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An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo! News is reporting that in a recent speech to fellow stationers and newspaper makers, Rupert Murdoch has stated that the 'newspaper industry needs to embrace the technological revolution of the Internet, MP3 players, laptops and mobile phones or face extinction.'"

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  1. Analog data distribution is dead... by JDSalinger · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Clearly, analog data distribution is dead. On the digital side, the importance lies in the method of distribution. There are various methods for distribution and these methods are changing quite often. All things considered, there is obvious importance in staying up to date with technological trends. -c

    1. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Soon, I will be able to download my news every morning... bittorrent of course.

    2. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Clearly, analog data distribution is dead. On the digital side, the importance lies in the method of distribution. There are various methods for distribution and these methods are changing quite often.

      Which is why traditional channels are still alive. Mostly because of the lack of a great unification of distribution standards. HTML is about as good as it gets, and there's a bit of variation there - javascript, XML, XHTML, DHTML, etc. If you want to be sure to reach everyone, including those kids the UN is providing $100 laptops to, you're probably going to have to be readable in HTML 3.2 or sommat. Then there's audio and video content. Not quite any one standard, though probably the one company which is making a serious charge in that direction is the one lease expected a couple years ago, Apple.

      All things considered, there is obvious importance in staying up to date with technological trends.

      Ye Gods! Are you a pundit? You sound just like one!

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    3. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by nbert · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Clearly, analog data distribution is dead. On the digital side, the importance lies in the method of distribution.
      If this is the case there is no reason to keep publishing newspapers at all, right?

      I believe that newspapers in general have adapted to many new trends in the last decade and that it did more harm than benefit in most cases. IMO the problem for publishers is that they fail to convince young people that they might be better off with a traditional newspaper subscribtion than 20 RSS feeds from various souces. I use both sources and I'm quite often disappointed by the lack of background commentary and information of reputable sites like the bbc or faz.net (the latter is a German site). My guess is that most traditional newspapers and TV networks try to tie new customers to their original services without providing too much information online. This might be contemporary problem and I will cancel my newspaper subscription the moment I believe that there's better information available online. But I'm not in need of a more flashy version of the mediocre online content I'm reading occasionally.
      On the other hand we're talking about Rupert Murdoch here, so there's no new need to complain about a lack of vision (we could discuss how this lack results in high mass circulation afterall, but this is a different topic)
    4. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Clearly, analog data distribution is dead

      You think so, do you?

      Pop quiz! What is the most reliable method for data storage?

      Hard Drive? Hardly... Mean time to failure is only a couple of years.
      CD/DVD? No. The media degrades (surface oxidizes, etc) and becomes unreliable in less than a decade.
      Magnetic tape? Again, no. More reliable than discs, but has a life expectency only on the order of decades.
      Paper? Ah, now we're talking. Quality, heavy bond, acid-free paper will last longer than any of the media listed above. Not to mention that it's free of any physical and non-physical compatibility issues (can we rely on PDF, say, to be supported 200, or even 20, years from now?)

      The general rule of thumb for data storage is this: the more primitive the technology, the more reliable it is.

      I once went to a conference where they asked if the proceedings should be DVD-only in future years. The almost unanimous response was NO. Because we wanted a reliable, hassle-free method of reading them 20 years down the line.
      Would you really want your newspaper-of-record to be stored on a medium that has a life expectency of less than ten years?

    5. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by msobkow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Interesting. I find that most of the online newspapers I read only make a few key headline articles available, not the entire content.

      Besides, I hate dragging a 19" monitor with me to lunch, and people keep tripping on the cables... :)

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    6. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by dusik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, XHTML should work best for those kids with $100 laptops. Since it's well-formed XML, parsing it is very straightforward and efficient, and since those laptops would be running open-source software, they'll certainly be able to parse XHTML.

    7. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked as a photographer (stills) in the news industry for several years, and I give this article a lot of credit for being right.

      I have always prided myself on being tech-savvy and in touch with new methods of electronic communication, but it seems few others in the business are. Indeed, there is at least one newspaper I freelance for that doesn't run ANY photos on their Web site yet. Others don't have FTP available, and must pay me for my cost of FedEx-ing CDs of photos to them thereby reducing their profit margin.

      Finally, there are a few magazines I work for that don't even have Web sites at all.

      Having been through journalism school at the University of Arizona, I can tell you that the instruction was totally devoid of any aspects of the business beyond spelling names correctly and writing nice, short sentences. As for technology awareness and instruction, nothing was even mentioned. In 2003, the whole department was still running Mac OS 8 on ancient eMacs. How can people learn to deal with technology when university departments are still in the dark ages?

      For years, poorly performing newspapers have been shielded from the real business world by joint operating agreements (essentially, the stronger paper in a city pays the deficit of the failing paper in order to keep the "fair and unbiased reporting" of having two papers in a town). It is no wonder to me that this has forced the weak to stay weak by getting a free ride and the strong to become weaker for subsidizing poor business practices.

      It's really time for the news business to figure out how to move out of the 19th century and into the 21st.

    8. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you're comparing apples to oranges: newsprint isn't "Quality, heavy bond, acid-free paper."

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    9. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by muggz1250 · · Score: 1

      It seems a very old paper documents were transferred to microfiche. At the time of the transfer, microfiche was probably "high-tech." Remember those spy movies where the secret plans were always stored on microfiche. This segment of the argument seems to be going in circles.

    10. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I find that most of the online newspapers I read only make a few key headline articles available, not the entire content.

      Which newspapers are those? The two newspapers I work for, and our sister papers publish everything online.

      (Well.. almost everything, we strip out the jumps and refers)

    11. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      But what will we use to cover the bottom of our cat litter boxes and bird cages with now?

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    12. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I do analog data distribution all the time with my colleagues at work, I use my highly specialised vocal equipment.

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    13. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by somersault · · Score: 1

      digital paper?

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    14. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Toronto Sun http://www.torontosun.com/

      Regina Leader Post http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/index.html

      Both only publish partial content online. In the case of the Leader Post, they provide the option of an online instead of print subscription, which gives you access to the full content.

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    15. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Interesting, because I find most daily newspapers far more cumbersome than a laptop. they are way too big, and contain a lot of information i'm really not interested in reading. I usually read the daily news on my cellphone. Although I find the screen is a little small, and the web connection a little slow, it's much better than trying to read a newspaper on the bus.

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    16. Re:Analog data distribution is dead... by nbert · · Score: 1

      If you leave out AOL CDs, mail advertisements might fill this gap rather well.

  2. And Then by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The greatest challenge for the traditional media now is to engage with more demanding, questioning and better educated consumers, adapting their products for new technology, the Australian-born media mogul said.

    "There is only one way. That is by using our skills to create and distribute dynamic, exciting content," he said.

    And then the self made man was struck by lightning.

    Seriously, with all the crap this guy has ushered into media, he can say "questioning and better educated consumers" with a straight face?

    Ok, all that aside, I think he's about 6 years late with that rhetoric. Most media are already edging, some hesitantly, others a bit faster, toward embracing new technologies. The core problem is how to make a buck at it. Traditional channels have done very well for him. I can't see them entirely going away.

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    1. Re:And Then by jZnat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I'm not mistaken, the guy who said this is CEO (or president or something) of News Corp (owns Fox and whatnot), so I think his word should be quite influential to the other broadcasting companies like Time Warner, Turner Broadcasting, Disney, etc.

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    2. Re:And Then by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If I'm not mistaken, the guy who said this is CEO (or president or something) of News Corp (owns Fox and whatnot), so I think his word should be quite influential to the other broadcasting companies like Time Warner, Turner Broadcasting, Disney, etc.

      Yeah, but remember, this guy made his fortune before the internet came along.

      Remember Edison talking trash against Tesla? Calling Alternating Current the Devil's something-or-other? Edison was already a success, but felt certain Direct Current was the way to the future. Bugger all the great inventor know about resistance.

      I'm not saying he's an idiot, I just think he's waxing enthusiastic on a technology he really doesn't understand, even after 6 or more years. Some companies do well in it and others founder.

      I like the internet for instant news, but would I pay for it? No. There's too many free outlets.

      Do I click on ads? Once in a while, but most of them are rubbish or things I have no interest in anyway. Perhaps better linking stories to advertising would serve them better. If I'm reading about death in a car bombing I don't think I'm going to be in a mood to look at the new Fords.

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    3. Re:And Then by Rei · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I'm reading about death in a car bombing I don't think I'm going to be in a mood to look at the new Fords

      What about new Volkswagens?

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    4. Re:And Then by iamlucky13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Edison supposedly screwed Tesla over on some patent, but I believe it was actually Westinghouse that Edison was trash-talking on AC vs DC. Brilliant intuition, but he could've used a little more education. I wouldn't dignify this Murdock guy by comparing him to Edison, though. Murdock doesn't have 1100 patents, for one.

    5. Re:And Then by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe it was actually Westinghouse that Edison was trash-talking on AC vs DC.

      Tesla worked for Edison, but left him to work for Westinghouse. Our entire system of electrical power generation and distribution is pretty much the work of a single mind. Tesla's.

      A complaint was lodged at the time that Tesla had left nothing for anyone else to do, although Steinmetz managed to come up with a trick or two.

      And speaking of Steinmetz:

      Murdock doesn't have 1100 patents, for one.

      Neither did Edison, really. His company did. People like Tesla and Steinmetz did most of the real inventing and Edison tacked his name onto the patent application. It was work for hire, just as it is today when working for GE.

      And Murdock is talking about publishing, which is, like, his field and shit. Until recently they didn't even give patents for things like "a method for arrangeing text in columns."

      KFG

    6. Re:And Then by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      News Corp (owns Fox and whatnot),

      Oh, yes, indeed! All you have to do is say "I brought the world the FOX network! I hired Bill O'Reilly! Married with Children was *my* idea!", and kings and queens step aside...

    7. Re:And Then by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A lot of it has to do with restructuring the old companies, changing management and bringing in new people that have adapted to and understand the changes that have, are and will be happening in the creation and distribution of content.

