I think the content in question here, was passively licensed by placing it in a publicly accessible format as the internet. Without the use of any robots.txt or meta tags to prevent engines from traversing the content and by not protecting the content via any type of password protection,etc he opened the content up freely.
I think with the books, google employees (or temps) have to physically get a book, scan it into the system, catalog it and make it available. By making it available to someone without the consent (in my opinion they should have an opt-in policy, not an opt-out policy for exclusion) of the owner of the IP contained within the book they have committed copyright violations on the same grounds that the RIAA seem to be suing many over. Making copyrighted material available online or in any format without consent or licensing is illegal. It's literature piracy.
Yes, this is just my opinion but I have a few books published and know how I feel on the subject.
I think it may be a little bit different.
If I put up a copy of an article I've written for viewing on my web site I have essentially published it for the masses freely. Sure, If someone tries to steal it I should, under law have copyright protection keeping someone from publishing it later and making money off of it.
However, if I have a book that is written and sold with the contents not available online I see it being a little bit different. Google has to violate my copyright to scan or copy the material of the book into electronic form then they are hosting the copyrighted material on their website without my consent. Anyone remember the sign above the photocopier in the university library with warnings about copyright violations??
If I had made the contents of the book available on my web site as free content and they cached the page, I don't think there would be anything anyone could do.
Well, you seriously have to take the fight to the source. Am I talking ozone depleting chemicals? No. Am I talking burning coal and adding more particles to the atmosphere? No. Am I talking about getting rid of the human race? Definitely not.
The solution is to destroy the sun. The sun is getting hotter so we need to make sure we put it on ice. Those solar flares are reaching out farther than ever and what do we do? We blame ourselves. Either we get rid of the sun and get used to a long cold winter (forever) or we get used to hotter days....if not for us....for our children.
True, but I know quite a few people who believe there is no religious center or left.
If you bring up that someone is religious, they are automatically a right wing nut. Just ran into that last weekend. Politics today divides people more than religion and when you throw the two together in opposition it gets nasty.
So, continue to chastise the religious folks for believing in something that they have never seen.
No, I do not think that is a fair accusation.
I guess you missed his signature then:) He has fun upsetting people who are religious. Not that he upset me, I was more or less entertained by the fact he harbors such animosity toward people who share a different point of view.
Pissing off the religious right at every opportunity and proud of it
Hopefully I will not incur the wrath of Xenu but isn't this similar to how thetans are attaching themselves to people and making them sad, bringing down their moods and keeping them from being "clear"?
Funny...
but aren't gravitons and dark matter a lot like what you argue against?
Hmm, we've never seen it but a lot of people believe in it so it must be right!
What else shares this?
Maybe.....God? So, continue to chastise the religious folks for believing in something that they have never seen. Seems science puts a lot of weight on things no one has ever seen or proved as fact.
I grow weary of hearing the whole "Embrace and extend, extinguish" chant that ALWAYS comes up in a/. thread regarding Microsoft.
I'm just thankful you didn't link to the Wikipedia article (which is also a paranoid, laughable attempt at discrediting MS)
Tons of people complain about MS not doing something like the other browsers. Tabbed pages, standard support, etc. Then, when MS does something that brings them to bring them up to date with the complaints, they get hit with the EEE (Embrace extend extinguish) attack.
If MS changed something to be more in line with standards the anti-MS chicken littles would be running around screaming MS was about to extend standards (is that such a bad thing?? especially when it goes back into the standard like so many W3C MS contributions?) or that they are going kill something. MS cannot win in this environment. It's too full of technological bigotry.
You basically pay for the right to listen to the music at any time.
You do not own the intellectual property of the artist. If you sell it, a specific amount of royalty money should be paid back to the artist.
Lovely response, I applaud you for being mature and not using words such as "idiotic"...wait...
Actually, you seem to fail to realize that the govt may not give money to drug addicts for drugs but to homeless people (who are homeless because of legalized drugs, ie can't hold job, etc) who turn around and spend their money on drugs. All that occurs here is "feeding" a problem and never correcting it.
A country as liberal/socialistic as the Netherlands should have the homeless problem completely take care of. There should be no beggars, after all, the goverment cares for all. Government healthcare, government subsidies for almost everyhing! It just tells me that so much of the "platforms" being used in politics today in America "for the sake of the people" just doesn't work and I've seen it first hand.
I worked in the Netherlands quite a while...was interesting.
We can all agree that the Netherlands are pretty much a liberal, socialist type goverment right? Everything is paid for by the government. Need a place to stay while going to college? Here - have some govt money....
