Nahhhh, I'll let some other penguin get that. I wanted to point out that those handy little "uninstall" dialogs on Windows rarely do the trick cleanly. For instance, I clearly recall where uninstalling the "Sims" and it's half-dozen expansion packs left a "Maxis" directory over a Gigabyte in size.
By the way, how is Windows *less* inconsistant in where it installs programs? I had everything scattered from heck to pokey when I ran Windows. Stuff in C:\, C:\Windows, C:\Program Files...ever tried to track down every last cookie on your system? They hide in some half-dozen folders. You didn't think that little "Disk-Cleanup" utility actually finds *everything*, did you?
but when the rubber meets the pavement, they're not walking the walk
Tricorder readings, Mr. Spock
It appears to be a deliberate splicing of two seperate metaphors.
Can you make sense of it?
It is speech, Jim...but not as we know it.
However if the learning curve is too steep for the average user, they aren't going to bother, and will stick with what they know
I have no problem with that at all. I LOVE my Linux console, the more difficult the tool is to use, the better. Because Stealth Bombers are more difficult to use than tricycles BECAUSE THEY CAN FLY. Meanwhile, the user chose Windows - let them stick with it.
that makes it so difficult for Linux to gain acceptance.
I don't give a damn if anybody else but me uses Linux, ever.
It doesn't have to "work for you", it has to "work for THEM",
No, it doesn't have to do anything. If it works for me, it's good for me, and if it doesn't work for them, they can go find something that does.
and if it works for you too, then that's even better.
Why would we be having a problem if there was a one-size-fits-all solution? I know for a fact that 90% of users out there would die screaming if they had to deal with my machine the way I have it set up - but it's how I like it. See above argument. Since when did Linux stop being about choice and start being about grouping everybody into yet another bunch of Borgs? I made my choice. It's Linux. Others made their choice. It's Windows. So be it. I don't crack into Microsoft's code base and rebuild the MS system to be exactly like Linux. I don't see where a bunch of Windows zeolots have any more right to piss in my Linux so it tastes better to them and ruins it for me.
OK, please demonstrate where being a copycat is the sure path to overwhealming success. Even Microsoft Windows 3.1 stopped at monkeying the MacIntosh GUI; it still had many un-MacIntoshlike features (and guess what? I first came to Windows from a Mac, and surprise, surprise, I had a learning curve!)
will come greater uptake.
Listen to yourself, will you? We're GIVING IT AWAY!!!!! Hello??? What is the benefit of conquering the planet, here? To what end? Granted, some support contracts. Like Linux experts have a hard time getting a job now?
Bottom line: if you want Windows, you know where to get it, and you're welcome to it. I've never twisted anybody's arm to use Linux, and it is an act of collosal stupidity to turn Linux into "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows!(TM)" just to make users of one system feel more at home. I could see having one or two distros be "ex-Windows-user-friendly"; that's fine, that's choice, that's what Linux is all about. Steamrolling *all* of Linux into a Windows-clone takes away *my* choices of wanting a system as different from Windows as possible.
Thank God I'm not the only one screaming this into the void anymore. People are finally starting to wake up. Where have you all BEEN for five years?
Russian Ambassador DeSadeski: "There are those of us who fought against it, but in the end we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. And at the same time our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we'd been spending on defense in a single year. But the deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap."
President Muffley: "This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that."
meetings, deadlines, and paperwork are so important
And of course, when our whole lives must revolve around office work, there's something wrong with US, not society, oh no. Strangely, NONE of nature's creatures are suited to the insanely inhumane treatment humans force on each other, and yet we see lack of ability to adapt to our little cubicle-housed concentration camps as a deficit. Damn nature, didn't make us Borg enough!
Have you considered that maybe you're actually just fricking brilliant, and if you took some of those advantages and put them to work for yourself in the career you always dreamed of having instead of the one you have now, that your "disease" might turn into a "gift"?
So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
Consider that the "cure" here is worse than the "disease". Only a few decades ago, we considered electro-shock and lobotomy viable treatment for the mentally ill, whose numbers even included those "afflicted" with homosexuality or mis-diagnosed with nymphomania. We've graduated from electic torture and slicing the brain into chunks - now I say it's time we did away with chemical lobotomy as well. Yes, even if there WERE such thing as ADD and giving them Ritalin DID help them, there is enough controversy over whether this disease even exists, enough horror stories I've heard from victims of misdiagnosis and mistreatment (seriously, we're gonna force-feed stimulants to this kid from aged five upward based on a WHIM???) to warrant revocation of all authority to pronounce it as a diagnosis.