      The additional ability is taking that knowledge and being able to generate an income from it. Buying what appears to be, temporarily hot Internet players has more often proven to be a waste of money rather than being a positive new addition to an existing company.

      The big thing is to lead in the winning new technologies, rather than having to catch up, like the battle a lot of old media companies have to face to catch up in search advertising. Getting a step ahead in the new content search model and new hardware combinations for the delivery and redistribution of content is the means by which companies can regain their prior advantage.

      People often forget that the bulk of modern 20nth century media was about selling advertising space and the content was just a vehicle for it's delivery, there are ways of taking the model into the 21st century but for most they are just not apparent. Making those methods become apparent for the rest to follow, is the difference between winning and losing.

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    8. Re:And Then by garyrich · · Score: 1

      "I'm not saying he's an idiot, I just think he's waxing enthusiastic on a technology he really doesn't understand, even after 6 or more years"

      Very true, but that isn't his job. His job is to find people that *do* understand it and put them in charge of businesses. He's done very well at that. I think he overpayed for MySpace, but it was a good aquisition. the Internet grabs hw's been doing for the last couple years have looked pretty smart to me. Check out their web site, they own a *lot* more than
      Fox News and TV Guide.

      compare that to Time Warner. A company so clueless that they got bought out by Steve Case/AOL.

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    9. Re:And Then by NateTech · · Score: 1

      People work for GE?

      They sold off all the good product lines to the dipshits at Tyco, to mire those divisions in bureaucracy and bad politics, and to kill off any semblance of good engineering in them.

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    10. Re:And Then by kfg · · Score: 1

      People work for GE?

      My uncle left specifically over the patent issue. He was their chief Lexan dude at the time. Couple dozen patents, but the patents were all filed just under the name "GE."

      I live a just a few blocks from the original plant. When I was born 60,000 people worked there, in a city of just over 60,000. Now it's 3,000 and about half of those are executive types.

      They sold off all the good product lines to the dipshits at Tyco

      Their nuclear research division has recently gone to Lockheed-Martin. The company is on a mission to transform itself into a pure financial institution. All they wish to make these days is paper.

      May they rest in peace.

      KFG

    11. Re:And Then by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Sad, isn't it? Another good engineering firm bites the dust to make way for more bureaucrats and people who have never seen any good engineering.

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  3. Facing Extinction... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest reason that newspapers have it so tough is that the delivery person keeps throwing my newspaper down the hallway. Not near my door, not even at my door, but down the hallway. On Sunday mornings, I find my paper at the bottom of the stairs after the ads been rifled through. Customer service is what needed to save the newspaper industry! I hate to see MP3 players being toss down the hallway...

    1. Re:Facing Extinction... by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > The biggest reason that newspapers have it so tough is that the delivery person keeps throwing my newspaper down the hallway. Not near my door, not even at my door, but down the hallway. On Sunday mornings, I find my paper at the bottom of the stairs after the ads been rifled through. Customer service is what needed to save the newspaper industry! I hate to see MP3 players being toss down the hallway...

      There's an joke in here about throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

      Never mind a rolled-up newspaper, never mind an iPod shuffle, never even mind the original 3.5"-hard-drive-based Rio Empeg.

      Because y'know what, this thread is just fine without hypertext links to digital content.

    2. Re:Facing Extinction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my delivery dude does a great job. Same guy delivering for 5 years now and still able to throw the paper 15ft from his moving car onto my porch. Didn't know how lucky i am.. maybe i should stop him one of these days and give him a bj.

    3. Re:Facing Extinction... by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You know, I think it's a strangely USA-ian thing of throwing papers at people's doors. Here in the UK, we actually have paper-boys(or girls) that go up to the door and put it through the letterbox. But then again, we're really uncivilised as we have letterboxes, as opposed to the USA, where you can't put post through someone's door, you have to put it in a post-box thing on the very edge of their property, in case some redneck psycho (so, Texas pretty much) starts shooting paper-boys and postmen with his M60 machine-gun*. Aren't we odd.

      *Which he absolutely must possess and have the right to carry around with him as part of his constitutional rights, you know, for err....hunting. Yeah, hunting...really big ducks in Texas, I gather....

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    4. Re:Facing Extinction... by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      Throwing papers at doors isn't done because people are afraid of being shot. It is done because it is easier. Laziness, not fear!

      How long do you think it would take the police to come to someone's aid if they live at a farm away from the city? Or should they attempt to use a bow and arrow to defend themselves? Rural areas with more guns don't have nearly as many murders as cities where they are banned.

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    5. Re:Facing Extinction... by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      You do realise that in the USA, many a time properties can be tens of yards apart, especially when you're going up a driveway, back down a driveway, and up a road to the next one? Unlike Blighty, when many homes are either directly off the road or about four steps up from one, and three feet apart from the next house if not physically attached to it... I remember communities in Manchester in which I could walk down the road on the city sidewalk touching each front door about every seven yards.

      When I was a kid this side of the pond I had a community newspaper/flyer weekly route of about 100 or so homes. Took me eight hours to do it on a bicycle. Bike to one house, get off, put paper in box, back on bike, down driveway (fifteen yards) across to next house (thirty yards) up driveway (fifteen yards) etc.

      In places in which mail/news boxes are attached to posts near the road, it's so the poor sod whose job it is to deliver mail to a community isn't spending eighteen hours a day going from house to house!

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    6. Re:Facing Extinction... by deKernel · · Score: 1

      No, I don't think your odd. I do think you are just an ASS. Big difference. I will take odd any day.

    7. Re:Facing Extinction... by badriram · · Score: 1

      Funny... same reason here, except the Chicago Tribune would put my newspaper, on the fire exit side of my apartment complex. So it would take me atleast 5 mins to get my newspaper everyday from the apartment on the 3rd floor on the other side of the building. I cancelled because of that eventually. I would have gladly paid extra if they had dropped it off in front of my door.......

  4. BLEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    wtf is up with these "--------------- or die" analogies. Fuck you, fuck death. I'll just sit back and watch.

    1. Re:BLEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Adapt to new anologies or die!

    2. Re:BLEA by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Funny

      Adapt to new anologies or die!

      Adapt to new spelling or die!

      (Sorry)

    3. Re:BLEA by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      I'm with the AC on this one.

      I like reading newspapers. In fact, I'm actually willing to pay to do it. There's a lot of news, particularly local news, that is not very time sensitive and it doesn't hurt to wait until the paper arrives to get it. It's also rather pleasant to sit back and read off of the paper instead of squinting in the computer screen. If I'm willing to give newspapers money to read their stuff, and half the people I know are willing to do the same, remind me again why newspapers are going to die out? I didn't pay much attention in economics class.

    4. Re:BLEA by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Should you get tired of watching us all die, I recommend a lighthearted video game.

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    5. Re:BLEA by Keith+McClary · · Score: 1

      Adapt to new anologies or die!

      Analogy. The study of ...

    6. Re:BLEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adapt to a tried running joke and profit!

    7. Re:BLEA by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Analogy. The study of ...

      Ummm...Analogs? Which are totally different from Anal Logs.

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  5. I'm kinda afraid of this. by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 5, Insightful
    FTFA: But -- and this is a very big but -- newspapers will have to adapt as their readers demand news and sport on a variety of platforms: websites, iPods, mobile phones or laptops.

    What I see happening is that information is being broken down more and more into sound bites and geared more towards the intended audience. For example, you'll hear a completely different take on a story say from Fox as you would from Salon.com. That's assuming they even cover the same stories all the time.

    There's only a few folks who will actually want to read the whole story - whatever it might be. And there's even fewer media outlets that will come out and actually state their leanings. The only one that comes to mind is "The Economist" (they state quite often that they are "a conservative newspaper.").

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    1. Re:I'm kinda afraid of this. by AnotherDaveB · · Score: 5, Informative
      The only one that comes to mind is "The Economist" (they state quite often that they are "a conservative newspaper.").

      Disclaimer - I subscribe to The Economist's online edition, and I think it's a very good publication. (The FT's probably better.:) )

      If by 'conservative' you mean ' [USA] conservative republican', I think you're mistaken. The Economist is primarily a 'free trade' supporter. That very often leads to common cause with the political right, but the allegiance is to 'free trade'

      Another Disclaimer - I let my print subscription to The Economist lapse during the early part of President GW Bush's first term as US President as I thought they had lost sight of this, and their USA coverage was offering fawning paeans to the White House, rather than the [wry] analysis I was paying for.

      The quote below is taken from The Economist's website, so it's their philosophy in their own words.

      What, besides free trade and free markets, does The Economist believe in? "It is to the Radicals that The Economist still likes to think of itself as belonging. The extreme centre is the paper's historical position." That is as true today as when Crowther said it in 1955. The Economist considers itself the enemy of privilege, pomposity and predictability. It has backed conservatives such as Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. It has supported the Americans in Vietnam. But it has also endorsed Harold Wilson and Bill Clinton, and espoused a variety of liberal causes: opposing capital punishment from its earliest days, while favouring penal reform and decolonisation, as well as--more recently--gun control and gay marriage.

      Lastly, The Economist believes in plain language. Walter Bagehot, our most famous 19th-century editor, tried "to be conversational, to put things in the most direct and picturesque manner, as people would talk to each other in common speech, to remember and use expressive colloquialisms". That remains the style of the paper today.

      Established in 1843 to campaign on one of the great political issues of the day, The Economist remains, in the second half of its second century, true to the principles of its founder. James Wilson, a hat maker from the small Scottish town of Hawick, believed in free trade, internationalism and minimum interference by government, especially in the affairs of the market. Though the protectionist Corn Laws which inspired Wilson to start The Economist were repealed in 1846, the newspaper has lived on, never abandoning its commitment to the classical 19th-century Liberal ideas of its founder.

