"because human beings are incapable of finding facts and are NEVER right"
Thus invalidating EVERYTHING you've said, as none of it can be right, including that statement, which means that humans are capable of finding facts and capable of being right. Unless you're gonna claim that you're not human?
"And since human beings are only capable of opinion- not actually knowing reality"
Still *no* - facts are things that are true, whether they are believed, or even known, or not. Sure, you may not be able to prove 100% that something is true ("a fact"), or you may not be able to prove 100% that something is not true, but that doesn't change whether it actually really is a fact or not. Facts are not subjective. So the model of the universe we build may consist of facts, or it may not, depending on whether we are right, NOT depending on whether we can prove/know for certain that we're right.
I'm guessing that unlike them, he hasn't been brainwashed into believing that he will burn in hell for all eternity should he "question the lord". Fear is a pseudostupidity (and of cause many of them are just plain really stupid)
That's absolute crap. Facts are things that are true, despite whether they are believed or not. Facts are not subjective, only the OPINION as to whether they are true or not.
Lies are things that are untrue that are known to be untrue at the time they are told by the person who's telling them. Something not being true does not make it a lie, just a mistake.
Showing my age here, but many "gods" when I was young were things that are in fact very real, but just weren't understood, such as volcano's, the weather system, earthquakes, the sun and the moon (yeah I'm joking about the "when I was young" thing).
Occasionally people still don't (or won't) recognise perfectly valid answers behind things.
"In August 1951 (only 50 years ago), 'Pont St. Esprit' a small town in France, was struck by ergot poisoning, following a local bakery selling rye bread contaminated with ergot. Four people died, and a large number suffered 'possession' or 'bewitchment'. The bakery was actually believed to be possessed by the Devil and was exorcised by the local bishop" [http://www.hulford.co.uk/ergot.html] - for those not in the know, Ergot contains a precursor to LSD, this combined with blood vessel constriction, causes people to often hallucinate things like things crawling under their skin etc. When this has happened in the past, people (such as christians) would blame it on some random woman as being a witch, and a hanging/burning/drowning would entail.
This is all that's going on here. These people will die out, unfortunately as they keep teaching others this crap, it will take a little longer than it needs to. Then the human race will finally be able to move forwards.
Um, no... we had the chance to test how fast large objects distort space, by watching a distant STAR as JUPITOR passed between us and it.
We're testing the effects of a large rotating object on space by placing observational satalites in space, locking them onto distant stars, and measuring rotation on different objects.
These are not "small contrived experiments" that we're applying results to the rest of the universe. We're looking out into the universe.
If you're going to argue about science, you better keep up.
Fast charging/discharging of capacitors can make them sing in this way. While there're no moving parts as such, changing in electric current causes changes in electromagnetic field, which is a force, thus can create tiny movement.
The assumtion's all yours I'm afraid. The common view of the universe is exactly as you say for "God" - it was not created, nor will it be destroyed, it simply is. Therefore the big bang was not meant to be the creation of the universe, it's mearly what lies at one end of it.
"The difference between the big bang and God, is that we hope someday to figure out what caused the big bang"
Another flawed assumption there dude - it is believed that the big bang occured right at the tip of time - nothing created it, because there was nothing before it to create it, because there was no time for there to be a before it.
God, however, IS created, in the minds of delusional men, and exists not outside of them.
If you think "what caused the big bang" is such a brilliant question to prove the existance of a god, try this one: what created god?
If you think that everything must have been created, then you can't believe in a god that wasn't created. If, on the other hand, you believe that god can get away without being created, then how can you believe that the big bang can't?
It's these inconsistancies that leave the sane world laughing at you.
um, no... if you read what he said you'll spot the words "in between", which creates a context which has a start and an end point, making everything in between - transitional stages. His wording was perfectly valid. That doesn't mean that you have to like the term, but it'll take more than not liking it to stop it being valid.
If you're going to argue about wording, you have to take into account the context which it's used.
He says, right now, governmental restrictions may get in the way of performing the surgery in the United States. "There were no governmental or hospital problems with getting permission to do the experimental operation in Portugal, whereas, it would be almost impossible here. Plus, it was much cheaper -- about one-third of the cost in the hospital as it would be in U.S. hospitals," he says
Nowhere does it say anything about government restrictions on the research:-/
Sensationalisation (wow, that's a longer word than I thought) anyone?