Show me where a majority of people are suffering as much from the LACK of Ritalin as they were with it, I'd relent. But just Google "ADHD hoax" without the quotes - some 90,000 hits come in. There's gotta be some room for skepticism, here. I'm sorry if this makes you sad, but you, too, were probably hoaxed - unless you were taking it for your own kicks, in which case I say "More power to you!"
OK, now, all kidding aside. Do you have any idea how completely you can screw somebody up by giving them stimulants all their lives from kindergarten on? I'm not bothering with the links; instead, type "ADHD hoax" without the quotes in Google and read the 90,000-something hits - I'm hardly a Lone Ranger in this opinion.
Now, consider that somewhere back in history, shock treatment and lobotomy were considered viable treatments for such mild "diseases" as homosexuality. Thank God, we outlasted this savage time when we thought electrotorture and chopping the brain up into bits were the best treatment. Now all we have to do is throw Lobotomy-by-Chemistry on the same pyre and we can at last begin the civilized age of psychiatry. High time we got to it, it's 2006!
Ditto with the witch-hunts over media of ANY type or ANY variety of ANY persuasion being a puppet master pulling your strings, whose whims you have no choice but to obey. Get kids. Raise them. Discover for yourself that, unless you blindfold them, earplug them, and chain them in a bare room for 18 years, there is no possible way to filter every single media influence from reaching a child. So, if we're all helpless pawns of video games, TV shows, movies, music, Internet, cell phones, newspapers, books, smoke signals, puppet shows, operas, polka bands, WW2 footage, and bird songs, then explain how some majority of the 6.3 billion humans on this planet are able to determine their own behavior independent of what the media influences signal them to do?
No, hey, wait, explain a better one: how did bad things ever happen BEFORE industrial media methods were invented, huh? Where did the violence in the video game COME FROM???? How did the FIRST PROGRAMMER become exposed to violence? Movies, yeah, well how did the FIRST DIRECTOR become exposed to violence? See, we can chase our tails all the way back to the first Mesopotamian scribe, and ask where did all the influence to HIM come from? And in the end, we will have explained nor solved nothing.
Censoring all forms of media based on imagined deleterious effects is akin to shock therapy and lobotomy and Ritalin abuse in this way: it is so wrong, that even if it WERE RIGHT, it would still be a better world if we turned around and did the opposite, anyway. The "cure" is worse than the "disease", and once we get the demons and fairies out of our cultural consciousness, we can get down to the serious work of really SOLVING our problems.
Heeeey, you didn't get the Monopoly thing was a joke? YOU MUST have ADHD, then! And even when you already moderated a discussion and have to come back as an AC to post, your spelling/grammer ALWAYS give you away!
Studies have indeed shown a causal relationship between video games and hyperactivity, attention deficit, and violence. Does this mean we burn all games?
No, that means we put you in the same boat with the assholes who say they only killed 15 people because they ate too many twinkies, the Moral Majority condemning Alice Cooper for making kids queer, the morons who declare that violent movies, TV, etc makes people violent, the mental midgets playing records backwards to hear the hidden Satanic messages, and the snake charmers and palm readers and faith healers and astrologers. Then we set that boat on fire and shove it away from shore, because your type are the fleas on the logical thinking of public debate.
Oops, did I just flame? Well, see, it's not my fault. I played too much Monopoly as a kid, and it warped me so that I have this overcompetitive personality. All you have to know is, don't even F***ING come between me and an unclaimed railroad deed!
When we took our son to the doctor to be diagnosed, the first one said "ADHD: I'm going to put him on Ritalin." without glancing at the kid, hearing any of the symptoms, reading his file, nothing. I said words to the effect of "Bullshit." and went over her head to a senior doctor, who correctly pegged him as Cerebral Palsy (CAT scans to back it up!) and some effects of Autism (ringing right through the list of symptoms!).
Folks, I have met about 100 Ritalin victims in my life, and every last one of them were either misdiagnosed or had nothing wrong at all before getting doped up. They used to call it "hyperactivity" and "dyslexia". It's proper name is "Bullshit" and if you aren't assertive about it, you'll be gambling with your children's lives. Every expert in the industry says so, and the only people you'll find saying different are the lowest-level beaurocrats - the lowest paid, coincidentally - could there be kickbacks involved?
Pardon the hyperbole, there really is info on this out there, but I'm too lazy to Google today.
If you're hot to develop the next Big Thing in appliances connected to the web, it's time to look at: sexbots. Take one blow-up vinyl doll, add some light machinery (with low-trigger pressure cutoffs for safety sake), screens for faces (to show your partner's webcam shot, natch), and controls which can be operated wirelessly. The interface should be simple enough to work from a cellphone and movements sequences should be recordable.
