About what, the history. I think not. The USA goverment is based on the ancient greek system of rule, as dictated in the litarature available to Thomas Jefferson et'all at the time of the first congress. So no, I am correct. I am also correct about the French republic, and the British parlament.
Man, I'm just glad the book is over so Brian Aker can work on mod_mp3 instead of slash junk all the time. When he was working on the book, it was like he stopped working on everything else. When the book was over, there was a new version of mod_mp3 just a week later. The funny part is that nobody really knows what krow does until after he does whatever he does. Like, I didn't know about any book until the week he finished it. Funny guy. Me and another mod_mp3 user setup a slashsite about mod_mp3, maybe I should actually go get the book too. However, I hear that the book isn't for perl hackers, but rather for the person who doessn't care how the internals of slashcode work. This is direct from the Author too (well Brian anyways). Krow has told me that if there were any person he could give the book to, it would be his slash using room-mate, who runs a slash site, and knows nothing of how the insides of slash work.
Could you provide a bit more detail? I don't think anybody actually knows what your babbling about. However, the religious right frequently digs up silly topics all the time, if that is what you mean.
As far as I can recall, the french looked to the early goverment of the USA, and took ideas after the French revolution (the French goverment formed after the USA did). In the end the British were forced to adopt a stronger form of parlament, also after the idea of a congression of representatives, like in ancient Greece, or in the early American goverment. So I have looked at other systems of goverment, thank you.
Whose legal system do you thing the fledgling USA based their system upon?
Like I just wrrote, we took our system of goverment based on the ancient greek society. The greek had this term for such a goverment, it was called a DEMOCRACY. You might do some reading on the subject sometime, or at the very least look it up in the dictonary.
YES, that is true. The people in the USA offten refer to ancient laws from the coloniel days. Mainly to point a finger at the Salem Witch trials, or the church rule of small communities, and sometimes we refer to the way in that the red-coats were searching, and seaizing false evidence, or how they would torture confessions out of inocent people. Yes, we look at the old laws offten, mainly to find how NOT to reproduce the mistakes of years past. After all, those laws are the basis for the bill of rights. We certainly have much to thank the British for, their tyrany forced a more free country into existence.
Funny, I didn't see any mention of what the penalty is for the ancient crime. If it has anything to do with a head being chopped-off, then I vote to enact the law in the entire common-wealth. Then we Americans can export our spammers to these places where they can be put to death! Honestly, if the punishment is not fitting of the crime, then the criminals will continue to attack inocent email addresses.
That is correct about not allowing people anywhere near the Cicso gear: routers, or switches. I'd also say the TACAS is the way to go. About the boot registers, the hint is in the name. Even thought that is not very discrete way to get in. The solution is to lock the door of your wire closet, and fill it with noxtious non-breathable gas. Alas, the secret-5 hashing system. All I have to say in regards to secret-5 is the answer exist in polynomial-time, so it is automatically a contender for the average joe type cracker with a laptop. Even then there is logging, and triggers mechanisms to catch intruders. The answer is to track down people who attempt to login over the internet, and chop their fingers off.
That is so true... and the real problem is in developer miss-education about programming. The root is that the universities don't teach under-grad application security at an early level. They have a hard enough time to teach folks the right way to program in syntax, let alone security. It think Bruce Schneier said about his book causing people to create bad crypto systems in that they read it, think they know crypto like gods (they really don't) and go off and write bad API's.. So in that way I can agree.
On the greater subject of complexity theory, I'd say that in this day and age we will see a growth of those so called lighning strikes where that one lucky person find the hole in the systems API. Especially as computer power increases across the board.
Wow.. dude... I think your WRONG for being such a arse about your opinions. Essentially you say one person is wrong, and then write a paragraph explainnig basically what they said in a sentance. Yes, your salient poitns are correct, but they only server to fillin what the parent post already said.
Further, Cicso is not exactly know for security, and just look how easy it is to break the password on only cicsco router, or switch. Just change the rom to 0x2102, or was that 0x2101? Oh well, when you change the rom, it boots up without any security. And the passwords are not even strong. I know of many crack programs to break their password encryption scheam.
