Please do not use concepts you do not understand. He didn't use an ad hominem. He asked you to educate your self on a topic, that's not an ad hominem. You do need to.
...and, as we all know, the avoidable (particularly if it is man-made) radiation is incredibly much more dangerous than unavoidable and "natural" radiation.
There is also no scientific proof that we have evolution from one species to another
Here is an interesting piece of fact for you. We have more supporting data for speciation (using genetic evidence) than we have for gravity. You don't believe in gravity either?
Original what? A square screen with rounded corners and a bevel is basically what you'd call "obvious". Calling it a copy is insane. Flat screen TVs pre-dates the iPhone, and they look identical.
Maybe they genuinely believe people shouldn't duplicate their functionality
Yes, a square screen with a black bevel is "functionality". But whatever. Isn't duplicating functionality what everybody in the industry does? Where are the Apple innovations? NLE, they didn't innovate that. Photo editing software. Same thing. Copied by apple. Windows and mouse. Copied.
They limit choice, and thereby affect him, and everybody else. If you care about technology today and you buy Apple, you're an idiot. Apple is stifling innovation with lawsuits and they do not innovate themselves.
To me both Kino and KDENLive seems like perfect for casual users
Really? Most "casual users" today have cameras and camcorders that record in 1080 or 720 AVC, which Kino can not edit. How do you expect most "casual users" to use Kino? Transcode the 1080 or 720 AVC to standard def DV-AVI? Why on earth would they want to drop all that resolution?
Kdenlive is another matter. It has a good set of features and it can use a decent variety of video formats. This is great. I could see my self using Kdenlive in a pinch if I needed to edit video on Linux. It has an identity problem though. For the casual user, the iMovie guy, Kdenlive is simply too difficult to start out with. It isn't particularly user friendly, and the casual user is going to get lost and give up, returning to iMove, Sony or any of that ilk. This means, as it is now, Kdenlive would find an audience in the Premiere Pro, Vegas Pro crowd. There it can't compete. Not even in the same sport.
The main developer for Kdenlive seems to be good, and he's had some opportunity to work exclusively on Kdenlive. I will be paying attention since having a good video editor on Linux would ease my day. It can't replace my Premiere Pro at the moment though. That'll take a lot of work.
What I call Kino? Compared to what? Compared to, for example, Sony Movie Studio? Not dog shit, it would be offensive. "Not even in the same league, game or universe" perhaps? Lets see. AVI editing only. Standard def only. Editing video from a camcorder or camera purchased after 2000? Nope, not really.
Kino is not a contender at all in any market. It doesn't do consumer since it does DV-AVI only (most camcorders and cameras after 2000 are either HDV on tape or some sort of H.264 on memory cards), it has none of what consumers wants (terrible effects, fades etc) and it is not in the same ballpark when it comes to usability. Kino doesn't work at all for the prosumer or enthusiast of course. For the pro. Perhaps some time in the 1980s it would have been interesting with its current feature set...
If Kino was commersial software I would call it a joke, as an enthusiasts development project it is cool, it borders, however, on "useless" for any market.
And what do you have on Windows then? Movie Maker?
That was a joke right? If it wasn't you have just proven you are an idiot.
Blender is a great video editor for advanced stuff
Not really, no. Blender is an excellent tool, but it can't be said to be an appropriate NLE for Linux. It's the closest you're going to get though. The problem with Blender is that it is far too complicated for a casual user (someone using iMovie, Premiere Express, Sony Movie Studio etc). For a pro it would work quite well except for the fact that a pro will use Maya. It's the "standard" (or 3DS Max) and for team work it is "required". I like the way Blender is going, but I am not sure it will make a dent in Maya or 3DS Max sales. For consumers - fuggedahboudit.
There is a wide variety of video stuff on Windows. From Sony Movie Studio (or whatever they are calling it now) and Adobe Premiere Express for the consumer end, to Sony Vegas Pro and Premiere Pro on the prosumer and video end (film pro's use Avid almost exclusively no matter what Apple says). The closest you get to any of this is Cinellara, and it is not suited for any of these markets. For the consumer or enthusiast (say am iMovie or Sony Movie Studio user) Cinellara is cumbersome and difficult, for a Sony Vegas Pro user it is cumbersome and difficult and lacks features needed. For a Permiere Pro user it is a toy that is not usable.
