Thank you for agreeing. It has gotten more and more obvious to me that if you don't follow their lemming mentality here, you get flagged as flamebait. Especially if you do it in a cogent way that proves your point. I tend to get the flamebait tag more often than not.
Oh gag me. Don't give me stupid little pithy quotes. For one, things are a tad different these days than they were then. Also, look at it this way: Those that refuse to temporarily give up some of their freedom in exchange for safety won't be enjoying that freedom they cherish for very long. They will either be killed by the terrorists that otherwise would have been thwarted had their precious freedom been infringed or they will be living under oppression that will make these times look like a libertarian utopia. How much freedom do you think you'll get to enjoy when you die of radiation poisoning from a dirty bomb? How much freedom do you think you would enjoy under terrorist rule? How much freedom do you think those 3000 people that died in Sept 2001 are enjoying? Don't give me stupid 200+ year old quotes that could not have dreamed of times like these.
You're a moron. This is a practice that has been in place for a long time. And is very logical. If it tightens a bit after the worst terrorist attack in the nations history, it's not surprising NOR is it cause for upset. On the contrary, if things WEREN'T tightened up after an attack like that, it WOULD be cause for alarm. Stop rooting for the terrorists.
Without managers those workers would have nothing to do. They need direction and enablers. Organization and structure. Without the managers, there would be chaos. Nothing would get done. The workers merely build the product. They don't plan the product lineup, they don't organize the sale of product to the vendor, they don't take care of health and safety issues, they don't do the massive amount of engineering that goes into the production of a product. Farmers may be a bit more self managing but they are a special case. A smaller entity. Construction workers have foremen to direct them. The foremen, if they are part of a larger construction agency, have bosses over them which direct them where to go based on the sales made by salesmen. There is a LOT that goes into supporting these workers and that's where you NEED to have managers. I work in IT support for a factory. Believe me they need managers.
I can't completely agree with your point about the poor doing all the work. Or even all the 'real' work as you said. Most of the much better off people i know, very well paid executives and managers and such, spend far more time at work than anyone else i know. They have a LOT of responsibility and a lot to do. On the other hand, the factory workers i know, from what i see, do LESS work than most people. Most likely due to the fact that they're union and unions dont' believe in actual work but rather lots and lots of breaks all day and then stopping a half hour before the end of the day to line up by the timeclock so they can sprint out the door as soon as the clock hits 2:30.
Wow...you could be a comic with crap like that. Except it's not funny when people actually believe it. Fox is the only MSM news source that's even remotely close to center. The rest are so far left that if you look right you'll start to see them coming full circle.
Then they're welcome to monitor me and discover differently. As long as they don't watch me in the shower. I'd feel sorry for the agents who had to see that.
So you have nothing better to do than pick apart the language i use?
If "wrong" had an immutable definition, I wouldn't. However it doesn't, so I do.
Would you have preferred I use the word suspicious? Either way my point remains the same. By making your statment would I be correct in assuming you don't believe in absolute right and wrong?
You want the govt to act like YOUR parents and citizens to act like good children. What happens when we inadvertently elect abusive parents? You know, the rock spiders and the sadists who pass their habits down through the generations.....hang on....maybe that is why we are still fighting wars and watching people starve, all live on TV????
Is this an implication that you think someone else doing the job could somehow magically make war and poverty and starvation go away? What's so special about the US? Why doesn't the rest of the world band together and do it if it's doable? The answer is that it isn't. War and starvation and poverty are reality. They will never go away. This utopian dream of peace and everyone having enough of what they need is just that. A dream. It's a nice dream of course. But it will never become reality any more than a fountain of youth or a method of turning rocks into gold.
Kind of ambigous given what you just said about the parent/child model of government. Do you mean: "Idiot liberals are good citizens" or "Idiot liberals are bad children", maybe "All citizens who don't act like good children are bad"????
Either you're being deliberately dense or you utterly failed any kind of reading comprehension education in middle/high school. It's hardly ambiguous when i had just made the implied point that children are always demanding more than is good for them and are whiny when they don't get it. Also, the comparison to children means they don't have a firm grasp on reality.