There's already a slew of gizmos out there to help couples feel intimately close when they're a world apart (here's another one); this would just be the final piece of the puzzle. All it is is cybersex with moving parts - message with *both* hands on the keyboard for a change. You'd be a millionaire, there'd be fewer wars because nobody would come out of their apartments for weeks, and the human race would gradually become extinct.
Why would someone tell the truth if they didn't believe it was in their best interest, i.e. for profit?
Well, see, this story's example shows "the truth will always out." This is another one of those shifting paradigms you heard your PHB muttering about. In the present information age, with a battalion of bloggers on the job and snoopers ferreting to the very bottom of the data pile, it's damn near impossible to keep anything secret. So, you publicly deny that your product has *any* flaws, then get caught; you look bad in the long term. Or you frankly discuss the flaws up-front; you look bad in the short-term, but better in the long term, especially since you openly invite assistance from all concerned to find bugs and suggest ways to fix them, driving many of the flaws out anyway.
Conclusion: Free/Open Source Developers *are* telling the truth in their best interest; they're just thinking farther ahead.
The stock market figures will be restricted under DRM next?
PS You can get similar effects on a Linux box by catting various files to/dev/audio;/dev/hd0 or/dev/random for instance. Here's a good reference. I actually tried piping the mouse to audio once and got something like the results described; I was on the verge of recording some "mouseophone" music when I think I got bored and went on to something else.
we need MORE! How about those of you who find these colossally stupid acts of the government you pay for offensive rise up and act on your primal impulses and go wreck havoc on the government buildings, paying special attention to the throats of the officiates thereof. Then we can pass legislation that bans the use of stupid government, on the grounds that it makes people commit violent acts.
What an inane question is this eBooks business. Look, besides eBooks, I have paper books, web pages, HTML tarballs,.pdf documents,.ps documents, TeX format, docbook, the Gutenberg project, the O'Reilly Open-Books project, and samizdat photocopies. I can also mute the TV and read the crawl (TV is at it's best this way, IMO). I have all the works available at the public library, beit paper books or audio books on cassette or CD. Lastly, I can pick from several gillon newspapers and magazines, or scoop free independent local 'bloids at the coffee-house. My "to-read" list of books that people have recommended to me hangs over my head like a Damoclean sword threatening to sever the taut thread of my peace of mind in moments of restful repose.
In the middle of all this, you offer the tool which would have given a thundering woody to any of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Musolini, to say naught of George Bush, namely the DRM with which we may usher in the Farenheit 451 of tomorrow to imprison wisdom and knowledge for all time, and marvel that I do not hasten to tie your rope around my neck and kick the stool out from under me. Big F-ing mystery, huh?
You're an embarrassment to the slug you were in a previous life.
Can somebody please tell me whether it's pronounced "Soos" or "SOO-zee" in English??? Just when I think I have it right, somebody comes along and corrects me. About ten times, now.
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Nahhhh, I'll let some other penguin get that. I wanted to point out that those handy little "uninstall" dialogs on Windows rarely do the trick cleanly. For instance, I clearly recall where uninstalling the "Sims" and it's half-dozen expansion packs left a "Maxis" directory over a Gigabyte in size.
By the way, how is Windows *less* inconsistant in where it installs programs? I had everything scattered from heck to pokey when I ran Windows. Stuff in C:\, C:\Windows, C:\Program Files...ever tried to track down every last cookie on your system? They hide in some half-dozen folders. You didn't think that little "Disk-Cleanup" utility actually finds *everything*, did you?
Tricorder readings, Mr. Spock
It appears to be a deliberate splicing of two seperate metaphors.
Can you make sense of it?
It is speech, Jim...but not as we know it.
I have no problem with that at all. I LOVE my Linux console, the more difficult the tool is to use, the better. Because Stealth Bombers are more difficult to use than tricycles BECAUSE THEY CAN FLY. Meanwhile, the user chose Windows - let them stick with it.
I don't give a damn if anybody else but me uses Linux, ever.
It doesn't have to "work for you", it has to "work for THEM",
No, it doesn't have to do anything. If it works for me, it's good for me, and if it doesn't work for them, they can go find something that does.
and if it works for you too, then that's even better.
Why would we be having a problem if there was a one-size-fits-all solution? I know for a fact that 90% of users out there would die screaming if they had to deal with my machine the way I have it set up - but it's how I like it. See above argument. Since when did Linux stop being about choice and start being about grouping everybody into yet another bunch of Borgs? I made my choice. It's Linux. Others made their choice. It's Windows. So be it. I don't crack into Microsoft's code base and rebuild the MS system to be exactly like Linux. I don't see where a bunch of Windows zeolots have any more right to piss in my Linux so it tastes better to them and ruins it for me.