Since there is so much paid for by the govt I was amazed that there are homeless everywhere in Amsterdam. At the train station in Rotterdam - getting rushed by homeless people asking for money.
So, people get govt handouts and spend their money on the legalized drugs (which a huge percentage goes back to the govt) and they end up being homeless. Handouts just don't work in many cases especially when legalization of subtances that are addictive and impair your judgement while being harmful are so easily obtained.
Let them charge, they have a lot to make up for since giving all of those schools Mac computers in the 80's and 90's. The IPOD is giving them new life but they need all of the help they can get.
Also, it just helps Microsoft the better Mac does - Microsoft investment dollars at work.
I broke free from EQ in 2002...been happier ever since.
Occasionally play a game but for the most part I'm game free.
No more raids till 3 am - getting to work half asleep and running late.
No more bickering over items that only exist on SOE servers.
No spending 8 hours in a group and a member stating "brb, have to feed the toddler". (Good lord, play with your kids not EQ)
This summer I even had a tan:)
The only thing that would fix that would be "computer communism".
All computers the same, nothing ever different. No freedom of choice.
You get the same brand drivers, same brand hardware, same brand software. Oh! wait did I just describe a Mac?
A contractor who sat on the otherside of the cubicle wall from me used to be pretty lound and I'd overhear him quite a bit. He hardly used Windows - Linux pretty much exclusively however, the client we were placed was a Windows shop.
He used to do nothing but bad mouth Windows but when it came time for him to do work it came down to the simple truth of - he didn't know how. He didn't know enough about Windows to even accurately bash based on experience but everything he said was something he would read here on Slashdot.
If you use Linux alot - Windows seems foreign. If you use Windows a lot, Linux seems foreign. Go work on a Mac for 2 years ONLY without ever touching another computer then try to switch to something else without doing any research first. You'll hate everything! Not because its worse but because it's "different".
Slashdot Mirror
I think the content in question here, was passively licensed by placing it in a publicly accessible format as the internet. Without the use of any robots.txt or meta tags to prevent engines from traversing the content and by not protecting the content via any type of password protection,etc he opened the content up freely.
I think with the books, google employees (or temps) have to physically get a book, scan it into the system, catalog it and make it available. By making it available to someone without the consent (in my opinion they should have an opt-in policy, not an opt-out policy for exclusion) of the owner of the IP contained within the book they have committed copyright violations on the same grounds that the RIAA seem to be suing many over. Making copyrighted material available online or in any format without consent or licensing is illegal. It's literature piracy.
Yes, this is just my opinion but I have a few books published and know how I feel on the subject.
I think it may be a little bit different. If I put up a copy of an article I've written for viewing on my web site I have essentially published it for the masses freely. Sure, If someone tries to steal it I should, under law have copyright protection keeping someone from publishing it later and making money off of it.
However, if I have a book that is written and sold with the contents not available online I see it being a little bit different. Google has to violate my copyright to scan or copy the material of the book into electronic form then they are hosting the copyrighted material on their website without my consent. Anyone remember the sign above the photocopier in the university library with warnings about copyright violations??
If I had made the contents of the book available on my web site as free content and they cached the page, I don't think there would be anything anyone could do.
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"YEEEEaaaRRRGGHHHHHHH!"
Well, you seriously have to take the fight to the source. Am I talking ozone depleting chemicals? No. Am I talking burning coal and adding more particles to the atmosphere? No. Am I talking about getting rid of the human race? Definitely not.
...if not for us....for our children.
The solution is to destroy the sun . The sun is getting hotter so we need to make sure we put it on ice. Those solar flares are reaching out farther than ever and what do we do? We blame ourselves. Either we get rid of the sun and get used to a long cold winter (forever) or we get used to hotter days.
True, but I know quite a few people who believe there is no religious center or left. If you bring up that someone is religious, they are automatically a right wing nut. Just ran into that last weekend. Politics today divides people more than religion and when you throw the two together in opposition it gets nasty.
So, continue to chastise the religious folks for believing in something that they have never seen.
:) He has fun upsetting people who are religious. Not that he upset me, I was more or less entertained by the fact he harbors such animosity toward people who share a different point of view.
Pissing off the religious right at every opportunity and proud of it
No, I do not think that is a fair accusation. I guess you missed his signature then
Fry a couple hundred of those bad boys up and lets see how they taste with some tartar sauce.
It will be an all out "Sexy Party"
Hopefully I will not incur the wrath of Xenu but isn't this similar to how thetans are attaching themselves to people and making them sad, bringing down their moods and keeping them from being "clear"?