When i'm being sarcastic i usually try to make it fairly obvious. Subtlety and irony are wasted here. Usually big words too. But i digress. I do agree that perhaps operating without check isn't the best way of letting them do business. But i fully support monitoring US residents. People here are no less dangerous than anywhere else. Perhaps in some cases, moreso. There are times when you need to do what's necessary. Shoot first and ask questions later, as it were. My ideals don't perfectly align with any particular party. I tend quite a lot to lean conservative. Parts of me though could only really be called necessarian in the sense that you do what you have to in order to accomplish a result. To some extent, the end justifies the means. Not to an extreme of course, but to some minor extent.
If there is reason to need to monitor someone, i think that by all means they should.
As for your first claim, about the FBI agents, do you have any data to back this up? It wouldn't surprise me in a big way but if it's just a spurious accusation, then it's pointless.
As for the attacks on the planes, if there was enough credible information beforehand to justify action, the it is the fault of the government for not acting. Not for not telling the public. It is the responsibility of the government to use its information appropriately. It is not their responsibility to pass on everything from the lunch menu in the secret service cafeteria to the janitors gossip to the public. The public does NOT need to know everything.
Yes...it's good for them to keep some secrets from us. THEY'RE IN CHARGE! Parents keep secrets from children because that's better for them. It's better for us not to know some things. Children of course want to know everything because they don't know what's best for themselves. Of course you idiot liberals think and act like children most of the time anyway so of course you're all upset about this. If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you care if somebody knows about it. It's not like they're collecting your bank information so they can hack into your account and steal your money. They have the IRS for that.
I hope they catch whoever leaked this information and punish them accordingly. Last i knew, leaking government secrets was treason and they still executed people for that. We can only hope.
I think copyright law needs to be changed anyway. Things are getting ridiculous. Perhaps not eliminate copyright altogether but put a single term limit on copyright of any work, 15 or 20 years and once that term is up, the work becomes public domain. I am 100% for google's scanning project. Go Google!
You might not be seriously asking this question but i can't tell if you're being serious or not so i'll answer. OSX has basic built in cd burning capability. Quite functional and handy to have. iTunes will burn music cd's for you easy as pie and data cd's are easy enough to make with the system. If you want the more advanced stuff i would recommend Toast Titanium 6 (or anything higher...haven't checked in a while). Toast is a wonderful burning app that can easily be "creatively licensed" from a P2P network.
"...a self-evolving virus that could fool experts and engage us in a digital war would wake everyone up to the idea that evolution is real."
What you people don't seem to realize, is that digital evolution and biological evolution are two completely different and unrelated things. The existence of digital evolution means abolutely nothing about the existence of biological evolution. Digital evolution is a man made occurrence. Saying that digital evolution is proof of biological evolution is the same as saying that because i find a picture of a flying pig made in photoshop, flying pigs must exist in nature because someone made one on a computer.
And by the way, Darwin himself, at the end of his life, denied evolution as the explanation for how we got here.
I swear, mac users seem to think the only things anyone uses their computers for is photo editing and web browsing.
Gee...that's because the vast majority of computer users DO only use their computers for the basics such as email, web surfing and word processing. If you are doing something specialized, then, as has been mentioned, YOU ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE!
I'm not sure if i should waste my time replying to a troll, but i will anyway. You really need to know what you're talking about before making idiotic statements. Have you even bothered trying to configure a "better" system from dell or wal-mart at that price level? Try it. You'll fail. And that is not even including the value of the software bundled with the Mac Mini. Add the cost of software on par with the apple software that ships with the Mac Mini and you get a price point quite a bit higher than that of the Mac Mini. Here is an article written just for idiots - i mean people - like you.
And as for the new napster, how much do you really now about it other than the fact that you pay $14.95 a month for it and you can download all the songs you want? Do you realize that you have to use a new player that is designed to work with it? Do you realize that as soon as you forget to make a monthly payment you will lose all of your thousands of songs you've downloaded? Do you realize that this is going to spectacularly fail for napster? I prefer to pay the $.99 a song and KEEP my music forever thanks.
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This is slashdot. Even worrying about maturity here is pointless.
So people are finally realizing that RealPlayer and WMP suck. Good! Now if only this could happen with winblows...