OK, please demonstrate where being a copycat is the sure path to overwhealming success. Even Microsoft Windows 3.1 stopped at monkeying the MacIntosh GUI; it still had many un-MacIntoshlike features (and guess what? I first came to Windows from a Mac, and surprise, surprise, I had a learning curve!)
will come greater uptake.
Listen to yourself, will you? We're GIVING IT AWAY!!!!! Hello??? What is the benefit of conquering the planet, here? To what end? Granted, some support contracts. Like Linux experts have a hard time getting a job now?
Bottom line: if you want Windows, you know where to get it, and you're welcome to it. I've never twisted anybody's arm to use Linux, and it is an act of collosal stupidity to turn Linux into "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows!(TM)" just to make users of one system feel more at home. I could see having one or two distros be "ex-Windows-user-friendly"; that's fine, that's choice, that's what Linux is all about. Steamrolling *all* of Linux into a Windows-clone takes away *my* choices of wanting a system as different from Windows as possible.
Thank God I'm not the only one screaming this into the void anymore. People are finally starting to wake up. Where have you all BEEN for five years?
President Muffley: "This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that."
DeSadeski: "Our source was the New York Times."
And of course, when our whole lives must revolve around office work, there's something wrong with US, not society, oh no. Strangely, NONE of nature's creatures are suited to the insanely inhumane treatment humans force on each other, and yet we see lack of ability to adapt to our little cubicle-housed concentration camps as a deficit. Damn nature, didn't make us Borg enough!
Have you considered that maybe you're actually just fricking brilliant, and if you took some of those advantages and put them to work for yourself in the career you always dreamed of having instead of the one you have now, that your "disease" might turn into a "gift"?
Well, see, there's this so-called disease called "ADHD", OK, and about half the comments on TFA revolve around Ritalin.
I'm not even sure why I bother to reply
This stopped being fun for me, too. Winning arguments with you is like hunting dairy cattle with a Stealth Bomber.
Consider that the "cure" here is worse than the "disease". Only a few decades ago, we considered electro-shock and lobotomy viable treatment for the mentally ill, whose numbers even included those "afflicted" with homosexuality or mis-diagnosed with nymphomania. We've graduated from electic torture and slicing the brain into chunks - now I say it's time we did away with chemical lobotomy as well. Yes, even if there WERE such thing as ADD and giving them Ritalin DID help them, there is enough controversy over whether this disease even exists, enough horror stories I've heard from victims of misdiagnosis and mistreatment (seriously, we're gonna force-feed stimulants to this kid from aged five upward based on a WHIM???) to warrant revocation of all authority to pronounce it as a diagnosis.
Show me where a majority of people are suffering as much from the LACK of Ritalin as they were with it, I'd relent. But just Google "ADHD hoax" without the quotes - some 90,000 hits come in. There's gotta be some room for skepticism, here. I'm sorry if this makes you sad, but you, too, were probably hoaxed - unless you were taking it for your own kicks, in which case I say "More power to you!"
See, that's just the kind of thing that would trip me up if I posted AC. Are we Captain Missing-the-Point today? (-:
OK, now, all kidding aside. Do you have any idea how completely you can screw somebody up by giving them stimulants all their lives from kindergarten on? I'm not bothering with the links; instead, type "ADHD hoax" without the quotes in Google and read the 90,000-something hits - I'm hardly a Lone Ranger in this opinion.
Now, consider that somewhere back in history, shock treatment and lobotomy were considered viable treatments for such mild "diseases" as homosexuality. Thank God, we outlasted this savage time when we thought electrotorture and chopping the brain up into bits were the best treatment. Now all we have to do is throw Lobotomy-by-Chemistry on the same pyre and we can at last begin the civilized age of psychiatry. High time we got to it, it's 2006!
Ditto with the witch-hunts over media of ANY type or ANY variety of ANY persuasion being a puppet master pulling your strings, whose whims you have no choice but to obey. Get kids. Raise them. Discover for yourself that, unless you blindfold them, earplug them, and chain them in a bare room for 18 years, there is no possible way to filter every single media influence from reaching a child. So, if we're all helpless pawns of video games, TV shows, movies, music, Internet, cell phones, newspapers, books, smoke signals, puppet shows, operas, polka bands, WW2 footage, and bird songs, then explain how some majority of the 6.3 billion humans on this planet are able to determine their own behavior independent of what the media influences signal them to do?