The fact is that, like the parent post points out, that when you have the entire wolrd working on this type of puzzle, it is only a matter of time, despite the good or week system involved.
Crypto is hard! You cannot test it to determine its quality, like you can with code. You have to understand it, and that is infinitely more complicated than just doing some tests. I duno... crypto is actually really easy once you get past the assumtion that it should be hard. Only people who don't really know anything about crypto tyend say its hard. That is normally because of the mystic that surrounds crypto.... sorta like the mystic that surrounds everything you don't understand. So the point now is why is this troll think he has anything to say about security?
I could not have said it any better myself, not that I could anyways. The point is well taken.
If you want something for nothing, get FreeBSD. If you want somethging for money, get OS 10. That is what Apple did, they wanted Unix for nothing, so they took BSD code and forked.
Now if only we could train the hords of OS 10 users to not depend on the gui, we admins would be in good shape.
If I were to use a magnifing glass to read an authors text that was intentionally writen too small for me to see, would that be considered using the magnafing glass as a circumvention device? The answer is yes, technically it would be circumvention.
Somebody mod this parent as "funny", or "underated" because the authore has a point, the slashdot effect should sufic to kill any of the infection sites, and with a high degree of impact.
I AM A Unix systems Admin for my company. I do not program in C/C++, nor do I write JAVA. So by your logic, that means I'm not a Unix system admin? By that logic, it would mean all Unix admins would have to write in a lang that used pointers. I hardly think all Unix admins fall under that catagory.
That statement is a dangerous one for you reputation as a good admin.
Really, how so... is my reputation damaged for asking silly questions? I don't do c/c++, or java.. the most I do is perl, and php... so my reputation for the job I do is in good form in that regards.
Clearly, the lack of pointers to me would indicate an advantage in the fact that managing the pointer would be anoying for a developer. Why not let the compiler take the burden?
"In unsafe code it is possible to declare and operate on pointers"
I'm not a computer scientist, just a unix admin. My question is: Since when has operating on pointers been considered unsafe? Pardon my lack of understanding, but with that definition, wouldn't 99.9% of all code then be considered unsafe? And does't JAAVA use pointers too? Honestly I duno..
I use FBSD, and OBSD. sorta stuck in the middle on this since FBSD doesn't think the D. Reeds license is non-free like Theo et'all believe, and rightly so. Honestly, The OBSD IP filter is supposedly better anyways. Apparently the OBSD was aware of some design flaws in IPF, and engineered their version without them. So I hear its slightly faster, and backwards compatible with Reeds IPF. Looking at the OBSD rhetoric, one might believe that they want the other BSD to consider their IPF, but don't' really care one way or the other.
Sorta like the OpenSSH, there is an original version from the SSH company, but everyone just uses OpenSSH. I see this being their same strategy for IPF clone.
simply don't make movies for them to rip, don't make music for them to copy, dont' print books for them to xerox. In fact, just stop the flow of information completely. there ya go...
Way back when I was a kid, I used to wish dearly for the actual existence of the Robotech Cyclone body armor. The motor cycles that converted into mechanized body armor (invid saga).... anyways.... forget this sissy stuff, give me a cyclone.;)
I do... I use both OpenBSD, and FreeBSD on a dailly basis. I have been using BSD for many years now, and feel very comfortable in Unix in general. How now do I get a troll telling me to go back to Linux just because I stick my neck out and yelp for a more purdy cover art on my FreeBSD dics.... Liek I said, the OpenBSD cover art is really good. Back to my point, the Daemon news people looks like they have a really nice cover art, while the Wallnut Creek discs have always been ugly. I have bought walnut discs for years, so I know. Anyways, in regards to the two websites selling the distro.... I think daemon news has a better reputation for being bsd advocate, and I think it would have been neat if they were the ones to get the freeBSD property from Wind river.
