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Piracy Setup Discovered in WV Capitol Building

arakis writes "Someone in West Virginia has apparently spent tens of thousands in state funds to acquire computers and video gear to copy movies and music. From the article: 'Ferguson confirmed Tuesday that his staff found the makeshift audio-video studio amid his widening probe into spending and other abuses at the state General Services Division.' Looks like some employees are getting the axe for everything from purchasing abuse to time fraud."

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  1. Time Fraud? by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a great phrase! Makes me nostalgic for Doctor Who...

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    1. Re:Time Fraud? by rbochan · · Score: 2, Funny

      After I RTFA, I was very sad.

      I was soooooooo hoping that this was in Orrin Hatch's office or something...

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    2. Re:Time Fraud? by rwven · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking something like:

      And they found movies that were rated AAARRRRRHHHHH!!!

    3. Re:Time Fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time Fraud is a real thing. It isn't a joke. It's when you're paid to do one job but you do something else. Like when you hire a lawyer to work a case for you, and they are charging you hours while they are actually doing something else.

    4. Re:Time Fraud? by joincamp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Time Fraud is a real thing. It isn't a joke. It's when you're paid to do one job but you do something else. Like when you hire a lawyer to work a case for you, and they are charging you hours while they are actually doing something else.

      you mean like we are all doing right now at work? oh crap!

    5. Re:Time Fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would a US Senator from Utah have an office in the West Virginia state capitol?

    6. Re:Time Fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's closer to home?

    7. Re:Time Fraud? by mink · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points and you had logged in.

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  2. Oh, no! by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    14GB of MP3s? I'd bet that one in three Slashdotters has at least that much. Anyone know what the "crack the headers" bit refers to for CDs?

    1. Re:Oh, no! by tulmad · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone know what the "crack the headers" bit refers to for CDs?

      It means "I'm a journalist and really have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll make up words that sound dramatic".

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    2. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It means "I'm a journalist and really have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll make up words that sound dramatic".


      You know not of what you speak. 'Crack the headers' is a perfectly cromulent expression.
    3. Re:Oh, no! by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      They had a PC with linux installed?

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    4. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVD header cracking probably refers to libdvdcss and libdvdread etc. Pretty common tools. I agree, I'm not impressed by the "massive" amounts of A/V files. Similar "studios" probably exists in countless people's bedrooms.

    5. Re:Oh, no! by rylin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sharpies.
      Lots of them.

    6. Re:Oh, no! by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I'd have more than 14GB if I ripped all of my audio cds, but then I am a bit of a music junky...

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    7. Re:Oh, no! by garcia · · Score: 1

      Hundreds of blank DVDs, CDs and jacket covers were also found, as was software "commonly used to crack header codes on copyrighted materials such as movies and music to allow duplication," Schafer's memo said.

      Plus, software to "crack" DVDs is free anyway. Didn't look like that was hurting their budget! ;)

    8. Re:Oh, no! by kimvette · · Score: 1

      one in three? I think you mean 9 out of 10.

      14GB won't even fill an iPod. Well, a non-crappy iPod.

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    9. Re:Oh, no! by omeomi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone know what the "crack the headers" bit refers to for CDs?

      It means "I'm a journalist and really have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll make up words that sound dramatic".


      Actually, the author of the article never refers to "cracking" the headers of CDs. The article states "software 'commonly used to crack header codes on copyrighted materials such as movies and music to allow duplication,' Schafer's memo said.". Regular redbook audio CDs don't have any sort of DRM to crack, but many DVDs do, and so do DRM'd music tracks downloaded from services such as iTunes or Napster. So, while it may certainly be true that many journalists don't know what they're talking about, this journalist has said nothing incorrect with respect to cracking.

    10. Re:Oh, no! by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1
      14GB won't even fill an iPod. Well, a non-crappy iPod.

      My iPod mini can only hold 4GB you insensitve clod.

    11. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have more than a half a terabyte of music files on hard drives. Then again, I use lossless compression...

    12. Re:Oh, no! by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 4, Funny

      "14GB of MP3s? I'd bet that one in three Slashdotters has at least that much."

      When translated from DontSueMe to English this goes like: "14GB of MP3s? I have at least as much." ;)

    13. Re:Oh, no! by brontus3927 · · Score: 1

      software to override copy protection.

    14. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "4GB of MP3s? I'd bet that one in three Slashdotters has at least that much."

      If you work the math of the likelyhood of paying for 60 GB of music I bet you three out of four 60 GB Ipod users do also.

      On one side industry whines about piracy then on the other they sell you the equipment to do it knowing full well that's what primarily what it's going to be used for. (Sony case is particularily funny since they orginally were sued over betamax but now sell content.)

      All these clowns just like to pretend they give a sh~t about morality and fairness to appease the RIAA. All they really care about is that they get a buck from you. If open source every becomes the norm they'll argue that's what they really meant all along too.

      If Apple really meant to protect IP they would stop selling millions of Ipods that play non-DRMed music. Since they know that would clobber their sales they don't.

      http://www.apple.com/ca/itunes/
      http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html

      What a friggin joke.

    15. Re:Oh, no! by danpsmith · · Score: 1
      I'd agree with you on the account of my personal collection, but the RIAA will not permit me to make a statement without incurring huge financial penalties....Should've AC'd this one.

      Puts on tinfoil hat...

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    16. Re:Oh, no! by PornMaster · · Score: 1

      Ah, the shift key! :)

    17. Re:Oh, no! by pianophile · · Score: 1

      Anyone else remember Rader (Slashdot UID 40041)? He hasn't posted since 2002, but this topic reminds me of his sig:

      "--Out of Hard Drive space again! 123 GB of MP3's"

      That seemed like an awful lot, once upon a time.

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    18. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anyone know what the "crack the headers" bit refers to for CDs?

      I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it involves using a two-eight-point-eight-bee-pee-ess modem.

    19. Re:Oh, no! by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      Ah, the shift key! :)

      itym "ARRRR!! The shift key! P)"

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    20. Re:Oh, no! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Regular redbook audio CDs don't have any sort of DRM to crack, but many DVDs do

      DVD's have nothing to prevent copying. They have CSS to prevent extraction and Fair Use.

      If you bit-copy a DVD it will work perfectly in a standard DVD-Video player. That's what the professional copyright infringers do.

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    21. Re:Oh, no! by legalize.ganja.now. · · Score: 1

      depending on your connection you can get 14 GB of mp3s legally in no time at all! just use something like streamripper with a nice gui like streamtuner and record some internet radio streams. i acquired a really huge collection this way...

    22. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have more than 500 terabytes of music ripped from (legally purchased, I might add) audio cd's that I own. I also only rip using ogg. Does anyone care, nope. Why am I posting this? I have no idea. Bladesjester, did you think before you posted? I'm guessing no.

    23. Re:Oh, no! by omeomi · · Score: 1

      DVD's have nothing to prevent copying. They have CSS to prevent extraction and Fair Use.

      Well, many DVDs have Macrovision copy protection, so while that wouldn't affect a bit-by-bit copy from one DVD to another, it is still a copy protection scheme, and would affect an attempt to make an analog copy of a DVD on non-professional equipment.

    24. Re:Oh, no! by JazzCrazed · · Score: 1

      I would, too...but not because I'm a music junkie. Just because I like to save my ripped music as 32-bit PCM wave files. ;)

    25. Re:Oh, no! by Bill+Wong · · Score: 1

      I'll bite. I can't possibly believe you have more than 500 TB of legally ripped music. That would be well over 750,000 CDs. And, I can't imagine any sane user having the storage space for either the MP3s or the physical CDs themselves. Perhaps you meant 500 GB?

    26. Re:Oh, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you can make perfect digital copy, if you so choose. But the MPAA has decided to prohibit you from making a degraded digital -> analog copy.

      Is it just me, or is that ass-backwards?

    27. Re:Oh, no! by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      Informative? bah

      The journalist was quoting the memo, not making it up....

      Hundreds of blank DVDs, CDs and jacket covers were also found, as was software "commonly used to crack header codes on copyrighted materials such as movies and music to allow duplication," Schafer's memo said.

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    28. Re: Oh, no! by Baricom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Additionally, the reporter was quoting a memo written by a third party verbatim. In that context, the statement seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    29. Re:Oh, no! by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but consumers only have DVD-R or DVD+R or DVD-RAM recorders, for which the media do not have writable lead-in areas.

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    30. Re:Oh, no! by Leiterfluid · · Score: 1

      She said non-crappy.

    31. Re:Oh, no! by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      Google for DVDShrink and I think you'll find a pretty easy way to do it and remove the encryption. Then you can bit copy your "doctored" one and make a perfect copy that will have no encryption, no macrovision.

    32. Re:Oh, no! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Well, they could buy DVD-A discs if they wanted to.

      But they're not the ones copying discs en mass anyway.

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    33. Re:Oh, no! by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      Except ripping streams is probably illegal. I'm not too sure about that though. Probably about the same legality as just downloading mp3s. Of course, if one downloaded all the content on mp3.com back before it died, they'd easily have that much legal content.

    34. Re:Oh, no! by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I most certainly don't have a 300GB hard drive full of nothing but music and movies ... not at all ...

    35. Re:Oh, no! by dextromulous · · Score: 1

      When translated from DontSueMe to English this goes like: "14GB of MP3s? I have at least as much." ;)

      Or possibly a more accurate translation: "14GB of MP3s? I have at least three times as much."

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    36. Re:Oh, no! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      Actually, the author of the article never refers to "cracking" the headers of CDs. The article states "software 'commonly used to crack header codes on copyrighted materials such as movies and music to allow duplication,' Schafer's memo said.". Regular redbook audio CDs don't have any sort of DRM to crack, but many DVDs do, and so do DRM'd music tracks downloaded from services such as iTunes or Napster.

      Can you actually name any form of media that requires "cracking a header code" to rip? I have never heard of it...

    37. Re:Oh, no! by omeomi · · Score: 1

      Can you actually name any form of media that requires "cracking a header code" to rip? I have never heard of it...

      The article never says anything about a form of media, or ripping, it says "copyrighted materials". That would include a track that you downloaded off of, say, iTunes, which has DRM to prevent you from making as many copies as you want. It's reasonable to assume that this DRM is implemented in the header portion of the file.

    38. Re:Oh, no! by evilquaker · · Score: 1
      I most certainly don't have a 300GB hard drive full of nothing but music and movies ... not at all ...

      So that would be 14 GB of mp3s and 286 GB of porn that you don't have?

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    39. Re:Oh, no! by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 1
      Actually, that would be most definitely not be 53GB of music. The 186GB of video which doesn't exist actually isn't porn [for real!] but would rather be movies [with clothes and plots!] and TV shows, except for the fact that it doesn't exist, so it isn't that either. Yeah. Something like that.

      I never understood why people save porn they have already seen. It always seemed like saving an already-used kleenex for later.

    40. Re:Oh, no! by mink · · Score: 1

      Its called a handkerchief or hanky for short.

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  3. MPAA/RIAA vs Feds by pvt_medic · · Score: 2, Funny

    so the question is will the MPAA and RIAA go after the state government? Will the state turn the individuals responsible over to these private companies.

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    1. Re:MPAA/RIAA vs Feds by calzone5018 · · Score: 1

      I would assume so, unless it was the federal government or California. In both cases it's not.

    2. Re:MPAA/RIAA vs Feds by crankyspice · · Score: 1

      I would expect the 11th Amendment's sovereign immunity would apply to the state of West Virginia itself. The individual(s) who setup the lab, though, are up a certain creek.

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  4. Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Funny

    We know that the MPAA has claimed that buying pirated movies supports terrorism.

    Therefore, these proud patroits in West Virginia (death to all tyrants!) were simply providing a means for Americans to purchase pirated movies without supporting Al Queada (or however they spell thier name). After all, we've learned that breaking the law is perfectly legal as long as you put the words "fighting the war on terrorism" in front of it.

    Now, if we can just get them to take care of that whole "get money from oil revenues to finance terrorism" thing, and we've got it licked!

    1. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by luguvalium2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      get your mottos straight:

      West Virginia: Montani semper liberi - Mountaineers are always free
      Virginia: Sic semper tyrannis - Thus always to tyrants (meaning death from the slain king in the state seal)

    2. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd really like to know what the MPAA/RIAA think of the fact that the people in their industry are big purchasers of illegal drugs for recreational use. It seems sort of ironic that they are basing this FUD on the same claims that terrorists smuggle in and sell illegal drugs to support their efforts.