Your visual cortex is at the back of your brain - my guess is the optic nerve isn't wireless, so much reach there. Oh how cool if it was wireless! Could use implants without having to open up... although to danger of bluetooth viruses could make it just as dangerous. New warning: don't look at attachments unless you know who's sending them to you!
"Lots of questions and I don't claim to have the answers"
I do.
"Are you sure this is progress?"
Yes.
"Can this surgery only be done if one is handicapped in some way?"
No, but until the result of operation is better than "normal" eyesight, it would be considered a downgrade for most people.
"What happens when the handicapped when augmented become more able than those who cannot have the surgery?"
Then not being able to have the surgery becomes the new handicap.
"Will we forbid computer implants for the "rich" because it will give them an unfair advantage over the "poor"?"
No. The operation costs money, which is something the rich have (apart from times where the rich donate to give the poor chance to recieve such tech). Plus you can't really ban someone from having something just because they've been more successful in life (or have been born into family success etc).
"Do we really want to become the Borg?"
Yes. But without the nasty makeup. Or the mind-linking, so we can keep having our dirty disgusting thoughts (and keep them to ourselves when we really need to).
This is just technology. The only thing different about it than other technology out there is it's interface. If you wanna see in the dark, there's nightvision goggles (which will cost MUCH less than having one sugically implanted). If you wanna see some chick nekkid, you just wait til she's asleep. This is no more disturbing than that.
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"because human beings are incapable of finding facts and are NEVER right"
Thus invalidating EVERYTHING you've said, as none of it can be right, including that statement, which means that humans are capable of finding facts and capable of being right. Unless you're gonna claim that you're not human?
Well all I can say is well done, you must be very proud :-)
"And since human beings are only capable of opinion- not actually knowing reality"
Still *no* - facts are things that are true, whether they are believed, or even known, or not. Sure, you may not be able to prove 100% that something is true ("a fact"), or you may not be able to prove 100% that something is not true, but that doesn't change whether it actually really is a fact or not. Facts are not subjective. So the model of the universe we build may consist of facts, or it may not, depending on whether we are right, NOT depending on whether we can prove/know for certain that we're right.
"Even my 8 year old kid gets it"
I'm guessing that unlike them, he hasn't been brainwashed into believing that he will burn in hell for all eternity should he "question the lord". Fear is a pseudostupidity (and of cause many of them are just plain really stupid)
That's absolute crap. Facts are things that are true, despite whether they are believed or not. Facts are not subjective, only the OPINION as to whether they are true or not.
Lies are things that are untrue that are known to be untrue at the time they are told by the person who's telling them. Something not being true does not make it a lie, just a mistake.
Or Vorlons ;-)
Showing my age here, but many "gods" when I was young were things that are in fact very real, but just weren't understood, such as volcano's, the weather system, earthquakes, the sun and the moon (yeah I'm joking about the "when I was young" thing).
Occasionally people still don't (or won't) recognise perfectly valid answers behind things.
"In August 1951 (only 50 years ago), 'Pont St. Esprit' a small town in France, was struck by ergot poisoning, following a local bakery selling rye bread contaminated with ergot. Four people died, and a large number suffered 'possession' or 'bewitchment'. The bakery was actually believed to be possessed by the Devil and was exorcised by the local bishop" [http://www.hulford.co.uk/ergot.html] - for those not in the know, Ergot contains a precursor to LSD, this combined with blood vessel constriction, causes people to often hallucinate things like things crawling under their skin etc. When this has happened in the past, people (such as christians) would blame it on some random woman as being a witch, and a hanging/burning/drowning would entail.
This is all that's going on here. These people will die out, unfortunately as they keep teaching others this crap, it will take a little longer than it needs to. Then the human race will finally be able to move forwards.
"who ever said that SCO knows what its claims are?"
:-/
SCO did!
Oh wait... I'm an idiot huh
"You don't need to have evidence to be right"
No but you at least need a reason for making the assertion in the first place, beyond "I read in a book, and I believed it"!
Do you have any idea how many fictional books there are out there? Why pick one to believe over the rest? There's no reason for it.
Um, no... we had the chance to test how fast large objects distort space, by watching a distant STAR as JUPITOR passed between us and it.
We're testing the effects of a large rotating object on space by placing observational satalites in space, locking them onto distant stars, and measuring rotation on different objects.