I agree, its seems like the OS is a pawn-shop mode... being traded, and used. Funny thing is that I think the Deamon news cd covers look nicers, and more evil... to appeal to my devilish side... as for the Wallnut creak cd's...they suck. The cover art is lousy. OpenBSD has good cover art, and it looks like Daemon news was working on that issue for FreeBSD. The Article mentions that it is unfourtunate for Daemon news, but I think that is daemon news plays their cards right, they could end up getting more cd sales than wallnut creek. Its possible.
Actually, like I posted above..... I think it would almost be best to take a stance on this... and creatre a new multi-media protocal for the streaming... Like... simply encapsulate the OGG or MP3 frames in another protocall. Yuck... I know... but it will eventually have to happen anyways.
Besides, I think mod_mp3 can do what they want.... mod_mp3 can act as a mp3/ogg repository.... and this is one way to use it. For example... store all our music on a mod_mp3 server, then load the mod_mp3 playlist (op=m3u2) into winamp, or xmms. Winamp can then simply act as a relay, and mod_mp3 can act as the source. THe question is if shoutcast, or icecast can then take the winamp input, and manage the change in formates from ogg to mp3, and back-and-forth. I don't think shoutcast can handle that situation... at least it couldn't a few versions ago (prior to the advent of mod_mp3)
Basically put, shoutcast make a few assumptions about the input stream based on what the input type was of the first item it streams... if that was an mp3... the rest of the stream will be handled like a mp3....
also... winamp is weird... if you notice... it has to first sample the input stream to check if it is ogg first, and then it check to see if the input is mp3. I found this info out after some serrious debug time with winamp... so.. if you want to have ogg stream... it had better be the first item that winamp gets.
What we need is to create a new protocol that can handle different payloads. There are many problems with both methods in use today.
For instance, id3v2 has lyric tags that can be synchronized to the music. However, the reason you cannot have a player with the feature to sing-along to the bouncing ball is because the shoutcast, and icecast protocols don't support title streaming. They are also designed for one media type at a time... mp3 or ogg. Both were originally designed for just mp3 streaming.
The two methods both seem like hacks...
I'd like to see a new system that is based on xml for the meta data.. like the title-streaming. Maybe a multi channel system one being for the data stream, another for the Meta data.
Honestly the hard part isn't getting a new standard for streaming... its getting the people who make the decoders that have the issues. They would have to understand the protocals, and since these are the same people that came up with the two compeiting formats we have now... its pointless batle.
Sometimes people just have no life, or they maybe have a reason to not like the holidays and prefer to work. Maybe this person feels its more productive while others are in holiday hiatus.... Who know.... But I say there is no point is wasting a free holiday..... heck... its you're life, waste it (or not) any way you please.
I once had to work from xmass-eve all the way to new years day in a tech support call center. Thing is that was the y2k holiday, and actually the phones were dead on the 1st, but that was a Sunday, after the big party... I worked like 10 days straight... and had the 2nd off. Thing is that the 2nd was a Monday, the first one after y2k. To make this story short, I got fired on the 2nd because I would not come to work as they were short staffed, and Monday was when they got slammed with too many calls. I hadn't had a day off in over 10 days, and had worked OT all that time, and the 2nd was my only day off for the entire holiday. But I was a contractor, and this was a Microsoft windows 98 call center. The manager was mad that I refused to come into work, and since I was a contractor, I think you get the picture. I would have done anything to get a day off for the holiday, even after the holiday was over... even if it meant losing my job.
However, now I'm a Unix admin now, and I would say that going to work on a holiday would be kind of nice since I wouldn't have to deal with the annoying co-workers, who only serve to distract me. I say that I get more productive work done when the office is vacant, except for me... and to top it off... the holidays really are not that cool... you waste money, and it's the same old affair each year... work isn't so bad....
I guess the moral of the story is that the holidays are special for people who have to work hard, and especially important to the people who have to work on the holidays, like the service industry... However... put a person in a situation where they have holidays off, and salary, and working on the holidays doesn't seem so bad.... Considering the alternative... boring holidays. =)
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About what, the history. I think not. The USA goverment is based on the ancient greek system of rule, as dictated in the litarature available to Thomas Jefferson et'all at the time of the first congress. So no, I am correct. I am also correct about the French republic, and the British parlament.