    3. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by menacing_cheese · · Score: 1

      I was born in West Virginia and it amazes me the number of people who don't even realize that it is in fact a seperate state from Virginia. And people think West Virginians are all dumb, inbred, hillbillies!

    4. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      um... you know you're leaving yourself wide open on that one...

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    5. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      It depends on how well funded your school is. If you're still using pre-Civil War history books, the mistake is understandable.

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    6. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the West Virginians kick ASS!!! They were on the "good" side of the Civil War too!

    7. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how many people we called on the east coast who thought Montana was in Canada, we actually got in arguements with several who thought we should be calling their international rather than domestic line.

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    8. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by menacing_cheese · · Score: 1

      Yeah I figured there might be a few incest jokes hurled my way. But hey, I have PhD in molecular biology now so I'm pretty secure. I can take it in stride. Besides, I moved from West Virginia to South Florida when I was 11. Seventeen years of hearing hillbilly jokes tends to thicken the skin!

    9. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Sanat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Clawson family who lives in that area have brothers and sisters who were born in Pennsyvania, Virginia, and West Virginia and all were born in the same house.

      The state lines just kept shifting for a time back then so although the house did not move the residing state at the time did. I imagine it was kind of a tricky situation keeping track of those changes come census time with a house full of kids being born in different states from each other and their parents.

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    10. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Xzzy · · Score: 1

      I was raised in Alaska. One summer when we drove to the mainland USA for vacation, my parents were involved in a bit of a fender bender, which required towing and dealing with the insurance company. The company insisted Alaska is not part of the US, and therefore there was no way they could be insuring us. My mother spent over 45 minutes trying to convince them otherwise.

      I don't consider myself in the upper crust when it comes to intelligence, but in that case I felt justified in feeling a wee bit superior. It's one thing to make a mistake and admit it, but to talk down at a customer for the better part of an hour is the stuff of legend.

    11. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      That's ok. I once mentioned to a guy from D.C. that I'd just got back from South America and he thought I meant Georgia.

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    12. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Penguinshit · · Score: 1


      And the saddest thing about it, the insurance agent was probably confusing "the lower 48" with "the US". I've seen policies that only insure inside the lower 48 contiguous states.

    13. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by belmolis · · Score: 1

      When I was a highschool student my debate partner and I went to the US Nationals and in one round debated the team from Louisiana. After the round, they expressed surprise at debating the team from Vermont since they thought that Canadian teams were not allowed in the US tournament! These guys weren't idiots: they were the Louisiana state champions.

    14. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once worked with a person who insisted that the United States had 54 states in it. She believed this because the dropdown list for choosing your state on our e-commerce webapp had 54 entries, including District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands/Outlying Territories, and Overseas Military Bases.

    15. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      yes he is wide open but you forget the And people think West Virginians are all dumb, inbred, hillbillies WITH SHOTGUNS!

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    16. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      These guys weren't idiots: they were the Louisiana state champions.

      As a former debate team member, you should probably have avoided such a blatant non-sequitur!

    17. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Quote: Now, if we can just get them to take care of that whole "get money from oil revenues to finance terrorism" thing, and we've got it licked!

      Well, Venezuala provides us 30% of our oil.

      Venezuala owns Citgo.

      So I would imagine if you purchased your fuel from Citgo that the profits would go to good ol' Chavez. He ain't a bad guy is he?

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    18. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0

      I read something along similar lines concerning New Mexico. And it was probably true - I read it on paper, before there were all those intarwebs and stuff.

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    19. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      These guys weren't idiots: they were the Louisiana state champions

      Can't they be both?!

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    20. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Draknor · · Score: 1

      Besides, I moved from West Virginia to South Florida when I was 11. Seventeen years of hearing hillbilly jokes tends to thicken the skin!

      Wow - that's some pretty cool time compression to fit 17 years of jokes into 11!

      Or did you just really *not* want to come out of the womb? ;-)

    21. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to ruin your joke, but of course he did not hear hillbilly jokes while LIVING in West Virginia. That shit doesn't fly there. So he heard it after moving, making him 28 years old.

    22. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by anothy · · Score: 2, Funny

      True story:
      I lived in London for a little over a year. Towards the beginning of my stay, I was the butt of quite a few "dumb american" jokes. That's okay, I was a good sport; besides, most of what they were saying was both true and funny, so whatever. But the following, about two months into my stay, is when i realized the British are the only people on the planet more blissfully, ignorantly parochial than Americans.

      On a whim, a co-worker asked me in front of about a half dozen or so others, how many states there are in the US. I laughed, responded 50, and turned to go back to work. And then the fun started.
      "Ah! He doesn't even know how many states there are!"
      Beg your pardon? We had to look it up online to convince them that there were, in fact, 50 states, not 52 as half those in attendance were claiming (the other half abstained from the discussion).

      Once that was settled, the conversation moved on to defense and justification: "Well, you don't know how many counties there are in England!" That's right, I don't. But if you were to tell me there were, say, 17, I'd believe you. 'Cause it's your friggin' country! Never mind the fact that counties are much smaller than states, about the size and power of counties in most US states. But my favorite was the ending of the argument:

      "Okay, so which two don't you consider states?"

      For a good time, try to get a brit to explain to you the relationship between Great Britain, the United Kingdom, and England, or ask them which one issues their passport. Good times all around.

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    23. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by suwain_2 · · Score: 1

      Why are they two separate states? I always proposed that West Virginia and Virginia merge, along with North and South Dakota. Clearly, this would allow major federal budget cuts, saving taxpayers huge amounts!

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    24. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Were they counting DC and Puerto Rico or something?

      *boggle*

    25. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by Alioth · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. I'm British, but lived in the US for 7 years. I like the US quite a lot, and I find people from the US are just, well, people. It pisses me off when fellow British people go on about 'dumb Americans'. One case particularly sticks in the mind - recently, a friend was whining about how terrible it was that Americans often confused Scotland and England (he's Scottish and sensitive about that). A couple of weeks later I was talking about something going on in Texas. He was going on about how he didn't know where it was, not interested in US geography etc.

      So I said, "Well you can't complain about Americans not knowing about Scotland then. Texas is bigger than France and you don't even know where it is, let alone even the most trivial bit of history about Texas, such as who Davy Crockett was - yet you expect Americans to know all about Mary Queen of Scots"

      Cue much backpedaling and excuse-making. Then I really went to town on him, perhaps an easy target since I can name all 50 states and have set foot in 26 of them.

      It's all tribal really; Europeans don't like Americans not because of who they are individually, it's just they aren't part of the same tribe.

      On the other hand, I was asked on TWO separate occasions whether we spoke English in England when I was living in Texas. I wish I was kidding - that one is easy to deduce logically without even knowing anything other than the name of England :-/

    26. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by legojenn · · Score: 1

      Well, I wouldn't mind if Vermont got ceded to Canada.

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    27. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by anothy · · Score: 1

      those are my best guesses. of course, they have no idea. i turned the question "which two don't you count?" around as "which two are you making up?".

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    28. Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism by belmolis · · Score: 1

      Around 1970, at the height of the anti-war movement, there was half-serious talk in Vermont of seceding from the US and joining Canada. Another idea was that Vermont should secede from the US, Quebec from Canada, and then Vermont and Quebec would form a new country. I'm pretty sure that one wouldn't have worked out.

  5. Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think they would have figured out how to get the equipment off-site.

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    1. Re:Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      But then you'd have to pay for the power and cooling your self. Not to mention the capital probably has pretty good bandwidth to share all the warez.

    2. Re:Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. by Rifter13 · · Score: 3, Funny

      They problably just assumed no one else knew what to do with a PC, so it was safe. :-)

    3. Re:Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. by vinn01 · · Score: 1

      You think they would have figured out how to get the equipment off-site.

      ..and copy the stuff on their own time? No way!

  6. Heh by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    "Capitol Records"

    Thank you, I'll be here all week.

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    1. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New euphemism for pirating: "Doin' The Charleston".

    2. Re:Heh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "Capitol Records"

      Thank you, I'll be here all week.


      Lots of lurkers and Slashdot Editors scratchin their heads over that one.

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    3. Re:Heh by Misch · · Score: 1

      He'll be thrown out onto the Capitol Steps

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    4. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one Grub!

      +1 Funny and a 10% off coupon on your next CD purchase.

    5. Re:Heh by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1
      No, it's in America, so it'd have to be:

      "Empire Records"

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  7. INCOMING by heauxmeaux · · Score: 2, Funny

    27585 27585 17199 17199 88345 88345 80753 80753 34404 34404
    58442 58442 71825 71825 43587 43587 07411 07411 66063 66063
    60332 60332 55898 55898 32544 32544 14840 14840 01840 01840
    14734 14734 92368 92368 53795 53795 74519 74519 71528 71528

    Line 3 needs more cowbell.


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    1. Re:INCOMING by name773 · · Score: 1

      how do you decode that?

  8. "Studio"? I think not. by Kayamon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pff... That's not a audio/video studio... that's just a guy downloading and burning some DivX movies.

    I think "tens of thousands in state funds" is possibly a bit of an exaggeration.

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    1. Re:"Studio"? I think not. by nowhere.elysium · · Score: 0

      Hah. have you seen how ineptly most large organisations spend money when it comes to any kind of specialist A/V computer hardware? there's this general philosophy that if it's not pricey, it's no good. so i'm inclined to believe that yes, they have snaffled several thousand dollars to do this with. it's probably much easier to mask the purchases if they're big enough, ironically.

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    2. Re:"Studio"? I think not. by punxking · · Score: 1

      Pff... That's not a audio/video studio... that's just a guy downloading and burning some DivX movies.

      I think "tens of thousands in state funds" is possibly a bit of an exaggeration.


      Possibly not, maybe they bought the equipment from CompUSA.

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  9. doesn't help the image of public employees by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Interesting


    This suffice it to say reinforces the image of public sector workers abusing their state privaliges. I remember an interview with Wanda Sykes where she talked about her other job at her job while working at the state. I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.

    1. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing compared to the funds thrown away in misdirected outsouce contracts but employee fraud is not just in state gov but also in the private sector.

    2. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Eightyford · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This suffice it to say reinforces the image of public sector workers abusing their state privaliges. I remember an interview with Wanda Sykes where she talked about her other job at her job while working at the state. I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.

      Yeah, like private sector employees any more competent; and the CEOs are obviously less corrupt than the heads of these organizations. Lets just have Haliburton run the Armed Forces, and Citibank run the US Mint.

    3. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word is "paid", Moron.

    4. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by tpgp · · Score: 1

      Lets just have Haliburton run the Armed Forces, and Citibank run the US Mint.

      And don't forget AT&T to run the telecommications and Enron to run the energy infrastructure ....

      oh.... crap :-(

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    5. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by garcia · · Score: 0

      I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.

      Well, even though a good many people are "abusing their positions" as public sector employees, I have to blame it on the unions and the low wages. With paid benefits dropping like everywhere else in the job industry, public-sector employees aren't seeing their wages make up for their losses elsewhere.

      When you don't get a COL increase for 4 years and you watch your benefits go from 100% to about 60% it's tough.

      But as it's already been said before, this happens everywhere.

    6. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      You mean they aren't?

    7. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like private sector employees any more competent

      Maybe they are and maybe they're not. But private sector companies and their employees have to bid against each other for work. The company that provides the best service for the best price tends to win the business. Does the public employee union bid against anyone?

    8. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that nobody forces me at gunpoint to give money to Citibank.

      But since you apparently agree that everyone's equally corrupt, why not reduce the size of government so it won't do quite so much damage when it's inevitably misused?

    9. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by diamondsw · · Score: 1

      I'll take the inefficiency of government over the corruption of the private sector any day.

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    10. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by teece · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.

      What a brilliant idea! Then you'll have all of the waste, fraud and corruption, and none of the oversight!

      Simply brilliant!

      *rolls eyes"

      Having worked in corporate America for many years, let me assure you that such spending abuses are quite common there, too. Probably much, much more common, given that the process is generally very opaque in corporate America. If the boss doesn't care, there will be no audit. When the boss is *in on it,* mention of an audit will get you fired. Such problems, while still existent, are less pronounced in the public sector. And the public sector is subject to a form of scrutiny that is generally impossible in the private sector.

