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Between the proxy and the webserver, yeah it's tcp, but between the proxy server and the phone it can be anything really. Hell you can have webpages returned to you by SMS! My phone was set up by default to use WAP rather than true internet, and web page access was done through a wap gateway / proxy, which means that anything that tried to use raw tcp/ip failed (I can't say I know whether the WAP setting uses tcp/ip between the phone and the proxy, I wouldn't be surprised either way).
Changing the phone's network login details gave it DNS lookup and an IP gateway, rather than just access to a single proxy.
Are you sure? The reason I ask is that I thought the same was true with my network (vodafone), but found that actually it was the default phone settings that only connected to a proxy, and creating a new connection on my phone allowed me full tcp/udp access (over 3G/GPRS). This basically involved changing the user/pass from 'wap' to 'web'. More information:
http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html (O2 settings at the top, but this is UK information, I don't know about the rest of the world, but it's worth looking in to).
After that I also had to contact the network to get them to lift the blocks on certain ports. This involved them doing an age verification check for some reason or another, maybe to stop kids running up huge data bills using such services).
Incidentally, I had to find this information out for myself on the web, speaking to vodafone without being armed with the information did not yield results.
Yeah but we can put these mobile networks through the airwaves, and we have a huge amount of air space, so it's no problem. In the US however, mobile networks are a series of tubes full of internets and people taking dumps in them,/that's/ the difference.
Don't accuse me of obfuscating just because you can't understand what I'm saying, and you're blind if you don't think that increased wealth doesn't drives up prices. Wages *must* increase inline with inflation, otherwise a recession will occure as people can afford to buy less than they could previously. But just because increased wages is in effect of inflation, does not mean that it's not also a cause. It's called a "cycle"; two things that are both cause and effect of each other.
My original statement, which you say is wrong, I could have been a little more precise. When I said "wealth is not how much you have, it's how much/more/ you have", what I should have said is "it's how much/more/ you have than somebody else", I thought that was implied but I guess not. For example, we all have basically as much air as each other, so it has no trade value, but people who have more oil than others get to exchange that oil for... well, anything really, with people who don't have any oil.
Same is true with money. If you knew that everyone had $1m, and you were the only person with bread, you'd most likely charge more for your bread. The $1m everyone had would be worth less, because they could buy less with it, because everyone would be charging more.
hey I never said it was good, but it is human nature. When it comes to the crunch, people will prioritise their own families needs above others (and other times just out of greed) and so will try to maximise what they get out of each exchange made.
For example, when people shop around for "the cheapest" (eg, go to a shop where banana's are cheaper), the result being that people who make the produce get paid less.
When money's tight, I regret I must admit I do exactly that, as do most, and if you ever have done too, you're as guilty as I am:-/
When you're 100% self sufficient and have everything you could ever want/need, maybe, but be realistic, is that gonna happen often? No, so you need to make exchanges, and the *exchange* value of anything is based not on how much you have, but how much more you have than someone else (with something that you want), hence their desire to exchange with you, actually. For example, if everyone starts getting paid more money, the money starts to lose it's value; this is called "inflation". I don't have it backwards in the slightest.
Not gonna happen... wealth is not how much you have, it's how much/more/ you have. A closer gap between rich and poor will mean that money will have less value overall.
"My mail server that requires me to login is not persistant"
And the windows update server that requires you to validate is persistant?
I'm not saying that the method being used works perfectly, and when things go wrong for a valid user, of cause they have a valid complaint. What I do object to, however, is all this "how dare they suspect me of being a thief!" comments of people turning themselves into poor pathetic victims because all of a sudden there's a validation process attached to recieving software. Wake up, pretty much everything requires validation, especially software support, including many enterprise level Linux distro's. If you have trouble validating your key because some software "pirate" has used it, well it's that person who's screwing things up for you (who also happen to be the party breaking the law), not the people who've written the software.
You can only choose what lock to install on your own doors, just as you can choose what copy protection type lock you add on to each piece of software you write.
You can't choose what kind of lock gets used on someone elses doors (even doors which you use, like your local bank door), just as you can't choose what kind of copy protection/verification gets used on software that other people write.
"Another stupid fucking metaphor from another idiot AC"
Jeez, next you'll be saying that billy boy gates didn't actually say "640k ought to be enough for anyone"! This is slashdot you fool, where MS do everything wrong, even the things they did right, and even the things they didn't do at all!
Actually I've always thought that MS should create a "distribution" license, so that people can create third-party distributions of windows. This would also get them out of many of their "omm! You can't package that, you're abusing your monopoly!" situations, because the distributions could package any/multiple media players, browsers, office suites that they wish. Don't like one distro? Buy a different one... but MS still get their money.
Drawbacks? Well, a dodgy distro could make a bad (/worse) name for MS, and a flood of different distro's could confuse consumers, splitting the market up... but handled properly, these could be avoided.
A "dimension" is just a variable in an equasion, not as much of a physical property as connotations of the word imply, but a property of the physical 'stuff' that an equasion is describing. Any of the dimensions that we see may actually be functions of more than one dimension for certain calculations.
