When working on the maths, I'm actually inclined to agree. I've spent enough time programming since an early age that I can think directly in the languages I program in, and 3D constraints that exist elsewhere in the mind do seem to break down. However, when applying the maths to "reality", creating models from the maths to fit "reality" (sucky work for this context, but it's late over here) I think it could still taint. Which is why I believe that we can get the maths right, but the model we use to explain the maths (eg, bending space, "strings" etc) could not be how things really are - they're just ways for out 3D brains to represent the underlying maths that's been achieved.
Well I'm told by sibling posts to yours that it's not actually true, that (in theory at least) the chlorine is no more long before it could have any effect. Personally I'd like to see study results (theory and reality don't always match up like we expect them to), but don't really have time to do a thorough hunt at the moment.
So yeah, treat what I said as unknown certainty, use words like "maybe" and "might" if passing on the information, but if any of it does help you, then I shall be very happy, whatever the underlying chemistry reasons for it are:-)
"I don't think cutting-edge phycisists obsess with 3D space we know and love"
No that's not what I mean, I'm talking about our brains internal functions, such as pattern recognition, are all based around the 3D world. A lot of that rubs off, even when not directly thinking about 3D stuff. We can't help it. It's just the way we process information.
"I strongly suggest you learn about basic chemistry first, Disinfection second and finally Water filtration. And learn from real textbooks, not some nutjob's website"
I try to verify as much of what I repeat as I can, but is impossible to do it sufficiently with everything with the amount of ground work you'd have to cover to verify everything along the base that an assertion is based upon. I just have to hope for friendly people like you to to point out when you believe mistakes are being made, so I know I need to look into something in more detail. Seriously, you're friendly, they must miss you at the filtration plant.
Question is, will we hit any brick walls where we cannot progress any further? As long as we constantly feel like we're getting somewhere, even slowly, there's no reason to give up.
Funny I was explaining to someone over the weekend about the point where physics breaks down into pure maths, where any equation can be the basis for forming its own universe which for all intense and purposes, at that level, exists as much as ours does. This is where the most amazing concepts lie, that put's 'god' out with the trash.
Even the bending of space-time under relativity needn't be "true" - if you assume it's flat, and apply the same maths, everything else just bends around to compensate. It's just a way of visualising things. Unfortunately we have 3D brains, all our thoughts and thought processes are built around that, it's pretty unescapable that that's going to imprint everything we do, including theories we come up with. The creation of higher dimensional pattern recognition machines (AI) could move us forwards.
Other than that, Occam's razor comes into play. The closer our model gets to full accurate predictions of reality (even if it's an incorrect model), the closer the maths behind it will actually be correct. Once done, we can totally escape space, and shift things around purely mathmatically, find bits that cancel each other out, even whole dimensions could be folded together by spotting that both are function of a common variable, etc. The final result is probably gonna be real simple!
...and then, of cause, the whole universe will have to change again, to become more confusing...
But true, flouride, on the toxicity scale, lies between arsenic and lead. It lies in the same periodic group as iodine, which your thyroid gland kinda uses. The thyroid gland is responsible (amongst other things I guess) for regulating metabolism. The disruption that flouride causes slows down the metabolism, causing lethargy/apathy and weight gain. It also disrupts insulin production, and lots of other nasty stuff. Bad. Bad flouride.
"The point is that exactly what the prize was had nothing to do with why the accident occurred"
The competition was created as a play on the name of the prize, that's called "relevance". Two things that aren't relevant are a squirrel and a ladder. See the difference?
The fact is the article, and the title (as is what this thread started about) merely state fact. If you're reading into it in some way that sounds like the console is being blamed, you're misreading it, it was the peoples fault, but the competition WAS a competition for a Wii.
"If I had just read that headline and none of the summary and/or story, I would probably imagine..."
First of all, that's a lot of hypotheticals, secondly... it's the TITLE, the chunk of text underneith it says "there's more to this story", otherwise the title on it's own would have been sufficient. If you want to start drawing conclusions about something without actually reading it, then you're the only person to blame for your own faulty guesses.
