Do you realize you just more-or-less equated spam-blocking with genocide? Darfur is a horrible outrage & everyone who is turning a blind eye to it is contemptible. Spam-blocking is a good thing. If my inbox starts getting flooded again & my ISP can't stop it & spam-assassin, etc. can't stop it I'll just close the accounts, close my g-mail account, advise my ISP to/dev/null any communications, and open a new e-mail address w/ the ISP that has a nonsense address, so they can communicate with me. Period. Actually, I may do that anyway as while e-mail was fun and useful once upon a time, the majority of it is crap now... filtered or not. A pox on spammers for sure & maybe e-mail, too.
There are certainly lots of honest lawyers with no interest in any of this. And, no I don't jolly myself along about lawyers' interests. The truth is, when you need a lawyer, you need a lawyer. I have needed a lawyer myself: e.g. two failed marriages. Point me to a VC-lawyer web site with better coverage of the SCO farce & I'll tell you what I think--if you give a sh*t. Meanwhile, Groklaw has put up a link to Goldfarb's deposition here although there is not yet as link to the pdf version. Interesting, particularly Godfarb's assertion that Boies assured him that IBM would settle quickly. If I recall correctly, Boies was at one time going to accept a big pile of SCO stock in lieu of, or in addition to his fee. Oops.
Finally, the remark about penecillin, was a cheap shot that I shouldn't have taken. I owe the original poster an apology, you, if that was you. Post in [angry] haste, repent at leisure. I hate having to apologize, but what is right is right.
I am not a lawyer, and if I were involved in a fender-bender, the last lawyer I'd want is some shyster from a VC firm. I'd want a lawyer with integrity, instead, Mr. Astroturf, P.A. If you went to Groklaw to RTFA, you would have found a link to IBM's memo in pdf format, not "just" a paralegal's (or "just" anyone else's interpretations), Mr Anonymous Arrogant Shyster. Some of those who post on Groklaw are lawyers, only honest ones.
If you went, and didn't see the link to the pdf of IBM's memo, you are incompetent. If you went and found it and checked it out, then you are mis-representing IBM's memo as Pamela Jones' interpretation of the case, which is false (who wants a liar for a lawyer? VCs, I guess.) If you didn't go to check, then you are not only arrogant, but grossly negligent and your VC clients deserve you. So are you (a) incompetent, (b) dishonest, or (c) negligent? Please go volunteer your services to MS and SCO or maybe get into patent law.
anyone seeking to block Vista shipping may have to put up an eleventy billion dollar bond
Get real. This isn't something started by J.Q. Shark P.A., as a nuisance lawsuit. This is the EU. They make their own laws and havethe right to enforce them. In theory thay could require MS to post an 11-trillion euro bond before selling Vista. That said, why am I posting here? I care diddly-squat about MS's next pseudo-O/S. May the Edsel be with it....
Didn't happen for me & I bought about 30 days or less before XP launch. Ultimately I bought my own upgrade. As it happens XP didn't work on it. Period. The happy ending is that the XP debacle drove me to Linux & FreeBSD. But that's another story....
You are going to need it. MS does not enter any market with the intention of doing anything but exterminating the opposition & putting them out of business. Period. Once Symantec and McAfee are toast, the rest will be a mop-up operation, who can be crushed out of business by lowering the price on MS's product(s) until they have to fold. Just like they did to Netscape.
After the competition has been sent to the unemployment line (with maybe a token/pet exception or two so it can claim that there really is competition), MS can forget about improving their product(s) and do what they do best: raise prices a few hundred percent. There won't be anything you slaves can do about it, either.
Even the MS anti-virus programs like OneCare and Defender have to go through the EXACT same APIs that McAfee and Symantec are being forced to use.
Sounds good, but assumes that MS will be honest about fully informing the competition about the relevant APIs. Part of Novell's suit vs MS alleges that MS deliberately provided WordPerfect developers (and other 3rd parties) with misinformation about Win95 APIs, so that it was 6 months to a year before anyone had a decent Office Suite product, leaving MS Office with an empty field to romp in, helped by secret anti-competitive agreements with PC makers that forbade the latter from loading competing office suites, etc. I always thought it was ridiculous for a word processor to cause a crash just because the backspace key was pressed. Never happened in WP6.x for DOS, but regularly with WP7 for Win32 (and some with WP9). More on the Novell vs. MS lawsuit here (look on the left sidebar at MS Litigation).
