For price/performance right now I feel Thunderbird leads. If you want bleeding edge performance *I* would recommend a 1.33 GHz T-bird system, 256 MB of PC-2100 DDR SDRAM, and a GeForce 2 video card.
The P-4 1.5 GHz may come *close* to the performance of the 1.33 GHz Thunderbird in a few areas, and may exceed its performance in Quake 3, but for those dubious "achievments" you'll pay an extra $500 or more, money that you could use to upgrade your Thunderbird system to a nice 21" monitor, or a flat panel display.
If you are using real world applications, need floating point power for 3-D, and want your machine to be powerful across a wide variety of potential applications then the Thunderbird is the chip for you.
If you want sheer gigahertz bragging rights, do not use any office applications, don't care that Quake 3 is the only game you can play that you can boast to friends has a fantastic frame rate, don't care that the current motherboard will not support the next generation of Pentium 4's, and use Flask DiVX;-) to compress your DVDs onto a single CD then by all means go out and grab a P-4.:)
I am interested in reading about the technolgies AMD is using to reduce the thermal output of these chips. I have heard that a special (more pure, or possibly a different isotope) form of silicon is used. The core will also run at a much lower voltage.
Over on Aces' Hardware there's a story that passive cooling may be all that is needed for Palomino chips running at 1.5 GHz. Is it hype, is it truth? It would certainly be nice to be able to upgrade from my 1.0 GHz space heater to a 1.5 GHz cup warmer.:)
From what I have seen on the various tech sites it looks like Palomino will put AMD on near parity with Intel in regards to raw MHz. As the current Athlon core demonstrates clockspeed is less relevent than efficiency, but for sheer bragging rights on the desktop clock for clock even the current Athlon core *greatly* exceeds the performance of any similarly clocked Intel chip used for comparison. If Palomino has enhanced cache performance or better branch prediction it will humble Intel's best even further.
I will be interested in seeing what kind of speeds Palomino can reach on laptops.
I do not look for the P-4 to be competitive with the Athlon until it undergoes a die shrink to.13 micron to make room for more cache, and gains another FPU (as was originally planned.) I think Intel can look forward to a summer of humiliation until they get the die shrunk P-4 out to their OEMs.
And then six months later according to all indicators Sledgehammer/Clawhammer will jump up and down on P-4 and smash it into tiny little twitching bits right before it sinks its teeth into Itanium. There's no rest for the wicked.:)
Anyone remember the outgassing, the cometary debris??? The bad guy in "Armageddon" was a hodgepodge of bad theory, moving very rapidly towards a bunch of testosterone-charged morons who lucked out in that their script writers did not have a grasp of basic physics, but I digress. See
http://www.badastronomy.com for more about bad science in the media.
As for its composition, physics says it doesn't matter what the object is made out of, it could be an asteroid the size of Manhattan, a gigaton mass of Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia, or a mile wide dust bunny, if you throw it at the Earth at 70 thousand kph it's going to make a BOOM and significantly impact the surface, not "evaporate" in the atmosphere.
The speed of the object coupled with its size is such that it would traverse the distance from space to surface (our onion skin of an atmosphere) in a matter of seconds, it would not have time to "evaporate" or even break up. More than 95% of the object's energy will remain when it slams into water, or land.
I think it is correct to state that comets probably pose a greater threat than near Earth objects simply because we have been interacting with NEO's for four point five billion years. Earth has had more than enough time to make peace with its orbital partners.
On the other hand comets like Hale-Bopp and other objects with long orbital periods get tossed at us from the Oort cloud and leave us only a few months warning. It certainly makes sense to have a sensible policy for dealing with this when, not if it happens. This may not make anyone sleep easier, but something out there IS on a collision course with us, we just may be a few dozen, a few hundred, or a few thousand years away from noticing it.
Personally, I think the longer the warning, the better.:)
Assuming NASA survives all the politicians padding their districts with pork while at the same time cutting valid science programs...
which doesn't seem likely...
the Terrestrial Planet Finder tentatively scheduled for 2011 will be the mission that actually detects, images, and analyzes light reflected by Earth-sized worlds within 50 ly of Earth.
The difference between observations made by Keck, those made by SIM, and those made by TPF will be comparable to the difference between the telescope used by Galileo, the telescope used by the average small college observatory, and the Hubble.