      The Corn Laws, which by taxing and restricting imports of corn made bread expensive and starvation common, were bad for Britain. Free trade, in Wilson's view, was good for everyone. In his prospectus for The Economist, he wrote: "If we look abroad, we see within the range of our commercial intercourse whole islands and continents, on which the light of civilisation has scarce yet dawned; and we seriously believe that free trade, free intercourse, will do more than any other visible agent to extend civilisation and morality throughout the world - yes, to extinguish slavery itself."

      Wilson's outlook was, therefore, moral, even civilising, but not moralistic. He believed "that reason is given to us to sit in judgment over the dictates of our feelings." Reason convinced him in particular that Adam Smith was right, that through its invisible hand the market benefited profit-seeking individuals (of whom he was one) and society alike. He was himself a manufacturer and wanted especially to influence "men of business". Accordingly, he insisted that all the arguments and propositions put forward in his paper should be subjected to the test of facts. That was why it was called The Economist.

    2. Re:I'm kinda afraid of this. by killjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Another Disclaimer - I let my print subscription to The Economist lapse during the early part of President GW Bush's first term as US President as I thought they had lost sight of this, and their USA coverage was offering fawning paeans to the White House, rather than the [wry] analysis I was paying for."

      My sig says "evil is as evil does". I don't care what the economists says they are about, I don't care they profess to believe in, I don't care what they see when look in the mirror. I only care about what they say and do. From where I sit the economist has been the biggest cheerleader for this war in the world. To me advocating a war and making excuses for GW is not about free trade. If anything it's the opposite of free trade, it's waging war to invade and occupy a nation and taking control of their natural resources.

      Everybody has a distorted perception of themselves. GW thinks he is a god loving man who is obeying gods will, I think I handsome and debonair, the economist thinks it's an independent voice which cares about free trade. None of those things are true though.

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    3. Re:I'm kinda afraid of this. by AnotherDaveB · · Score: 1
      My sig says "evil is as evil does". I don't care what the economists says they are about, I don't care they profess to believe in, I don't care what they see when look in the mirror. I only care about what they say and do. From where I sit the economist has been the biggest cheerleader for this war in the world. To me advocating a war and making excuses for GW is not about free trade. If anything it's the opposite of free trade, it's waging war to invade and occupy a nation and taking control of their natural resources.

      Fair enough. You and The Economist, disagree about the merits of the Iraq invasion.

      You don't disagree about President Bush. The Economist endorsed John Kerry in the most recent US Presidential election. The headline was "The incompetent [Bush] or the incoherent [Kerry]?"

      I have no idea when their coverage changed from the unquestioning agreement, that caused me to stop reading the publication, to their traditional (dryly humourous) analysis but I started reading again around the time of the EU Constitution debate and feel their coverage is balanced.

      At the end of the year they produce a "The Year In..." publication that predicts the possible changes of the next twelve months. In one of these, I forget which, a retiring Economist journalist gave her thoughts on changes in the world and The Economist during her career. Part of the article dwelt on the passionate disagreement there was within The Economist at the time I stopped reading. Memory tells me it was something like "...too close to the current administration..."

  6. The Google Way by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Traditional media needs to take a que or two from Google.

    Sergey Brin made the statement once that you need to innovate on all levels including business models. When Google first launched they were just like any other startup, cool technology but no profit model. He was determined to have a profitable business and thus Google Adwords was born.

    The point is this; the migration of print media isn't about just transitioning the text from a paper page to a website. It's about knowing the context of the environment (e.g. interactive) and finding ways to embrace that environment so that the consumer benefits (e.g. more knowledge, entertained, etc) and profits are sustained.

    1. Re:The Google Way by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A big problem the newspapers will face online is that they no longer gain any power from their physical distribution networks. Everything will be defined by the content itself. It used to be if you wanted the paper delivered daily, you had to get A.) the local paper or B.) some big paper like the NY Times or USA Today. Now you can get any paper in the entire world daily and all for the same price (some for free). So which will you choose? You will read the one with the best or most relevant content.

    2. Re:The Google Way by eikonos · · Score: 1

      Now you can get any paper in the entire world daily and all for the same price (some for free). So which will you choose?

      For international news this makes sense, but some people are still going to want local news. The current model of having actual reporters for local news and just using content from Reuters for international seems to work.

    3. Re:The Google Way by elronxenu · · Score: 1

      In order to embrace the environment, online newspapers should offer user commentary ala slashdot.

    4. Re:The Google Way by Kuciwalker · · Score: 0
      Traditional media needs to take a que or two from Google.

      The company that's said it will never create content, just display others'? Brilliant!

    5. Re:The Google Way by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      A big problem the newspapers will face online is that they no longer gain any power from their physical distribution networks. Everything will be defined by the content itself. It used to be if you wanted the paper delivered daily, you had to get A.) the local paper or B.) some big paper like the NY Times or USA Today. Now you can get any paper in the entire world daily and all for the same price (some for free). So which will you choose?
      If history is any guide (and this includes recent history - I.E. blogs) people chose which they will read on the basis of bias. Their only care about content is that it not annoy them too badly.
    6. Re:The Google Way by Chops · · Score: 2, Insightful
      finding ways to embrace that environment so that the consumer benefits (e.g. more knowledge, entertained, etc) and profits are sustained.

      The reader isn't the consumer of traditional advertising-supported publishing; the advertiser is the consumer. The reader -- more specifically, his or her fertile mental landscape, ripe for insemination with the appropriate ideas, generally about what would be a good idea to buy -- is the product.

      If newspapers competed for readers, then things like "more knowledge, entertained" and the like would have been what newspapers were competing over these past few decades. Instead, they've been competing for advertisers, with readers as an ornery but ultimately pliable herd population to be corralled. Most of the losing that the newspapers have been doing to the intarweb isn't because of "competition" as such; plenty of people read papers in situations where they just don't have access to the internet. They're losing because their model depends on having a monopoly on truth, and they're losing it. No revolution of interactiveness is necessary for them to stop hemmoraging readers. They just need to stop telling lies (particularly to stop republishing government/industry press releases as if they were truth). TV could stand to learn this lesson, too.

      An alternative would be to muzzle the internet, so that they'll get back the monopoly on truth again.
    7. Re:The Google Way by AnotherDaveB · · Score: 1
      When Google first launched they were just like any other startup, cool technology but no profit model. He was determined to have a profitable business and thus Google Adwords was born.

      Brin had nothing to do with Google's profitability. Adwords was the initiative of Eric Schmidt.

      Quote below is taken from The Register

      Before Schmidt came along the company bumbled along without a clear idea money-spinner. Schmidt transformed Google into an advertising broker.

      Schmidt is Google's Chairman and CEO, Brin is president in charge of technology.

    8. Re:The Google Way by Firehed · · Score: 1
      What? Make companies work for their money? That's unpossible!

      Seriously, guys. Digital age means changes. Make your product worthwhile. Selling a half-assed product because there are no alternatives isn't an option anymore. Stop trying to lobby in laws so you can keep your atrocious business model and deal with it. The people you're selling to don't care if you go out of business, however they most certainly do care if you make it illegal for them to get the products they desire. *points 00100 finger at RIAA* As much as I hate to agree with Murdoch on anything, he's got a point. It just applies to more than newspapers. No matter how inaccurate his sayings of fair and balanced are, he's not stupid.

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    9. Re:The Google Way by Keith+McClary · · Score: 1

      If history is any guide (and this includes recent history - I.E. blogs) people chose which they will read on the basis of bias. Their only care about content is that it not annoy them too badly.

      In the US it is either R.or D.

      That is the extent of discourse.

    10. Re:The Google Way by rk · · Score: 1

      I think where newspapers will still have an edge is in local mid size markets, where circulation is 100,000 or less, as long as their primary focus is on local news. Many smaller papers are getting fairly technically sophisticated.

      I know I was pleasantly surprised when I started working for one a couple months ago.

  7. The first rational sentiment yet by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Piracy, aggregation, new media formats, many things threaten the media players. Murdoch is saying that they have two choices. Bitch about your IP rights or coopt the technologies that are threatening your business. It's a realistic and good attitude. Their refusal to accept reality has been as bad as an anti-war person getting drafted, sent to the front lines and then proceeding to bitch about the unfairness and evil of it all instead of fighting to stay alive as the bullets zip past their head. Accept reality or die. My kind of motto.

  8. ridiculous by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    old technologies don't die, they just get shoved around and reincarnated in alternate, smaller forms

    take radio. there was once a time when people sat around these giant vacuum tube behemoths listneing to serials like "only the shadow knows"

    tv killed that kind of radio, but radio came back as the medium for music, the golden age of the radi dj

    now in the internet age, and with satellite radio, radio has an even smaller niche. and yet talk shows and drive-time formats still mean radio has a purpose

    old media never dies, it just loses its lustre and fills smaller, less lucrative niches

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    1. Re:ridiculous by __aajfby9338 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes things come back from the grave, too. Now I can listen to those old radio shows, as well as newly-made radio shows in the same vein, on my fancy-schmancy satellite radio receiver while I'm driving home from work.

    2. Re:ridiculous by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I agree, I haven't owned a TV for 5 years, but the radio is always on providing background noise to my computer activities.

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  9. Reminds me of that South Park Episode by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    Where they had P. Diddy show up with his "Vote or Die" crew.

    I can see them yelling at the PETA people "Adapt to New Technology or Die!!!!" and then shooting the whole lot of them for refusing.

    http://images.google.com/images?q=vote%20or%20die
    One of those pics isn't SFW... but I approve.

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  10. Wikinews by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 1

    Wikinews hasn't been the newspaper-killer that Wikipedia is to encyclopedias. ...but then again, people forget that Wikipedia started in 2001.

    Becoming an overnight tech success takes years :-) I still love good 'ould text.

    1. Re:Wikinews by Jeian · · Score: 1

      Becoming an overnight tech success takes years

      You must have very long nights in your part of the world.

  11. Newspaper History by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's an interesting case of a newspaper reacting to another media technology: The Chicago Tribune wanted to create a sort of alternative newspaper, and for the comic section they started a program called "Sam and Henry". The Time: 1926. The media threat: Radio. Sam & Henry went on to become the fantastically popular Amos and Andy.

