"(MS: If you sell machines with BeOS, you can't sell Windows machines anymore)"
Well I think it was more like "If you only sell machines with Windows preinstalled, we'll give you a discount on the purchase price"... so anyone trying to move away from selling all their machines with windows (either selling blank machines, or selling machines with another OS installed) was instantly less competative on their windows machines, locking them in:-/
So yes in a way I guess it was like saying "you can't sell windows machines anymore", but more "we're gonna make it difficult to".
Many complaints I hear about moving over to unix like systems is the filesystem hierarchy. I think for a really easy-for-noobs and for grabbing windows users, I'd like to see a patched distro where/dev,/proc,/sys etc are moved to (for example)/system. Put them all together and move them where the users knows they're not gonna need to go into.
Could even have a chrooted dir with mount --binds to make a seperate namespace for unpatched/closed source apps.
We really could do with tidying the root. Yes it breaks compatibility with unpatched software, but as it is breaks compatibility with users.
I tried it, I went to www.kernel.org to download latest kernel tarball, and it popped up "URL Tracer has detected a typo, and has redirected you to the site you meant, www.microsoft.com", damn.
The only thing that would make it different from having two seperate viruses*, is that it can jump from one platform to another (eg, over a network or dual boot system), and back etc, so a windows machine behind a linux machine could still be infected and vice versa, when possibly it couldn't otherwise.
(* virus comes from latin, which is why many think you 'virii' it to make it plural. However, the latin word actually refers to a liquid, which would have quantity, not quantities, thus a latin plural is not strictly legal. The english word refers to an entity though, which can have a plural, so 'viruses' is more correct).
It's not the first, I recall one before. And you don't even need detection code, you just write a different entry point address into the elf header as you would the exe header. You can have two different payloads, and two different copy mechanisms, as long as both copy both, not just themselves. In fact, there's no reason to stick to just 2. You can have a single virus that spreads across platforms/architectures, it just makes it bigger and easier to spot.
1. Linux and Win32? W00t, my WfW3.11 box is invincible!
Except to the insults on slashdot!
2. So... why can't application developers do this?
What, make their software infect all the your exe and elf files on your system? I can see it pissing a lot of people off, which is probably why they don't do it.
When it says 'linux and windows', it will no doubt mean linux-x86, which means that java type code isn't required, as the processor instructions are the same (it's apparently written in assembly code). System calls would have to be done differently, as would inserting the code into an elf/exe file to infect it. One way I guess would be to have different entry points into the code, the linux/windows machines would start running at a different point within the code, but when infecting a new file, it would copy both sections of code into it, rather than just the bit that's running. You could in theory make a virus that will spread to many more systems, but each one makes the resulting virus larger.
You'd have a difficult (/impossible) time keeping the dust in the right place with solar winds etc. Keeping an atmosphere in place in solar winds requires large amounts of gravity.
I'm actually on the NASA team, and no it didn't take us 37 years to figure it out... it took us 35 years to find where we put it. Well after they got back to earth, we partied hard, and got so high that err... yeah, you get the picture. Anyway, turns out we put it in the bong water for a laugh! NOW I'm glad we didn't empty it out! Boy did it smell tho. But yeah, looks like the Sun's made of burnt G13.
Yeah but as the moon landing was a fake, so must all of this be... which begs the question, what do they have to gain by saying that the sun doesn't have the enriched levels of oxypoxytosis-16 that we thought it did? I think they're going to use it to say that the sun lied to us about what chemicals it owns, and use it as an excuse to invade. Of cause, this will be an act against God, who created the sun 6006 years ago during the ice age, so must be driven by the evil forces of the dark one, because he erm... likes the dark.
Yes, most of the slashdotters who've jumped on the "it got turned down, those canadians must believe in ID! Looks what's it's doing!" etc etc are jumping to conclusions that are just as stupid, idiotic, and UNINFORMED as ID itself.
So you think that if you can't know something, then it can't exist? That nothing exists outside of your mind? That sounds like delusions of grandure to me. If that's not true, that stuff does exist outside of the mind, then stuff exists outside of where subjectivity happens; this is where facts lie*.
Well why didn't/they/ give him the $40K? Must be because they're followers of ID too... in fact, EVERYONE who doesn't want to give him $40K must be followers of ID.
HE'S JUST SULKING! It doesn't mean anything. If I were to request that money to study the effects that gravity has on society, and it gets turned down, does that mean they do/don't believe in gravity? Or does it mean it's a senseless study, not worthy of the money?