Thank you for agreeing. It has gotten more and more obvious to me that if you don't follow their lemming mentality here, you get flagged as flamebait. Especially if you do it in a cogent way that proves your point. I tend to get the flamebait tag more often than not.
Oh gag me. Don't give me stupid little pithy quotes. For one, things are a tad different these days than they were then. Also, look at it this way: Those that refuse to temporarily give up some of their freedom in exchange for safety won't be enjoying that freedom they cherish for very long. They will either be killed by the terrorists that otherwise would have been thwarted had their precious freedom been infringed or they will be living under oppression that will make these times look like a libertarian utopia. How much freedom do you think you'll get to enjoy when you die of radiation poisoning from a dirty bomb? How much freedom do you think you would enjoy under terrorist rule? How much freedom do you think those 3000 people that died in Sept 2001 are enjoying? Don't give me stupid 200+ year old quotes that could not have dreamed of times like these.
You're a moron. This is a practice that has been in place for a long time. And is very logical. If it tightens a bit after the worst terrorist attack in the nations history, it's not surprising NOR is it cause for upset. On the contrary, if things WEREN'T tightened up after an attack like that, it WOULD be cause for alarm. Stop rooting for the terrorists.
Without managers those workers would have nothing to do. They need direction and enablers. Organization and structure. Without the managers, there would be chaos. Nothing would get done. The workers merely build the product. They don't plan the product lineup, they don't organize the sale of product to the vendor, they don't take care of health and safety issues, they don't do the massive amount of engineering that goes into the production of a product. Farmers may be a bit more self managing but they are a special case. A smaller entity. Construction workers have foremen to direct them. The foremen, if they are part of a larger construction agency, have bosses over them which direct them where to go based on the sales made by salesmen. There is a LOT that goes into supporting these workers and that's where you NEED to have managers. I work in IT support for a factory. Believe me they need managers.
I can't completely agree with your point about the poor doing all the work. Or even all the 'real' work as you said. Most of the much better off people i know, very well paid executives and managers and such, spend far more time at work than anyone else i know. They have a LOT of responsibility and a lot to do. On the other hand, the factory workers i know, from what i see, do LESS work than most people. Most likely due to the fact that they're union and unions dont' believe in actual work but rather lots and lots of breaks all day and then stopping a half hour before the end of the day to line up by the timeclock so they can sprint out the door as soon as the clock hits 2:30.
Wow...you could be a comic with crap like that. Except it's not funny when people actually believe it. Fox is the only MSM news source that's even remotely close to center. The rest are so far left that if you look right you'll start to see them coming full circle.
Then they're welcome to monitor me and discover differently. As long as they don't watch me in the shower. I'd feel sorry for the agents who had to see that.
If "wrong" had an immutable definition, I wouldn't. However it doesn't, so I do.
Would you have preferred I use the word suspicious? Either way my point remains the same. By making your statment would I be correct in assuming you don't believe in absolute right and wrong?
You want the govt to act like YOUR parents and citizens to act like good children. What happens when we inadvertently elect abusive parents? You know, the rock spiders and the sadists who pass their habits down through the generations.....hang on....maybe that is why we are still fighting wars and watching people starve, all live on TV????
Is this an implication that you think someone else doing the job could somehow magically make war and poverty and starvation go away? What's so special about the US? Why doesn't the rest of the world band together and do it if it's doable? The answer is that it isn't. War and starvation and poverty are reality. They will never go away. This utopian dream of peace and everyone having enough of what they need is just that. A dream. It's a nice dream of course. But it will never become reality any more than a fountain of youth or a method of turning rocks into gold.
Kind of ambigous given what you just said about the parent/child model of government. Do you mean: "Idiot liberals are good citizens" or "Idiot liberals are bad children", maybe "All citizens who don't act like good children are bad"????
Either you're being deliberately dense or you utterly failed any kind of reading comprehension education in middle/high school. It's hardly ambiguous when i had just made the implied point that children are always demanding more than is good for them and are whiny when they don't get it. Also, the comparison to children means they don't have a firm grasp on reality.