If MS was simply ONLY letting Defender and OneCare have access to the Virus and Spyware scanning in Vista
Is there any independent verification that MS's security competition have access to the full, current API? Will they in the future? Who watches the watchers?
You work for a law firm--an "intellectual law" firm--writing patents.
So basically you are a flunky who makes a living from the patent industry. That explains your hysteria: terror. Wouldn't it be horrible if we were free to think? Don't think about it before asking your masters at the law firm.
Interestingly, further google-work led me to this page, an arson case grief provied the site by the ATF. A Francisco Rangel was involved in some business involving computer theft ($1.5 million) and arson ($4.5 million) in the vicinity of Carrollton, Texas [Area code 202, back in 1995 and is still wanted on various Federal and State charges related to that stuff
You are dead right. It's less of a case of abuse at this moment, but the potential for future abuse that is scary. It is also virtually certain that the potential will be exploited--sooner or later. The next step could be as simple as tracking everything and using that to determine what our political leanings are. "Looks like Mr. Soandso is a (left-, right-) wing nut who may vote against us. Send some boys over to "persuade" him to stay home on election day."... or religious leanings (atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc.)... same thing: "Subject may harbor anti-MyReligion beliefs, get some persuaders over to soften him/her up." This has limitless potential as an adjunct tool of opression. Or even "Subject has what we have said is an unhealthy diet (or a diet we don't like): refuse medical treatment or charge triple, or triple the waiting period before treatments."
My, my... How sensitive and easily hurt your feelings are, Mr Logic.
Tell us Mr. Logic, what form of argument this is:
"surrounded by morons who use terminology they don't really understand and are afflicted by a lack of basic comprehension"?
Is that an argument or were you just whining? How about
retarded at best,
Ad hominem and all that.
What's the difference between his alleged tone which you describe as
that annoying "let me tell you how it is" tone
and yours? You know the one that was just begging for correction. Come now, dazzle us with some more of the cold brilliance of your perfect logic.
One more thing... if you want to swim with sharks to prove your notions, we have plenty here in Florida. If you really want to impress us, try it with a raw T-bone hung around your logical neck.
$100,00 is peanuts to the CEO of a major corporation. Make it $10,000,000 or $100,000,000 & they will take it. At worst they will get a $1,000,000 fine and a year or two in the kind of Federal Prison that crooked politicians end up at: more like a country club than a prison. I did some consulting work at a "prison" like that, it was more like an all expenses paid vacation spot than a jail. Not a fancy resort, mind you, but they were not even locked up.
It's not a political end to aid another SENTIENT life form who is being tortured. It's a moral end.
And you would call the attempted murder of the researcher's neighbor, who was marked for murder just because she was his neighbor a moral act??! Bullcrap. It was attempted murder, and first-degree, i.e. premeditated, murder at that. The cops should be hunting these scumbags down and the prosecutors should get them put away for a lonng time in maximum security lockups, with the crack dealers, rapists, and... their fellow murderers.
I guess you missed the pictures of the 9-11 murderers, who were pale enough to join the KKK--with whom they had a lot in common, BTW. To say nothing of the IRA.
Despite your "shimmering brilliance" if I am at the beach and hear someone holler "Sharks!" and see triangular dorsal fins headed my way, I'm getting out of the water. Now, the people doing the warning could be wrong. Perhaps the sharks just want to frolic like dolphins. Your logical acumen notwithstanding, I'm getting out of the water... real fast. Feel free to heed your own analysis and stay in, though.
You are right, they won't care. Was not Caligula psychotic? And what exactly happened to him? Killed by his own Praetorian Guards, if I remember correctly.
Most of us don't do fear or hate very well. We want it to be over. If all else fails, the "Praetorian solution" becomes irresistable: better to be dead than live in fear. "For it is better to die... and so be released from grief and fear, than to live abandoned to disturbance...." Epictetus (circa 55-135 C.E.) The Manual 12. or "Anytus and Melitos can kill me, but they cannot harm me." attributed to Socrates. Or as Shakespeare's Caesar put it, "Cowards die a thousand deaths. The valiant taste of death but once." Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, and Aurelian are a little more to my taste in Roman Emperors, anyway.
"Aren't SonyBMG/TimeWarner/EMI a bunch of soulless monsters?", but plenty saying "Aren't the RIAA a bunch of soulless monsters?".