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  12. what again? by Surt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember when newspapers were facing extinction from the internet 8 years ago.

    They have a unique lock on push delivery of local advertisements. That will keep them alive.

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    1. Re:what again? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

      I remember when newspapers were facing extinction from the internet 8 years ago.

      They have a unique lock on push delivery of local advertisements. That will keep them alive.


      True, but markets will support fewer newspapers. Here in Seattle one of the two major papers is on its deathbed. Readership is down with both. I'm sure the internet had a lot to do with it.

    2. Re:what again? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      To target young people with local ads, you're better off buying ad space on craigslist* or better yet, MySpace. (Remember when you had to pay marketing firms for demographic information? Now your customers can tell you directly how old they are, where they live, and what stuff they buy!)

      * Craigslist lacks banner/text ads, but that doesn't stop people from using it as an ad platform

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    3. Re:what again? by zhrinze · · Score: 1

      Not so. I work for a newspaper. As readership declines (generally as the older people who were used to newspapers die off)so do opportunities to convince advertisers that you can distribute advertising effectively. Further, one of the major publishers of inserts is also electronically publishing. This will impact press operators (as several national advertisers use multiple print houses - it would no longer be necessary to do that). It will impact shippers because the inserts will be transmittable through the internet. It will impact paper throwers (often hired as external contractors) who will no longer be needed. People aren't thinking this out - once the technology to carry a reader that is useful and durable exists, the younger generation will look for information sources they prefer. If that reader device connects directly to the internet, many content providers will need to charge per user. Many currently free sources of news will go away and many old sources of news that cannot adapt (like mine!!) will disappear.

  13. Paper Delivery by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    The biggest reason that newspapers have it so tough is that the delivery person keeps throwing my newspaper down the hallway. Not near my door, not even at my door, but down the hallway. On Sunday mornings, I find my paper at the bottom of the stairs after the ads been rifled through. Customer service is what needed to save the newspaper industry!

    Must be past the end of the Paper Boy Era.

    When I was in my late teens I inherited my older brother's paper route. It was somewhere about 65 customers. As this was my main source of income I took a particularly aggressive view towards growing and maintaining the route. In 3.3 years I had it up to 150+ customers, much to the annoyance of paper boys of neighbouring routes. My parents always sent me out with our paper, just in case I saw someone moving into a new house -- I'd introduce myself and give them the paper free and ask if I could sign them up. I was breaking my back, but I was also raking in some decent cash for a highschool kid. I made certain papers weren't left in wet or could be blown away or anything. When I retired and left for college the newspaper said it was too large a route for any one carrier and split it.

    Now people drive past and chuck papers in the general vicinity of doors. I know what you mean.

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    1. Re:Paper Delivery by eikonos · · Score: 1

      Must be past the end of the Paper Boy Era. ... Now people drive past and chuck papers in the general vicinity of doors.

      Nah, it's not they end -- they just need more training.

    2. Re:Paper Delivery by iotaborg · · Score: 1

      And soon enough, we'll have a Paperboy revolution! I just hope Nintendo dummy-proofs their controllers so that when I miss and throw it into the toilet, it's all good.

    3. Re:Paper Delivery by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So your outhouse is in front of your house? You're better off using newspapers instead of a controller in the outhouse. :P

    4. Re:Paper Delivery by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      In 3.3 years I had it up to 150+ customers

      I am sure I read about you in a Heinlein book.

    5. Re:Paper Delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also carry a lot more than 150 papers and sometimes cover up to 150 miles in one run, good luck hopping out and running a paper to everyone's door doing routes around here

  14. You can get this on Audible.com by Deton8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny coincidence. This was on Audible.com so I grabbed it last week. He makes a lot of sense. My favorite part was when some hopeful newspaper editor in the audience asked if he was thinking about buying any more newspapers. He burst the guy's bubble by saying "NO!" and going on to explain that it would be a bad investment. I guess that was really the whole point of the talk -- the antique news media better come up with something new or it's going to die.

  15. I was about to call bullshit by hyfe · · Score: 1
    I was halfway into writing an angry comment about how "market analists" always dramatize about the need to embraze the latest buzzwords when I actually decided to read the 'article'...

    ... which consisted of 4 Murdoch quotes, which were balanced and non-stupid.. and admittedly, what everyone is thinking anyways.

    What is interesting though, is how I expected the article to be crap.. Slashdot has linked so many obvious flame-bait stories it's ridicilous. Seriously; why, oh why, do I read this site?

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    1. Re:I was about to call bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "market analists"

      Seriously? They were angry at people who are into having anal at the market?

      Seriously; why, oh why, do I read this site?

      I read it for the hilarious spelling.

    2. Re:I was about to call bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, how I wish there was a "Pedantic Shmuck -1" mod tag.

    3. Re:I was about to call bullshit by jackcarter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, how I wish there was a "Pedantic Shmuck -1" mod tag.

      Actually, that should be "... how I wish there were a...." It's the hypothetical subjunctive.

      Look at it this way: if they ever implement such a tag, you'll have someone on whom to test it (whew! I almost ended my sentence with a preposition!).

  16. Dial-up suits me fine by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can wait for a site to load, I just go take a bath or something; and it's there when I get back. For downloading cds, I can just wge-aaaagggh.

    [no carrier]

  17. Rupert Murdoch by sloths · · Score: 1

    Is this why he bought Myspace?

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  18. Odd by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has been his line for at least 20 years (since the dispute at Wapping) and probably longer.

    However, my (entirely subjective) experience is that the newspapers that tend to get quoted / referenced in other online articles* from the UK and Australia aren't the News Corp ones - from the UK it's as often as not the Scotsman and the Guardian, followed by the rest; from Australia it's the Sydney Morning Herald. Maybe it's my reading that tends to steer me away from places likely to quote Murdoch papers - but I'm sure that that's not the whole story.

    (*excluding Fark and The Sun, of course).

  19. What an odd article. by _Pablo · · Score: 1

    It's the newspaper industry...the "paper" part should have already alerted the industry to the fact that they were in trouble, couple that with steadily declining sales and booming internet usage and the message has been loud and clear for a good few years now. Still, it makes a good headline for one of News Corps papers "Murdoch says newspapers f****d!".

    I liked the bit at the end of the article which credits the News Corp move to Wapping as "paving the way for developments such as colour printing, supplements and websites."...now that's news to me!

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  20. Saying it's "dead" is dumb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is hard to underestimate the power of casual purchases in a retail store. 50% of Christmas gifts are impulse purchases. Who is going to forego those sales by turning off retail distribution?

  21. Sorry Rupert... by carlmenezes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but until there are some pretty radical advances in power storage, display and user interaction, there will always be a place for the newspaper. You can get the info anywhere, true. But right now, for a really small price, you get a very large "paper screen" with the info on it that you can browse through at your own speed regardless of battery life, internet connectivity and how much space you have around you. Yes, you can get the info in a browser, but have u ever tried lying back in bed and browsing with your laptop or other mobile device? How long is it before you get tired looking at the screen, get tired of the weight or notice the heat? Or how about just get tired of the position you have to be in to use the darn device?

    Until those problems in technology are solved, I'm sorry Rupert, newspapers will not die.

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    1. Re:Sorry Rupert... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Until those problems in technology are solved, I'm sorry Rupert, newspapers will not die.

      The broadsheet newspaper is one of the all-time greats of distribution formats, sure. But don't forget that the ultimate goal of a newspaper is not to benefit the reader; it is to benefit their ADVERTISERS. And many traditional newspaper advertisers are starting to realize that they can get a better product, and a better ROI, if they move to Internet advertising.

      If I'm a car dealership, I shouldn't be spending my advertising budget on a quarter-page ad every day and a full-page on Sunday, listing brief details about one-third of my available inventory in glorious 4-tone dithered color. Not when I could use the money to build a website where potential customers can find my FULL inventory, with FULL descriptions of each car, and a half dozen photos of each car in FULL 24-bit color.

    2. Re:Sorry Rupert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU are a fucking idiot, and YOU should learn how to spell a three-letter word if you intend to speak to anyone in print.

    3. Re:Sorry Rupert... by Keith+McClary · · Score: 1

      notice the heat?

      What, me worry?

    4. Re:Sorry Rupert... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Until those problems in technology are solved, I'm sorry Rupert, newspapers will not die.

      Wrong.

      Until those issues are addressed, some portion of the readership will still want a newspaper, but that does not necessarily mean that enough people will want it to make operating a newspaper profitable. Already there is a non-trivial fraction of the populace who doesn't take a paper because they can read the news on-line, and that fraction is growing. Even worse, advertisers are discovering that the effectiveness of newspaper advertising is declining even faster than the newpaper readership. Even if most of the population does still want to read the paper, if advertisers can get more results for their advertising dollar with targeted on-line ads, they'll go there and the papers will suffer.

      The fact that some people prefer the traditional ink on broadsheet format for their news is simply not enough to keep newspapers alive and healthy.

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    5. Re:Sorry Rupert... by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      If I'm a car dealership, I shouldn't be spending my advertising budget on a quarter-page ad every day and a full-page on Sunday, listing brief details about one-third of my available inventory in glorious 4-tone dithered color. Not when I could use the money to build a website where potential customers can find my FULL inventory, with FULL descriptions of each car, and a half dozen photos of each car in FULL 24-bit color.

      If you're a car dealer, the question you have to ask is: Would I like every literate adult in this city to glance at my print ad every day, or 1/10 of 1% of them to search out my web site once every 5 years?

      Paper still wins for most retail businesses...

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  22. Which is probably exactly what he means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What I expect Mr. Murdoch is thinking internally is "hmm, eventually viewpoints other than my own will start getting attention, as people stop listening to television news (which I dominate) and newspaper news (which I partially dominate), and start using the internet for news. I'd better buy up MySpace and make sure that I can blast my viewpoint just as loudly on the internet as I can on cable television."

  23. What does he care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rupert Murdoch shouldn't care so much. The actuarial tables say he's due for extinction any minute now.