      At *best* such privatization would add overhead and gain you nothing. At worst (and most likely) it'd turn government into a craven mess of bribery and kickbacks, reduce services, and give you a less effective government at a higher price, to boot.

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    11. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I seen privatization of the government in action. It doesn't work. They ahve less controlls, and don't look at things IN THE LONG RUN.
      When you are a buearu, you need to look at impact 25-100 years into the future. You don't save 25% of the price of a pipes that will only last 10 years. A corporation would.

      Most people have no idea why things cost more, they just say "yep, me cuda done dat meself fir the screw in ma garage and 2 doller spens at da hardware store."

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    12. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Politburo · · Score: 1

      I remember an interview with Wanda Sykes where she talked about her other job at her job while working at the state.

      I'm baffled as to why this is relevant. First off, comedians are known to exaggerate things for comedic effect. Second, there's nothing that says you can't hold a 2nd job if you're in government (assuming the 2nd job is unrelated to your duties and you're not double clocking the time). Third, how does privatization fix this?

      Privatization of New Jersey's DMV inspections was a complete disaster. Therefore, by your logic of "one anecdote is enough for me!" you should be against privatization.

    13. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This suffice it to say reinforces the image of public sector workers abusing their state privaliges.


      Yeah, and everybody knows all civil servants are just like that. That's a mighty wide paintbrush there, Sparky!

      I remember an interview with Wanda Sykes where she talked about her other job at her job while working at the state.


      And Wanda Sykes is anything but anecdotal?

      I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.


      Well, being a civil servant I can tell you that they tried to outsource us but figured out that they'd end up having to pay more in the long run. Secondly, I worked at a DOD contractor for a little over a year and I helped blow more money on stuff that didn't matter in three months than I have in five years at my current civil service position. Did I do anything illegal? Hell no. Was there waste, fraud, and abuse? Not that I know of. There was however copious amounts of stupidity. There's nothing like ordering 800k worth of high performance computing equipment for your six person dev team and letting it sit somewhere in a warehouse to go obsolete because somebody cannot be troubled with moving it to your building. And no, we weren't allowed to do the moving. In addition there was a culture of being one of the "cool kids" on the social 'in' track with respect to this company and it showed by who got screwed over and who didn't... just like the so-called "good ole boy" culture you'll find in some areas of civil service.

      The grass is always greener...

      And on a couple of other sibling posts I've noticed that everybody thinks we're all union. Well the janitors and cleaning personnel are, but the accounting, IT, and engineering folks where I work sure as hell aren't. We're employed "at the leisure of the government" which basically means they can get rid of us pretty darn quick. Some of my coworkers got a big surprise during the purges of '02 and '03 when the budget went through the floor.
    14. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Arcane_Rhino · · Score: 1

      The difference is that nobody forces me at gunpoint to give money to Citibank.

      You sir, have obviously never missed a payment.

      (It's funny, laugh.)

    15. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Pensacola+Tiger · · Score: 1

      Does the public employee union bid against anyone? Yes, they do. http://osmp.od.nih.gov/a76.asp

    16. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      So some government worker had a desktop machine that was good enough and had the spare space to double as a MythTV. Big f*cking deal. This is a story fabricated out of total nothingness.

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    17. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      So your blame for unions is that they aren't strong enough? Sounds like the unions in the examples you cite - if there were any - did a piss poor job of fighting for their members.

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    18. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by gowen · · Score: 1
      The company that provides the best service for the best price tends to win the business.
      If only that were the case. In actuality, the company that provides the lowest price tends to win, regardless of the merits of their service.
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    19. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      It depends on what you privatise, and the controls.

      The ultimate control is market control. We currently have socialized medicine in the UK and you could privatise it, because you can give individuals the power to choose their doctor/hospital.

      The problem is mostly when you leave government in charge, but then outsourcing services to the private sector, because there's still no competition to drive things forward, and opportunities for corruption and incompetence. There's a whole bunch of UK government computer projects I can think of that cost billions.

    20. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked for the government for the last 10 years. I haven't seen anything that's projcet past the end of the next fiscal year. Sorry dude, but those projections are irrelevant lies. The whole purpose of the organization is to spend all of their money by the end of the fiscal year.

    21. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Privatization is not the answer.

      A corporations objective is to increase shareholder value at any cost. Or if they are private to make some money.

      Its true that would help efficiency since businesses want to invest wisely to stop high expenses unlike a government agency.

      But the problem is that a company has to grow and its motivations are not the same as a government agency that wants to help people. There is a strong motivation for Haliburtun to waste billions of your tax dollars with unaccountable records that the whitehouse mysteriously lost. hmmm how did that happen?

      There is a motivation for Boeing to lie about the strenght of our military and lobby our elected officials to buy more planes we dont need, etc.

      The DMV in new jersey became privatized and it was a disaster. The company just closed offices and laid off people, charge the tax payers the same amount, and provided an inferior service. Its more profitable?

      The problem is regulation is too strict so like what someone else pointed out its easier to pay for an outrageous repair cost for a projector then to purchase another one.

    22. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      private sector companies and their employees have to bid against each other for work. The company that provides the best service for the best price tends to win the business. Does the public employee union bid against anyone?

      That is usually the case at the start of privatization, but what usually happens is that the contractor becomes "embedded" in the job and changing to a new contractor involves all kinds of additional expenses in the forms of retraining and general loss of institutional knowledge. At that point, it becomes easier (and is perceived to be cheaper) to (permanently) stick with the now embedded contractor - even if their rates are significantly higher than the other bidders.

      Thus, you typically end up with exactly the same result as you do with the public employees, except now most of the excess goes to the owners of the contractor and less goes to the people who actually do the work.

      I'm all for a competitive environment to keep costs under control, but the way privatization is usually implemented in the USA does not produce that result. Instead, it is just another way for the rich to get richer at the expensive of the taxpayers and the regular employees.

    23. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      But private sector companies and their employees have to bid against each other for work.

      Except in the case of monopolies, or in the case where corruption & cronyism are in play. In those cases, "competition" is just wishful thinking.

    24. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So some government worker had a desktop machine that was good enough and had the spare space to double as a MythTV. Big f*cking deal. This is a story fabricated out of total nothingness.


      I'm not sure if you're talking about the story (which if you are, I agree with you) or my previous AC post (in which case I don't). The machines sitting in the warehouse were a shitload of UltraSparcs.. not exactly MythTV material. Then again, they may not even have the horsepower to run MythTV nowadays. :)

      Are you still in NZ?
    25. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean than Enron justifies the elimination of capitalism? They burned through billions of dollars, while this was under $100,000. If you include illegal actions on the part of Tyco, Boeing, Merck(Vioxx), to name just a few, maybe we should just kill all the big business CEOs right now. (Remember that Vioxx killed people as opposed to stealing from them, so death is appropriate.) They all must be guilty. By association.

      It's not my logic, it's yours.

    26. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Don't forget. A series one Tivo only has a 100Mhz PPC in it.

      It's not always obvious whether or not a machine would make a suitable multimedia machine. A 4-way ultrasparc probably has enough horsepower to manage. The key thing is drivespace. Also, unless you are planning on transcoding things, you really don't need much more than the equivalent of a 500Mhz x86.

      Even if you are planning on transcoding, the 500Mhz class machine will still handle it. It will just have to be a batch job. Unix is great for those.

      People were doing video editing long before 1Ghz cpus came along.

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    27. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by penix1 · · Score: 1

      There is no union for WV state employees. Take it from me as I am a WV State employee....

      B.

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    28. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by penix1 · · Score: 1

      "The whole purpose of the organization is to spend all of their money by the end of the fiscal year."

      And the whole reason for that is the "use it or lose it" you have with government budgets. If you don't need to replace equipment this year but you did last year your budget for this year is going to be bigger. If you don't spend it then you lose it next year meaning that when you do need it for more equipment it won't be there.

      That issue aside, people that scream "privatize" often forget (or are ignorant of the fact) that government provides services that the private sector can't or won't provide. If it was then some company would already be providing it. Everything that has been privatized has been a disaster that I have seen. It usually leads to more expense and less product than having it done "in-house".

      B.

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    29. Re:doesn't help the image of public employees by das_cookie · · Score: 1
      The implication being that the government isn't corrupt. I want some of what you're smoking....

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  10. I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Kylere · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Take one college educated idiot (Usually a MBA)
    2. Place in charge of a group of geeks who actually know their jobs
    3. Pay Fines!

    1. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by m93 · · Score: 2, Funny

      As one of those geeks under him; I say you are correct!

    2. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      as an MBA, I find your comment utterly vulgur and unnatural. None of the geeks that work under me would ever do such a thing. I have system logs from /dev/null that show nothing is going on.

    3. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by I_Want_This_ID · · Score: 1

      As an MBA, I find you comments almost correct. The key distinction is if the MBA also has a BA in business or a technical degree.

      I think someone who has technical bachelors and masters degrees is just as limited as someone who has business oriented bachelors and masters degrees. The real key is to have one of each.

      but then again I'm a consultant, not a manager

    4. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Take one college educated idiot (Usually a MBA)
      2. Place in charge of a group of geeks who actually know their jobs

      You don't have a degree, do you?

    5. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Kylere · · Score: 1

      See, you are a great example! You cannot be in charge because you possess a clue :-)

    6. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Kylere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WRONG! The difference is that I do not think my degree makes me a genius.

    7. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Monkey · · Score: 1

      MBA = Management by Bumbling Around

    8. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 1

      4. ???
      5. Profit!

      Come on, this is Slashdot. Why was this cliché not included?

    9. Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA by Kylere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fought it, because the people issuing the fines will be the government, and the people paying the fines will be the government, and erm umm, doh! 4. THE LAWYERS PROFIT

  11. Look on the bright side by thaerin · · Score: 2, Funny

    his staff found the makeshift audio-video studio amid his widening probe into spending and other abuses at the state General Services Division.

    Look on the bright side, maybe the person(s) behind the purchases were filming some amateur porn and the state can sue their earnings to recoup some extra cash.

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  12. the movie rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was it rated arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? (pirate joke, lol)

    1. Re:the movie rating by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Pirates arrrrrr great!

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  13. "commonly used to crack header codes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the heck are "header codes?"

  14. Did Anyone Check The Content? by Black-Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was it gigabytes of "Take Me Home Country Roads" on mp3 and the movie "Deliverence"?

    1. Re:Did Anyone Check The Content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie Deliverance was filmed in Georgia and took place there as well. Get your facts straight.

    2. Re:Did Anyone Check The Content? by kurbchekt · · Score: 0

      I make my sister squeal like a pig you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Did Anyone Check The Content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deliverence does NOT take place in WV. GAWD! I not even from WV, though I live here now and it ticks me off that people think that. Actually I think the movie takes place somewhere closer to Georgia.

    4. Re:Did Anyone Check The Content? by Black-Man · · Score: 1

      "Take Me Home Country Roads" talks about the Blue Ridge Mountains... they're in VIRGINIA. So its all "relative" ROFL

  15. So? by cbgb · · Score: 0, Troll

    government is corrupt. Is this news?

    1. Re:So? by geekoid · · Score: 0

      yes it is. You also seem the point where they were caught and fired.

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    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, I didn't catch it at first but now I see how the article says that everyone in the building was participating in the piracy. Yes, the entire government is corrupt, not just one or two people.
      Fucking moron.

  16. 21st Century underground by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Funny

    "As we continue to peel back the onion, every time we turn a corner we find something else that doesn't look right," Ferguson said.

    And I remember when covertly distilling Moonshine was a problem!

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    1. Re:21st Century underground by Elvis+Parsley · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm just wondering where they're finding onions with corners.

    2. Re:21st Century underground by Kaimelar · · Score: 1

      And I remember when covertly distilling Moonshine was a problem!

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=5029896

      Moonshining is still an issue . . . (and yes, the pun was deliberate!)