You've got a point, but I am not certain that even the asteroid belt or the Kuiper belt will draw great crowds. With interplanetary travel the duration of trips between destinations returns to the same spans that existed when the Americas and Australia were first being settled. Being used to relatively instant travel Luna might be as far as the masses are willing to go.
Even with a cheap method of getting to another world I am not certain most people could be motivated to forgo the security of Terra firma. Changing environment is difficult enough without adjusting for the complete absence of gravity. I suspect for most people born on Earth, what we have here is what we have.
Barring some sort of material discovery akin to the various mining booms of the 1800's or the oil finds of the 1900's, getting anyone other than those persons with technical or research backgrounds to "colonize" another environment will be considerably more difficult than settling the New World was. Although the Americas were the New World, they were not a "new world" in the sense that Mars, Europa, and Titan will be.:)
As for minerals on asteroids, the moon is much closer, has most of what we want, and don't forget the tremendously rich sources of high grade materials we have buried for future generations in our land fills.
Heh, I was euphemistically placing this somewhere beyond the "25 years away from having a production fusion power plant." Hydrogen, deuterium, and tritium only need eachother for that reaction.:)
But you have a good point, assuming fusion reactors maintain their current level of unwieldyness we'd need to have an alternate energy source. We cannot go all the way to Europa and find out that there are no hydrothermal vents for us to hook turbines to. Fissiles are always a good fallback, but I can hear the howls of protests now against the first group that tries to take a reactor to an alien biome...
In retrospect I suspect we might be able to do as you suggest and harness some of the energy zapping about the Jovian system to power our machines.
Does anyone know of a way to produce an electron flow from hard radiation?
Regarding the bubble, you'd need surface access but you wouldn't want anyone living up there. I see robotic landing and fueling stations, and deep, capped shafts staggered with connecting pressure lock tunnels (to contain your atmosphere, your colonists, and a fractional portion of the ocean from squirting out into vaccuum in case of the failure of one of the pressure caps..:) )
The way I understand it, the Van Allen belts of the Jovian system basically engulf the entire system. I know Jupiter's magnetosphere, if we could see it, would be visible from Earth as a disk the size of our moon.
The Jupiter/Io interaction produces copious amounts of radiation within Io's orbit, but Jupiter's intense EM field basically bathes anything orbiting Jupiter with harsh EM flux.
Titan, although very cold and very distant has a surface pressure close to that of Earth's, meaning that structures could be build with little or no reinforcing, and movement about the surface could be easier (easier to change into an insulating wetsuit type garment than a pressure suit.) It definitely has better views.:)
As for Europa the view from the surface is spectacular, but the radiation is intense. The thing is, melting down 50 to 60 miles (according to theory) you encounter a vast ocean. 60 miles of ice makes a great radiation shield and you don't need to worry about losing atmospheric pressure. Melt a bubble shaped cavity, run an electric current through the local water, use the H2 for fuel, use the O2 for air, and import some nitrogen (or helium.)
If Europa turns out to be sterile I suspect we'll eventually see vast domes under the ice. Even if it does have life I still suspect it will figure prominently as a second home for h. sapiens.
but in my opinion to classify these volcanoes as "active" is to jump the gun. For one thing, we have never been there to label them "extinct".
There certainly may be the possibility of exploiting Mars' remaining internal heat for heating and energy needs, but first -- let's get there.:)
We have other resources we can use in the meantime until we determine whether or not areothermal energy (thank you Kim Stanley Robinson) is worth exploiting.
I had someone do that to me too. I took your advice, tried to place a note near my top comment tagging it as "not a real excerpt". I credited your comment.
And someone modded down my comment... This will prolly be modded down as flaimbait too, or offtopic, but didja ever notice how only one version of the truth is allowed? If they HAD modded my original comment up thinking it was an actual excerpt, the warning that it is NOT is apparently not what people wanted to hear...
He also says that he had taken steps to preserve his site, and is looking to relocate the site to a French server once he overcomes a small "money shortage".
This fellow never trusted eFront 100% and covered his rear end by making backup plans in case the deal with them fell through.
When is the last time you saw a transcript made public before the investigation began? This going public may prompt an investigation, and I certainly hope it does (see post #209). On the down side with the logs themselves being made public much of them may be discarded, when instead they could have been used to very effectively demonstrate/prove a case...
That helps no one.