So, the number of dimensions there are depends purely on what you're calculating. Many dimensions may fold into fewer dimensions for some calculations (think, simplifying an equasion). There is likely, though, a maximum number of dimensions that would be required to describe anything. Many believe this is where string theory lies. They just need to figure out what all of the variables actually represent in the physical world.
"Actually, an 8cm tungsten sphere would exert the same gravitational pull on any object 10cm away, regardless of the other object's mass"
Yes, but you're forgetting that the second object has a gravitational pull too; a larger secondary object will have a greater pull back, meaning a greater combined pull.
"Like 'would'.. honestly, why not not just spell it 'wood'?"
Because it's a different word... I think we should move the other way, and split the spelling of words that have multiple meanings (maybe) or pronunciations (better). Like read (to read) / read (have read)... or "wind"... NASAs World Wind, is it wind blowy-blowy, or wind as in "wind it up"? It's text on the internet, you can't tell! (I'm guessing it's a play on whirlwind, so it's the blowy type, but this is a guess, I can't actually tell).
These words you see before you is a written language, of similar syntax and structure to the spoken language. A trained mind can read the written language without having to translate it into the spoken language to understand it. This is what's happening; we're forgetting that it's a language in its own right, and treating it like a pure representation of "the real language", being what we speak.
Just to pick one out, going off topic, but I've noticed the 'lazer' thing too, and it actually has a reason... they're not lasers! Usually those small handheld bright blue/red/whatever lights you can buy for next to nothing with 'lazer' across the packaging use LED's to produce the light, so they cannot actually be called lasers, because for it to be a laser, the light must be produced through Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Laser's is more than a word, it's the method of producing light at a fixed frequency, and you could get into trouble marketing an LED as a LASER.
So they call it a lazer and hope nobody really thinks about it:-)
(Unless I'm wrong and LEDs can be classed as LASERs... anyone?)
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Can't you use the water or even gas supply companies? They have a network of tubes...
Except in Canada, where there's only one tube.
... #
# Follow the only tube,
Follow the only tube!
Follow, oh follow, oh follow, oh follow,
Oh follow the only tube!
We're off to internet the prime minister,
The prime minister of Canada
Over a WAP connection to a WAP gateway, which then communicates with the webserver over TCP.
Between the proxy and the webserver, yeah it's tcp, but between the proxy server and the phone it can be anything really. Hell you can have webpages returned to you by SMS! My phone was set up by default to use WAP rather than true internet, and web page access was done through a wap gateway / proxy, which means that anything that tried to use raw tcp/ip failed (I can't say I know whether the WAP setting uses tcp/ip between the phone and the proxy, I wouldn't be surprised either way).
Changing the phone's network login details gave it DNS lookup and an IP gateway, rather than just access to a single proxy.
Are you sure? The reason I ask is that I thought the same was true with my network (vodafone), but found that actually it was the default phone settings that only connected to a proxy, and creating a new connection on my phone allowed me full tcp/udp access (over 3G/GPRS). This basically involved changing the user/pass from 'wap' to 'web'. More information:
http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html (O2 settings at the top, but this is UK information, I don't know about the rest of the world, but it's worth looking in to).
After that I also had to contact the network to get them to lift the blocks on certain ports. This involved them doing an age verification check for some reason or another, maybe to stop kids running up huge data bills using such services).
Incidentally, I had to find this information out for myself on the web, speaking to vodafone without being armed with the information did not yield results.
Yeah but we can put these mobile networks through the airwaves, and we have a huge amount of air space, so it's no problem. In the US however, mobile networks are a series of tubes full of internets and people taking dumps in them, /that's/ the difference.
Don't accuse me of obfuscating just because you can't understand what I'm saying, and you're blind if you don't think that increased wealth doesn't drives up prices. Wages *must* increase inline with inflation, otherwise a recession will occure as people can afford to buy less than they could previously. But just because increased wages is in effect of inflation, does not mean that it's not also a cause. It's called a "cycle"; two things that are both cause and effect of each other.
/more/ you have", what I should have said is "it's how much /more/ you have than somebody else", I thought that was implied but I guess not. For example, we all have basically as much air as each other, so it has no trade value, but people who have more oil than others get to exchange that oil for... well, anything really, with people who don't have any oil.
My original statement, which you say is wrong, I could have been a little more precise. When I said "wealth is not how much you have, it's how much
Same is true with money. If you knew that everyone had $1m, and you were the only person with bread, you'd most likely charge more for your bread. The $1m everyone had would be worth less, because they could buy less with it, because everyone would be charging more.
hey I never said it was good, but it is human nature. When it comes to the crunch, people will prioritise their own families needs above others (and other times just out of greed) and so will try to maximise what they get out of each exchange made.
:-/
For example, when people shop around for "the cheapest" (eg, go to a shop where banana's are cheaper), the result being that people who make the produce get paid less.