No, hey, wait, explain a better one: how did bad things ever happen BEFORE industrial media methods were invented, huh? Where did the violence in the video game COME FROM???? How did the FIRST PROGRAMMER become exposed to violence? Movies, yeah, well how did the FIRST DIRECTOR become exposed to violence? See, we can chase our tails all the way back to the first Mesopotamian scribe, and ask where did all the influence to HIM come from? And in the end, we will have explained nor solved nothing.
Censoring all forms of media based on imagined deleterious effects is akin to shock therapy and lobotomy and Ritalin abuse in this way: it is so wrong, that even if it WERE RIGHT, it would still be a better world if we turned around and did the opposite, anyway. The "cure" is worse than the "disease", and once we get the demons and fairies out of our cultural consciousness, we can get down to the serious work of really SOLVING our problems.
Heeeey, you didn't get the Monopoly thing was a joke? YOU MUST have ADHD, then! And even when you already moderated a discussion and have to come back as an AC to post, your spelling/grammer ALWAYS give you away!
you've been hoaxed. Wise up, at least for your kid's sake.
No, that means we put you in the same boat with the assholes who say they only killed 15 people because they ate too many twinkies, the Moral Majority condemning Alice Cooper for making kids queer, the morons who declare that violent movies, TV, etc makes people violent, the mental midgets playing records backwards to hear the hidden Satanic messages, and the snake charmers and palm readers and faith healers and astrologers. Then we set that boat on fire and shove it away from shore, because your type are the fleas on the logical thinking of public debate.
Oops, did I just flame? Well, see, it's not my fault. I played too much Monopoly as a kid, and it warped me so that I have this overcompetitive personality. All you have to know is, don't even F***ING come between me and an unclaimed railroad deed!
Folks, I have met about 100 Ritalin victims in my life, and every last one of them were either misdiagnosed or had nothing wrong at all before getting doped up. They used to call it "hyperactivity" and "dyslexia". It's proper name is "Bullshit" and if you aren't assertive about it, you'll be gambling with your children's lives. Every expert in the industry says so, and the only people you'll find saying different are the lowest-level beaurocrats - the lowest paid, coincidentally - could there be kickbacks involved?
Pardon the hyperbole, there really is info on this out there, but I'm too lazy to Google today.
There's already a slew of gizmos out there to help couples feel intimately close when they're a world apart (here's another one); this would just be the final piece of the puzzle. All it is is cybersex with moving parts - message with *both* hands on the keyboard for a change. You'd be a millionaire, there'd be fewer wars because nobody would come out of their apartments for weeks, and the human race would gradually become extinct.
Well, see, this story's example shows "the truth will always out." This is another one of those shifting paradigms you heard your PHB muttering about. In the present information age, with a battalion of bloggers on the job and snoopers ferreting to the very bottom of the data pile, it's damn near impossible to keep anything secret. So, you publicly deny that your product has *any* flaws, then get caught; you look bad in the long term. Or you frankly discuss the flaws up-front; you look bad in the short-term, but better in the long term, especially since you openly invite assistance from all concerned to find bugs and suggest ways to fix them, driving many of the flaws out anyway.
Conclusion: Free/Open Source Developers *are* telling the truth in their best interest; they're just thinking farther ahead.
PS You can get similar effects on a Linux box by catting various files to /dev/audio; /dev/hd0 or /dev/random for instance. Here's a good reference. I actually tried piping the mouse to audio once and got something like the results described; I was on the verge of recording some "mouseophone" music when I think I got bored and went on to something else.
we need MORE! How about those of you who find these colossally stupid acts of the government you pay for offensive rise up and act on your primal impulses and go wreck havoc on the government buildings, paying special attention to the throats of the officiates thereof. Then we can pass legislation that bans the use of stupid government, on the grounds that it makes people commit violent acts.
Since you let it remain a mystery which of the preceeding comments you were referring to, are we to assume that you were directing this at yourself?
In the middle of all this, you offer the tool which would have given a thundering woody to any of the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Musolini, to say naught of George Bush, namely the DRM with which we may usher in the Farenheit 451 of tomorrow to imprison wisdom and knowledge for all time, and marvel that I do not hasten to tie your rope around my neck and kick the stool out from under me. Big F-ing mystery, huh?
You're an embarrassment to the slug you were in a previous life.
Can somebody please tell me whether it's pronounced "Soos" or "SOO-zee" in English??? Just when I think I have it right, somebody comes along and corrects me. About ten times, now.
True, but as any skip-tracer can tell you, that's more than enough bread crumbs to follow the trail to the data you want.
PS RE: your sig. General Failure is in the same unit with Colonel Panic.
Dammit, I just visited the site @ 7:55 PM EST 3/9/06 and it's still UP! Come on, people, more hits!