When i'm being sarcastic i usually try to make it fairly obvious. Subtlety and irony are wasted here. Usually big words too. But i digress. I do agree that perhaps operating without check isn't the best way of letting them do business. But i fully support monitoring US residents. People here are no less dangerous than anywhere else. Perhaps in some cases, moreso. There are times when you need to do what's necessary. Shoot first and ask questions later, as it were. My ideals don't perfectly align with any particular party. I tend quite a lot to lean conservative. Parts of me though could only really be called necessarian in the sense that you do what you have to in order to accomplish a result. To some extent, the end justifies the means. Not to an extreme of course, but to some minor extent. If there is reason to need to monitor someone, i think that by all means they should.
As for your first claim, about the FBI agents, do you have any data to back this up? It wouldn't surprise me in a big way but if it's just a spurious accusation, then it's pointless. As for the attacks on the planes, if there was enough credible information beforehand to justify action, the it is the fault of the government for not acting. Not for not telling the public. It is the responsibility of the government to use its information appropriately. It is not their responsibility to pass on everything from the lunch menu in the secret service cafeteria to the janitors gossip to the public. The public does NOT need to know everything.
Yes...it's good for them to keep some secrets from us. THEY'RE IN CHARGE! Parents keep secrets from children because that's better for them. It's better for us not to know some things. Children of course want to know everything because they don't know what's best for themselves. Of course you idiot liberals think and act like children most of the time anyway so of course you're all upset about this. If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you care if somebody knows about it. It's not like they're collecting your bank information so they can hack into your account and steal your money. They have the IRS for that. I hope they catch whoever leaked this information and punish them accordingly. Last i knew, leaking government secrets was treason and they still executed people for that. We can only hope.
I think copyright law needs to be changed anyway. Things are getting ridiculous. Perhaps not eliminate copyright altogether but put a single term limit on copyright of any work, 15 or 20 years and once that term is up, the work becomes public domain. I am 100% for google's scanning project. Go Google!
While I agree that the ISP should not be censoring content. I am of the opinion that anything that pisses off a union is a good thing.
You might not be seriously asking this question but i can't tell if you're being serious or not so i'll answer. OSX has basic built in cd burning capability. Quite functional and handy to have. iTunes will burn music cd's for you easy as pie and data cd's are easy enough to make with the system. If you want the more advanced stuff i would recommend Toast Titanium 6 (or anything higher...haven't checked in a while). Toast is a wonderful burning app that can easily be "creatively licensed" from a P2P network.
"...a self-evolving virus that could fool experts and engage us in a digital war would wake everyone up to the idea that evolution is real."
What you people don't seem to realize, is that digital evolution and biological evolution are two completely different and unrelated things. The existence of digital evolution means abolutely nothing about the existence of biological evolution. Digital evolution is a man made occurrence. Saying that digital evolution is proof of biological evolution is the same as saying that because i find a picture of a flying pig made in photoshop, flying pigs must exist in nature because someone made one on a computer.
And by the way, Darwin himself, at the end of his life, denied evolution as the explanation for how we got here.
I swear, mac users seem to think the only things anyone uses their computers for is photo editing and web browsing.
Gee...that's because the vast majority of computer users DO only use their computers for the basics such as email, web surfing and word processing. If you are doing something specialized, then, as has been mentioned, YOU ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE!
http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2005/01/mi niapplesandoranges/index.php --Here is the link to the article which was SUPPOSED to be above and which i forgot to paste in before.
I'm not sure if i should waste my time replying to a troll, but i will anyway. You really need to know what you're talking about before making idiotic statements. Have you even bothered trying to configure a "better" system from dell or wal-mart at that price level? Try it. You'll fail. And that is not even including the value of the software bundled with the Mac Mini. Add the cost of software on par with the apple software that ships with the Mac Mini and you get a price point quite a bit higher than that of the Mac Mini. Here is an article written just for idiots - i mean people - like you. And as for the new napster, how much do you really now about it other than the fact that you pay $14.95 a month for it and you can download all the songs you want? Do you realize that you have to use a new player that is designed to work with it? Do you realize that as soon as you forget to make a monthly payment you will lose all of your thousands of songs you've downloaded? Do you realize that this is going to spectacularly fail for napster? I prefer to pay the $.99 a song and KEEP my music forever thanks.