These are not "small contrived experiments" that we're applying results to the rest of the universe. We're looking out into the universe.
If you're going to argue about science, you better keep up.
You could say the same for santa clause and the easter bunny.
Fast charging/discharging of capacitors can make them sing in this way. While there're no moving parts as such, changing in electric current causes changes in electromagnetic field, which is a force, thus can create tiny movement.
"You're assuming that God is like anything else"
The assumtion's all yours I'm afraid. The common view of the universe is exactly as you say for "God" - it was not created, nor will it be destroyed, it simply is. Therefore the big bang was not meant to be the creation of the universe, it's mearly what lies at one end of it.
"The difference between the big bang and God, is that we hope someday to figure out what caused the big bang"
Another flawed assumption there dude - it is believed that the big bang occured right at the tip of time - nothing created it, because there was nothing before it to create it, because there was no time for there to be a before it.
God, however, IS created, in the minds of delusional men, and exists not outside of them.
...is that the the existance of those intelligent-design proponents is the number 1 piece of evidence that evolution cannot exist.
If you think "what caused the big bang" is such a brilliant question to prove the existance of a god, try this one: what created god?
If you think that everything must have been created, then you can't believe in a god that wasn't created. If, on the other hand, you believe that god can get away without being created, then how can you believe that the big bang can't?
It's these inconsistancies that leave the sane world laughing at you.
"Lessee now, God spent 2 billion years making them, and we've spent 200 years looking for them"
:-p
Um, no, God spent 6 days making them, and that was only 6000 years ago, the universe didn't even exist 2 billion years ago, DUH!!!
hehehe, how stupid do you feel now?!
um, no... if you read what he said you'll spot the words "in between", which creates a context which has a start and an end point, making everything in between - transitional stages. His wording was perfectly valid. That doesn't mean that you have to like the term, but it'll take more than not liking it to stop it being valid.
If you're going to argue about wording, you have to take into account the context which it's used.
I'm gonna be getting married?! *sniff* that's the best news I've had all day!
hehe, it was only actually because someone on an earlier post wrote 'nekkid', it was more mocking than actual usage, but I forgive you nonetheless :-)
TFA paints a very different picture:
:-/
He says, right now, governmental restrictions may get in the way of performing the surgery in the United States. "There were no governmental or hospital problems with getting permission to do the experimental operation in Portugal, whereas, it would be almost impossible here. Plus, it was much cheaper -- about one-third of the cost in the hospital as it would be in U.S. hospitals," he says
Nowhere does it say anything about government restrictions on the research
Sensationalisation (wow, that's a longer word than I thought) anyone?
Your visual cortex is at the back of your brain - my guess is the optic nerve isn't wireless, so much reach there. Oh how cool if it was wireless! Could use implants without having to open up... although to danger of bluetooth viruses could make it just as dangerous. New warning: don't look at attachments unless you know who's sending them to you!
"Lots of questions and I don't claim to have the answers"
I do.
"Are you sure this is progress?"
Yes.
"Can this surgery only be done if one is handicapped in some way?"
No, but until the result of operation is better than "normal" eyesight, it would be considered a downgrade for most people.
"What happens when the handicapped when augmented become more able than those who cannot have the surgery?"
Then not being able to have the surgery becomes the new handicap.
"Will we forbid computer implants for the "rich" because it will give them an unfair advantage over the "poor"?"
No. The operation costs money, which is something the rich have (apart from times where the rich donate to give the poor chance to recieve such tech). Plus you can't really ban someone from having something just because they've been more successful in life (or have been born into family success etc).
"Do we really want to become the Borg?"
Yes. But without the nasty makeup. Or the mind-linking, so we can keep having our dirty disgusting thoughts (and keep them to ourselves when we really need to).
This is just technology. The only thing different about it than other technology out there is it's interface. If you wanna see in the dark, there's nightvision goggles (which will cost MUCH less than having one sugically implanted). If you wanna see some chick nekkid, you just wait til she's asleep. This is no more disturbing than that.
" I just wish we would get our head out of our asses when it comes to doing cutting edge surgery"
:-/
Unfortunately the operation to remove one's head from one's ass is banned in America due to government restrictions
And that's putting aside the effects of constantly bombarding your face with x-rays :-p
yeah it just quits half way through :-p
Damn slashdot post filter gets me!
So here's a link