  24. Someone forward the message... by Omicron32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...To the RIAA/MPAA

    1. Re:Someone forward the message... by DerekLyons · · Score: 0, Troll
      Someone forward the message to the RIAA/MPAA
      I doubt that Murdoch believes (as the Slashdot hive mind does) that embracing new technology means giving everything away for free.
  25. The headlines... by scwizard · · Score: 0

    A gimmicky headline like this, although it will bring me over from my feed, won't accomplish much more.
    Articles should aim to be intelligent and informative, not just to get you to read them.

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  26. Guess not by hsbis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't they say that post offices would die within days (exaggeration on purpose :)) after email became accessible to almost everyone ? I dont know about you but I still prefer the newspaper when I go on the toilet in the morning. Not only because that damn battery on my LAPtop gets way too hot for my LAP, but also because of it's great re-usability, like if I run out of toilet paper. :D But seriously, I prefer newspaper over RSS-feed any day, it's just so much better reading off paper then off monitors, I think we can all aggree on that. At least I still buy the local newspaper and I intend to do that for as long as I can.

  27. Let's extinct this one by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    Rupert Murdock is a serious creep. It would be worth going without MP3, internet, and mobile phones for a while just to get rid of this guy. Unless, of course, he's just blowing smoke. Who knows? Maybe he does seriously believe what he's saying. If so, he's the only one who believes anything that he says.

    1. Re:Let's extinct this one by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You do know whose company you are keeping with a 'rub out those who I disagree with' attitude, right?

      Just thought someone should call you on it.

    2. Re:Let's extinct this one by Simonetta · · Score: 1

      I am not talking about any kind of rubbing out except bankruptcy for Murdock's corporations. And I am using his metaphor. If he didn't mean it, then why did he say it? He's simply raising false alarms and is trying to get his people to think about the impact of new technology. That's all.

          I do wish people would learn to be a little more careful with the words that they choose in their public speeches. Murdock's newspapers and media are far to eager to sensationalize small and aberrant (however abhorrent) events.

    3. Re:Let's extinct this one by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      And I am using his metaphor.

      Just be careful not to become what you oppose. Your initial comment sounded like a death threat, kinda.

  28. Embracing the Internet by MrSoundAndVision · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rupert Murdoch is not a good man. And if these comments are to be taken seriously he is not a smart man either. The internet is not simply a means of distribution of information. It is freedom of information. It allows us to be free of the "qualified" news source. Ten years ago, people like Rupert Murdoch thought they could dominate the media of the world. Today no one dominates the media of the world. On the internet (as it is now), that's simply not possible. So I expect by embrace Murdoch means destroy or restrict. After all, his media companies had to resort to lobbying the government to ensure that only the official channels (ABC,CBS,CNN,etc.) were allowed to be shown. Public television has been largely dismantled (or neutered rather) and I suspect the Rupert Murdoch's of the world would prefer the same route for the public internet.

    1. Re:Embracing the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...if these comments are to be taken seriously he is not a smart man either. The internet is not simply a means of distribution of information. It is freedom of information. It allows us to be free of the "qualified" news source. Ten years ago, people like Rupert Murdoch thought they could dominate the media of the world. Today no one dominates the media of the world. On the internet (as it is now), that's simply not possible. ... his media companies had to resort to lobbying the government to ensure that only the official channels (ABC,CBS,CNN,etc.) were allowed to be shown...

      Boy, where to start... So he's stupid and wrong when he claims that traditional media is in jeopardy but at the same time "Ten years ago, people like Rupert Murdoch thought they could dominate the media of the world. Today no one dominates the media of the world. On the internet..." So which is it, is he a keen observer of market trends by raising a legitimate concern as the internet threatens the long standing market dominance of mainstream media or is he "stupid" and yet to "dominate the world" because the internet is no threat to old media? You can't have it both ways.

      PS ABC, CBS, and CNN are Rupert Murdochs competitors. The Fox network and Fox news are both relative newcomers to the game and not old giants trying to protect their traditional turf.

    2. Re:Embracing the Internet by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1
      Yep, I figured this would just degenerate into a "bash Rupert Murdoch" thread. Right on schedule.
      "Rupert Murdoch is not a good man... people like Rupert Murdoch thought they could dominate the media of the world..."

      Are you so clairvoyant that you can discern what Murdoch's thoughts and intentions were, are, or will be in the future? Bullshit. Spare me your sanctimonious judgement. He's just a businessman.

      What Murdoch is best at is giving media consumers what they want. That's how he made his fortune. That's the reason FOX News' ratings are more than double that of CNN (and four times that of MSNBC). He saw an unserved market and acted to fill the need.

      And if the internet is all-powerful (which it is), how on earth can Rupert Murdoch destroy or restrict it?
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    3. Re:Embracing the Internet by MrSoundAndVision · · Score: 0

      Oh I appreciate your tone. Did you know that the richest 500 people in the world have more wealth than the bottom billion? A billion people. I didn't think so. Wealth the size of Murdoch's is obscene, and cannot be accumulated by honest means alone. As far as I'm concerned Fox, ABC, all these media companies you mentioned are official media, unswervingly uncritical of the government and the corporatocracy. So you're just picking the prettiest bowl of shit and calling it innovative. And to answer your question, since you obviously didn't put it together from my post, the internet can be restricted in the same way that public television was neutered: by lobbying the politicians who then instruct the FCC to pass regulations to restrict the internet: to monitor it, to isolate the national network, to pass laws (as in New Jersey) which intimidate by making it a crime to publicly tell lies about people... This is how the internet is to be handled by the powers that be. I don't have to be clairvoyant to call it how it is. Spare yourself by leaving. Or if you care to respond, by all means do so, I'm game.

    4. Re:Embracing the Internet by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      Ah, now you're presuming to know what I think/believe/realize. A billion people don't even have a pot to piss in? Gee, I had no idea. How do I sleep at night.

      So if you're a billionaire, you're automatically a criminal? What is the threshold of wealth that separates the obscene from, say, the merely naughty? A million? A hundred-million? Who gets to make that call?

      Nah, I'm not gonna enjoin you further in this squabble. The anti-rich bile in your post, and your use of a made-up word ("corporatocracy") tells me where you're coming from. Suffice to say your world-view beliefs aren't the same as mine.

      Have a nice life.

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    5. Re:Embracing the Internet by MrSoundAndVision · · Score: 0

      See you later flag waver!

  29. Rupert Murdoch by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

    He puts the genius back in "Evil Genius."

  30. Rupert Is The New Overlord by highwaytohell · · Score: 1

    He's just saying that i'm going to take over profitable web based companies in a nice way. He has done this since he started out in business. Bought companies and turned them into his own agenda pushing propaganda machines. Myspace's featured profile would always come up as The O'Reilly Factor, any dissention about George Bush on a blog would lead to accounts being suspended etc etc. He's done it throughout his media mogul life.

    1. Re:Rupert Is The New Overlord by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I've always found it more than a little ironic that the vehicles for which hes companies are best known in the US are Fox News, The Simpsons, and Married with Children (perhaps I'm a little behind the times--while I know StarWars and Myspace are more popular than some of my list, most people wouldn't associate them with NewsCorp or FOX). I think he's really hoping that the TimeWarners and Viacoms of the world bid up other web properties so he doesn't look like a lone idiot for paying so much for myspace.

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  31. Newspapers are dying anyway by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    There was a cartoon that someone once wrote that had Easy Reader from The Electric Company, a TV show for children on PBS that was educational, say that "print is dead".

    Still I find newspapers good for coupon sections, and I like to read stories on paper format over screen format.

    Newspapers are slowly being replaced with blogs, and blogs are popular because anyone can write them. The problem is that blogs have no jounralistic standard and don't always check the facts, it is style over substance, and most blogs post contraversial views to get readers. The newspapers tried to compete with blogs, by writing their stories the same way blogs did and not check the facts like they used to like The New York Times. Some newspapers even have their own blogs run by editors.

    Radiostations and Cable TV channels already have those type of things, MP3/Real Player files, mobile and laptop designed web pages, etc. It is only a matter of time before a newspaper company catches up, but then could it honestly be called a newspaper company when it is mostly web based?

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    1. Re:Newspapers are dying anyway by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

      Few "newspaper companies" are purely in the newspaper business. For years they've branched out with radio stations, TV stations, web sites, direct mailing, telemarketing, and any other medium that will get them sales and exposure. Example: The New York Times Company owns 19 newspapers, 9 TV stations, a significant stake in the Boston Red Sox, and more.

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  32. Testing coComment by jerometremblay · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hello world!

  33. There will still by AWhiteFlame · · Score: 1

    There will still be an audience for it. It will get smaller, but I find it hard to believe that anything, even local news channels, still beat the newspaper for local news.

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    "Everything worth innovating today will go to court tomorrow."
    1. Re:There will still by tftp · · Score: 1
      There will still be an audience for it. It will get smaller,

      What will you do when the number of readers drops below 1?

      I don't read newspapers for at least a decade. They are dirty (the ink smears), they are unwieldly and have to be folded endlessly, they kill trees and pollute water, they are ridiculously short-lived, they are a day late after all the news already happened and had been discussed and laid to rest, and worst of all, all the articles are written for the lowest common denominator.

      I find it hard to believe that anything, even local news channels, still beat the newspaper for local news.

      If you want to check the weather before heading home from work, what will you do:

      1. Find a newspaper that has a weather forecast based on, say, 24 hours old data, or
      2. Click on a Web site that has a weather forecast based on 10 minutes old data

      That's as local as it gets. My coworkers check traffic on Internet, not in papers. In fact, I hardly ever see a newspaper brought in - and that's only when it contains something remarkable and worth having on paper.

  34. Rupert Murdoch facing Extinction by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    fairly quickly, no matter how young his wife is.

    While he may think he has a point, the Net has no love for frequently wrong newspapers, or even frequently wrong media such as TV, except where it's either:

    a. funny - which his tend not to be;
    b. satirical - which on a good day his aren't;
    c. supported by someone with too much money for feeding the incurious public what large corporate greedheads want them to think unquestioningly.

    um. oh. darn. I guess his media might survive, as they meet (c) and thus can continue to exist due to financial support they wouldn't otherwise qualify for.

