inherent complexities of binary, assembler, file permissions, database management, C languages, scripting, and byte storage, etc., are just figments pulled whole from developer's rectums so they can watch the poor confused user confounded at all the invented complexity while they snicker into their keyboards?
If I headed a project where I had you on the team and I caught you making a comment like that, I'd probably kick you off. Programming is hard enough without pouring soebody's sour vinegar all over it.
Developers have different ideas about user friendliness than end users.
One wonders, if developers are as evil as you're making them out to be, why they even made the software available to you at all. I guess all their hard work, sleepless nights of coding, hours poring over man pages, and rigorous Beta testing was just to spite you, huh? God is there no END to the TREACHERYYYYYYYY?
Must it always zoom STRAIGHT to sex? Can you never discuss anything focusing the give and take of the conversation to and from the OTHER end of your body? And I've mentioned on/. many times before, my wife and daughter use Linux and love it just like I do. Y-O-U are the one who keeps with this "complexity"=="no girls allowed" B.S., so you're just projecting YOUR sexist views onto me. And I wouldn't want ANYTHING of yours on me. Especially since, as much as you beat on your feminity, you're probably not even a female.
Things don't have to be as fucked up as Windows to be as easy as Windows.
Yeah, and you don't have to WORK like a millionaire to be AS RICH as one! Ha, yes, I see now how easy it is! Just say it and believe it, and it's so! Why are you in here dinging at me when you could be out solving the world's problems with your superpowers?
It's people like you that are preventing this, and I see no amusment in that.
Aw, gee. And I suppose you see no amusement in the fact that I assassinated Kennedy, kidnapped the Lindberg baby, hid the UFOs at Area 51, rigged the lottery all year so you didn't win, and snuck into the McDonald's when you get drive-thru and slipped extra carbs into your Big Mac so you'd get fat? Darn, that usually brings down the house. OH, SHIT, I FORGOT I HAD THE ENTIRE UBUNTU DEVELOPMENT TEAM GAGGED AND BOUND IN MY BASEMENT SO THEY CAN'T GIVE YOU A SOURCE-BASED UBUNTU WITH PORTAGE! I gotta FEED them! Be right back!
No, it's not "no girls allowed" but "no fruitcakes (of either sex) allowed". See...wait a minute, this works for everybody, so gather round, folks... see, when you like Linux, you use Linux, and when you like Windows, you use Windows. Ditto for the hundred *other* operating systems out there. But when you go "Ooooh, I want Linux, but I want Linux to be more like Windows, except for the parts that look more like MacIntosh, then I want it to be more like Open Solaris, except I want the BSD thing on the side but I want it to taste like Plan 9 from Bell Labs only with twice the chocolately taste at half the calories..." when you go on like that, you, in fact, have absolutely NO CLUE what you want, and hence nothing could please you.
PS What's it like to be able to blame everybody else for your own ineptitude at learning anything? Does that help you deal with the world, or what? Now understand, I have no idea if you're stewing or emotionless or what, but I assure you, there's no hard feeling on my end. I talk this way because I honestly believe there's some important things for people to realize. With you, I see somebody at war with the world and raging at anybody who comes near. In your best interest, maybe you could just try living in the world you have, since after all, you don't have much choice on *that* matter, now, do you?
Eventually I figured out other ways to cope, and don't use it anymore.
You just got through telling me here, that you used to take the drug, then stopped, and now you're just fine anyway. See, pneumonia is a real disease, and you take antibiotics for it, and if you stop taking the antibiotics, you get sick again and possibly sicker. Diabetes is a real disease, and diabetics have to take insulin, and if they stop taking it, they can die. Heart disease is very real, and people with it have to take glycerine, and if they don't take it, their heart attack risk goes up. I've known people with various kinds of depression, obsessive-cumpulsive, even the odd schitzophrenic. With all of them, meds=better; without meds=worse. Your defense is that you took some pills which seemed to help for awhile, but then stopped and you're OK anyway. Is it surprising that I don't consider this ironclad proof?