When money's tight, I regret I must admit I do exactly that, as do most, and if you ever have done too, you're as guilty as I am
When you're 100% self sufficient and have everything you could ever want/need, maybe, but be realistic, is that gonna happen often? No, so you need to make exchanges, and the *exchange* value of anything is based not on how much you have, but how much more you have than someone else (with something that you want), hence their desire to exchange with you, actually. For example, if everyone starts getting paid more money, the money starts to lose it's value; this is called "inflation". I don't have it backwards in the slightest.
"What about the whole world sharing the wealth"
/more/ you have. A closer gap between rich and poor will mean that money will have less value overall.
Not gonna happen... wealth is not how much you have, it's how much
"My mail server that requires me to login is not persistant"
And the windows update server that requires you to validate is persistant?
I'm not saying that the method being used works perfectly, and when things go wrong for a valid user, of cause they have a valid complaint. What I do object to, however, is all this "how dare they suspect me of being a thief!" comments of people turning themselves into poor pathetic victims because all of a sudden there's a validation process attached to recieving software. Wake up, pretty much everything requires validation, especially software support, including many enterprise level Linux distro's. If you have trouble validating your key because some software "pirate" has used it, well it's that person who's screwing things up for you (who also happen to be the party breaking the law), not the people who've written the software.
"if you have no proxy, it's cake:
wget --proxy=on -i yourfile.txt"
Out of interest, why --proxy=on if you have no proxy?
DOWN WITH RAR!!!
I don't necessarily agree with all your reasoning, but am totally with you on the result.
Rarred mp3s? Rarred mpegs? What are those torrent people on???
I suppose your mail server that requires you to log in is "treating you like a hacker"?
"If it was valid yesterday, why would it not be today?"
Um, because the flag that says it was valid yesterday could just be set by a patch/crack?
You can only choose what lock to install on your own doors, just as you can choose what copy protection type lock you add on to each piece of software you write.
You can't choose what kind of lock gets used on someone elses doors (even doors which you use, like your local bank door), just as you can't choose what kind of copy protection/verification gets used on software that other people write.
"Another stupid fucking metaphor from another idiot AC"
You didn't have to join in.
Jeez, next you'll be saying that billy boy gates didn't actually say "640k ought to be enough for anyone"! This is slashdot you fool, where MS do everything wrong, even the things they did right, and even the things they didn't do at all!
Stop saying "Stop saying boxen"! :-p
Stop saying "Stop saying boxen"!
STOP SAYING "STOP SAYING BOXEN"!!! It's "You idiot, *slap*"
Actually I've always thought that MS should create a "distribution" license, so that people can create third-party distributions of windows. This would also get them out of many of their "omm! You can't package that, you're abusing your monopoly!" situations, because the distributions could package any/multiple media players, browsers, office suites that they wish. Don't like one distro? Buy a different one... but MS still get their money.
Drawbacks? Well, a dodgy distro could make a bad (/worse) name for MS, and a flood of different distro's could confuse consumers, splitting the market up... but handled properly, these could be avoided.
yeah but the microsoft people sit in their big corporation building, being all... corporationy... and um... global warming!
Finally, a disc with some culture on it!
A "dimension" is just a variable in an equasion, not as much of a physical property as connotations of the word imply, but a property of the physical 'stuff' that an equasion is describing. Any of the dimensions that we see may actually be functions of more than one dimension for certain calculations.
So, the number of dimensions there are depends purely on what you're calculating. Many dimensions may fold into fewer dimensions for some calculations (think, simplifying an equasion). There is likely, though, a maximum number of dimensions that would be required to describe anything. Many believe this is where string theory lies. They just need to figure out what all of the variables actually represent in the physical world.
(roughly)
"Actually, an 8cm tungsten sphere would exert the same gravitational pull on any object 10cm away, regardless of the other object's mass"
Yes, but you're forgetting that the second object has a gravitational pull too; a larger secondary object will have a greater pull back, meaning a greater combined pull.
"These words you see before you is a written language"
:-p
oops, that was sloppy, apologies
"Like 'would' .. honestly, why not not just spell it 'wood'?"
Because it's a different word... I think we should move the other way, and split the spelling of words that have multiple meanings (maybe) or pronunciations (better). Like read (to read) / read (have read)... or "wind"... NASAs World Wind, is it wind blowy-blowy, or wind as in "wind it up"? It's text on the internet, you can't tell! (I'm guessing it's a play on whirlwind, so it's the blowy type, but this is a guess, I can't actually tell).
These words you see before you is a written language, of similar syntax and structure to the spoken language. A trained mind can read the written language without having to translate it into the spoken language to understand it. This is what's happening; we're forgetting that it's a language in its own right, and treating it like a pure representation of "the real language", being what we speak.
Just to pick one out, going off topic, but I've noticed the 'lazer' thing too, and it actually has a reason... they're not lasers! Usually those small handheld bright blue/red/whatever lights you can buy for next to nothing with 'lazer' across the packaging use LED's to produce the light, so they cannot actually be called lasers, because for it to be a laser, the light must be produced through Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Laser's is more than a word, it's the method of producing light at a fixed frequency, and you could get into trouble marketing an LED as a LASER.
:-)
So they call it a lazer and hope nobody really thinks about it
(Unless I'm wrong and LEDs can be classed as LASERs... anyone?)