Most of your complaints seem to be about usability
Then I would have to suggest you take more classes in basic reading. Reading 101 should be a good place to start.
Or is it that you make a living working with the OS from Redmond?
Which part of "Since I deploy on Linux, building and testing on Linux is and advantage" did you not understand? I am responsible for a piece of software running on JBoss (Java, Red Hat) with a web client, a Windows client (that is where the.NET part comes in, see above) and Office integration. The majority of the code is Java on Linux.
It is amusing when cool-aid drinking religious nuts always think that someone who disagrees with their religious views must have no experience with said religion. Reality my friend is that most adults do not have a religious relationship with the OS they are running. Sadly, far too many Linux advocates do. You're a member of a cult my friend. You can be cured. See a shrink about it.
No, it doesn't. What this discussion shows is that you don't know the difference between "opinion" and "fact". I don't disagree with you. Reality disagrees with you. You have been asking why reality is the way reality is, and that NASA is to blame for the fact that the real world is not to your liking. That is absurd. Bordering on insane. What you are asking NASA to do can not be done because the laws of physics prevents it. You have in essence been blaming NASA for the fact that objects fall down. That is absurd. You have therefore proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are an ignorant idiot.
anything anyone needs a computer at home for, Linux has more than enough software for anyone's needs
This simply isn't true. There is no consumer-level video editing suite, there is no consumer level photo editing suite, Picasa runs under Wine, but now we're starting to expect too much from the end user who doesn't even know that he can search his documents by pressing Ctrl+F. GiMP is OK, but for the enthusiast photo market there is nothing at all. Enthusiasts use Lightroom on Windows and Aperture on Mac, they also use Photoshop. Nothing of that ilk exists on Linux. I have a couple of photo-montage software packages for Windows, I have a couple of HDR packages. Nothing for Linux. People play games, but not really on Linux.
Truth is, to get something close to a usable Linux box with consumer software you'll struggle. You'll run into problems calibrating your monitor. You'll probably struggle with that great nVidia graphics card the guy in the store told you would make things fast and smooth. You'll have problems printing photos on photo paper on that excellent ink-jet that just came out, etc.
Anyone who thinks Linux today is polished and easy enough for the average consumer is delusional. It simply isn't. Not even close. The average user doesn't know the difference between a program running and the data it is manipulating. They do not understand the difference between a web page and a Office document. Expecting them to know how to run a Linux box is absurd.
Google says you're wrong.
No, it doesn't. I didn't say there wasn't video editing software, I said there was no "real possibility of editing video". There is a difference. Video editing is hard. Linux is not a platform that has a working user-friendly (to the degree that that is possible) solution.
If Linux lacks quality, why do you use it every day?
Because I use the kind of software that has high quality on Linux. I deliver software that is to run on Linux (JBoss). Eclipse on Linux (Ubuntu) is quite a platform for developing software. I can do both Java and Ruby stuff in the same IDE, it is awesome (even more awesome on Windows, where there are fewer GUI problems). Since I deploy on Linux, building and testing on Linux is and advantage. That is why I run Linux every day. At work. Windows mostly at home, but running Ubuntu in a VM if I want to do some work-related stuff for Linux.
For none of this I need photo management software, that I have at home. On Windows. On a PC with a calibrated monitor and a calibrated printer.
BTW, I also write C# software on Windows, and Visual Studio 2010 blows Eclipse out of the water. Big time. It is probably the most productive IDE there is, if you develop for Windows.
...Linux experience... fully adequate for the most part.
and therein lies the problem. There is no real video editor on Linux. Not for beginners nor for advanced stuff. There is nothing like Lightroom or Aperture on Linux. I respectfully disagree that Libre/Open Office is sufficient, for most users (not you or I) it is a step backwards.
That the Windows OEMs have not been able (for the most part) to build quality hardware is the reason Microsoft has no choice but doing this. OEMs should stop whining, hire a couple of designers and start building quality hardware. Hell, they don't even need good designers. Lenovo does great laptops with no design whatsoever.