And if during these investigations no one finds evidence that can be pursued, or if the logs themselves can be questioned in regards to factuality, then that can open an entirely new can of worms.
The bigger issue is the webmasters owed thousands of dollars, and the broken deals/contracts that keep them beholden to the e-company. If it pans out, it is certainly wrong, if not criminal.
On an aside I think I have blown more time on this discussion today than on anything I have worked on the whole previous week, but it's certainly been an interesting learning exercize.
Re:Trial by /. ? "THIS IS ONLY A MOCK EXCERPT."
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This is flamebait?
O... K... That's why I get such interesting things to metamoderate. Lemme guess, this reply is "offtopic". No wonder people post anonymously.:)
Mod up message #209, not this message. Originally buried in the replies.
Re:They are not inadmissable (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 10,@07:44PM EST (#209)
I was the first person to get the logs from the hacker (kebie) I have no idea what any of that mumbo jumbo means, especialy because I live in Canada. I originaly gave the logs out to webmasters, because I was so pissed off, #1 I hadnt been paid in 5months, and #2 my net was getting cut off.. Plus efront was trying to blackmail us into new contracts.. they wouldn't give backpay till we signed these new crazy contracts that gave us no rights at all.. Me being the webmaster who was owed next to no money ($421), took it upon myself to release the logs. If any of the other webmasters did they would liable to lose $30,000+ and their sites. The logs had only been through 1 person before me, from what I know.
Responding to the original log publisher (#209) ..
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Re:They are not inadmissable (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 10,@07:44PM EST (#209)
I was the first person to get the logs from the hacker (kebie) I have no idea what any of that mumbo jumbo means, especialy because I live in Canada. I originaly gave the logs out to webmasters, because I was so pissed off, #1 I hadnt been paid in 5months, and #2 my net was getting cut off.. Plus efront was trying to blackmail us into new contracts.. they wouldn't give backpay till we signed these new crazy contracts that gave us no rights at all.. Me being the webmaster who was owed next to no money ($421), took it upon myself to release the logs. If any of the other webmasters did they would liable to lose $30,000+ and their sites. The logs had only been through 1 person before me, from what I know.
Ask CheshireCat instead of me, sounds like he has it together a lot better than I do, but I say they need to take it to their solicitors, you too if you haven't already. It sounds and reads like the people involved with this company do have a valid case.
Cool, thank you for that clarification. I stand corrected. I would still wonder if the nature of the disclosure could be used to discredit the admissibility of the logs.
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I have been thinking, thanks to paranormalized -- whose comment I do not believe was redundant. If anyone were confused into thinking that the above faked dialog was legitimate, it is not...
I was using it to illustrate a point, that all things considered, I do not believe these logs should be taken as indisputable, irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, partially because of the "disgruntled" nature of their being revealed, andd partially because of the possibility for logs, even large ones like these to be faked.
I also believe that due to the publicity these logs will receive on/. they probably would not stand a snowball's chance in hell of being admissible as evidence in any case brought against e-what's-their-name. If there are any current investigations I can virtually guarantee that somewhere there is a prosecuting attorney going to/.'s home page and saying "oh hell, there goes a LOT of evidence."
Finally I believe that it is probably beneath SlashDot to participate in promoting questionably-substantiated views towards a company or individual.
I do not give a damn about karma. Actually what I was doing was creating an intentionally obvious fabrication to illustrate a point. You caught the date but you missed the flawed times...
And even if the facts check, the motives of the persons who released the logs publically before or during an investigation become suspect, which can also lead to the logs' authenticity being questioned. Which can lead to them being dismissed as inadmissable.
Without these logs what kind of case do these ex-employees have? What kind of case can the government build?
These logs may give cause for various agencies to begin investigations, but I assert that their value as evidence is negligible.
I also assert that the presumption of guilt towards e-whatever-they-are flies in the face of the law of the land I live in, which is innocent until proven guilty.
I think it is beneath SlashDot to participate in the defamation of a company and individuals whose guilt is only alleged, not proven.
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For price/performance right now I feel Thunderbird leads. If you want bleeding edge performance *I* would recommend a 1.33 GHz T-bird system, 256 MB of PC-2100 DDR SDRAM, and a GeForce 2 video card.
The P-4 1.5 GHz may come *close* to the performance of the 1.33 GHz Thunderbird in a few areas, and may exceed its performance in Quake 3, but for those dubious "achievments" you'll pay an extra $500 or more, money that you could use to upgrade your Thunderbird system to a nice 21" monitor, or a flat panel display.