    3. Re:21st Century underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old and busted: Bonzai Kitty

      New hotness: Bonzai Onion

    4. Re:21st Century underground by nytes · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:21st Century underground by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      What i think is a crock is that if you (as a biochemist) start "cracking" and hit above a certain proof number you would actually have to have 1 ABC permits (and the tax stamps) 2 some sort of waiver 3 spike the bottles so that they are not drinkable

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    6. Re:21st Century underground by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      Good point. I work in a public health lab and one of the laboratory directors likes to tell stories about when he discovered some lab techs were homebrewing wine and using the lab facilities for fermenting the batches and storing them in a supply room for several years as they aged.

      It wasn't discovered earlier because previous lab directors had apparently accepted bottles of the finished product as payment for keeping the public health winery a well guarded secret.

    7. Re:21st Century underground by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Damn genetic engineers...

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  17. "Motion video?" by nathan+s · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the article: "...one hard drive contained approximately 40 full-length motion videos..."

    As opposed to what? Videos of still images? Someone sitting there with a photo album and a camcorder, I guess...goes to show you what people will do when they don't have a scanner...

    1. Re:"Motion video?" by lonasindi · · Score: 1

      From the article: "...one hard drive contained approximately 40 full-length motion videos..."

      I assume they misspoke when they meant to say 'Motion pictures'

  18. How is this different from running distributed.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, there are potential copyright violations (which are not necessarily crimes).

    But theft of resources is troubling. Remember the folks who set up rc5 cracking clients, or seti@home clients on government computers? Not good.

  19. Fired for overtime! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ferguson recently fired two division staffers, Gary McClanahan and Gary Bryant, after they claimed they had worked 18-hour days 119 times over the course of 2 1/2 years. Ferguson said a $466, 24-inch flat-screen computer monitor was found in Bryant's office but that no evidence suggests either man orchestrated the computer purchases.

    Sometimes, an 18hour work day is exactly that.
    Some places allow practically all the overtime you can log - simply because its cheaper to let you work greater hours than to hire/train somebody up to your role.

    Firing them because they were hard workers is wrong.
    Firing them because they made fraudulant claims is right.

    (they do sound like the BOFH and PFY though don't they)

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    1. Re:Fired for overtime! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I once met a group of government IT workers who, by applying the union rules, were able to stretch their hours considerably. It had something to do with the fact that the minimum claimable overtime period was 4 hours, but they were permitted to claim overtime even if they only worked 15 minutes. So by staying 15 minutes past the end of the day, they were able (were required to, in fact) to claim an additional 4 hours of overtime.

      This group was actually working hard, and doing legitimate 12 hour days, but by doing strategic 15 minute increments they were all able to charge 24 hours a day. This lasted for about a 2 week period.

      They appeared to be quite proud of themselves.

    2. Re:Fired for overtime! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think the point is that they CLAIMED to have those days and actually did not work those hours or even appear to show up

    3. Re:Fired for overtime! by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      That guy got a good price on a 24inch monitor! Then, he DARED to work ONE 18 hour day every three weeks! FIRE THE BASTARD!!

        Erm, doesn't sound crooked at all, actually, does it?

    4. Re:Fired for overtime! by Qwell · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they sort their time logging sheets by first name, and Gary (both of them) just type their first name, and don't bother looking at the last name? Do gov employees get paid lunches? 9 * 2 = 18. Did they check if one had 0 hours logged on the same day that the other had 18? Where I work, you only have to log your hours if you do overtime, and you just get paid for "base hours" (generally 8, which would appear as 9, since we don't get paid for lunch) if no overtime is logged.

      Yes, the above would make it seem like only one of the Gary's would have the extra hours...but not if the sort order wasn't explicitly defined, and could vary (ie; sometimes it'll be Gary B, then Gary M, and other M then B). Let's say that the sort order was "backwards" exactly 50% of the time. There are some ~250 working days per year (probably less for government employees, and even less with vacation time).

      So, taking that 50% of the time, here are the possible outcomes (exactly 25% chance for each) for a given day.

      Gary B selects Gary B, Gary M selects Gary M - 9 hours each
      Gary B selects Gary B, Gary M selects Gary B - 18 hours for Gary B
      Gary B selects Gary M, Gary M selects Gary M - 18 hours for Gary M
      Gary B selects Gary M, Gary M selects Gary B - 9 hours each

      250 days (per year) * 2.5 years = 625 days
      625 / 4 = 156...not too far off from the 119

      Now, let's say they only work 4 days a week (hey, they're government employees, right? {well...were}).
      208 days per year, minus holidays (8 iirc), and vacation (say, 10?) = 190
      190 days (per year) * 2.5 years = 475 days
      475 / 4 = 118.75...pretty close

      These calculations assume exactly 2.5 years (it could have been more like 2.25), and it also assumes they both took their vacation on the same exact days (unlikely).

      As far as the 24" LCD goes...what was his job? He very well may have required it to do his job effectively (just like some of us need multiple screens, or, as in his case, larger screens).

      I guess my point is...we don't know enough about what led up to this decision.

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    5. Re:Fired for overtime! by Procrastin8er · · Score: 0

      Firing them because they were hard workers is wrong.
      These were state workers we are talking about, getting them to put in an 8 hour day would be a miracle, never mind overtime.

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    6. Re:Fired for overtime! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but this is state government we're talking about - keep the people who show up on time but don't actually do any work, fire the people who put in overtime to carry all their dead weight.

    7. Re:Fired for overtime! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Well if his coworkers claimed he did not work these hours yet billed the government then that would be fraud and I think that is what the article is going after.

    8. Re:Fired for overtime! by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      119 18-hour days over 2.5 years? Sheesh, it sounds like anyplace I've worked in the last 20 years. Mind you, I've either gotten compensation time, excellent salary, or incredible satisfaction in return for it.

      How do you think schoolteachers work? And why do you think they need the 3-month summer, to recover or to work at something that pays them what they're worth?

    9. Re:Fired for overtime! by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      This group was actually working hard, and doing legitimate 12 hour days, but by doing strategic 15 minute increments they were all able to charge 24 hours a day. This lasted for about a 2 week period. They appeared to be quite proud of themselves.

      Of course they were. And quite rightly, too.

      Corporations and governments will screw you over in a heartbeat if they can find a legal way to do so and if it will earn, or save, them money. But you don't blame them for that. It's just their nature. So I for one have no moral objection to doing the same to them if the opportunity should arise. If those are the rules by which the corporate world wants to play, then I'll applaud whenever a human being manages to score against them.

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    10. Re:Fired for overtime! by penix1 · · Score: 1

      Nice math there...

      Let's start this off by saying that I am a WV state employee and I'll tell you what GSA does. They are responsible for the upkeep of the Capitol Complex grounds. They are not office workers and don't need computers to do grounds keeping. The one who had the computer was a manager (really a political appointee meaning "will and pleasure" servant) who did need a computer but doing nothing requiring that large of a screen. He was sort of cleared of wrong doing for the moment only because they don't have the evidence against him (yet). The FBI is going over everything in the GSA with a fine tooth comb and you can bet your lunch that convictions will come out of this. The ones in question weren't managers so the question comes to the front of where the hell were their supervisors?

      As to overtime, I can't think of any reason GSA would need overtime. Grounds keeping is scheduled in such a way that overtime is unnecessary and by executive order not authorized except in writing (which is how they got caught). No, this is abuse of the system all around plain and simple. That and a lack of supervision and financial oversight which is why this is the manager's fault.

      B.

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  20. Square onions by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 2, Funny

    "As we continue to peel back the onion, every time we turn a corner we find something else that doesn't look right," Ferguson said.

    I didn't know onions had corners. But you can bet that onions with corners wouldn't look right.

    On another note, hahahahahahaha. Awesome.^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H--I mean...how awful.

    Only 40 movies and 3,500 mp3s?
    Whatcha wanna bet that the gear that hasn't been located yet has a lot more? And a nice CD and DVD archive nearby?

    1. Re:Square onions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they have corners - your evil and stupid science education has taken you away from the one truth of the Time Cube!

    2. Re:Square onions by SchrodingersRoot · · Score: 1

      whosoever modded me down ought to have checked timestamps!

  21. Could be done cheaper.... by slashname3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The government always over spends. The whole operation could be done much cheaper. Most readers on /. probably have the equipment to rip and burn cd/DVDs and have not spent as much as they claim to have spent.

    But maybe they are using numbers provided by RIAA or MPAA. Those always seem to be inflated.

    1. Re:Could be done cheaper.... by kfg · · Score: 1

      Couple hundred for a used PIII from the City Mission, with Mandrake preinstalled. Fourty bucks to put a burner in it. Software is free.

      If they were burning in bulk two grand for a DVD publisher would be nice.

      The government can't even run a cheap skunkworks on the cheap.

      KFG

    2. Re:Could be done cheaper.... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Mandrake?

      Never tried to make a DVD in linux, have you? ;)

      (or if you have, and know of something better than dvdauthor, then for the gods' sake, tell me!!!)

  22. Gotta love that headline. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we back into the days of yellow journalism here?

    tens of thousands in "piracy equipment"? "computers and video gear"?!

    last time i checked my 3 towers and 9 hard disks didn't cost tens of thousands (and two of them are macs!)

    piracy setup? come on now! a tower with dvd decryptor and a couple hundred gigs of avis and mp3's is now a vast piracy setup. that's funny. If this is the headline for such a pitifully small collection, i wander if the headline for the arrest of someone on my res hall would read "international organized piracy syndicate taken down".

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    1. Re:Gotta love that headline. by amishdisco · · Score: 1

      Dude, shouldn't you be cleaning out your office instead of posting on Slashdot?

    2. Re:Gotta love that headline. by kimvette · · Score: 5, Informative

      {
      last time i checked my 3 towers and 9 hard disks didn't cost tens of thousands (and two of them are macs!)
      }

      You didn't buy them from state-approved vendors who are on the official bidding lists.

      State bidding lists work like this: when the contract is about to end, the state invites vendors to bid (more actually they obfuscate the process to make it more difficult to newcomers to get in on the process, so the system is weighted toward favored vendors), in a superficial effort to meet state law in controlling budgets.

      In reality, the bidding process is made as difficult as humanly possible. The regulatiosn are hard to find, each responsible person tells you to call someone else, and the folks who succeed in getting in on it invariably are the ones who wine and dine the officials.

      ANYWAY the bidding process usually gives you two optios:

        - bid cost + percentage (which practically no one does because it would reveal the markup)
        - bid MSRP/List Price minus a percentage (and as you know on most products list price may be as low as 30% over cost, or as much as 300% to 400% over cost on average for different products and brands)

      Once you win the contract, you now have the "right" to sell directly to state and municipal agencies, completely bypassing any further bidding processes. This is intended to reduce the budget by being able to plan cost of operations up front, and to eliminate paperwork and delays introduced by conventional bidding processes. Unfortunately it's all to common for vendors to get in on the list bidding a PITTANCE of a discount (example: Dell, 2% off of list price, which is an inflated work of fiction) knowing that the process to get IN on the bidding is painful at best.

      Even worse, the lowest bid does NOT always win on the bid lists (this goes for both state and GSA lists) and in fact the officials/agencies overseeing the bidding process can choose to ignore the bids and pick whomever the heck they want to win. They can cite support reasons (Yeah. Dell support is just WONDERFUL compared to local Dell vendors), size of the company, or any other contrived reason that sounds remotely plausible.

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    3. Re:Gotta love that headline. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember... It's the government. A toilet seat costs $200 and a roll of toilet paper is $5. So I think "tens of thousands of dollars" falls right in line.

    4. Re:Gotta love that headline. by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      "Yellow journalism"? Please. We've shortened it to just 'journalism' nowadays.

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    5. Re:Gotta love that headline. by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > ...i wander if the headline for the arrest of someone on my res
      > hall would read "international organized piracy syndicate taken
      > down".

      Yes, of course it would, and if anyone in the building is from the Middle East there would be allegations that the operation was "financing terrorism".

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    6. Re:Gotta love that headline. by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      International Piracy Syndicate...

      Reminds me of my college days. Back in the mid 90's a rich kid and his roomate lived off campus, and the rich kid had A CD BURNER. Back when it was a 1x and cost a whole lot of money. Well, they got into "piracy" and such.

      Which means, they would make copies of music cd's for a price, compile CD's of several games on it (back when you could fit 20+ games on 1 CD) and CD's full of pr0n, CD's of applications, etc, all for markup, maybe $10 when a blank cost $2.