    Which leads me to ask: What is the sound of One Blog Posting?

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    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  35. Has anyone told him by soupdevil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that the broadband video-on-demand revolution is happening right now, and that television networks are extinct? And that telecoms are scared spitless by Skype and Vonage? Predicting the end of newspapers is so 1997.

  36. "A new generation of media consumers..." by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "A new generation of media consumers has risen demanding content delivered when they want it, how they want it, and very much as they want it."

    Or in NewsCorp's example, consumers can access their propaganda, censored news, and op ed / tabloid trash when then want to, how they want to, and as frequently as they want to.

    Mod me a troll if you must, but Rupert Murdoch... you truly suck.

    When are we going to get a Borg / Murdoch icon for Slashdot?

    --
    "Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
  37. No it's not! by babbling · · Score: 1

    I have to disagree about analog data distribution being dead, assuming you're talking about papers being delivered each morning. The vast majority of people still read the papers.

    Having a paper to carry around and read is so much more convenient than having to read the paper on a laptop or something like that. When you're commuting to work each morning, you don't want to whip out your laptop and start reading the newspaper on it, which you would have had to have saved to it while rushing to get ready for work.

    I think newspapers have at least a good 10 years left. That said, Mr Murdoch is right, in that media companies that do not embrace technology are doomed. The trick is mixing both the old and new, and not doing only one or the other. Maximise profits by doing both.

  38. Adaptation is one thing... by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...but accepting theft is another.

    There is a big difference between adapting to new markets and technology and allowing existing ones to be pilfered by thieves.

    While the RIAA and MPAA certainly make themselves look stupid when they sue grandma's for downloading mp3s, they are simply trying to protect and existing marketplace.

    It's no different than a shop owner calling the cops when somebody robs them at gun point. Do we expect the shop owner to adapt to robbery? No. We expect law enforcement to prevent that robbery and punish those who are caught after the fact.

    Obviously there are lots of new market opportunities created by technology. MP3s have certainly changed the way we listen to music. But just as a gun makes it easier to rob a bank, mpeg compression makes it easier to share near full quality music with millions of people.

    The industry IS slowly changing. They are investing massive amounts of money in DRM which will allow them to participate in the emerging markets created by compression schemes like MP3. Them trying to stop file sharers from distributing copyrighted material to millions of people illegally is a separate and independent issue.

    1. Re:Adaptation is one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DRM Must flow, who controls the DRM, it will control the universe.

  39. Re:DONT DIE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I gotta say, this really made me laugh. I'm not sure why.

  40. My hope... by vonPoonBurGer · · Score: 1

    ...is that Rupert Murdoch chooses not to adapt to new technologies. He'd be doing the world a favor.

  41. Printing presses will always be around by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


    Rural areas still have some people who are thankful to have a phone line most hours of the day. Broadband internet is just something they read about in the print newspapers!

    For example, one house I used to lived in definitely did not have a "five nines" dial tone. Lightning, drunk drivers hitting phone poles, corrosion on decades-old lines, all have knocked out my phone service at times. There wasn't even cable TV--everyone had mini-dishes...if they had a view of the satellite.

  42. Dear Rupert by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Funny
    Tens of thousands of years ago, a scruffy bloke with long hair who smelt of rabbit skins & said "Ugh!" rather a lot, was sat in his cave pondering a particular problem - how to move a very heavy rock from point A on the Earth's surface to point B. Although this bloke wasn't to know it at the time, he had to find a way of overcoming the friction that the rock exerted on the Earth's surface due to it's mass and surface area.

    Perhaps more by luck than chance, he found that if he could lever up the rock and place cylindrical logs under it, he could move it...

    Some time later, another bloke less pre-disposed to living in a cave, decided to create circular discs, probably of wood, that could be placed in each corner of a heavy object by connecting them in order to move it easier - and so it was that "the wheel" was born...

    And as we leap forward through the millenia to our present day, we see that the concept of the wheel remains fundamentally unchanged - it's still circular, probably has an axle and is best used in numbers of four or more.

    The wheel, and numerous other technological developments over the centuries, serve to demonstrate that some inventions can be pretty much designed correctly from the time of their inception without the "need" to replace it completely purely for the purposes of technical advancement.

    Besides, as the owner of "The Sun" newspaper in Britain, a journal aimed specifically at those modern-day individuals who are pre-disposed to cavemanhood & writing with crayons, can I suggest that you, sir, are a complete and utter gobshite who is totally out of his depth and has far too much money for his own good.

    In summary, therefore, may I suggest that you continue publishing stories about "Lesbian Vicars" for those knucklescrapers who continue to find amusement for their unicellular brains in your newspaper & leave those of us who are more pre-disposed to understanding technology to make decisions about whether we still want paper newspapers or not.

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    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
    1. Re:Dear Rupert by kubrick · · Score: 1

      may I suggest that you continue publishing stories about "Lesbian Vicars" for those knucklescrapers who continue to find amusement for their unicellular brains in your newspaper

      If it keeps making money, I'm sure he'll have no problem doing so. But if those numbskulls prefer to receive video-chat invitations from the same 'lesbian vicars' on their 3G mobiles at 5 quid/minute, Rupert wants his minions to be able to sniff out that opportunity, exploit it and (preferably) monopolise it.

      (I quite like that the /. tags for this story read "die, murdoch, media" at the moment -- I couldn't have put it better myself :)

      --
      deus does not exist but if he does
    2. Re:Dear Rupert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the guy who got rid of "fleet street" by moving them to Wapping, and dramatically improving efficiency by using new technology (com pew ters). Hardly a Luddite.

  43. Most Ridiculous Item by slashdotmsiriv · · Score: 1

    "The greatest challenge for the traditional media now is to engage with more demanding, questioning and better educated consumers, adapting their products for new technology,"

    This is from the same guy that brought us the O'Reilly Factor. I think his statement qualifies as "Most Ridiculous Item" of the day.

  44. "24" On Demand? by tholomyes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps he should be taking his own advice. Why can't I get caught up on last week's "24" on On Demand, or iTunes? (Or any other Fox content, for that matter...)

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    When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat? -C. Palahniuk
    1. Re:"24" On Demand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rupert Murdoch only owns the news aspects of fox, not the entertainment portions. So you not being able to get "24" on demand is more of an issue of entertainment peoples piro-phobia than murdochs double speak.

  45. Niches by mysta · · Score: 1
    old media never dies, it just loses its lustre and fills smaller, less lucrative niches

    e.g., newspaper is good for wrapping fish and chips

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    "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge, and where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"-T.S.Eliot
  46. Welcome by tabatj · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our new technological overlords.

  47. The hidden meaning in Rupert's words. by Mr_Tulip · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Just search for the words "news", "sport", and "content" and replace with the word "advertising" to really understand what's going on in the online 'news' industry.

    Every day, I log onto a site affiliated with Fox or MSN, and every day, I see a new way of obscuring articles with advertising.

    Then the site is designed in such a way as to be rendered unreadable if you disable those moronic flash advertisments that float around and make you wish you'd just bought the plain old newspaper.

    aarghh!

  48. Rubert Murdoch by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rupert Murdoch has said a lot of memorable things, among them, "Silence! Sieze them!"

  49. overlords? by jollyroger1210 · · Score: 1

    I for one, (fearfully) welcome our new adapting overlords....

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  50. Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong direction by tentimestwenty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think newspapers have completely changed with the times and as a result they have shallow articles targeted at young idiots. The result is that the entire demographic that actually wants to read newspapers has been turned off. The newspaper I want today is the one we had 40 years ago. Well-researched news and human interest stories about local and international topics. Enough meat so that you can consider yourself informed and have a discussion with another person. Even the NYT reads like the USA Today.

    If newspapers just provided the service they were good at and didn't try to chase the technological trends there would be plenty of people to read them.

  51. People keep tripping on the cables... by kevinstansell · · Score: 1

    Have you considered investing in a laptop?

    1. Re:People keep tripping on the cables... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Have you considered investing in a laptop?

      Greasy fingers and the occasional spilled Coke are far more hazardous to computers, PDAs, etc. than they are to newspapers. I have a Treo 650 and sometimes read news on it if I have nothing else to do, but if I'm out to lunch, I'd rather read the paper than get my phone all gunked up.

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      20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  52. Murdoch: You will become one with the borg! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    "You will all become one with the Fox News Borg!"

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    The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
  53. Not Everyone Has A Computer by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know that a number of folks on /. might find this hard to believe, but there are a LOT of people out there who:

    1. Do not have a computer at home or are employed with one (yes, it's true)
    2. Have a computer at work or home, but only use it for work/bookeeping, and don't know rss from css.

    In either case, these people can not be reached by digital media. It just aint happening. This core group of "non computer enthusiasts" is the base market, and the target of traditional media. And these guys aren't going anywhere.

    Blue collar types generally don't picture themselves sitting in front of a PC downloading the season finale of Galactica, or reading about the RNR Hall of Fame inductions on Billboard.com ....but they do read the Daily News on the ferry on the way to work. Not that I want to generalize, but most tradesmen, cops and fireman I know have nothing more than a passing interest in computers...and even then it;s because they have to buy them for their kids.

    The media industries need to both adapt and create new content (and figure out how to make money) for the computer literate, and balance scaling back the more traditional delivery (newspapers, CD's, etc) methods. Neither side is going anywhere, though it may be a few more years before things balance out.

    wbs.

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    Huh?
    1. Re:Not Everyone Has A Computer by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I know my RSS from my CSS but every morning (that the delivery guy shows up) you'll find me with my copy of the Journal riding the subway to work. I much prefer the paper copy to the online copy for one thing I can stand and read it much easier than on a Laptop. Also it is much harder to scan an entire page worth of articles online.

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    2. Re:Not Everyone Has A Computer by tftp · · Score: 1
      but most tradesmen, cops and fireman I know have nothing more than a passing interest in computers...and even then it;s because they have to buy them for their kids.