Man, I'm just glad the book is over so Brian Aker can work on mod_mp3 instead of slash junk all the time. When he was working on the book, it was like he stopped working on everything else. When the book was over, there was a new version of mod_mp3 just a week later. The funny part is that nobody really knows what krow does until after he does whatever he does. Like, I didn't know about any book until the week he finished it. Funny guy. Me and another mod_mp3 user setup a slashsite about mod_mp3, maybe I should actually go get the book too. However, I hear that the book isn't for perl hackers, but rather for the person who doessn't care how the internals of slashcode work. This is direct from the Author too (well Brian anyways). Krow has told me that if there were any person he could give the book to, it would be his slash using room-mate, who runs a slash site, and knows nothing of how the insides of slash work.
Could you provide a bit more detail? I don't think anybody actually knows what your babbling about. However, the religious right frequently digs up silly topics all the time, if that is what you mean.
As far as I can recall, the french looked to the early goverment of the USA, and took ideas after the French revolution (the French goverment formed after the USA did). In the end the British were forced to adopt a stronger form of parlament, also after the idea of a congression of representatives, like in ancient Greece, or in the early American goverment. So I have looked at other systems of goverment, thank you.
Whose legal system do you thing the fledgling USA based their system upon?
Like I just wrrote, we took our system of goverment based on the ancient greek society. The greek had this term for such a goverment, it was called a DEMOCRACY. You might do some reading on the subject sometime, or at the very least look it up in the dictonary.
YES, that is true. The people in the USA offten refer to ancient laws from the coloniel days. Mainly to point a finger at the Salem Witch trials, or the church rule of small communities, and sometimes we refer to the way in that the red-coats were searching, and seaizing false evidence, or how they would torture confessions out of inocent people. Yes, we look at the old laws offten, mainly to find how NOT to reproduce the mistakes of years past. After all, those laws are the basis for the bill of rights. We certainly have much to thank the British for, their tyrany forced a more free country into existence.
Funny, I didn't see any mention of what the penalty is for the ancient crime. If it has anything to do with a head being chopped-off, then I vote to enact the law in the entire common-wealth. Then we Americans can export our spammers to these places where they can be put to death! Honestly, if the punishment is not fitting of the crime, then the criminals will continue to attack inocent email addresses.
Its easy, just block the proxy network, and boom... its blocked again. That was easy!
That is correct about not allowing people anywhere near the Cicso gear: routers, or switches. I'd also say the TACAS is the way to go. About the boot registers, the hint is in the name. Even thought that is not very discrete way to get in. The solution is to lock the door of your wire closet, and fill it with noxtious non-breathable gas. Alas, the secret-5 hashing system. All I have to say in regards to secret-5 is the answer exist in polynomial-time, so it is automatically a contender for the average joe type cracker with a laptop. Even then there is logging, and triggers mechanisms to catch intruders. The answer is to track down people who attempt to login over the internet, and chop their fingers off.
That is so true... and the real problem is in developer miss-education about programming. The root is that the universities don't teach under-grad application security at an early level. They have a hard enough time to teach folks the right way to program in syntax, let alone security. It think Bruce Schneier said about his book causing people to create bad crypto systems in that they read it, think they know crypto like gods (they really don't) and go off and write bad API's.. So in that way I can agree.
On the greater subject of complexity theory, I'd say that in this day and age we will see a growth of those so called lighning strikes where that one lucky person find the hole in the systems API. Especially as computer power increases across the board.
Wow.. dude... I think your WRONG for being such a arse about your opinions. Essentially you say one person is wrong, and then write a paragraph explainnig basically what they said in a sentance. Yes, your salient poitns are correct, but they only server to fillin what the parent post already said.
Further, Cicso is not exactly know for security, and just look how easy it is to break the password on only cicsco router, or switch. Just change the rom to 0x2102, or was that 0x2101? Oh well, when you change the rom, it boots up without any security. And the passwords are not even strong. I know of many crack programs to break their password encryption scheam.