If you are using real world applications, need floating point power for 3-D, and want your machine to be powerful across a wide variety of potential applications then the Thunderbird is the chip for you.
If you want sheer gigahertz bragging rights, do not use any office applications, don't care that Quake 3 is the only game you can play that you can boast to friends has a fantastic frame rate, don't care that the current motherboard will not support the next generation of Pentium 4's, and use Flask DiVX ;-) to compress your DVDs onto a single CD then by all means go out and grab a P-4. :)
I am interested in reading about the technolgies AMD is using to reduce the thermal output of these chips. I have heard that a special (more pure, or possibly a different isotope) form of silicon is used. The core will also run at a much lower voltage.
Over on Aces' Hardware there's a story that passive cooling may be all that is needed for Palomino chips running at 1.5 GHz. Is it hype, is it truth? It would certainly be nice to be able to upgrade from my 1.0 GHz space heater to a 1.5 GHz cup warmer. :)
From what I have seen on the various tech sites it looks like Palomino will put AMD on near parity with Intel in regards to raw MHz. As the current Athlon core demonstrates clockspeed is less relevent than efficiency, but for sheer bragging rights on the desktop clock for clock even the current Athlon core *greatly* exceeds the performance of any similarly clocked Intel chip used for comparison. If Palomino has enhanced cache performance or better branch prediction it will humble Intel's best even further.
I will be interested in seeing what kind of speeds Palomino can reach on laptops.
I do not look for the P-4 to be competitive with the Athlon until it undergoes a die shrink to .13 micron to make room for more cache, and gains another FPU (as was originally planned.) I think Intel can look forward to a summer of humiliation until they get the die shrunk P-4 out to their OEMs.
And then six months later according to all indicators Sledgehammer/Clawhammer will jump up and down on P-4 and smash it into tiny little twitching bits right before it sinks its teeth into Itanium. There's no rest for the wicked. :)
The bad guy is a comet too ... :/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh why post something like this anonymously, this is the best laugh I have had all day. :)
Kudos to whoever hybridized these headlines. Thanks for the smile. :)
Anyone remember the outgassing, the cometary debris??? The bad guy in "Armageddon" was a hodgepodge of bad theory, moving very rapidly towards a bunch of testosterone-charged morons who lucked out in that their script writers did not have a grasp of basic physics, but I digress. See http://www.badastronomy.com for more about bad science in the media.
As for its composition, physics says it doesn't matter what the object is made out of, it could be an asteroid the size of Manhattan, a gigaton mass of Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia, or a mile wide dust bunny, if you throw it at the Earth at 70 thousand kph it's going to make a BOOM and significantly impact the surface, not "evaporate" in the atmosphere.
The speed of the object coupled with its size is such that it would traverse the distance from space to surface (our onion skin of an atmosphere) in a matter of seconds, it would not have time to "evaporate" or even break up. More than 95% of the object's energy will remain when it slams into water, or land.
I think it is correct to state that comets probably pose a greater threat than near Earth objects simply because we have been interacting with NEO's for four point five billion years. Earth has had more than enough time to make peace with its orbital partners.
On the other hand comets like Hale-Bopp and other objects with long orbital periods get tossed at us from the Oort cloud and leave us only a few months warning. It certainly makes sense to have a sensible policy for dealing with this when, not if it happens. This may not make anyone sleep easier, but something out there IS on a collision course with us, we just may be a few dozen, a few hundred, or a few thousand years away from noticing it.
Personally, I think the longer the warning, the better. :)
Assuming NASA survives all the politicians padding their districts with pork while at the same time cutting valid science programs ...
which doesn't seem likely ...
the Terrestrial Planet Finder tentatively scheduled for 2011 will be the mission that actually detects, images, and analyzes light reflected by Earth-sized worlds within 50 ly of Earth.
The difference between observations made by Keck, those made by SIM, and those made by TPF will be comparable to the difference between the telescope used by Galileo, the telescope used by the average small college observatory, and the Hubble.
You've got a point, but I am not certain that even the asteroid belt or the Kuiper belt will draw great crowds. With interplanetary travel the duration of trips between destinations returns to the same spans that existed when the Americas and Australia were first being settled. Being used to relatively instant travel Luna might be as far as the masses are willing to go.