      The non-rich kid roomate got really paranoid that they would be busted by the CIA or the campus cops or something. Looking back on it now, it's pretty funny. I had him burn a CD backup of my 520 meg HD, it was my first CD-r, probably still have it around here somewhere.

      A roomate of mine, when we lived ON campus, set up a FTP server on his computer and posted the login to a WAREZ newsgroup. He arranged a "download as much as you upload" warez FTP site. He operated his site for a couple of weeks until his friend, who worked in the computer center, informed him that the-powers-that-be are well aware of his operation and he'd better retire ASAP. Still makes me chuckle.

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  23. The Hand in the Face by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that this case underscores how little government bureaucrats understand about the technology being used in their own buildings right under their very noses. Far too often when someone tries to bring a technical matter to the attention of someone with the authority to do something about it, they get The Hand in the Face... 'uhp, uhp, uhp, I don't want to hear about it... if it's not about a massive campaign contribution I don't want to know.' Well, when the suits from the media companies come knocking, well, The Hand in the Face tactic isn't going to work.

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    1. Re:The Hand in the Face by HardCase · · Score: 1

      I think that this case underscores how little government bureaucrats understand about the technology being used in their own buildings right under their very noses.

      The technology thing is a red herring. What the case really underscores is the lack of oversight of employees using government purchasing cards. A $1000 limit to trigger review of a purchase may be too low, depending on the level of the employee.

      In the next city over from me, this happened last year. Some city employees were using the cards like their own personal cash stash and buying everything from personal electronics to baby clothes. It cost the mayor, his chief of staff and the chief of police their jobs. The mayor, his chief of staff and at least one other employee went to jail.

      Now the purchasing cards are tightly controlled and all purchases are reviewed at least monthly.

      In this case, the purchases were related to computers, but they could have been anything. The point is that there must be accountability for government spending, no matter what level of government is concerned.

      -h-

  24. The RIAA Could Sue by Saint37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The RIAA's argument is that a computer owner should know what their children or other users are doing with their computers and are thus responsible for any piracy that occurs using said computer. By this same logic the RIAA could sue the State of West Virginaia, but of course, the RIAA wouldn't do that. They only go after individuals.

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    1. Re:The RIAA Could Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      From South Park...
      [A mansion, somewhere, day. The agent has taken the boys for a ride and arrived here. He leads them to the main gate]
      Detective: This is the home of Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica. [they approach a bush] Look. There's Lars now, sitting by his pool. [he's seen sitting on the edge of a chaise longue, his face in his hands, softly sobbing]
      Kyle: What's the matter with him?
      Detective: This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it. [a close-up of Lars sobbing] Come. There's more. [leads them away. Next seen is a small airport at night] Here's Britney Spears' private jet. Notice anything? [a shot of Britney boarding a plane, then stopping to look at it before entering] Britney used to have a Gulfstream IV. Now she's had to sell it and get a Gulfstream III because people like you chose to download her music for free. [Britney gives a heavy sigh and goes inside.] The Gulfstream III doesn't even have a remote control for its surround-sound DVD system. Still think downloading music for free is no big deal?
      Kyle: We... didn't realize what we were doing, eh...
      Detective: That is the folly of man. Now look in this window. [they are at another mansion, and they look inside a picture window] Here you see the loving family of Master P. [He's shown tossing a basketball to his wife while his kid tries to catch it] Next week is his son's birthday and, all he's ever wanted was an island in French Polynesia. [his mom lowers the ball and gives it to the boy, who smiles, picks it up and drops it. It rolls away and he goes after it]
      Kyle: So, he's gonna get it, right?
      Detective: I see an island without an owner. If things keep going the way they are, the child will not get his tropical paradise.
      Stan: [apologetically] We're sorry! We'll, we'll never download music for free again!
      Detective: [somberly, dramatically] Man must learn to think of these horrible outcomes before he acts selfishly or else... I fear... recording artists will be forever doomed to a life of only semi-luxury.
      ...

    2. Re:The RIAA Could Sue by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

      The state has sovereign immunity.

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    3. Re:The RIAA Could Sue by teknomage1 · · Score: 1

      Not from FEDERAL laws.

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  25. Piracy in the workplace is common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ask anyone in tech support who has had to work in a bloated bureaucratic building overpopulated with secretaries. My favorite encounter was cleaning a couple thousand pieces of spyware off some secretary's computer. While I was doing that, she and another secretary were copying DVD movies on their computers, as well as their boss's computer. Apparently the boss was gone for the day. So basically, I was helping her burn DVDs faster.

    Thank you Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine.

    1. Re:Piracy in the workplace is common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Lets not forget the installation of a T3 line at the Dean's home that CWRU had to pay for... or so rumor would have it.

    2. Re:Piracy in the workplace is common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're not talking about Ray Neff here? It was probably more like only a T1, rather than a T3!

  26. Spend thy neighbour. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""Someone in West Virginia has apparently spent tens of thousands in state funds to acquire computers and video gear to copy movies and music. "

    Didn't slashdot have a story awhile back were the majority of the public felt it was OK to copy movies and music? So why should we be surprised that we found a group of people willing to put words into action? Yes they used taxpayer money, but then if someone isn't going to respect the laws concerning copyright, why should we be surprised that they don't respect the laws concerning taxpayer money?

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  27. They did by Daath · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA: "Not all the purchased computers and gear can be located, Ferguson said."

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  28. I'm shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have computers in West Virginia?

  29. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the least significant warez case I have about heard in years. Even ten times that still isn't much warez. How did this minor case become a slashdot headline?

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it happened in government with taxpayer money?

  30. Overstated? by rnelsonee · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The review found that someone in General Services sidestepped state purchasing rules to buy more than $88,000 worth of computers and related equipment over the last three years, including the items discovered in the basement office. Not all the purchased computers and gear can be located, Ferguson said.

    Is it possible that most of that $88K went to legit computer purchases? 40 movies, 3,500 MP3s, and oh-so-common DeCSS software is all easily fit into one normal PC. And hundreds of blank DVDs/CDs isn't all that much - it's $100 worth of merchandise found on newegg. Sure, this guy was copying movies, but wouldn't bet that this is one of those "zero patient" cases.

    1. Re:Overstated? by corbettw · · Score: 1

      If these guys were spending their days ripping DVDs and CDs rather than doing something productive (like, you know, reading Slashdot), chances are not all of the $88,000 in equipment was used for that purpose. Wonder how much they've got sitting at home, or what their eBay IDs are.

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    2. Re:Overstated? by Unordained · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Waste, fraud, corruption -- they don't always happen in lump sums. So admittedly, we can't expect every find (nor very many of them) to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. But considering how much it probably cost them to just run the audit, and compared to the general budget, I'd have to guess this wasn't that great of a find (in terms of ROI and/or % originally wasted.) Yes, it's naughty, yes, it's great to find it ... but ... just considering I've watched local government workers use grants for bio-terrorism to purchase themselves PDA's and laptops because they wanted them (not really bothering to justify the purchases) ... or how often they just sit up there and play games and rip music in the sheriff's department (they're bored!) ... *sigh* ... or the time wasted by employees reading/writing slashdot while at work ... $88k? bah.

    3. Re:Overstated? by Maestro4k · · Score: 1
      Is it possible that most of that $88K went to legit computer purchases? It's possible but not likely, the article notes this:

      General Services maintains the Capitol Complex grounds and buildings, among other duties. Yet Schafer's memo shows that it purchased $51,000 worth of computers during the 2005 budget year alone, compared to the $45,726 worth bought by the state auditor's office.

      Doesn't sound like they really need more computer equipment than the state auditor's office would given the department's duties. That alone makes it seem unlikely that all that was spent on legit purchases. The clincher though is this from the article:

      Not all the purchased computers and gear can be located, Ferguson said.

      If they'd been purchased legitimately they'd probably have found them by now, it sounds like this corruption probe has been going on for a while and even as badly disorganized as many government departments tend to be it wouldn't take more than a few weeks to find and inventory all the computer equipment still on site. The rest has gone home with people, and of that the legitimate stuff probably had paperwork filled out so they know where it is too.

    4. Re:Overstated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've watched local government workers use grants for bio-terrorism to purchase themselves PDA's and laptops because they wanted them (not really bothering to justify the purchases)
      You would be surprised (maybe) and appalled (certainly) if the amount of government money which is spent on personal interest trinkets and hot new gadgets could be quantified.

      Government employees and contractors go completely googly-eyed when they can say,"See this new gadget that I have? Aren't I so cool?"
    5. Re:Overstated? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "Doesn't sound like they really need more computer equipment than the state auditor's office would given the department's duties."

      I'd like to see figures for desk staff for each of the departments -- auditor's office employs 140-150, plus outsources if any (from a rough tally I did from their website). General Services has no website, so I couldn't get a count.

      Also, more food for thought: The auditor's office is going to be more cost-effective in their purchasing. In any organization, the bean-counters (such as myself) will count cost as a bigger factor in purchasing decisions than other departments. After all, the numbers are the focus of their day.

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    6. Re:Overstated? by Xolotl · · Score: 1
      Doesn't sound like they really need more computer equipment than the state auditor's office would given the department's duties.

      I work in the Physics/Astronomy department of a university. We flog our computers hard, data analysis, modeling, number crunching of all sorts all the time. But who has the newest, latest computers, with shiny P4s, laptops, projectors and all sorts? Humanities. Who use Word and PowerPoint.

      Why?

      Because every year we and they have to spend our budgets fully, otherwise next year the budget gets cut (according to the you-didn't-spend-it-so-you-don't-need-it logic). Now, even though our budgets are larger, we spend lots on other kinds of hardware -- experimental equipment, instruments, that sort of thing. Whereas pretty much all they can spend it on is newer computers. So they do.

      Now, whether the same sort of thing happens here, I don't know, but given the (il)logic of beaurocracy everywhere, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

    7. Re:Overstated? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Could they have had some sort of piracy ring of buying $88,000 worth of equipment, and mostly the DVD movies and CD audio disks to copy and then sell the bootleg copies over the Internet or something? I mean it would make sense that they were putting in 18 hour days to make all of those copies. Chances are they bought some multi-burners for DVD and CD copying. Mostly likely they rented a T1 if not a T3 connection to download more music and movies over the Internet when they could not afford to buy any more media.

      Some auditor must have finally caught on to it, or a coworker blew the whistle on them?

      I'll bet they cashed in the sales from pirated copies for themselves, but used WV money to buy the media to copy and pirate? Most likely the money is in a Swiss Bank account and they will use it to hire themselves some good lawyers? I heard Bill Clinton will get his license back soon, maybe he can take them on for a case?

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    8. Re:Overstated? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you're one "midnight procurement" away from a good budget system. A processor swapped here, memory swapped there, and Humanities is none the wiser. (This approach works better if you watch what they buy for new computers, then buy your new gear with malice aforethought, to insure easy upgrades.)

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  31. ...and with that by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    egregious spelling, I'm thinking you're just jealous they passed the civil service exam.

  32. Rootkit by MaxPowerDJ · · Score: 1

    Heh, who knows how many of those equipments are infected by Sony's rootkit...

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  33. Planet Charleston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a reason why those of us up north refer to the capital as 'Planet Charleston'. This just reinforces the notion.

    That's not saying the papers like the Dominion-Post are any better. I buy the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette myself.

  34. Come on Ferguson, happening right under you by inajamaica · · Score: 0

    It's one thing to use company time to run your underground piracy scheme, but to budget that sum of money to do it is beyond bold! And what of this Ferguson character? "As we continue to peel back the onion, every time we turn a corner we find something else that doesn't look right," Well duh, how long have YOU been letting this go on? It blows my mind that people in charge can be so removed from what's going on...

    1. Re:Come on Ferguson, happening right under you by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      "It blows my mind that people in charge can be so removed from what's going on..."

      You haven't watched the news in the last few years, have you?

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  35. probably just a pompus way of saying by 512k · · Score: 1

    renaming..or filling out the ID3 tags

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    1. Re:probably just a pompus way of saying by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      No, it's just a pompous way of refering to decss and associated tools.

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  36. considering who low scale this all sounds by atarione · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'm not sure why they needed $88K in computer equipment to copy 40 f'ing movies and 3500mp3's.... i could have got all that ++ for what ... $2K or less... I have encoded all my cd's to mp3 and I have way more than 3500 songs on my computer right now.... typical goverment employees, paying crazy high prices to accomplish something anyone off the street could accomplish for a fraction.... even when committing crimes.