January/post-christmas blues? One person gets a bad mod, and so passes on the "favour" to five other people, effect continues... who knows. I have done alright recently though, got lots of 'insightful's for some posts that went very much against the popular opinion here, which is basically unheard of!
They were probably too busy laughing at "wii" hehe "wee" to stop and think.
But yeah I see this all the time, people drinking loads of water but still feeling dehydrated. I get them to neck some salt, and they very quickly start to feel the water having an effect, as they can actually absorb it:-/
The title says "Killed In Wii-Related Competition" - which is 100% correct. She died, in a wii-related competition. What the hell's deceptive about that?
The kidneys perhaps wouldn't have been working at full capacity due to full bladder. There is the body salts issue, and anything in the water (chlorine, floride, etc) that are pretty bad for you to consume. If she wasn't in the best health to begin with, all of these combined could screw things up... as we've seen.
She got it the worst, but other contestants also had problems and took a while to recover.
Here in UK there've been a few "ecstacy deaths", last a few years ago, that turned out not to be the ecstacy as such, but drinking too much water to avoid dehydration and overcompensating. You need to replace your body salts when drinking, or they get flushed out, and organs will fail.
Other risks come from the chlorine put in tap water to stop bacteria from growing - well the bacteria in your guts you kind of need, for digestion etc. Boiling the water first evaporates off the chlorine, otherwise, you're disinfecting yourself everytime you drink it, an accumulative effect.
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When working on the maths, I'm actually inclined to agree. I've spent enough time programming since an early age that I can think directly in the languages I program in, and 3D constraints that exist elsewhere in the mind do seem to break down. However, when applying the maths to "reality", creating models from the maths to fit "reality" (sucky work for this context, but it's late over here) I think it could still taint. Which is why I believe that we can get the maths right, but the model we use to explain the maths (eg, bending space, "strings" etc) could not be how things really are - they're just ways for out 3D brains to represent the underlying maths that's been achieved.
Well I'm told by sibling posts to yours that it's not actually true, that (in theory at least) the chlorine is no more long before it could have any effect. Personally I'd like to see study results (theory and reality don't always match up like we expect them to), but don't really have time to do a thorough hunt at the moment.
:-)
So yeah, treat what I said as unknown certainty, use words like "maybe" and "might" if passing on the information, but if any of it does help you, then I shall be very happy, whatever the underlying chemistry reasons for it are
"I don't think cutting-edge phycisists obsess with 3D space we know and love"
No that's not what I mean, I'm talking about our brains internal functions, such as pattern recognition, are all based around the 3D world. A lot of that rubs off, even when not directly thinking about 3D stuff. We can't help it. It's just the way we process information.
Funny, a proton once told me the same thing. I wasn't sure, but he was positive.
"I strongly suggest you learn about basic chemistry first, Disinfection second and finally Water filtration. And learn from real textbooks, not some nutjob's website"
I try to verify as much of what I repeat as I can, but is impossible to do it sufficiently with everything with the amount of ground work you'd have to cover to verify everything along the base that an assertion is based upon. I just have to hope for friendly people like you to to point out when you believe mistakes are being made, so I know I need to look into something in more detail. Seriously, you're friendly, they must miss you at the filtration plant.
Question is, will we hit any brick walls where we cannot progress any further? As long as we constantly feel like we're getting somewhere, even slowly, there's no reason to give up.
Funny I was explaining to someone over the weekend about the point where physics breaks down into pure maths, where any equation can be the basis for forming its own universe which for all intense and purposes, at that level, exists as much as ours does. This is where the most amazing concepts lie, that put's 'god' out with the trash.
Even the bending of space-time under relativity needn't be "true" - if you assume it's flat, and apply the same maths, everything else just bends around to compensate. It's just a way of visualising things. Unfortunately we have 3D brains, all our thoughts and thought processes are built around that, it's pretty unescapable that that's going to imprint everything we do, including theories we come up with. The creation of higher dimensional pattern recognition machines (AI) could move us forwards.