The fact is that, like the parent post points out, that when you have the entire wolrd working on this type of puzzle, it is only a matter of time, despite the good or week system involved.
Crypto is hard! You cannot test it to determine its quality, like you can with code. You have to understand it, and that is infinitely more complicated than just doing some tests. I duno... crypto is actually really easy once you get past the assumtion that it should be hard. Only people who don't really know anything about crypto tyend say its hard. That is normally because of the mystic that surrounds crypto.... sorta like the mystic that surrounds everything you don't understand. So the point now is why is this troll think he has anything to say about security?
Can you say user land.... and since when did the kernel mean the entire OS?
I could not have said it any better myself, not that I could anyways. The point is well taken.
If you want something for nothing, get FreeBSD. If you want somethging for money, get OS 10. That is what Apple did, they wanted Unix for nothing, so they took BSD code and forked.
Now if only we could train the hords of OS 10 users to not depend on the gui, we admins would be in good shape.
If I were to use a magnifing glass to read an authors text that was intentionally writen too small for me to see, would that be considered using the magnafing glass as a circumvention device? The answer is yes, technically it would be circumvention.
Somebody mod this parent as "funny", or "underated" because the authore has a point, the slashdot effect should sufic to kill any of the infection sites, and with a high degree of impact.
I AM A Unix systems Admin for my company. I do not program in C/C++, nor do I write JAVA. So by your logic, that means I'm not a Unix system admin? By that logic, it would mean all Unix admins would have to write in a lang that used pointers. I hardly think all Unix admins fall under that catagory.
That statement is a dangerous one for you reputation as a good admin.
Really, how so... is my reputation damaged for asking silly questions? I don't do c/c++, or java.. the most I do is perl, and php... so my reputation for the job I do is in good form in that regards.
Clearly, the lack of pointers to me would indicate an advantage in the fact that managing the pointer would be anoying for a developer. Why not let the compiler take the burden?
"In unsafe code it is possible to declare and operate on pointers"
I'm not a computer scientist, just a unix admin. My question is: Since when has operating on pointers been considered unsafe? Pardon my lack of understanding, but with that definition, wouldn't 99.9% of all code then be considered unsafe? And does't JAAVA use pointers too? Honestly I duno..
I use FBSD, and OBSD. sorta stuck in the middle on this since FBSD doesn't think the D. Reeds license is non-free like Theo et'all believe, and rightly so. Honestly, The OBSD IP filter is supposedly better anyways. Apparently the OBSD was aware of some design flaws in IPF, and engineered their version without them. So I hear its slightly faster, and backwards compatible with Reeds IPF. Looking at the OBSD rhetoric, one might believe that they want the other BSD to consider their IPF, but don't' really care one way or the other.
Sorta like the OpenSSH, there is an original version from the SSH company, but everyone just uses OpenSSH. I see this being their same strategy for IPF clone.
simply don't make movies for them to rip, don't make music for them to copy, dont' print books for them to xerox. In fact, just stop the flow of information completely. there ya go...
Way back when I was a kid, I used to wish dearly for the actual existence of the Robotech Cyclone body armor. The motor cycles that converted into mechanized body armor (invid saga).... anyways.... forget this sissy stuff, give me a cyclone. ;)
I do... I use both OpenBSD, and FreeBSD on a dailly basis. I have been using BSD for many years now, and feel very comfortable in Unix in general. How now do I get a troll telling me to go back to Linux just because I stick my neck out and yelp for a more purdy cover art on my FreeBSD dics.... Liek I said, the OpenBSD cover art is really good. Back to my point, the Daemon news people looks like they have a really nice cover art, while the Wallnut Creek discs have always been ugly. I have bought walnut discs for years, so I know. Anyways, in regards to the two websites selling the distro.... I think daemon news has a better reputation for being bsd advocate, and I think it would have been neat if they were the ones to get the freeBSD property from Wind river.