Even with a cheap method of getting to another world I am not certain most people could be motivated to forgo the security of Terra firma. Changing environment is difficult enough without adjusting for the complete absence of gravity. I suspect for most people born on Earth, what we have here is what we have.
Barring some sort of material discovery akin to the various mining booms of the 1800's or the oil finds of the 1900's, getting anyone other than those persons with technical or research backgrounds to "colonize" another environment will be considerably more difficult than settling the New World was. Although the Americas were the New World, they were not a "new world" in the sense that Mars, Europa, and Titan will be. :)
As for minerals on asteroids, the moon is much closer, has most of what we want, and don't forget the tremendously rich sources of high grade materials we have buried for future generations in our land fills.
Heh, I was euphemistically placing this somewhere beyond the "25 years away from having a production fusion power plant." Hydrogen, deuterium, and tritium only need eachother for that reaction. :)
But you have a good point, assuming fusion reactors maintain their current level of unwieldyness we'd need to have an alternate energy source. We cannot go all the way to Europa and find out that there are no hydrothermal vents for us to hook turbines to. Fissiles are always a good fallback, but I can hear the howls of protests now against the first group that tries to take a reactor to an alien biome ...
In retrospect I suspect we might be able to do as you suggest and harness some of the energy zapping about the Jovian system to power our machines.
Does anyone know of a way to produce an electron flow from hard radiation?
Regarding the bubble, you'd need surface access but you wouldn't want anyone living up there. I see robotic landing and fueling stations, and deep, capped shafts staggered with connecting pressure lock tunnels (to contain your atmosphere, your colonists, and a fractional portion of the ocean from squirting out into vaccuum in case of the failure of one of the pressure caps.. :) )
The way I understand it, the Van Allen belts of the Jovian system basically engulf the entire system. I know Jupiter's magnetosphere, if we could see it, would be visible from Earth as a disk the size of our moon.
The Jupiter/Io interaction produces copious amounts of radiation within Io's orbit, but Jupiter's intense EM field basically bathes anything orbiting Jupiter with harsh EM flux.
At least that is my understanding of it.
may turn out to be much friendlier than Mars.
Titan, although very cold and very distant has a surface pressure close to that of Earth's, meaning that structures could be build with little or no reinforcing, and movement about the surface could be easier (easier to change into an insulating wetsuit type garment than a pressure suit.) It definitely has better views. :)
As for Europa the view from the surface is spectacular, but the radiation is intense. The thing is, melting down 50 to 60 miles (according to theory) you encounter a vast ocean. 60 miles of ice makes a great radiation shield and you don't need to worry about losing atmospheric pressure. Melt a bubble shaped cavity, run an electric current through the local water, use the H2 for fuel, use the O2 for air, and import some nitrogen (or helium.)
If Europa turns out to be sterile I suspect we'll eventually see vast domes under the ice. Even if it does have life I still suspect it will figure prominently as a second home for h. sapiens.
The Kim Stanley Robinson reading list. My fault for not checking more closely the link I posted priot to this.
Apologies.
but in my opinion to classify these volcanoes as "active" is to jump the gun. For one thing, we have never been there to label them "extinct".
There certainly may be the possibility of exploiting Mars' remaining internal heat for heating and energy needs, but first -- let's get there. :)
We have other resources we can use in the meantime until we determine whether or not areothermal energy (thank you Kim Stanley Robinson) is worth exploiting.
I had someone do that to me too. I took your advice, tried to place a note near my top comment tagging it as "not a real excerpt". I credited your comment.
And someone modded down my comment ... This will prolly be modded down as flaimbait too, or offtopic, but didja ever notice how only one version of the truth is allowed? If they HAD modded my original comment up thinking it was an actual excerpt, the warning that it is NOT is apparently not what people wanted to hear ...
Oh well, the discussion was much fun. :)
Take it easy.
-Joe G.
He also says that he had taken steps to preserve his site, and is looking to relocate the site to a French server once he overcomes a small "money shortage".
This fellow never trusted eFront 100% and covered his rear end by making backup plans in case the deal with them fell through.
Excellent point re: not mentioning libel. They say cease and desist, but they don't say "this is categorically untrue."
Post your as a reply to the original blurb, not buried down here in the replies. More people should see this.