      One day they will realize that they pay subscription fee to read garbage news professionally spewed by professional garbage writers. Nobody in newspaper industry has time to research a subject; more often than not a journalist has 3 hours to fill a spot with 800 words, and here you are.

      Or it may be that these people will never realize that they are just consumers of "infotainment" as industry [honestly] calls itself these days. Some people want predigested articles that tell them what to think. Too bad, but what can you do about it?

  54. Both aspects would be nice by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Digital age meet gutenberg age. How about something like a TiVo, but for dead tree media? A programmable dedicated printer/box/appliance that automatically printed out YOUR idea of what should be in your "newspaper" or magazine? Every morning, get up, there's today's "news" all printed out, updated, and waiting for you? And your monthly magazines, and updated tech manuals, or latest novel or short story from your favorite writer, and so on? Leave it up to the subscriber what they really wanted on paper, not a one size fits no one exactly deal like they have now. Say you want just the latest politics, favorite market analysts, a few selected sports, and you didn't want latest household tips, brides, real estate classifieds and horoscope. And so on, serious customizable choice.

    The bad part about dead tree papers and print magazines is you get so much you DON'T want, serious waste of paper and energy. I know you get this with RSS feeds, etc, I mean taking that idea a little bit further into the simple and functional electronic appliance realm.

  55. Not just newspapers by gone.fishing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It isn't just newspapers that need to embrace new technology, the same thing could be said for almost every industry. Technology's purpose is really to solve problems and improve on things. Any company that ignores those solutions and improvments will soon be left behind. Can you imagine the medical industry ignoring the X-ray machine, the CAT scan, and the MRI? Could you even imagine the manufacturing industry without the assembly line? No, yet in their day, these ideas were cutting edge technologies that before they came along, could hardly even be imagined.

    Business has been forced to adapt or die ever since the first trader figured out how to move more product cheaply in order to out-sell his competition. That probably happened hundreds of years before Jesus walked the earth. This is NOT new news folks. Newspapers aren't immune and they have adapted and changed with the times. It wasn't all that long ago where color pictures were rare in a newspaper but today, color is common, especially in the larger papers.

    I think Rupert's warning should be heeded, not just by newspapers but by all media. The most vunerable right now may be the folks that are higher-tech than the print media. It seems that the RIAA and the MPAA feel more threatened by technology than the newspapers. Thier resistance to the new kids on the block seems to be making them drag their heels in even trying to adopt the new ways in any meaningful manner.

    Those that don't learn to adapt will fall behind. They will dry up and go away. Just like they have every generation before. It is the way it is, it is a dynamic that can't be changed or protected out of existance. Adopt or die is simply a fact of life in the business world. They better damed well get used to it.

  56. Click Through Advertisements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put all the news that's fit to print on line with click through advertisements (see USA Today, etc) and add on even more google ads and private ads.

    If the on line ads generate more revenue for the newspapers, it would be a good thing.

  57. Open source defiance by Paraplex · · Score: 1

    And we need to reject this attempt to hijack a free media. The days of centralised media are gone. Newspapers, TV stations are already dead. We need to ensure that they stay this way.

    We killed the RIAA and celebrated the revolution!! the revolution is ITunes music store... I don't mean to shock anyone, but ITMS *IS* the RIAA. Our failure to deliver a timely open source solution here has centralised this at the crucial moment of popularity.

    Google is another example. We really need a bit torrent type distribution system for our search, for our email, for our news. Small chunks of data spread across many many computers with a lot of redundancy. Small enough chunks to be meaningless on their own (encrypted anyway).

    It runs a little deeper than "open source". Decentralising the media is decentralising the economy and decentralising power.

    So now is the crucial moment.

  58. Death of the MSM by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Oh Noes! All that prechewed pablum GONE! Whatever will we DOOS!!

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  59. "You Decide" by morscata12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apparently what newspapers are really missing are:
    * Bold, primary colors to inform Americans how to feel about "the issues"
    * Big, moving, symbolic images and lines
    * Stirring music
    The real problem is that newspapers are still caught up in that "facts" fad..which totally puts their necks out on the line. What if they get a fact wrong? That would prove them "uncredible" - instead, what they should be doing is telling people what to think about topics in a way that is not legally binding!
    Presenting facts and statistics is too complicated for the modern enlightened viewer. They need graphics!!

  60. Classified Ads by tsotha · · Score: 1
    I haven't seen anyone point out the most dire threat to newspapers - Craig's List. Newspapers used to provide news, comics, sports, etc as a means of getting revenue from advertisers, yes, but more imortantly the classified ads. The 25 cents (or whatever) you pay for the paper just barely covers the printing costs.

    It's not clear to me you can have a viable paper without that classified ad revenue. Murdoch is right - unless the papers get a piece of that revenue they're doomed. It really doesn't matter if Aunt Clara refuses to get a computer or not; if they can't get the classified ads back they won't be able to produce a newspaper at a price she's willing to pay.

  61. With So Many Like My Wife... by Illbay · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Not to worry. My wife's immediate response to finding something "meaningful" online: "Print it out and save it!"

    And I KNOW there are millions more like her.

    H*ll, how do you think the inkjet printer business grows by leaps and bounds every year?

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    Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
    1. Re:With So Many Like My Wife... by stephenisu · · Score: 1

      If she prints that much you might want to invest in a laser printer, it will pay for itself over a year in ink savings...

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    2. Re:With So Many Like My Wife... by Illbay · · Score: 1
      We actually have a grayscale HP 1200--it has served us well for the last four years or so. But much of what she wants to print is color, so we still use the venerable HP 1120C inkjet.

      Thought about getting a color inkjet, but now that I'm no longer self-employed there's no incentive--the consumables for color laser are, if anything, more expensive.

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      Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
  62. Oh, please... by Illbay · · Score: 2, Funny
    Rural areas still have some people who are thankful to have a phone line most hours of the day.

    With respect: Spoken like someone who probably never ventured far from suburbia--who only *thinks* he knows what "flyover country" is like.

    Technology is embraced with open arms by "rural people" my friend. Not only do they all have 24/7 telephones, they were early-adopters of satellite television and broadband internet (over their satellite dishes, a la "Starband").

    And H*ll, most of 'em even have 'lectricity and wear SHOES, if you can believe it.

    Sheesh.

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    Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
    1. Re:Oh, please... by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


      "Spoken like someone who probably never ventured far from suburbia"

      In the house I referred to, the nearest decent size town that wasn't an itty bitty dot on the map was 30 minutes away in good weather. The only internet access was over noisy phone lines that were not very reliable. Additionally, it was a long-distance call for access. There was no cable TV service at all, and satellite internet access is very expensive. Of course, I am not talking about sitting on some mountain in Montana hours and hours from anything at all, but by any modern sense of the word, it was "rural". And, I really was thankful to have my phone working on any given day.

    2. Re:Oh, please... by Illbay · · Score: 1
      And this was in the USA? H*ll, I grew up in rural Georgia (Peach County). True we had a "party line"--until about 1965! I never recall the telephone out of order, not once.

      And we wore shoes even then. The dog slept in my room. I guess that counts as "rustic."

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      Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
    3. Re:Oh, please... by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


      It is in the USA. It isn't just me, either, as I know someone who can't even get 28K on their modem, and the phone company says all they'll guarantee is 14K or 9.6K or something like that. I was luckier in that I could at least do 28K.

    4. Re:Oh, please... by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      There are still party lines in the United States..
      not many, but they are still there...

      Not gonna say where, this state is already seen as horribly backwards...

      And yeah, the printing press is still alive and well here...

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    5. Re:Oh, please... by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      Yes, "rural people" may embrace the technology, but it still hasn't reached everywhere!

      What is your definition of "rural people"?

      I know of a town not 20 miles from Kansas City that can only access the internet via the telephone. And yes, I researched it. Many times. None of the local or national broadband providers reached that area.

      And what are 24/7 phones? Do you mean available 24/7?

      With respect as well,
      Kris

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      Remember when Windows were washed, mice were trapped and UNIX guarded the harem?
    6. Re:Oh, please... by Illbay · · Score: 1

      West Virginia?

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    7. Re:Oh, please... by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      hmmmm....

      Nope! ;)

      (Honestly don't know much about West Virginia... only passed through once....)

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  63. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think newspapers have completely changed with the times and as a result they have shallow articles targeted at young idiots.

    There's been a battle going on in news organisations between accountants and idealists. What you're seeing is evidence that the accountants have won. There are far fewer journalists writing the stories and what stories are written are shared and recycled between all the news services.

    One day last year, according to journalism.org, Google News offered computer users a menu of 14,000 stories -- covering only 24 separate subjects.

    The Annual Report on American Journalism http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.com/2006/narrative_ overview_intro.asp?cat=1&media=1 concludes that the loss of professional journalists (50% less than in early 1990s) has resulted in news which is thin, repetitive, narrowly focused and insubstantial.

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  64. he's got a point by TrevelyanL85A2 · · Score: 1

    as much as some of you guys may hate him for [insert BS reason], he's got a point. Any communications medium that continues to follow one mode (like newspapers), will fail. That's why some newspapers are starting to have online versions, but they need to do more. However, if they do things like podcasts, etc., will they no longer be a newspaper, but an online news service?

  65. new technology displaces old one by Susceptor · · Score: 0

    The printing press displaced the technology of callography. Now, the press is being dispaced by newer "print' technologies, primarily the internet. A lot of the recent articles in the news make a big deal of the new technologies (cell phones, intenet sites, etc) displacing print news, but this is a trend that started over 50 years ago when people began to tune into nightly news instead of reading the paper, and even earlier than that when people used the radio to listen to the news. so will these new technologies put the final nail in the coffin of print media? My guess is no. Why? because older technologies have not killed print. People thought that video would kill the radio, but it didn't. People thought video-recorders would kill movie theatures, but it didn't. Similarly, allthough the traditional print media market may shrink, it is unlikely to die anytime soon.