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    1. Re:considering who low scale this all sounds by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      This is Government (with a capitol G). Remember what they pay for hammers and toilet seats.

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    2. Re:considering who low scale this all sounds by popeye44 · · Score: 1

      Yea.. but a sub 500.00 flat screen 24in wow.. thats a deal!

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  37. The scary part... by sczimme · · Score: 0, Redundant


    "As we continue to peel back the onion, every time we turn a corner we find something else that doesn't look right," Ferguson said.

    The scary part is that their onions have corners.

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  38. I'll bet... by lawpoop · · Score: 1

    I'll bet a couple of nerds in WV are shitting themselves right now.

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  39. some employees are getting the axe by timster121 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, what are they getting axed?

    1. Re:some employees are getting the axe by SheeEttin · · Score: 0

      No, no, you misunderstood.
      The employees are not getting something axed.
      They are getting axes.

    2. Re:some employees are getting the axe by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Those responsible for axing the people who have just been axed, have been
      axed.

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  40. The $25,000 question by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    How many Slashdotters actually know what the capital of West Virginia is without having to look it up?

    1. Re:The $25,000 question by sprag · · Score: 1

      Um, six?

    2. Re:The $25,000 question by bilbravo · · Score: 1

      I do, but I'm from West Virginia!

    3. Re:The $25,000 question by mopslik · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are two capitals in West Virginia: "W" and "V".

    4. Re:The $25,000 question by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean anything. I know Marylanders that think their state capital is Baltimore, and Pennsylvanians disagree over whether theirs is Philadelphia or Pittsburg.

    5. Re:The $25,000 question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Illinoisans assume the capital of their state is Chicago.

    6. Re:The $25,000 question by LeeTax0r · · Score: 1

      I work for a pc repair/retail shop in WV and we often do business with the Capital.

    7. Re:The $25,000 question by bilbravo · · Score: 1

      Well, I currently live in Baltmore, so I know the capitol of Maryland isn't Baltimore, it's Annapolis! But I know what you mean, people generally go for the big cities. If you know much about WV though, you should know Charleston is the obvious choice, although some might say Morgantown because WVU is there.

    8. Re:The $25,000 question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer: Somewhere in the bounded interval from [0 .. 12,869].

      [Hint: Charleston, WV only has 12,869 citizens-- in other words, it's completely irrelevant]

    9. Re:The $25,000 question by ares284 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do. Charleston. I happen to live there, you insensitive clod! :-P

      And my old man happens to work at the Capitol building as well. And yeah, from what I hear, everyone involved was definitely axed.

      -Ares

    10. Re:The $25,000 question by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      I'm also from near Charleston, you insensitive... oh, never mind.

      Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised to see that most posters around here are staying on-topic instead of making bad jokes about West Virginia. Yes, they've got their problems, not the least of which are a lack of good tech-related jobs and a rapidly graying population, but they really are good people who don't deserve the abuse that the pop culture wizards at Abercrombie try to pile on to them.

    11. Re:The $25,000 question by lgw · · Score: 1

      Of course, no one who's lived in Morganhole would mistake it for the capitol of anything.

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    12. Re:The $25,000 question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly I am suprised there's this many replying slashdoters from WV here. But then again not so, considering where you can get DSL in this state, a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to technology in this state. This coming from someone who came from way out of state 2 years ago.

    13. Re:The $25,000 question by liamoohay · · Score: 1
      That doesn't mean anything. I know Marylanders that think their state capital is Baltimore, and Pennsylvanians disagree over whether theirs is Philadelphia or Pittsburg.

      And I know many slashdotters who don't know the correct spelling of Pittsburgh.

      So which one is it, Philadelphia or Pittsburgh? [/kidding]
  41. Best use of government funds by bobcat7677 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I have heard in a long time!

  42. Misleading headlines... by happyfish · · Score: 5, Informative

    The real issue here is not that someone had 14GB of mp3s or 40 movies; that simply makes for a better headline. The real issue is that someone in the capital was abusing the purchasing system and bilking the state for all they could. Buying barebones PCs on one purchase and then purchasing the remaining components on a separate order is a big no-no. It means that the PCs appear to be far less expensive, and exempts them from inventory control systems. The purchases basically fly under the radar, and the goods could be anywhere now; some other office, somebody's house, or sold on eBay.

    1. Re:Misleading headlines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means that the computers fall under the capital outlay line item, and the components fall under the 'software' line item.

    2. Re:Misleading headlines... by raddan · · Score: 1
      Sometimes there are good reasons to circumvent state purchasing requirements. I used to work with an FM broadcast engineer who had specific requirements for most of his gear. Now, this particular state institution had a rule: you can only buy from vendors with a contract. Those two vendors were Dell and Apple. Not only did Apple and Dell sell machines that were not suited for his purposes, they were overpriced, as the state-negotiated contract ADDED 15% to the cost of the machine.

      So we used to buy 'parts for maintenance' and build the machines ourselves. Sure, our machines weren't in inventory, but we all know how well that works... the time the auditors came around when I was there, we got in trouble because our Macintosh SE was missing. This was in, like, 1998. WTF?

  43. I seriously doubt it by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Currently, the government is in the *AA's back pocket. Why sue an ally?

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    1. Re:I seriously doubt it by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Carrot and the Stick.

      RIAA: "See the nice juicy carrot, you know you want the carrot"
      Congress: "Mmmmmm, carrot"
      RIAA: "Now we want you to pass a law making it legal for our representatives to hunt iPod users, because piracy supports terrorism, and all iPod users are pirates."
      Congress: "Welll, I don't know...there are a lot of iPods out there..."
      RIAA: "This is a stick. This is what you get when you don't get the carrot. Wouldn't you rather have the carrot?"
      Congress: "Well, yea, but we can't just..."
      RIAA: "BAD CONGRESS! *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* BAD LEGISLATORS MAKE THE BABY JESUS CRY! *WHACK* *WHACK*"
      Congress: "Owwwww...okay, okay"

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    2. Re:I seriously doubt it by tacolicker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      you're a douche.

    3. Re:I seriously doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be careful about telling people they're stupid seeing as you're starting with a score of zero

    4. Re:I seriously doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROTFLMAO
      That needs to get sent to all 535.

    5. Re:I seriously doubt it by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for sharing. Your opinion matters...Just not to me.

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    6. Re:I seriously doubt it by tacolicker · · Score: 0

      douche nigger.

  44. Repeat offense by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    This might be the same place that was caught in a cable theft scandal recently - a bunch of tv's hooked up to one service account. Anyway - it must come with the territory - about an hour south of the WV Capital is this guy.

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  45. A different view of the incident: by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't government start getting the message soon what it's people REALLY think about this whole "piracy" issue? We are too complacent anymore! We had better wake up collectively and become more pro-active or it will be 1984 sooner than you think!

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    1. Re:A different view of the incident: by Shakes268 · · Score: 1

      You work for the ACLU, right?

    2. Re:A different view of the incident: by rts008 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't work for or pay attention to any college sports.

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    3. Re:A different view of the incident: by Shakes268 · · Score: 1

      ACLU (American Civil Liberities Union)

    4. Re:A different view of the incident: by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Okay, so it wasn' that good of a joke. I know what the ACLU is, and no, I do not work for them.

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  46. Go for a drive sometime. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a tower with dvd decryptor and a couple hundred gigs of avis and mp3's is now a vast piracy setup. that's funny.

    You've never actually been on a drive through West Virginia, have you? Mind you, it's beautiful (the part that isn't up on blocks). For a state that's got a lot of territory just a short drive from the nation's capital, it's a funny mix of demographics. But yes, a rig set up (however modestly) to crank out physical copies of pirated media probably is a big deal to a lot of the locals.

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    1. Re:Go for a drive sometime. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded as interesting and informative? Could you not go to ANY state where a large portion of the population would be "impressed" with such a system?

    2. Re:Go for a drive sometime. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded as interesting and informative? Could you not go to ANY state where a large portion of the population would be "impressed" with such a system?

      You're right. I have no idea why my comment got modded up... other than that it sheds some light on how sheltered (from averageness) most slashdot users are. A lot.

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    3. Re:Go for a drive sometime. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I live about 20 min from the capitol (and I work another 30 on the other side of it, over in Putnam county, but only barely). It's really pretty countryside, and we have our backwards parts, but we're not nearly as far into ignorant redneck as people make us out to be. Hell, the roadkill law people like making fun of so often actually makes sense when you consider local wildlife (it's explicitly legal to take home an animal you hit with a vehicle if you would so choose; you all have no idea how much damage is done yearly to vehicles around here by things like deer and other animals people would generally consider edible).

  47. OT: Sig reply by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2, Funny

    If big boobed women work at Hooters do one legged women work at IHOP?

    There is an IHOP in Gastonia, NC that is located on Cox Road. Urban legend has is that they used to answer the phone "IHOP on Cox". Say it out loud for the full effect.

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  48. "Piracy" by Bobke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    /. should know better than to use the word "piracy". It is a demonisation term.

  49. Count again. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    I'll bet a couple of nerds in WV are shitting themselves right now.

    Think you mean "both of the nerds in WV." Sometimes there are three, though (for less than an hour), depending on if I'm driving through on my way from the skinny part of Maryland south on 81.

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  50. A good use of funds by stavromueller · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now that's what I want my tax dollars to pay for! I'm serious!! Really!!!

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  51. Technology? by jmetcalf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    When did West Virginia get computers?

  52. Finally! by The_DoubleU · · Score: 1

    It is good to see that all that bribe money of RIAA/MPAA is put to good use.

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  53. Help!!! by IAAP · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm a geek with an MBA! What the Fuck do I do! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    1. Re:Help!!! by Kylere · · Score: 1

      You should be bloody well ashamed, heh, but seriously, that is not the problem. The problem is that most of the MBA grads (of any speciality) are technically on the same level as a 6 day "boot camp" MCSE.

  54. The Other $25,000 question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many slashdotters other than me are actually from West Virginia? (Notice that I have to post as AC in order to hide from the WV jokes.)

  55. My will is too weak to avoid the obvious joke... by Nephilium · · Score: 2, Funny

    The capital of West Virigina? Probably about $25...

    Nephilium

  56. It still is! by slackomatic · · Score: 1

    According to the Smoking Gun, bootlegging is still a problem, though it's more of a Virginia thing.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1007052still1 .html

  57. pot - kettle [black] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This suffice it to say reinforces the image of public sector workers abusing their state privaliges.

    This coming from someone who is likely "abusing" their internet privilges during work hours ;)

    Many, many moons ago when the commercial side of the internet was still in it's infancy we managed to convince our company that we needed to get "one of them thar internet things" and get us wired up. It was pretty awesome at the time (full T1 back then, woot!) and our main tools were usenet and gopher (aahh, brings back memories). Anyway, one of the IT guys ended up running a rather large warez and pron site on our server (large Unix based (AIX IIRC)). You might be pissed because they're spending "your" money, but the fact is that in the end it happens everywhere (public and private) and we all end up paying for it (decreased productivity == increased prices, etc).

  58. Ask Slashdot by mjpaci · · Score: 5, Funny

    {jesting}"I have access to almost unlimited funds through a closed-source purchasing system. I have identified a number of holes in the system that would allow me to syphon off funds to purchase a "pirate studio" and install it in the basement of the capitol building. Since I'd rather not pay the Microsoft tax, could you recommend a "free" (as in beer) solution for my embezzlement?"

  59. ARRRRR!!!! by ENOENT · · Score: 1

    Shiver me timbers!!! They've caught Peg-Leg Pete, the most famous pirate on the Appalacian Main!!!

    Blow the man down!

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  60. Reminds me of a call to Infocus by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a government employee. (work at a small college). Had a broken Digital Projector. Called them up, described the problem, was told that $PART was broken, and it would be $2400 to fix. I kind of went silent for a few minutes, and pointed out that their new projectors of the same Lumens cost $1500. Do customers really do this? His response was that sometimes, especially with government accounts, there is no budget for new equipment, but money in the repair budget. I remember saying, "So instead of spending $1500 on a new projector with a warranty, they spend $2400 on repairing a 3 year old projector? Don't you feel good about where your tax dollars are going?" I have seen this far too many times in government. Rules are so strict and rigid (often because of abuses) that it is easier to spend twice as much money than to get approval to move the amount from one budget account to another..