...and then, of cause, the whole universe will have to change again, to become more confusing...
Other than that, Occam's razor comes into play. The closer our model gets to full accurate predictions of reality (even if it's an incorrect model), the closer the maths behind it will actually be correct. Once done, we can totally escape space, and shift things around purely mathmatically, find bits that cancel each other out, even whole dimensions could be folded together by spotting that both are function of a common variable, etc. The final result is probably gonna be real simple!
that would completely break my "not bothered" image thing I got goin on here *lol*
:-p
Seriously, effort. Besides, it's "published" now, it's out there, it's safe
Yeah, but that just felt a little too easy *lol*
But true, flouride, on the toxicity scale, lies between arsenic and lead. It lies in the same periodic group as iodine, which your thyroid gland kinda uses. The thyroid gland is responsible (amongst other things I guess) for regulating metabolism. The disruption that flouride causes slows down the metabolism, causing lethargy/apathy and weight gain. It also disrupts insulin production, and lots of other nasty stuff. Bad. Bad flouride.
"you're sweating the water back out"
Not just water though - but more often than not, it's just the water that gets replaced.
Two contradicting opinions, nothing unusual there, guess we need a study. Know of any that have been done?
"The point is that exactly what the prize was had nothing to do with why the accident occurred"
The competition was created as a play on the name of the prize, that's called "relevance". Two things that aren't relevant are a squirrel and a ladder. See the difference?
The fact is the article, and the title (as is what this thread started about) merely state fact. If you're reading into it in some way that sounds like the console is being blamed, you're misreading it, it was the peoples fault, but the competition WAS a competition for a Wii.
"If I had just read that headline and none of the summary and/or story, I would probably imagine..."
First of all, that's a lot of hypotheticals, secondly... it's the TITLE, the chunk of text underneith it says "there's more to this story", otherwise the title on it's own would have been sufficient. If you want to start drawing conclusions about something without actually reading it, then you're the only person to blame for your own faulty guesses.
"Too much of anything can kill you"
Well done... the clue is in the words "too much", it's like... what they mean.
"Someone point the other contestants to"
I err, don't think the other contestants are still playing...
Ugh, you gotta be kidn'yin me!
January/post-christmas blues? One person gets a bad mod, and so passes on the "favour" to five other people, effect continues... who knows. I have done alright recently though, got lots of 'insightful's for some posts that went very much against the popular opinion here, which is basically unheard of!
They were probably too busy laughing at "wii" hehe "wee" to stop and think.
:-/
But yeah I see this all the time, people drinking loads of water but still feeling dehydrated. I get them to neck some salt, and they very quickly start to feel the water having an effect, as they can actually absorb it
So do you think the press should have covered up what the prize was?
The title says "Killed In Wii-Related Competition" - which is 100% correct. She died, in a wii-related competition. What the hell's deceptive about that?
crap joke maybe (I thought it was amusing), but offtopic?!!
The kidneys perhaps wouldn't have been working at full capacity due to full bladder. There is the body salts issue, and anything in the water (chlorine, floride, etc) that are pretty bad for you to consume. If she wasn't in the best health to begin with, all of these combined could screw things up... as we've seen.
She got it the worst, but other contestants also had problems and took a while to recover.
Yeah I nearly pissed myself laughing when I heard about it yesterday, but the irony was too much to handle, and I passed out.
Here in UK there've been a few "ecstacy deaths", last a few years ago, that turned out not to be the ecstacy as such, but drinking too much water to avoid dehydration and overcompensating. You need to replace your body salts when drinking, or they get flushed out, and organs will fail.
Other risks come from the chlorine put in tap water to stop bacteria from growing - well the bacteria in your guts you kind of need, for digestion etc. Boiling the water first evaporates off the chlorine, otherwise, you're disinfecting yourself everytime you drink it, an accumulative effect.
this is canada we're talking about