"Chemical Lobotomy" - I was referring more to very young children being put on it for life. As an adult, I'm just as fine with you taking whatever you like - consenting adults and all that. Little kids who have to take it don't get your choices. I've seen the sad stories, I've known the side effects secondhand - I've known people with everything from epilepsy to manic-depressive disorder who were simply labeled ADHD cases, no further attempt at diagnosis made until they sought out a second opinion on their own or their parents did. Knew one kid tried to commit suicide on the stuff - called them his "good boy pills" and wrote a note saying he was going to be a good boy forever. Lucky he failed his attempt. Then he got real help for the depression he was suffering and the abusive home he was in. Knew another guy was pretty bright, but bored to death in school so of course acted up, so they medded him. When a kid can finish the entire book on the first week of class, does that sound like his attention is in deficit? After the meds, he dropped three grades and took about two minutes to finish his sentences. But he sure was a well-behaved zombie afterwards. He's probably a good little gear in the system about now.
Now *add* to that the 90,000 hits I get from Google typing "ADHD hoax". No, I'm not alone in my opinion at all. But it's my gut instinct that's telling me: it's a sham. But hey, it's your medical insurance, do with it what you will!
See, that's just another program to add to the FOSS world. Always good news!
You might check out Enlightenment - that thing is so customizable, that one style or another can make it look like a completely different system. The Elive-CD 0.4, just released last month, has a good implementation. I also hear that Fvwm is so malable, it can be made to look like any WM you choose.
While you're on fire to bring an improved desktop to the masses, can I just mutter something? X is clunky and kludgey, and it's time we had an alternative to X itself; as anybody who's ever hacked xwmconfig from the command line can attest. There, I'm done muttering.
I'm sorry, but what happened to "choice"? Oh, right... your choice, not mine.
I was wondering when you'd show up again! I missed your witty banter.
You have your choice. You made your choice. You chose Windows. Stick with it. You have no interest in switching to Linux. You just want to ruin it so it'll be just as stupid as your system, and then everybody else will be just as sour as you. Except that won't work, because even if you succeed in pissing on Linux, we'll just shrug and go to BSD or Open Solaris. And here you'll come ten years later...
Flame me all you want. Argue with the laws of nature all you want. Nothing amuses me like seeing somebody plunge off a cliff while screaming that gravity just isn't so.
So people with legitimate complaints about your software are deadheads?
Yes, EXACTLY! Sorry. What kind of hypocrite are you, to imply that I'd get any warmer reception to barge into Microsoft and start pushing them around? "OK, we're replacing DOS with Bash, the kernel code will be *OPEN*, godammit, toss out wmv and replace it with xine, and we're breaking compatibility with Photoshop and bundling Gimp with every release!"
Hey, if I was PAYING for my operating system like Windows users are, I'd at least have legitimate gripes to complain I'm not getting my money's worth. Yet here's the Microsoft users, storming on Linux...no thought given to how they could try to get Microsoft to give them their money's worth! Nope, we're just gonna barge into somebody else's labor of love that they give away freely and tell them how much they suck.
Of COURSE you're entitled. To go to hell and choke. And keep right on using that Windows you worship so much. Sucker!
It's reasons just like this that I use Window Maker and Fluxbox (E and Xfce are nice, too). Except when I'm testing a new live CD and my *only* option is to look at a faux-Windows desktop. Then...I use the console...and note my displeasure in my review.
If you let us Linux geeks take over Microsoft and turn it into Linux, we'll let you turn Linux into Windows. Then everybody will be happy?
By the way: Could one of you Windows users, any lovely one of you at all, explain to me why you're so hot to use Linux if Windows is all you love? Because whatever's lacking in Windows that's making you switch to Linux, shouldn't you just stick with Windows and complain to Bill gates to give you what you want - whatever it is that you're not getting? I mean, come on, Microsoft is getting your money - surely you have more sway with MS than you do with a bunch of hobbyist hippies who are doing it for free, anyway?
geeks who now rant against MS who would be trying to create a new OS..different from Win/Mac/*nix.