When is the last time you saw a transcript made public before the investigation began? This going public may prompt an investigation, and I certainly hope it does (see post #209). On the down side with the logs themselves being made public much of them may be discarded, when instead they could have been used to very effectively demonstrate/prove a case ...
That helps no one.
And if during these investigations no one finds evidence that can be pursued, or if the logs themselves can be questioned in regards to factuality, then that can open an entirely new can of worms.
The bigger issue is the webmasters owed thousands of dollars, and the broken deals/contracts that keep them beholden to the e-company. If it pans out, it is certainly wrong, if not criminal.
On an aside I think I have blown more time on this discussion today than on anything I have worked on the whole previous week, but it's certainly been an interesting learning exercize.
This is flamebait?
O ... K ... That's why I get such interesting things to metamoderate. Lemme guess, this reply is "offtopic". No wonder people post anonymously. :)
Mod up message #209, not this message. Originally buried in the replies.
Re:They are not inadmissable (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 10,@07:44PM EST (#209)
I was the first person to get the logs from the hacker (kebie) I have no idea what any of that mumbo jumbo means, especialy because I live in Canada. I originaly gave the logs out to webmasters, because I was so pissed off, #1 I hadnt been paid in 5months, and #2 my net was getting cut off.. Plus efront was trying to blackmail us into new contracts.. they wouldn't give backpay till we signed these new crazy contracts that gave us no rights at all.. Me being the webmaster who was owed next to no money ($421), took it upon myself to release the logs. If any of the other webmasters did they would liable to lose $30,000+ and their sites. The logs had only been through 1 person before me, from what I know.
Re:They are not inadmissable (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 10,@07:44PM EST (#209)
I was the first person to get the logs from the hacker (kebie) I have no idea what any of that mumbo jumbo means, especialy because I live in Canada. I originaly gave the logs out to webmasters, because I was so pissed off, #1 I hadnt been paid in 5months, and #2 my net was getting cut off.. Plus efront was trying to blackmail us into new contracts.. they wouldn't give backpay till we signed these new crazy contracts that gave us no rights at all.. Me being the webmaster who was owed next to no money ($421), took it upon myself to release the logs. If any of the other webmasters did they would liable to lose $30,000+ and their sites. The logs had only been through 1 person before me, from what I know.
Ask CheshireCat instead of me, sounds like he has it together a lot better than I do, but I say they need to take it to their solicitors, you too if you haven't already. It sounds and reads like the people involved with this company do have a valid case.
Excellent. :)
Regarding the nature of the record's revelation how might a court's opinion turn?
MODERATORS MOD THE POST I AM REPLYING TO UP.
Thanks again for the excellent post!
Cool, thank you for that clarification. I stand corrected. I would still wonder if the nature of the disclosure could be used to discredit the admissibility of the logs.
I have been thinking, thanks to paranormalized -- whose comment I do not believe was redundant. If anyone were confused into thinking that the above faked dialog was legitimate, it is not ...
I was using it to illustrate a point, that all things considered, I do not believe these logs should be taken as indisputable, irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, partially because of the "disgruntled" nature of their being revealed, andd partially because of the possibility for logs, even large ones like these to be faked.
I also believe that due to the publicity these logs will receive on /. they probably would not stand a snowball's chance in hell of being admissible as evidence in any case brought against e-what's-their-name. If there are any current investigations I can virtually guarantee that somewhere there is a prosecuting attorney going to /.'s home page and saying "oh hell, there goes a LOT of evidence."
Finally I believe that it is probably beneath SlashDot to participate in promoting questionably-substantiated views towards a company or individual.
I do not give a damn about karma. Actually what I was doing was creating an intentionally obvious fabrication to illustrate a point. You caught the date but you missed the flawed times ...
And even if the facts check, the motives of the persons who released the logs publically before or during an investigation become suspect, which can also lead to the logs' authenticity being questioned. Which can lead to them being dismissed as inadmissable.
Without these logs what kind of case do these ex-employees have? What kind of case can the government build?
These logs may give cause for various agencies to begin investigations, but I assert that their value as evidence is negligible.
I also assert that the presumption of guilt towards e-whatever-they-are flies in the face of the law of the land I live in, which is innocent until proven guilty.
I think it is beneath SlashDot to participate in the defamation of a company and individuals whose guilt is only alleged, not proven.
Mod all my posts down, please.
They also posted the interpretation of the link. I suspect you are probably correct though that intent could not be proven.