This is very true, and 2013 (to agree even 2012) is the year of Linux "in the hand", rather than "on the desktop/laptop". There is a problem however, and it was created by Apple, and first noticed by Apple. People have strong loyalty to their desktop and laptops. One reason is that all of the really important software they have run on their desktop/laptop. They also have one at work. The software they have purchased is quite expensive, so they are not very willing to change platform.
Contrast this with the phone market, and to a similar extent the tablet market, where people do not have much platform loyalty nor brand loyalty. Phones are fashion statements. Once the iPhone was what the cool kids wanted, but that (from my extensive research among the teens I know) is no longer the case. Now the Galaxy SIII is what the cool kids wants, and they are dumping their iPhones. Next year it'll probably be something new. With zero loyalty maintaining market share is almost impossible. With Apple staying with a fixed for factor and rather minor changes to the OS (at least cosmetically) they are going to struggle to take back the throne. Since applications are dirt cheap for the phone, there is no way they can use that to maintain brand loyalty. "I wasn't using those old apps any way, there are so many cool new apps out there".
The Windows Surface will probably fare better, since it replaces both a laptop and a tablet, making it cheaper by $499 than the iPad, and an essential buy. I know of no person (teen or adult) who has an iPad as their primary computing device. They all have either Macs or Windows laptops.
The only way Acer is good bang for a Buck is if you Bang a Buck to death with it. Acer is an abomination. Just their keyboards should have landed the designers in a specially constructed circle of Hell.
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Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'
Sigh. The Open Group owns Unix, there is no propaganda involved. Oh, and it is not UNIX nor is it "zero Unix sources".
Let me disambiguate: You just proved his point.
Whether there is Unix source "in it" or not is irrelevant. Unix is a a standard, not a source tree. If you are open group certified you are Unix.
Please do not use concepts you do not understand. He didn't use an ad hominem. He asked you to educate your self on a topic, that's not an ad hominem. You do need to.
Radiation in Denver is unavoidable
...and, as we all know, the avoidable (particularly if it is man-made) radiation is incredibly much more dangerous than unavoidable and "natural" radiation.
There is also no scientific proof that we have evolution from one species to another
Here is an interesting piece of fact for you. We have more supporting data for speciation (using genetic evidence) than we have for gravity. You don't believe in gravity either?
but we can't teach alternative theories?
Of course we can, and we will. Once there are alternative theories. Currently there are no alternative theories. Not a single one.
Original what? A square screen with rounded corners and a bevel is basically what you'd call "obvious". Calling it a copy is insane. Flat screen TVs pre-dates the iPhone, and they look identical.
Maybe they genuinely believe people shouldn't duplicate their functionality
Yes, a square screen with a black bevel is "functionality". But whatever. Isn't duplicating functionality what everybody in the industry does? Where are the Apple innovations? NLE, they didn't innovate that. Photo editing software. Same thing. Copied by apple. Windows and mouse. Copied.
Apple a tech company? You must be joking.
"Douchebaggish" like copying instead of developing your own stuff
All companies do. Apple is the master of this. Apple is not a technology company at all, it is a marketing company. Just like Google. No innovation.
They limit choice, and thereby affect him, and everybody else. If you care about technology today and you buy Apple, you're an idiot. Apple is stifling innovation with lawsuits and they do not innovate themselves.
Or, as google called it when they re-invented that horrifyingly destructive mess, Native Client. ActiveX ressurected in Chrome!
Well, there's your problem right there. Red Hat is NOT a good desktop distro
I know it isn't, and I should have been more elaborate in my response. The software is running on JBoss, my dev environment is Ubuntu.
Try Mandriva or Ubuntu
Neither of which can edit video or photo without an application, which currently doesn't exist.
To me both Kino and KDENLive seems like perfect for casual users
Really? Most "casual users" today have cameras and camcorders that record in 1080 or 720 AVC, which Kino can not edit. How do you expect most "casual users" to use Kino? Transcode the 1080 or 720 AVC to standard def DV-AVI? Why on earth would they want to drop all that resolution?