Yep, and that's exactly why I made a point this year of downloading one each of BSD, Open Solaris, Plan 9 from Bell Labs, and GNU/HURD: just to try each one on for size to see which one I want to jump to after the peabrains ruin Linux. I have a feeling you'll like the full story.
If you like the way windows runs and acts, use it.
We're in this together, kid! We'll drum some sense into this mob!
Hey, let's make a deal with them! If we can take over Microsoft and change it into Linux, they can have our Linux and change it into Microsoft. Problem solved!
And THIS is the problem with Linux fundies. "Why change it? It works".
The day I am allowed to crack into Microsoft's code base and change it all into Linux is the day Windows-deadheads have the right to take over my Linux and turn it into a Windows clone. Thank you for playing, your consolation prize is three hours meditation time in the back yard.
Yes, there's another excellent suggestion. Let the people with the problems pay for support. There's that capitalism everybody's worried is missing from Linux and making it too communist. Hey, Red Hat and Suse and Mandriva already do this, don't they?
Yeah, and let's hear the Windows users' guesses as to what keys, in combination with the famous "Windows" key, do what where. That should make for good entertainment.
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My, not only a liar, but an artless one at that. No wonder your claim to be a developer sounded fishy.
Something that proprietary software users don't know about FOSS is that free/open source software matures FAST. You snarf a copy of a new utility that's nothing but a text-mode program that flakes out, and you dump it and forget about it. A week later, you discuss your negative experience, but by then that same utility has a GTK frontend, a themable interface, a book of documentation, and has been ported to three other platforms. Next month, it goes 3.0 and everybody derides it as bloatware.
Free Software never sleeps. The sun never sets on Open Source development.
Hey, dude, I picked up a common misconception at the end of your post which does a hell of a lot of damage in the mass mind by being perpetuated, and pointed that out to you with gentle, even self-mocking sarcasm. Don't post here if you can't handle it. Jesus, you should see somebody really troll you. Do you threaten to kill people next?
PS An *active developer* who asserts that Windows "will always be ahead of Linux", and waxes nostalgic about Caldera?
But what if you flush and you get a buffer overflow?
Oh, yes, indeed! All you have to do is say "I brought the world the FOX network! I hired Bill O'Reilly! Married with Children was *my* idea!", and kings and queens step aside...
Accoona Matata...what a wonderful phrase! Accoona Matata - ain't no passing cra-a-aze....
By the way, I run both Slackware *and* Mandriva. Cuz sumtimes I feel like a nut...sometimes I dont...
One thing I would like to see would be a GUI front-end to the configure, make, make install process.
here, catch.
They'll grow back. I'm a starfish.
So's everybody and their mother. OK, how do you explain how you've ever beheld a worthy user interface (whatever process-hogging, gilded, chocolaty, chrome-encrusted behomoth that might be) - perchance Enlightenment 16/17 or the newest, sexiest Macs - if there were a fundamental block between being a developer and understanding what a user-friendly interface is? If developers do not write good interfaces, and *all* interfaces are written by developers (until we learn to grow them on trees, anyway), then how could you have ever seen a good interface? So, you'll blanket-condemn ALL developers using the popular myth (sung by many toungues on Slashdot) that computers are in fact as natural as apples, and it's only the evil programmers who deliberately make computers hard just to be mean, and the inherent complexities of binary, assembler, file permissions, database management, C languages, scripting, and byte storage, etc., are just figments pulled whole from developer's rectums so they can watch the poor confused user confounded at all the invented complexity while they snicker into their keyboards?
If I headed a project where I had you on the team and I caught you making a comment like that, I'd probably kick you off. Programming is hard enough without pouring soebody's sour vinegar all over it.