Are they not one and the same? Perhaps not legally, but in the court of public opinion? Actually, I'm not so sure they are not legally the same. If I hire you to kill someone, and you as my agent do it, you are guilty of murder. However, so am I under our laws. On the other hand, I'm not a wealthy multi-national company, and can't afford to buy new laws.
If you make me fear you, I will soon hate you. You have become a problem & my first reactions are to avoid you or to destroy you. That's my experience. If more people start to avoid their products (since destroying them is not, unfortunately, a realistict option) then the RIAA & MPAA need only to go to the nearest mirror to find out who is responsible.
I just think it shifts the focus away from the merits of Free Software, and towards
Towards the MSs, Oracles, etc. Part of what got me interested in linux & FreeBSD was the sneering condescencion of MSs sock-puppets like ZD & CNET. They seemed to suggest that their readership was simply too stupid to use any form of unix. Eventually, I stumbled across a copy of Mandrake 8.2 (at Wal-Mart!) which showed me that I had been lied to. And that's why I no longer have bookmarks for ZD or CNET.
I like the remark attributed to Linus Torvald, to the effect that if MS was destroyed by Linux, it would be collateral damage, not a goal. Works for me, as I really don't care what happens to MS, as long as I don't have to use their stuff.
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Do you realize you just more-or-less equated spam-blocking with genocide? Darfur is a horrible outrage & everyone who is turning a blind eye to it is contemptible. Spam-blocking is a good thing. If my inbox starts getting flooded again & my ISP can't stop it & spam-assassin, etc. can't stop it I'll just close the accounts, close my g-mail account, advise my ISP to /dev/null any communications, and open a new e-mail address w/ the ISP that has a nonsense address, so they can communicate with me. Period. Actually, I may do that anyway as while e-mail was fun and useful once upon a time, the majority of it is crap now ... filtered or not. A pox on spammers for sure & maybe e-mail, too.
There are certainly lots of honest lawyers with no interest in any of this. And, no I don't jolly myself along about lawyers' interests. The truth is, when you need a lawyer, you need a lawyer. I have needed a lawyer myself: e.g. two failed marriages. Point me to a VC-lawyer web site with better coverage of the SCO farce & I'll tell you what I think--if you give a sh*t. Meanwhile, Groklaw has put up a link to Goldfarb's deposition here although there is not yet as link to the pdf version. Interesting, particularly Godfarb's assertion that Boies assured him that IBM would settle quickly. If I recall correctly, Boies was at one time going to accept a big pile of SCO stock in lieu of, or in addition to his fee. Oops.
Finally, the remark about penecillin, was a cheap shot that I shouldn't have taken. I owe the original poster an apology, you, if that was you. Post in [angry] haste, repent at leisure. I hate having to apologize, but what is right is right.
Thanks for the info. I wonder why your reply was not modded up as informative, as it certainly is.
I am not a lawyer, and if I were involved in a fender-bender, the last lawyer I'd want is some shyster from a VC firm. I'd want a lawyer with integrity, instead, Mr. Astroturf, P.A. If you went to Groklaw to RTFA, you would have found a link to IBM's memo in pdf format, not "just" a paralegal's (or "just" anyone else's interpretations), Mr Anonymous Arrogant Shyster. Some of those who post on Groklaw are lawyers, only honest ones.
If you went, and didn't see the link to the pdf of IBM's memo, you are incompetent. If you went and found it and checked it out, then you are mis-representing IBM's memo as Pamela Jones' interpretation of the case, which is false (who wants a liar for a lawyer? VCs, I guess.) If you didn't go to check, then you are not only arrogant, but grossly negligent and your VC clients deserve you. So are you (a) incompetent, (b) dishonest, or (c) negligent? Please go volunteer your services to MS and SCO or maybe get into patent law.
By the way, isn't VC treatable with penicillin?
Get real. This isn't something started by J.Q. Shark P.A., as a nuisance lawsuit. This is the EU. They make their own laws and havethe right to enforce them. In theory thay could require MS to post an 11-trillion euro bond before selling Vista. That said, why am I posting here? I care diddly-squat about MS's next pseudo-O/S. May the Edsel be with it....
Didn't happen for me & I bought about 30 days or less before XP launch. Ultimately I bought my own upgrade. As it happens XP didn't work on it. Period. The happy ending is that the XP debacle drove me to Linux & FreeBSD. But that's another story....
You are going to need it. MS does not enter any market with the intention of doing anything but exterminating the opposition & putting them out of business. Period. Once Symantec and McAfee are toast, the rest will be a mop-up operation, who can be crushed out of business by lowering the price on MS's product(s) until they have to fold. Just like they did to Netscape.