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    1. Re:Reminds me of a call to Infocus by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Could you not treat the projector and the screen (or the bag it was transported in, or some other random object) as a single unit and 'repair' the entire unit by replacing the projector component?

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    2. Re:Reminds me of a call to Infocus by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Take that righteous indignation. Now spread it around about.

      These sorts of beaurocratic shenanigans aren't merely limited to governments. They occur WHEN EVER any organization becomes large enough that a single leader can't just walk around and get a handle on everything.

      Your description of the small college could easily have been the last retailer I worked for.

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    3. Re:Reminds me of a call to Infocus by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      I've seen it too. No way on earth we could get money for a new Contex scanner but they'll spend somewhere in the range of $2000 to fix one that should have been sent to surplus years ago. I've watched people go out of their way to demonstrate that they're saving money by not buying new stuff while at the same time they budget ridiculous amounts of money to keep dinosaur equipment working.

        It makes me sick to watch it happen. My supervisor has me working at a remote location because he doesn't like me. the feeling is mutual which is fine. I can work with people I don't like. It's no big deal. At the same time the servers that are my responsibility remain downtown at our administration building. His answer is do everything remotely and call us when you want something rebooted. I have to go down there once or twice per week for a variety of reasons and I asked him for a laptop. Knowing that ordering a new laptop was out of the question I made a point of asking him for an older, slower machine (That I knew for a fact we had and that nobody was using. I'm talking about something that was soon to be headed to surplus) because all I want to do is have something to plug in and use during the very few hours I was away from my desk. Denied. Couldn't spare it for something like that.

        A short time later I find myself in his office to pick up a laptop for one of our users. New laptop this time. What do I see in the storage cabinet he takes it out of. 3 laptops including the one I asked for collecting dust. That was two months ago and it's still in there.

        The point of all of this is that in my experience local government (I work in county level local government) is full of people pissing away money and wasting the resources they do have. Hoarders and petty little men and women who are concerned mostly with how much authority they have compared to the other department managers are the order of the day. They scheme their way into larger budgets whenever possible but couldn't use them in an effective manner to save their lives. I see good people who work there trying to get their jobs done consistently impeded by these assholes and I hesitantly count myself among them.

        God I hate my fucking job. Sorry about the rant but something about that projector story set me off. Too close to home.

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  61. don't worry, i bet you're alreadygone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you oughta change that script once in awhile

  62. not overspending by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Accurate accounting.

    Equipment includes Shipping, cost of someone to recieves the goods, cost of set up, bandwidth used, etc. . .
    Plus if he got any non-standard equipment.
    So 10Gs is probably a good estimate of real costs.

    Accounts for the government are the most accurate and anal I have ever had the pleasure of working with.

    Much more accurate then any Corp I have worked with.

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    1. Re:not overspending by Bohiti · · Score: 1

      Hint: Refrain from using "anal" and "pleasure" in the same sentence to avoid any confusion of your point.

    2. Re:not overspending by slashname3 · · Score: 1

      How do you count the cost for someone to recieve the goods? Is it prorated on the number of items received over the year or on a per day bases? If on a per day basis does that mean it costs more for some packages than others? Some days 10 packages arrive some days only 1. And is this taken to extreme, how about the janitor that cleans up after the guy that recives the goods? Or the guard at the gate that waved him into the parking lot that morning?

      Whole thing can be taken to a ridiculous extreme, but then maybe that is why a hammer costs $500.00 when the government buys one instead of $5.00 down at the hardware store.

  63. I do! Both my parents came from WV... by alispguru · · Score: 1

    ... and my family tree does too branch, thankyouverymuch.

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  64. Reminds me of IBM by no_pets · · Score: 0

    Once we needed to upgrade an AS/400. Heck, we needed a NEW AS/400 but did not have money in the budget for a new machine although we did have upgrade money in the budget. IBM gave us a proposal to "upgrade" our AS/400. Basically, we would get a new machine but keep the old machine's serial number.

    I cannot remember if the prices were skewed higher or not. I believe we still received discounted pricing. This was a not a government agency though. ;-)

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  65. Buh dum bum by itomato · · Score: 1

    "...makeshift audio-video studio..."

    *kick drum/splash*

  66. Considering their getting the AXE by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

    Should be a good severance pay, everybody knows those are worth 25K.

    1. Re:Considering their getting the AXE by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Should be a good severance pay, everybody knows those are worth 25K.

      Not if your terminated with cause -- in which case you get $0 for severance, and in this case, the state might try to re-coup costs from them.

      This is not a ticket to making even more free money.
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  67. tens of thousands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you spend tens of thousands of dollars you're a pretty crappy pirate. I thought the point of piracy was not spending money.

    Huh? Oh.... they were copying and selling pirated movies. Nevermind.

  68. You seem to have missed something: by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "items discovered in the basement office. Not all the purchased computers and gear can be located, Ferguson said."

    So it could be done with one computer, but this person(s) had more then one system.

    Dollar to donuts they got away with the first purchase...just enough to rationalize as a mistake if they got caught, and then got greedy. Oreder lots of addons and low end PCs. You can get to 88K really fast.

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  69. Legal advice by yEvb0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My boss bought himself a 30-inch monitor (for way more than $466), but he's salaried. Should I tell him to be careful? ;)

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  70. Almost a WHOLE iPod Video!!! by valhallaprime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    40 Movies and 14 Gigs of Mp3s? You would almost need a WHOLE ipod Video just to hold all that stuff! And what IT worker has 14 gigs at his disposal?

    Sheesh, next he'll want more than 640KB of RAM.

    Hundreds of blank DVD's? Oh wow, that's absolutely insane, considering they only sell them in spools of 50-100. I mean, i wouldn't even know where to put 2 or 3 WHOLE spools of DVD'rs, let alone hide them from satellite imagery.

    1. Re:Almost a WHOLE iPod Video!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree with you. 3,500 songs is not that much. I probably had that or more copied to cassettes (90 minute chrome tapes) from LP records back in the days. Considering you could squeeze in 30 songs per tape since on average a song was maximum 2,5-3 minutes long, that only equals to around 115-120 tapes. And no one was complaining *much* about copyright infrigement (oh, sorry, "piracy") back then. But then again, I actually bought a whole lot of LP and EP albums as well.

      Now I buy one or two CD per year if it is proven not to be a Multimedia Disc. I've found alot of excellent free music online and chose to donate to the artists directly instead. Works like a charm.

  71. Arrgghh! Pirates in W.VA? WTF? by rts008 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Being landlocked, I doubt W.VA has a pirate problem to speak of.
    Now, here is some info on REAL pirates and piracy:
    "Modern Pirates Thrive on Global Trade" (http://globalization.about.com/library/weekly/aa0 31203a.htm)
    "Pirate attacks against ships increase, ICC report finds" (http://globalization.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite .htm?site=http://www.iccwbo.org/home/news_archives /2002/stories/piracy%2520report%2520Oct2002.asp)
    and last but not least:
    "Weekly Piracy Report" (http://globalization.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite .htm?site=http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/imb_piracy/wee kly_piracy_report.asp)

    Now, enough FUD about piracy!

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  72. At least one by anomaly · · Score: 1

    I'm originally from Charleston, thank you very much. I was just there over the weekend as a matter of fact.

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  73. At least they get their parts cheap! by popeye44 · · Score: 1

    hehe.. I want to know where to get a 24in widescreen for less than 500.00 wtf am I missing? :D

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    1. Re:At least they get their parts cheap! by suwain_2 · · Score: 1

      Surely not the same place they paid $88,000 for the computer???

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  74. HELLO, Federal Reserve IS a private company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  75. Even if one assumes no corruption... by Corvaith · · Score: 1

    Exactly which of these agencies are you willing to privatize? Do you even realize that privatization means that *you must pay for it*? When the government does it, it's taxed. That means everyone pays a little for each service, whether they use it or not.

    That means toll roads. And pricy, because those interstates aren't going to be getting money from the people who don't like to drive on them anymore. There will be no more children's services because the children don't pay for them, so no complaining when you find out your neighbor's been beating his kids for years and nobody's done anything about it--there's no foster homes to put them in. No more social security programs because no insurance business would be willing to put bets on whether someone's going to live long enough to retire, with our lifespans extending every year. Turn law enforcement over to the private security forms exclusively and crime will skyrocket because the most vulnerable can't pay for safety.

    It's all well and good to go around spouting that privatization is the solution to everything, but it'd be nice if you had some evidence that was the case.

    1. Re:Even if one assumes no corruption... by MajinBlayze · · Score: 1

      Just like we have to pay for tanks produced by government contractors?
      One example of a privatized government office (at least in Missouri) is the local License Bureau. They are required to charge a standard fee per license, among other things, but only pay back out to the government on a semi-annually basis. They send 100% of each charge out to the government.
      the "private" company runs on interest from the money during the time between when they are paid, and they have to pay up.
      There are other ways for the Private government contractors to make money other than the obvious. Private companies do road construction, among other jobs, all the time, and we don't pay out of the pocket for them.

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    2. Re:Even if one assumes no corruption... by Corvaith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the license bureaus are a model of business efficiency? They're not. Government contractors? Known for fleecing the government whenever possible. As long as they're only semi-private and therefore not open-market profit-driven, they're going to be like that. It's the profit drive that makes business efficient and tends to weed out corruption and waste. Not all of it, even then, but yes, it does better than government. It can't do that if there's no money in doing what they're doing.

    3. Re:Even if one assumes no corruption... by bit01 · · Score: 1

      Not all of it, even then, but yes, it does better than government.

      Not when it happens that the profit is maximised by a marketing arms race. Everybody except the marketing industry loses then.

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  76. mixed metaphor much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As we continue to peel back the onion, every time we turn a corner we find something else that doesn't look right," Ferguson said.

    Like an extremely bad metaphor?

    1. Re:mixed metaphor much? by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 1

      Ah, Bush-isms...

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  77. New source government revenue by dlm85 · · Score: 1

    Maybe it a new source of revenue for the state. The states must find new ways make sure no child is left behind. The next time you are at the local flea market and see a table of CDs and DVDs, buy one and help a child out.

  78. WV government now has a huge taint. by kutuz_off · · Score: 1

    Was waiting to use that for ...uh, a few hours now.

  79. overreacting by jcgeuze · · Score: 0

    Spending 20.000+ usd worth of equipment to copy some movies and mp3's??? The guy must have been a complete moron, you can do that with a 1000 dollar machine without problems.

  80. well it is west virginia by roguenine2000 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    lets see they found the pirate set up...what about the moonshine and incest setups down the hall?

  81. well duh by jaimz22 · · Score: 1

    when you buy stuff like that from company funds your soposed to sneak it out and take it home... dummies.

  82. Only 40 movies!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *******:~> cd media/video/movies/
    *******:~/media/video/movies> du -csh
    52G .
    52G total
    *******:~/media/video/movies> cd ../../audio
    *******:~/media/audio> du -csh
    6.9G .
    6.9G total

    Does this mean I am bad?

  83. Not the only government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know for a fact that the Kansas Highway Patrol office in Butler County uses the AV equipment to copy movies. Does anybody care? No.

  84. This really is news by spidergoat2 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I didn't even know they had computers in West virginia, much less know how to use them.......

  85. More Importantly... by anti-human+1 · · Score: 1

    The RIAA only goes after individuals who they can steamroll into paying settlements. I think that if they tried to sue a state government, they might come up against a real barrier, and thus legal precedent.

    A state gov't is a big leap from a single mom or a grandmother...

  86. Re:My will is too weak to avoid the obvious joke.. by RY · · Score: 1

    $10 Now that there movie distribution business is shut down.

  87. No Time Fraud! by Teun · · Score: 1
    Gary McClanahan and Gary Bryant, after they claimed they had worked 18-hour days 119 times over the course of 2 1/2 years.

    That's the time part. Ferguson said a $466, 24-inch flat-screen computer monitor was found in Bryant's office

    This prooves there's no fraud, working on such acreage takes above average time!

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  88. Re:The wrong question by Ranger · · Score: 1
    How many Slashdotters actually know what the capital of West Virginia is without having to look it up?