One wonders, if developers are as evil as you're making them out to be, why they even made the software available to you at all. I guess all their hard work, sleepless nights of coding, hours poring over man pages, and rigorous Beta testing was just to spite you, huh? God is there no END to the TREACHERYYYYYYYY?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Must it always zoom STRAIGHT to sex? Can you never discuss anything focusing the give and take of the conversation to and from the OTHER end of your body? And I've mentioned on /. many times before, my wife and daughter use Linux and love it just like I do. Y-O-U are the one who keeps with this "complexity"=="no girls allowed" B.S., so you're just projecting YOUR sexist views onto me. And I wouldn't want ANYTHING of yours on me. Especially since, as much as you beat on your feminity, you're probably not even a female.
Things don't have to be as fucked up as Windows to be as easy as Windows.
Yeah, and you don't have to WORK like a millionaire to be AS RICH as one! Ha, yes, I see now how easy it is! Just say it and believe it, and it's so! Why are you in here dinging at me when you could be out solving the world's problems with your superpowers?
It's people like you that are preventing this, and I see no amusment in that.
Aw, gee. And I suppose you see no amusement in the fact that I assassinated Kennedy, kidnapped the Lindberg baby, hid the UFOs at Area 51, rigged the lottery all year so you didn't win, and snuck into the McDonald's when you get drive-thru and slipped extra carbs into your Big Mac so you'd get fat? Darn, that usually brings down the house. OH, SHIT, I FORGOT I HAD THE ENTIRE UBUNTU DEVELOPMENT TEAM GAGGED AND BOUND IN MY BASEMENT SO THEY CAN'T GIVE YOU A SOURCE-BASED UBUNTU WITH PORTAGE! I gotta FEED them! Be right back!
No, it's not "no girls allowed" but "no fruitcakes (of either sex) allowed". See...wait a minute, this works for everybody, so gather round, folks... see, when you like Linux, you use Linux, and when you like Windows, you use Windows. Ditto for the hundred *other* operating systems out there. But when you go "Ooooh, I want Linux, but I want Linux to be more like Windows, except for the parts that look more like MacIntosh, then I want it to be more like Open Solaris, except I want the BSD thing on the side but I want it to taste like Plan 9 from Bell Labs only with twice the chocolately taste at half the calories..." when you go on like that, you, in fact, have absolutely NO CLUE what you want, and hence nothing could please you.
PS What's it like to be able to blame everybody else for your own ineptitude at learning anything? Does that help you deal with the world, or what? Now understand, I have no idea if you're stewing or emotionless or what, but I assure you, there's no hard feeling on my end. I talk this way because I honestly believe there's some important things for people to realize. With you, I see somebody at war with the world and raging at anybody who comes near. In your best interest, maybe you could just try living in the world you have, since after all, you don't have much choice on *that* matter, now, do you?
You just got through telling me here, that you used to take the drug, then stopped, and now you're just fine anyway. See, pneumonia is a real disease, and you take antibiotics for it, and if you stop taking the antibiotics, you get sick again and possibly sicker. Diabetes is a real disease, and diabetics have to take insulin, and if they stop taking it, they can die. Heart disease is very real, and people with it have to take glycerine, and if they don't take it, their heart attack risk goes up. I've known people with various kinds of depression, obsessive-cumpulsive, even the odd schitzophrenic. With all of them, meds=better; without meds=worse. Your defense is that you took some pills which seemed to help for awhile, but then stopped and you're OK anyway. Is it surprising that I don't consider this ironclad proof?
"Chemical Lobotomy" - I was referring more to very young children being put on it for life. As an adult, I'm just as fine with you taking whatever you like - consenting adults and all that. Little kids who have to take it don't get your choices. I've seen the sad stories, I've known the side effects secondhand - I've known people with everything from epilepsy to manic-depressive disorder who were simply labeled ADHD cases, no further attempt at diagnosis made until they sought out a second opinion on their own or their parents did. Knew one kid tried to commit suicide on the stuff - called them his "good boy pills" and wrote a note saying he was going to be a good boy forever. Lucky he failed his attempt. Then he got real help for the depression he was suffering and the abusive home he was in. Knew another guy was pretty bright, but bored to death in school so of course acted up, so they medded him. When a kid can finish the entire book on the first week of class, does that sound like his attention is in deficit? After the meds, he dropped three grades and took about two minutes to finish his sentences. But he sure was a well-behaved zombie afterwards. He's probably a good little gear in the system about now.