Funny... but aren't gravitons and dark matter a lot like what you argue against? Hmm, we've never seen it but a lot of people believe in it so it must be right! What else shares this? Maybe.....God? So, continue to chastise the religious folks for believing in something that they have never seen. Seems science puts a lot of weight on things no one has ever seen or proved as fact.
...that or a skater dude
I grow weary of hearing the whole "Embrace and extend, extinguish" chant that ALWAYS comes up in a /. thread regarding Microsoft.
I'm just thankful you didn't link to the Wikipedia article (which is also a paranoid, laughable attempt at discrediting MS)
Tons of people complain about MS not doing something like the other browsers. Tabbed pages, standard support, etc. Then, when MS does something that brings them to bring them up to date with the complaints, they get hit with the EEE (Embrace extend extinguish) attack.
If MS changed something to be more in line with standards the anti-MS chicken littles would be running around screaming MS was about to extend standards (is that such a bad thing?? especially when it goes back into the standard like so many W3C MS contributions?) or that they are going kill something. MS cannot win in this environment. It's too full of technological bigotry.
You basically pay for the right to listen to the music at any time. You do not own the intellectual property of the artist. If you sell it, a specific amount of royalty money should be paid back to the artist.
ACLU (American Civil Liberities Union)
Lovely response, I applaud you for being mature and not using words such as "idiotic"...wait...
Actually, you seem to fail to realize that the govt may not give money to drug addicts for drugs but to homeless people (who are homeless because of legalized drugs, ie can't hold job, etc) who turn around and spend their money on drugs. All that occurs here is "feeding" a problem and never correcting it.
A country as liberal/socialistic as the Netherlands should have the homeless problem completely take care of. There should be no beggars, after all, the goverment cares for all. Government healthcare, government subsidies for almost everyhing! It just tells me that so much of the "platforms" being used in politics today in America "for the sake of the people" just doesn't work and I've seen it first hand.
You work for the ACLU, right?
I worked in the Netherlands quite a while...was interesting. We can all agree that the Netherlands are pretty much a liberal, socialist type goverment right? Everything is paid for by the government. Need a place to stay while going to college? Here - have some govt money.... Since there is so much paid for by the govt I was amazed that there are homeless everywhere in Amsterdam. At the train station in Rotterdam - getting rushed by homeless people asking for money. So, people get govt handouts and spend their money on the legalized drugs (which a huge percentage goes back to the govt) and they end up being homeless. Handouts just don't work in many cases especially when legalization of subtances that are addictive and impair your judgement while being harmful are so easily obtained.
Let them charge, they have a lot to make up for since giving all of those schools Mac computers in the 80's and 90's. The IPOD is giving them new life but they need all of the help they can get. Also, it just helps Microsoft the better Mac does - Microsoft investment dollars at work.
The push to make the investors happy has come up with some interesting and not so interesting things. Personally, could see myself NEVER using this!
Sure, so far Google has some cool things out but does anyone else see it becoming more and more a slave to the investor "$"?
"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." I guess that explains why there are so many flavors of unix and linux.
I broke free from EQ in 2002...been happier ever since. Occasionally play a game but for the most part I'm game free. No more raids till 3 am - getting to work half asleep and running late. No more bickering over items that only exist on SOE servers. No spending 8 hours in a group and a member stating "brb, have to feed the toddler". (Good lord, play with your kids not EQ) This summer I even had a tan :)
The only thing that would fix that would be "computer communism". All computers the same, nothing ever different. No freedom of choice. You get the same brand drivers, same brand hardware, same brand software. Oh! wait did I just describe a Mac?
SOE is worthless - the quality of coding in EQ, EQ2, SWG, and Planetside is scary enough - now add in a port to another OS? Be afraid...very afraid.
A contractor who sat on the otherside of the cubicle wall from me used to be pretty lound and I'd overhear him quite a bit. He hardly used Windows - Linux pretty much exclusively however, the client we were placed was a Windows shop.
He used to do nothing but bad mouth Windows but when it came time for him to do work it came down to the simple truth of - he didn't know how. He didn't know enough about Windows to even accurately bash based on experience but everything he said was something he would read here on Slashdot.
If you use Linux alot - Windows seems foreign. If you use Windows a lot, Linux seems foreign. Go work on a Mac for 2 years ONLY without ever touching another computer then try to switch to something else without doing any research first. You'll hate everything! Not because its worse but because it's "different".
Yeeeesssss, I will have my robotic minions do my bidding and rule the world!!!! Muahaha - Lego Robots! Attack!!!