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  66. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water still wet, fire still hot, and Zonk still a moron.

  67. Do or DIE! by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

    Has anybody else noticed the ballooning number of things we either have to do, or we die?

    First, it was simply Join or Die. Then Skate or Die. Vote or Die. Now this!

    Somewhere in there we had the much more lax Live and Let Die.

    I'm just glad to have made it this far.

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    ± 29 dB
  68. PSP by SpenceT2001 · · Score: 1

    They should have a service where you can download each days paper on to your PSP in the morning :)

  69. New Software Emerging by redletterrocko · · Score: 1

    This is particularly interesting because I work for a contract development shop that has been contracted to create something of a social networking/citizen journalism type site out of newspaper sites. Imagine promoting your blog and getting so much interest that what you have blogged about and the articles you have written are published in a bi-weekly periodical. Some of our sample sites can be found at Bakotopia, Northwest Voice, and Southwest Voice. In fact, this technology has become so popular that we've won an EDGIE for Most Innovative Visitor Participation (project manager's blog) I think we've taken the idea of blogs and set it to a higher level. Before, people kept coming back to sites because they wanted to read the latest blog entry (which is why I always come back to Slashdot), and now, user's come back to do that, and make their own posts, etc. It's like the draw of MySpace, with the promise of one day becoming a "freelance journalist" for the paper. I think it's a great idea, with a promising future.

  70. The end is nigh... by ATLgerm · · Score: 2

    FTA: Rupert Murdoch has stated that the 'newspaper industry needs to embrace the technological revolution of the Internet, MP3 players, laptops and mobile phones or face extinction.'"

    ...I..agree..with...Rupert Murdoch? Repent! Repent! It's a sign of the end times!

  71. Uh? by Max_W · · Score: 1

    They still print papers?

  72. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You want more human interest stories?

    Human interest = synonym for pointless fluffy page filler, is what I thought.

    I'd love news stories that weren't dumbed down, although it'd be a chore to read more than a couple a day. They should look at academic conference proceedings (kind of science-paper-lite) as their model, and publish yearly books of essential background knowledge to allow us to understand the stories (online, just link to the relevant chapter).

    p.s. did you know that the writing target (in terms of vocab and complexity) for newspapers is a 14 year old?

  73. The Slashdot tags say... by Profound · · Score: 1

    "Die Murdoch Media"

    I couldn't agree more!

    1. Re:The Slashdot tags say... by narcc · · Score: 0

      Don't you watch MacGyver? Murdoch NEVER dies!

  74. Smart Newspapers Won't Die by nic+barajas · · Score: 1

    It's impossible to say newspapers are going to drop off the face of the planet. There are a couple of main reasons why the consideration to necessarily adapt to these new technologies is ridiculous.

    (1) People should not be listening to tycoons who don't give a damn about the industry. Murdoch is telling people to blow money into new tech, when newspapers just need to stick to their guns. Good newspapers really need to do one thing: produce good content. Instead of trying to figure out podcasting and instant feedback and 10,000 ways to produce for the mobile Web, these organizations should stick to journalism. Break the story, update it, and follow through. If the story can be told several ways, tell them through these venues when appropriate. There's no reason to go crazy with figuring out all of these new things to do at the same time.

    (2) Most importantly, local coverage has been completely ignored, and it's probably the most significant weapon a local newspaper has in its arsenal. With the slight caveat of http://newsvine.com/, newspapers have inherent control of their local area. Nobody can tell a story better than they can in their town. A good city paper will beat out the NYT bureau in that city almost every day. When a smart newspaper understands this, it can find revenue from these streams. Obviously no newspaper Web site is going to try to charge for national and international stories, but the local coverage is worth something that you can't buy from many other places.

    Really, newspapers will need to strike a balance of what the community needs. Large news organizations can fill the niche of on-demand content. Newspapers need to reach deep and understand their core.

  75. Craig's List by 0xC2 · · Score: 1

    Craig's List is almost single handedly killing the local newspapers. Local papers can't afford to lose their classifieds revenue. But it's happening. They either adapt or die.

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  76. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by savorymedia · · Score: 1

    Even the NYT reads like the USA Today.

    Actually, the NYT, nowdays, reads like a political version of the Weekly World News.

    NYT HEADLINE: Bat Boy Has WMD!

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  77. Future librarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Newspaper sales are declining, Internet use is rising. As a future librarian (got my MLS this December 2005) I've had to look over the steadfastness of print on the onslaught of information explosion that's occuring.
    Pros: portable, readable, accessible, and as long as no serious floods occur it has a greater chance of surviving than most digital media storage formats. of course someone had a comment on the quality of paper now a days and it's fairly true. But this mainly applies to print in general.
    Cons: limited search capabilities, prone to damage, and very difficult to store (which is why a majority of papers are stored on to microfiche at your local public library)

    truth is we're just waiting around till technology catches up with the pros.

    http://www.ala.org/ala/alonline/selectedarticles/1 0reasonswhy.htm
    while the arguments here do not necessarily translate over to this argument, they do contain several valid points about print versus digital works.

    This guy is blowing smoke, there's no huge impending rush in even the next decade for newspapers to significantly change their business models. readership is down because there are far more distractions; tv, internet, games, etc...

    Even IF they change, it's possible people will have so many distractions it won't make a difference. I see things becoming really bad in terms of our future's intellectual capabilities if we as the next generation don't set some serious examples for future generations to come.

    A relative of mine insists there's no need for newspapers (and of course scoffs at the need for public libraries) while he can find everything he needs online. Naturally he's not a reader because the last time he wrote me something was about the "OS X" hack contest which turned out to be a farce in bad reporting.
    Having worked in the public library for a little while, there is a huge need for both Internet terminals AND periodicals.
    While I'm an Internet savvy person(I was an IT person before deciding to go the librarian route which required going back to school for a Master's in Library Science) I am a voracious reader of both print and digital works. (I even listen to books on cds while driving). I'd have to say I STILL read more things in print than I ever could of digital, because the very fact remains, I like reading a newspaper. You'll find others do too if you venture out of your circles.

  78. Hot Metal by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

    Rubbish. Bring back the old fashioned hot metal type. In the days when it was widely used, people used to READ newspapers, not just look at page 3. (And we used to walk to school in th' snow wi'out shoes, an' it were uphill BOTH ways.)

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  79. Is this from the same guy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    whose industry is trying to cling to an outdated distribution model, trying hard to ignore the internet as a medium to distribute content? The very same industry that tries to buy laws to prevent this from happening? The same industry that tries hard to outlaw ad-skipping procedures and force us to view what we don't want to?

    Calling the kettle black, Mr. Murdoch?

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  80. What??? by JollyFinn · · Score: 1

    Those who adapt new technology are facing extinction.
    Don't you see whats happening, and who gets to spread their seeds?
    Its certainly not the most technology aware population.

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  81. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by somersault · · Score: 1

    well considering most people have developed a pretty full grasp of the english language by 14, then that's not too bad a thing really. Well at least when I was 14 I read a lot more than I do now.

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  82. Change or die? by CCIEwannabe · · Score: 1

    Who moved my cheese?

  83. As long as toilets are part of our lives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as we all have to go drop a deuce, print media will stay with us. I mean, you wouldn't fold up a laptop and leave it in the stall for the next guy to use, would ya?

  84. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Most national papers are at about the 8th grade reading level, local papers have even a lower level. This is what they aim for. I'm not aware of any papers that are actually targeted at people who are smart.

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  85. I agree with Rupert Murdoch? by ElboRuum · · Score: 1

    I never thought I'd hear myself say that. As the head of a media conglomerate which could be seen as part of the problem (cookie cutter content, ratings over hard news, sensationalism over journalism, etc., etc., ad nauseam), he's completely and totally correct. The prime plaintiffs in recent intellectual property skirmishes (RIAA, MPAA) simply fail to realize that the market is changing and people want pliability in media type without paying two and three times for the same content. Since the business model is one of repackaging and resale of old product, obviously the plaintiffs are going to fight this sort of pliability tooth and nail, hiding behind the great oak of outdated copyright precedent for as long as the tree still stands.

    Of course, inertia is the prime offender in this case, and too many people make too much cash over the current system of production and distribution. Too many people are employed in positions which contribute nothing material to the product itself, too many industries are set up around the distribution of product. And that's what these associations fear, that even though the producers of product could eliminate a great amount of the cost of delivering product to the consumer simply by changing the distribution model, the distribution chain employs so many people and so many are taking a cut that resistance is primarily being pushed from that area.

    Of course, I do disagree about print media. There's just something comforting about grabbing breakfast at the local diner and sitting down with a paper. That's just me, I guess.

  86. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by somersault · · Score: 1

    I dont think you have to be 'smart' to get the news.. natural disaster here, murder here, rape here, politicians make fun of each other here :/ I dont particularly want to read the news since most of it is either sickening (murder/rape) or irrelevant (politics) for the most part to my life. I'm not sure where the natural disasters fit in, but the only thing I could do about that would be donate money for relief (which a countries government should be doing, if the world were a perfect place, and governments worked). Maybe that's being selfish, but for 'interesting' news then I come to places like Slashdot that are more targeted. The news is mostly for the mainstream, where you have to cater for the lowest common denominator.

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  87. Re:Newspapers have adapted - in the wrong directio by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
    The newspaper I want today is the one we had 40 years ago.

    I was bored in an airport and picked up a copy of the Wall Street Journal out of curiosity. I was surprised to find out that it was as good as I'd heard. Expect a decidedly pro-Capitalism bent to the financial stories, of course, but the international coverage was really comprehensive.

    The Christian Science Monitor is also very well regarded, but it's weekly instead of daily, and I can't personally vouch for it.

    If you want daily local news, though, then I suggest you buy a police scanner and attend town hall meetings - I haven't lived anywhere with decent local reporting in years. An alternative would be to hire a bum as your own personal roving reporter. The writing might not be so hot, but it'd probably be cheaper than buying a local paper and definitely much more interesting.

    I think I'll name my hobo Bernstein.

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