Now *add* to that the 90,000 hits I get from Google typing "ADHD hoax". No, I'm not alone in my opinion at all. But it's my gut instinct that's telling me: it's a sham. But hey, it's your medical insurance, do with it what you will!
You might check out Enlightenment - that thing is so customizable, that one style or another can make it look like a completely different system. The Elive-CD 0.4, just released last month, has a good implementation. I also hear that Fvwm is so malable, it can be made to look like any WM you choose.
While you're on fire to bring an improved desktop to the masses, can I just mutter something? X is clunky and kludgey, and it's time we had an alternative to X itself; as anybody who's ever hacked xwmconfig from the command line can attest. There, I'm done muttering.
I was wondering when you'd show up again! I missed your witty banter.
You have your choice. You made your choice. You chose Windows. Stick with it. You have no interest in switching to Linux. You just want to ruin it so it'll be just as stupid as your system, and then everybody else will be just as sour as you. Except that won't work, because even if you succeed in pissing on Linux, we'll just shrug and go to BSD or Open Solaris. And here you'll come ten years later...
Flame me all you want. Argue with the laws of nature all you want. Nothing amuses me like seeing somebody plunge off a cliff while screaming that gravity just isn't so.
Yes, EXACTLY! Sorry. What kind of hypocrite are you, to imply that I'd get any warmer reception to barge into Microsoft and start pushing them around? "OK, we're replacing DOS with Bash, the kernel code will be *OPEN*, godammit, toss out wmv and replace it with xine, and we're breaking compatibility with Photoshop and bundling Gimp with every release!"
Hey, if I was PAYING for my operating system like Windows users are, I'd at least have legitimate gripes to complain I'm not getting my money's worth. Yet here's the Microsoft users, storming on Linux...no thought given to how they could try to get Microsoft to give them their money's worth! Nope, we're just gonna barge into somebody else's labor of love that they give away freely and tell them how much they suck.
Of COURSE you're entitled. To go to hell and choke. And keep right on using that Windows you worship so much. Sucker!
It's reasons just like this that I use Window Maker and Fluxbox (E and Xfce are nice, too). Except when I'm testing a new live CD and my *only* option is to look at a faux-Windows desktop. Then...I use the console...and note my displeasure in my review.
By the way: Could one of you Windows users, any lovely one of you at all, explain to me why you're so hot to use Linux if Windows is all you love? Because whatever's lacking in Windows that's making you switch to Linux, shouldn't you just stick with Windows and complain to Bill gates to give you what you want - whatever it is that you're not getting? I mean, come on, Microsoft is getting your money - surely you have more sway with MS than you do with a bunch of hobbyist hippies who are doing it for free, anyway?
Gee, no, I don't realize it. Could it be because you're wrong?
Yep, and that's exactly why I made a point this year of downloading one each of BSD, Open Solaris, Plan 9 from Bell Labs, and GNU/HURD: just to try each one on for size to see which one I want to jump to after the peabrains ruin Linux. I have a feeling you'll like the full story.
We're in this together, kid! We'll drum some sense into this mob!
Hey, let's make a deal with them! If we can take over Microsoft and change it into Linux, they can have our Linux and change it into Microsoft. Problem solved!
The day I am allowed to crack into Microsoft's code base and change it all into Linux is the day Windows-deadheads have the right to take over my Linux and turn it into a Windows clone. Thank you for playing, your consolation prize is three hours meditation time in the back yard.
Yes, there's another excellent suggestion. Let the people with the problems pay for support. There's that capitalism everybody's worried is missing from Linux and making it too communist. Hey, Red Hat and Suse and Mandriva already do this, don't they?
You have excellent ideas. Now, go write them up into a new operating system and leave mine alone. If yours makes it, I'll give it a try.
Yeah, and let's hear the Windows users' guesses as to what keys, in combination with the famous "Windows" key, do what where. That should make for good entertainment.