Kdenlive is another matter. It has a good set of features and it can use a decent variety of video formats. This is great. I could see my self using Kdenlive in a pinch if I needed to edit video on Linux. It has an identity problem though. For the casual user, the iMovie guy, Kdenlive is simply too difficult to start out with. It isn't particularly user friendly, and the casual user is going to get lost and give up, returning to iMove, Sony or any of that ilk. This means, as it is now, Kdenlive would find an audience in the Premiere Pro, Vegas Pro crowd. There it can't compete. Not even in the same sport.
The main developer for Kdenlive seems to be good, and he's had some opportunity to work exclusively on Kdenlive. I will be paying attention since having a good video editor on Linux would ease my day. It can't replace my Premiere Pro at the moment though. That'll take a lot of work.
Ah, now I get it, you were trying to make a funny joke. Sorry.
What I call Kino? Compared to what? Compared to, for example, Sony Movie Studio? Not dog shit, it would be offensive. "Not even in the same league, game or universe" perhaps? Lets see. AVI editing only. Standard def only. Editing video from a camcorder or camera purchased after 2000? Nope, not really.
Kino is not a contender at all in any market. It doesn't do consumer since it does DV-AVI only (most camcorders and cameras after 2000 are either HDV on tape or some sort of H.264 on memory cards), it has none of what consumers wants (terrible effects, fades etc) and it is not in the same ballpark when it comes to usability. Kino doesn't work at all for the prosumer or enthusiast of course. For the pro. Perhaps some time in the 1980s it would have been interesting with its current feature set...
If Kino was commersial software I would call it a joke, as an enthusiasts development project it is cool, it borders, however, on "useless" for any market.
And what do you have on Windows then? Movie Maker?
That was a joke right? If it wasn't you have just proven you are an idiot.
Blender is a great video editor for advanced stuff
Not really, no. Blender is an excellent tool, but it can't be said to be an appropriate NLE for Linux. It's the closest you're going to get though. The problem with Blender is that it is far too complicated for a casual user (someone using iMovie, Premiere Express, Sony Movie Studio etc). For a pro it would work quite well except for the fact that a pro will use Maya. It's the "standard" (or 3DS Max) and for team work it is "required". I like the way Blender is going, but I am not sure it will make a dent in Maya or 3DS Max sales. For consumers - fuggedahboudit.
There is a wide variety of video stuff on Windows. From Sony Movie Studio (or whatever they are calling it now) and Adobe Premiere Express for the consumer end, to Sony Vegas Pro and Premiere Pro on the prosumer and video end (film pro's use Avid almost exclusively no matter what Apple says). The closest you get to any of this is Cinellara, and it is not suited for any of these markets. For the consumer or enthusiast (say am iMovie or Sony Movie Studio user) Cinellara is cumbersome and difficult, for a Sony Vegas Pro user it is cumbersome and difficult and lacks features needed. For a Permiere Pro user it is a toy that is not usable.
Most of your complaints seem to be about usability
Then I would have to suggest you take more classes in basic reading. Reading 101 should be a good place to start.
Or is it that you make a living working with the OS from Redmond?
Which part of "Since I deploy on Linux, building and testing on Linux is and advantage" did you not understand? I am responsible for a piece of software running on JBoss (Java, Red Hat) with a web client, a Windows client (that is where the .NET part comes in, see above) and Office integration. The majority of the code is Java on Linux.
It is amusing when cool-aid drinking religious nuts always think that someone who disagrees with their religious views must have no experience with said religion. Reality my friend is that most adults do not have a religious relationship with the OS they are running. Sadly, far too many Linux advocates do. You're a member of a cult my friend. You can be cured. See a shrink about it.
No, it doesn't. What this discussion shows is that you don't know the difference between "opinion" and "fact". I don't disagree with you. Reality disagrees with you. You have been asking why reality is the way reality is, and that NASA is to blame for the fact that the real world is not to your liking. That is absurd. Bordering on insane. What you are asking NASA to do can not be done because the laws of physics prevents it. You have in essence been blaming NASA for the fact that objects fall down. That is absurd. You have therefore proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are an ignorant idiot.
anything anyone needs a computer at home for, Linux has more than enough software for anyone's needs
This simply isn't true. There is no consumer-level video editing suite, there is no consumer level photo editing suite, Picasa runs under Wine, but now we're starting to expect too much from the end user who doesn't even know that he can search his documents by pressing Ctrl+F. GiMP is OK, but for the enthusiast photo market there is nothing at all. Enthusiasts use Lightroom on Windows and Aperture on Mac, they also use Photoshop. Nothing of that ilk exists on Linux. I have a couple of photo-montage software packages for Windows, I have a couple of HDR packages. Nothing for Linux. People play games, but not really on Linux.