After the competition has been sent to the unemployment line (with maybe a token/pet exception or two so it can claim that there really is competition), MS can forget about improving their product(s) and do what they do best: raise prices a few hundred percent. There won't be anything you slaves can do about it, either.
the politicians & crack-whores... uh ... did I just repeat myself?
Actaually, your arguments in this thread--taken at face value--make a powerful case to outlaw all patents. Thanks.
You work for a law firm--an "intellectual law" firm--writing patents.
So basically you are a flunky who makes a living from the patent industry. That explains your hysteria: terror. Wouldn't it be horrible if we were free to think? Don't think about it before asking your masters at the law firm.
Interestingly, further google-work led me to this page, an arson case grief provied the site by the ATF. A Francisco Rangel was involved in some business involving computer theft ($1.5 million) and arson ($4.5 million) in the vicinity of Carrollton, Texas [Area code 202, back in 1995 and is still wanted on various Federal and State charges related to that stuff
I'd mod you up for informative, if I had points!
You are dead right. It's less of a case of abuse at this moment, but the potential for future abuse that is scary. It is also virtually certain that the potential will be exploited--sooner or later. The next step could be as simple as tracking everything and using that to determine what our political leanings are. "Looks like Mr. Soandso is a (left-, right-) wing nut who may vote against us. Send some boys over to "persuade" him to stay home on election day." ... or religious leanings (atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Muslim etc.) ... same thing: "Subject may harbor anti-MyReligion beliefs, get some persuaders over to soften him/her up." This has limitless potential as an adjunct tool of opression. Or even "Subject has what we have said is an unhealthy diet (or a diet we don't like): refuse medical treatment or charge triple, or triple the waiting period before treatments."
May be unlikely now, but the potential is there.
Tell us Mr. Logic, what form of argument this is: Is that an argument or were you just whining? How about Ad hominem and all that.
What's the difference between his alleged tone which you describe as and yours? You know the one that was just begging for correction. Come now, dazzle us with some more of the cold brilliance of your perfect logic.
One more thing
$100,00 is peanuts to the CEO of a major corporation. Make it $10,000,000 or $100,000,000 & they will take it. At worst they will get a $1,000,000 fine and a year or two in the kind of Federal Prison that crooked politicians end up at: more like a country club than a prison. I did some consulting work at a "prison" like that, it was more like an all expenses paid vacation spot than a jail. Not a fancy resort, mind you, but they were not even locked up.
I guess you missed the pictures of the 9-11 murderers, who were pale enough to join the KKK--with whom they had a lot in common, BTW. To say nothing of the IRA.
Not if you are an fruitcake looking for cheap thrills ... like burning an old woman to death.
Score: -1 pedantic.
... real fast. Feel free to heed your own analysis and stay in, though.
Despite your "shimmering brilliance" if I am at the beach and hear someone holler "Sharks!" and see triangular dorsal fins headed my way, I'm getting out of the water. Now, the people doing the warning could be wrong. Perhaps the sharks just want to frolic like dolphins. Your logical acumen notwithstanding, I'm getting out of the water
Welcome to the court of public opinion.
You are right, they won't care. Was not Caligula psychotic? And what exactly happened to him? Killed by his own Praetorian Guards, if I remember correctly.
... and so be released from grief and fear, than to live abandoned to disturbance...." Epictetus (circa 55-135 C.E.) The Manual 12. or "Anytus and Melitos can kill me, but they cannot harm me." attributed to Socrates. Or as Shakespeare's Caesar put it, "Cowards die a thousand deaths. The valiant taste of death but once." Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, and Aurelian are a little more to my taste in Roman Emperors, anyway.
Most of us don't do fear or hate very well. We want it to be over. If all else fails, the "Praetorian solution" becomes irresistable: better to be dead than live in fear. "For it is better to die
If you make me fear you, I will soon hate you. You have become a problem & my first reactions are to avoid you or to destroy you. That's my experience. If more people start to avoid their products (since destroying them is not, unfortunately, a realistict option) then the RIAA & MPAA need only to go to the nearest mirror to find out who is responsible.
I like the remark attributed to Linus Torvald, to the effect that if MS was destroyed by Linux, it would be collateral damage, not a goal. Works for me, as I really don't care what happens to MS, as long as I don't have to use their stuff.
Thanks for the tip, Darl.