I agree, its seems like the OS is a pawn-shop mode... being traded, and used. Funny thing is that I think the Deamon news cd covers look nicers, and more evil... to appeal to my devilish side... as for the Wallnut creak cd's...they suck. The cover art is lousy. OpenBSD has good cover art, and it looks like Daemon news was working on that issue for FreeBSD. The Article mentions that it is unfourtunate for Daemon news, but I think that is daemon news plays their cards right, they could end up getting more cd sales than wallnut creek. Its possible.
Actually, like I posted above..... I think it would almost be best to take a stance on this... and creatre a new multi-media protocal for the streaming... Like... simply encapsulate the OGG or MP3 frames in another protocall. Yuck... I know... but it will eventually have to happen anyways.
Besides, I think mod_mp3 can do what they want.... mod_mp3 can act as a mp3/ogg repository.... and this is one way to use it. For example... store all our music on a mod_mp3 server, then load the mod_mp3 playlist (op=m3u2) into winamp, or xmms. Winamp can then simply act as a relay, and mod_mp3 can act as the source. THe question is if shoutcast, or icecast can then take the winamp input, and manage the change in formates from ogg to mp3, and back-and-forth. I don't think shoutcast can handle that situation... at least it couldn't a few versions ago (prior to the advent of mod_mp3)
Basically put, shoutcast make a few assumptions about the input stream based on what the input type was of the first item it streams... if that was an mp3... the rest of the stream will be handled like a mp3....
also... winamp is weird... if you notice... it has to first sample the input stream to check if it is ogg first, and then it check to see if the input is mp3. I found this info out after some serrious debug time with winamp... so.. if you want to have ogg stream... it had better be the first item that winamp gets.
What we need is to create a new protocol that can handle different payloads. There are many problems with both methods in use today.
For instance, id3v2 has lyric tags that can be synchronized to the music. However, the reason you cannot have a player with the feature to sing-along to the bouncing ball is because the shoutcast, and icecast protocols don't support title streaming. They are also designed for one media type at a time... mp3 or ogg. Both were originally designed for just mp3 streaming.
The two methods both seem like hacks...
I'd like to see a new system that is based on xml for the meta data.. like the title-streaming. Maybe a multi channel system one being for the data stream, another for the Meta data.
Honestly the hard part isn't getting a new standard for streaming... its getting the people who make the decoders that have the issues. They would have to understand the protocals, and since these are the same people that came up with the two compeiting formats we have now... its pointless batle.
Sometimes people just have no life, or they maybe have a reason to not like the holidays and prefer to work. Maybe this person feels its more productive while others are in holiday hiatus.... Who know.... But I say there is no point is wasting a free holiday..... heck... its you're life, waste it (or not) any way you please.
I once had to work from xmass-eve all the way to new years day in a tech support call center. Thing is that was the y2k holiday, and actually the phones were dead on the 1st, but that was a Sunday, after the big party... I worked like 10 days straight... and had the 2nd off. Thing is that the 2nd was a Monday, the first one after y2k. To make this story short, I got fired on the 2nd because I would not come to work as they were short staffed, and Monday was when they got slammed with too many calls. I hadn't had a day off in over 10 days, and had worked OT all that time, and the 2nd was my only day off for the entire holiday. But I was a contractor, and this was a Microsoft windows 98 call center. The manager was mad that I refused to come into work, and since I was a contractor, I think you get the picture. I would have done anything to get a day off for the holiday, even after the holiday was over... even if it meant losing my job.
However, now I'm a Unix admin now, and I would say that going to work on a holiday would be kind of nice since I wouldn't have to deal with the annoying co-workers, who only serve to distract me. I say that I get more productive work done when the office is vacant, except for me... and to top it off... the holidays really are not that cool... you waste money, and it's the same old affair each year... work isn't so bad....
I guess the moral of the story is that the holidays are special for people who have to work hard, and especially important to the people who have to work on the holidays, like the service industry... However... put a person in a situation where they have holidays off, and salary, and working on the holidays doesn't seem so bad.... Considering the alternative... boring holidays. =)