Truth is, to get something close to a usable Linux box with consumer software you'll struggle. You'll run into problems calibrating your monitor. You'll probably struggle with that great nVidia graphics card the guy in the store told you would make things fast and smooth. You'll have problems printing photos on photo paper on that excellent ink-jet that just came out, etc.
Anyone who thinks Linux today is polished and easy enough for the average consumer is delusional. It simply isn't. Not even close. The average user doesn't know the difference between a program running and the data it is manipulating. They do not understand the difference between a web page and a Office document. Expecting them to know how to run a Linux box is absurd.
Google says you're wrong.
No, it doesn't. I didn't say there wasn't video editing software, I said there was no "real possibility of editing video". There is a difference. Video editing is hard. Linux is not a platform that has a working user-friendly (to the degree that that is possible) solution.
If Linux lacks quality, why do you use it every day?
Because I use the kind of software that has high quality on Linux. I deliver software that is to run on Linux (JBoss). Eclipse on Linux (Ubuntu) is quite a platform for developing software. I can do both Java and Ruby stuff in the same IDE, it is awesome (even more awesome on Windows, where there are fewer GUI problems). Since I deploy on Linux, building and testing on Linux is and advantage. That is why I run Linux every day. At work. Windows mostly at home, but running Ubuntu in a VM if I want to do some work-related stuff for Linux.
For none of this I need photo management software, that I have at home. On Windows. On a PC with a calibrated monitor and a calibrated printer.
BTW, I also write C# software on Windows, and Visual Studio 2010 blows Eclipse out of the water. Big time. It is probably the most productive IDE there is, if you develop for Windows.
...Linux experience ... fully adequate for the most part.
and therein lies the problem. There is no real video editor on Linux. Not for beginners nor for advanced stuff. There is nothing like Lightroom or Aperture on Linux. I respectfully disagree that Libre/Open Office is sufficient, for most users (not you or I) it is a step backwards.
That the Windows OEMs have not been able (for the most part) to build quality hardware is the reason Microsoft has no choice but doing this. OEMs should stop whining, hire a couple of designers and start building quality hardware. Hell, they don't even need good designers. Lenovo does great laptops with no design whatsoever.
This is very true, and 2013 (to agree even 2012) is the year of Linux "in the hand", rather than "on the desktop/laptop". There is a problem however, and it was created by Apple, and first noticed by Apple. People have strong loyalty to their desktop and laptops. One reason is that all of the really important software they have run on their desktop/laptop. They also have one at work. The software they have purchased is quite expensive, so they are not very willing to change platform.
Contrast this with the phone market, and to a similar extent the tablet market, where people do not have much platform loyalty nor brand loyalty. Phones are fashion statements. Once the iPhone was what the cool kids wanted, but that (from my extensive research among the teens I know) is no longer the case. Now the Galaxy SIII is what the cool kids wants, and they are dumping their iPhones. Next year it'll probably be something new. With zero loyalty maintaining market share is almost impossible. With Apple staying with a fixed for factor and rather minor changes to the OS (at least cosmetically) they are going to struggle to take back the throne. Since applications are dirt cheap for the phone, there is no way they can use that to maintain brand loyalty. "I wasn't using those old apps any way, there are so many cool new apps out there".
The Windows Surface will probably fare better, since it replaces both a laptop and a tablet, making it cheaper by $499 than the iPad, and an essential buy. I know of no person (teen or adult) who has an iPad as their primary computing device. They all have either Macs or Windows laptops.
The only way Acer is good bang for a Buck is if you Bang a Buck to death with it. Acer is an abomination. Just their keyboards should have landed the designers in a specially constructed circle of Hell.