    I think we should be asking:

    1. West Virginia is a state?
    2. They know what computers are?
    3. Can they marry their cousins?
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  89. Easy way to tell there is fraud in West Virgina by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 1

    ...they're ordering computers.

  90. Re:Fired for time Fraud? by akpoff · · Score: 1
    As all the self-appointed grammar Nazis are out flogging other posters, may I point out that by capitalizing "Mean" you're confusing your reading audience? As an adjective, "mean" modifies Bush as in:
    Will that dull, humble, poor, shabby, of-inferior-quality, penurious, stingy or base Bush get fired for wasting our time for 6 years?
    As a verb "mean" is part of the action of the sentence:
    Does that signify, convey, show, or indicate Bush will get fired for wasting our time for 6 years?
    See how much clearer each of the above sentences are? The low moderation score of your post may be the result of some moderator's inability to grasp your point, all because of the ambiguity inherent in your casual use of capitalization. Don't miss an opportunity to inform or delight your audience because of sloppy writing! Two out of three slashdotters* agree, meticulous attention paid to grammar, spelling and capitalization are the key to a successful slashdot-posting career.

    ;-)

    *Never use facts pulled out of thin air.

  91. Crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Are all of the IT entitlements going away?

  92. Obligatory... by jheath314 · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our dvd-pirating masters:

    1) Tax payer dollars
    2) Government-run piracy lab
    3) ???
    4) Profit!

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  93. Small operation by fatboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Specifically, one hard drive contained approximately 40 full-length motion videos," state Chief Technology Officer Kyle Schafer said in the Jan. 5 memo to Administration Secretary Robert Ferguson. "Two other hard drives contained over 3,500 MP3 music files consuming more than 14 [gigabytes] of hard drive space."

    That sounds more like my iPod than a big time piracy operation.

    Still, I hope they fire them all.

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  94. In Soviet Russia ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Capitol pirates YOU!

  95. Re:The wrong question by greenegg77 · · Score: 1

    3. Can they marry their cousins?

    I assume you want to move there so your marriage will be legal?

    bum-ba-bum-ba-da-bum!

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  96. Full Motion Video by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

    Remember "Full Motion Video" in the 90s being a buzzword? Maybe that's what they were pirating, thousands of copies of TIE Fighter.

  97. They just did inventory... by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

    They just did inventory at my friend's job, and every computer is listed as $750, while every screen is $250. This is regardless of the age or condition of the item. Maybe that is partially why the dollar ammount is so high.

  98. $88,000 in 3 years? That's less than 1.7 cents by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    Per Person in W.V. per one year in tax.

    I'm more worry about US Gov't pumping 70+ billion into God knows where the fuck they are spending on. Fire those bastards who keep delaying body armor for our troops in Iraq and trailers for huriane Katrina victims.

    Oh yeah, I'm glad the asshole in W.V. staff with 24" flat screen is fired. That's totally absurd spending when we all know, no Gov't employee need 24" screen to work in a fucking terminal all day.

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  99. Don't forget about the CWRU President's zombie box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple years ago one of the tech support for CWRU noticed that President Hundert's new computer's hard drive was nearly full. It turned out that he had unknowingly turned his computer into a host for XBox images.

  100. ... purchasing abuse .... by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 1

    Looks like some employees are getting the axe for everything from purchasing abuse to time fraud.

    Hi, I'd like to buy an argument please.

  101. Insults by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do so many of you feel the need to insult West Virginia? The majority of you have never even been here. You know nothing about us.

    1. Re:Insults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing something, Mr Backwoods. We hate everybody.

  102. Re:$88,000 in 3 years? That's less than 1.7 cents by Detritus · · Score: 1

    I'd fire your ass for making important personnel decisions based on your personal prejudices without bothering to get all the facts.

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  103. Re:$88,000 in 3 years? That's less than 1.7 cents by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    I actually know programmers who benefit from having numerous screen windows open, and help desk workers who may have dozens open if they have the screen real estate. A 24" screen is not unreasonable for that sort of work. And the less than $500 price tag is not surprising for a big customer's discounts, such as a state agency, or for a refurbished monitor.

    $500 is often a threshold price for purchase orders: more than that makes people think harder, or have to get the purchase approved, so I'm not surprised if one company makes screens like that. Pricewatch shows several vendors with 24" screens that might fit that description.

  104. I suspect others knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect that other people in the office knew exactly what was going on with those computers. I bet it would be safe to say that many of the people in or near that office acquired many copies of music and movies from the computers in question. Many people still think that making copies is okay as long as you don't sell it.

  105. Cap company size by typical · · Score: 1

    Having worked in corporate America for many years, let me assure you that such spending abuses are quite common there, too.

    Cap company employee count.

    10 kiloperson companies are asking for trouble.

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  106. Re:The 2 bit reply by vettemph · · Score: 1

    >>> There are two capitals in West Virginia: "W" and "V".

    ah yes, capitols.

    I helped My Uncle Jack off a horse.
    I helped My Uncle jack off a horse.

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  107. government onions by FlippyTheSkillsaw · · Score: 1

    They are thrifty for government work, too--about $1.4 million per pound.

  108. Say what you like, but the broadband is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state may not have much else, but they do have lots of wireless broadband. I've backpacked through the state and it's incredible to be in the middle of nowhere and pull out a PDA or laptop and sit on a rock on a mountaintop and link in to the megabits from the town's public broadband system. National Public Radio did a story about it around Christmas, several months after I had been there.

  109. I heard the All Things Considered story too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard the story and even called that group to find out more technical information about their setup. Impressive stuff indeed. West Virginia Broadband is the organization that developed the wireless network in WV. I even called the Zenon Pawlowski guy interviewed by Melissa Block in the story. He sells very efficient wood boilers imported from europe, so I was very surprised to find such sophisticated technology and smart people in West Virginia. I can't even get broadband and I live 5 minutes away from South Bend, Indiana.

    1. Re:I heard the All Things Considered story too. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      There are a dozen apartment complexes / co-op's / condos gatherings within 5 miles of where I sit here in Mishawaka (ten mins. from So-Be), yet SBC can't seem to provide me with DSL. This area has to have the highest population density around, but it's either 50 bucks a month to comcast or crappy dial-up.

      Funny thing is, there are hundreds of Dishes up around here, so I'm not the only one who hates comcast.

      DAMMIT MA BELL, GET OFF YER ASSES AND GIVE ME A CHANCE TO GIVE MONEY TO YOUR MONOPOLY INSTEAD OF THE OTHER GUY'S EQUALLY OPPRESSIVE MONOPOLY!!!!!

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  110. Re:Fired for time Fraud? by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

    Perchance was that the reason that I was modded down ? Perhaps it could say 'that mean Mean Bush'???\\

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  111. No WV jokes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What blows my mind is that I can't find a single WV joke in your replies.

    They should let the guys off with no charges since they actually figured out how to use computers in WV. They took time away from inbreeding ;)

  112. Re:$88,000 in 3 years? That's less than 1.7 cents by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    http://67.39.100.122/alerts_nycu/weekly_updates/12 1605/Weekly%20Subscription.htm#%22Harvard%20Spent% 20$3.52%20Million%20on%20Lobbying%20Since%201998%2 2

    "Asbestos Contracts Rigged?"

    West Virginia - Charleston Gazette - Published on: 12/12/2005

    Issued: December 16, 2005

    Employees at the West Virginia Division of General Services might have rigged bids to benefit two asbestos-removal companies, including one owned by former Division of Motor Vehicles Commissioner Roger Pritt, according to a legislative audit. General Services personnel split large jobs into several small contracts, apparently to evade competitive-bidding procedures, said auditors. This year, 27 of 32 asbestos-removal contracts went to Pritt's company, Astar Abatement.

    West Virginia Secretary of Administration Robert Ferguson said he discovered the questionable contracts earlier this year and asked the legislative auditor's office to investigate. Ferguson said he discovered other problems, such as rampant abuse of overtime. One state employee received up to 10 hours of overtime a day to oversee asbestos work, said Ferguson. "... I don't think it's humanly possible to work 18 hours a day for years at a time," said Ferguson. He said he could not be sure the asbestos actually was removed, as promised.

    Pritt is the brother of Charlotte Pritt, a former state senator who defeated Gov. Joe Manchin in the 1996 Democratic gubernatorial primary and then lost the general election to former Gov. Cecil Underwood. Between 2001 and 2003, Roger Pritt served as commissioner of motor vehicles under Gov. Bob Wise. He quit to mount an unsuccessful campaign to become secretary of state. Since 1995, Astar Abatement has received more than $1.5 million from different state agencies, colleges, and universities. More than $1.3 million was paid after Wise took office in 2001, according to the state auditor's Web site.

    Roger Pritt's Division of Motor Vehicles had its headquarters in Building 3, which the audit focused on as an example of the alleged waste and bid rigging. In Building 3, what should have been one asbestos-removal project was split into nine separate contracts, the audit says, one for each heating and air-conditioning unit in the basement. The units were only a few feet from one another. Each contract was worth slightly less than $10,000, the limit that would have triggered statewide competitive bidding. Instead, the agency's health and safety manager, Gary Bryant, asked for bids from three companies, as is allowed for smaller contracts. Astar Abatement won all nine of the Building 3 contracts, worth more than $79,000.

    In the past two years, Astar Abatement received 30 of 55 asbestos contracts from General Services. Master Mechanical Insulation received all but two of the rest of the contracts. According to the audit, General Services personnel split large contracts into smaller ones to avoid purchasing rules on several occasions, not just in the Building 3 contract. Bryant's supervisor, Acting General Services Director Jim Burgess, told auditors he questioned the Building 3 contracts, but deferred to Bryant. Burgess approved at least one contract where Astar was not the lowest bidder, according to the audit.

    General Services staff members granted numerous "supplemental contracts" to companies, adding extra cost onto their work after the bid was awarded. For example, Astar Abatement received about $8,000 in supplemental contracts for its work in Building 3. In addition, the audit suggests some bids might have been rigged. Nineteen of the asbestos contracts were awarded for slightly less than $10,000. In 10 of those cases, one company bid just under $10,000, while the other two bid between $2,000 and $6,500 more. Neither the auditors nor Ferguson would say why General Serv

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  113. Re:$88,000 in 3 years? That's less than 1.7 cents by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    OK, the job title he had was "Health and Safety manager." for the General Service division. 24" is a lot of realestate even for his job. Either he sucked some good dick to rationalize 24" monitor to his supervisor or 17" CRT/LCD monitor costing tax payer fraction of that 24" monitor probably wasn't "good enough" to monitor the Health and Safety of General Service division, so he rigged it along with other jobs he's been rigging.

    The point is, it doesn't matter how "cheap" he got the 24" monitor. The question is why and justifiable reasoning behind authorizing "Health and Safety manager" the 24" monitor. I would care less if he got it for 300 bucks (What a Deal!). His job isn't to stare at monitor all day like developers, operation or system control unit managers and engineers.

    No, Really. C'mon! Are they running a State or Corporate Executives' Club for good old boys?

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  114. +10% bad math? N/T by Bardwick · · Score: 1

    N/T

  115. "captainmode" = "obvious" by cagle_.25 · · Score: 1
    Besides, I moved from West Virginia to South Florida when I was 11. Seventeen years of hearing hillbilly jokes tends to thicken the skin!

    Wow - that's some pretty cool time compression to fit 17 years of jokes into 11!

    Or did you just really *not* want to come out of the womb? ;-)

    Um ... I would guess that he's 28 and has spent the last 17 years of life in Florida hearing jokes about West Virginians. Or did you imagine that in West Virginia, they all sit around telling jokes about themselves?

    "captainmode" = "off"

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  116. Nope by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

    "The movie Deliverance was filmed in Georgia and took place there as well. Get your facts straight."

    Most of it was filmed on the Chattooga (great rafting) which is in NC, SC and Georgia. The guides on the river showed us some of the more prominent spots.

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  117. Terrorism vs. treason vs. piracy by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    What amazes me about all this, is that the white house was found to have at least one treasoner (libby, with more coming) and he quit (with GWB saying that he is innocent until proven guilty, ignoring that he said that he would fire the person), but in WV, ppl are being fired by being connected with piracy (but possibly not directly connected).

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  118. Re:Talking out of your ass FTW by i'm+not+cool · · Score: 1

    I have. It's as redneck as people think it is.... no offense. :|