Or perhaps it proves the oposite - that they'd rather spend the money on a proper scientific study, than "the effects of ID on society" which anyone with two brain cells can figure out (it is a well known fact that people who believe ID, whist maybe having more than 2 braincells, don't use them).
It does, but I doubt that is the case. It sounds more like they questioned his ability to produce an unbaised results. Plus, you only really have to look out there to figure out the effects on society it's having. Instead of just looking at it as "they turned him down", expand the image to see what other research they would be turning down to fund it. There are better things to spend the money on.
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"(MS: If you sell machines with BeOS, you can't sell Windows machines anymore)"
... so anyone trying to move away from selling all their machines with windows (either selling blank machines, or selling machines with another OS installed) was instantly less competative on their windows machines, locking them in :-/
Well I think it was more like "If you only sell machines with Windows preinstalled, we'll give you a discount on the purchase price"
So yes in a way I guess it was like saying "you can't sell windows machines anymore", but more "we're gonna make it difficult to".
"What, if anything, differentiates it from the other ninety-four linux distributions"
:-p
They managed to REALLY piss Microsoft off with their original name
Many complaints I hear about moving over to unix like systems is the filesystem hierarchy. I think for a really easy-for-noobs and for grabbing windows users, I'd like to see a patched distro where /dev, /proc, /sys etc are moved to (for example) /system. Put them all together and move them where the users knows they're not gonna need to go into.
Could even have a chrooted dir with mount --binds to make a seperate namespace for unpatched/closed source apps.
We really could do with tidying the root. Yes it breaks compatibility with unpatched software, but as it is breaks compatibility with users.
(let the flaming commense)
no, that isn't until lesson 4 :-p
I tried it, I went to www.kernel.org to download latest kernel tarball, and it popped up "URL Tracer has detected a typo, and has redirected you to the site you meant, www.microsoft.com", damn.
The only thing that would make it different from having two seperate viruses*, is that it can jump from one platform to another (eg, over a network or dual boot system), and back etc, so a windows machine behind a linux machine could still be infected and vice versa, when possibly it couldn't otherwise.
(* virus comes from latin, which is why many think you 'virii' it to make it plural. However, the latin word actually refers to a liquid, which would have quantity, not quantities, thus a latin plural is not strictly legal. The english word refers to an entity though, which can have a plural, so 'viruses' is more correct).
It's not the first, I recall one before. And you don't even need detection code, you just write a different entry point address into the elf header as you would the exe header. You can have two different payloads, and two different copy mechanisms, as long as both copy both, not just themselves. In fact, there's no reason to stick to just 2. You can have a single virus that spreads across platforms/architectures, it just makes it bigger and easier to spot.
1. Linux and Win32? W00t, my WfW3.11 box is invincible!
Except to the insults on slashdot!
2. So... why can't application developers do this?
What, make their software infect all the your exe and elf files on your system? I can see it pissing a lot of people off, which is probably why they don't do it.
3. Profit!
The linux version comes with WINE ;-)
When it says 'linux and windows', it will no doubt mean linux-x86, which means that java type code isn't required, as the processor instructions are the same (it's apparently written in assembly code). System calls would have to be done differently, as would inserting the code into an elf/exe file to infect it. One way I guess would be to have different entry points into the code, the linux/windows machines would start running at a different point within the code, but when infecting a new file, it would copy both sections of code into it, rather than just the bit that's running. You could in theory make a virus that will spread to many more systems, but each one makes the resulting virus larger.
You'd have a difficult (/impossible) time keeping the dust in the right place with solar winds etc. Keeping an atmosphere in place in solar winds requires large amounts of gravity.
:-p
Maybe iron filings around a magnet?
(*lie as in stand/sit, not telling an untruth)
Good- you're learning the main hole of electronic communication
No, learning that you need it spelt out. Be careful who you condescend to.
Because driving over steep edges is just one of natures thinning out devices, doing so would be anti-evolutionary (watch the ID folk go do it now ;-)
You get to make a new series: "When navigation GOES WRONG!"
"The worlds worst nagivation errors!"
ugh
"is people blindly placing their trust in technology"
:-p
What... you believe what the website said?
It's possible that it's a new technique of analysing particals, or new information that's been crossreferences, that's behind these results.
:-p
This is just guess, I've not RTFA
Then I'd like to see the boobie it came from!!!
(please don't ruin my image by telling me it's cows milk or something like that... let a man dream)
I'm actually on the NASA team, and no it didn't take us 37 years to figure it out... it took us 35 years to find where we put it. Well after they got back to earth, we partied hard, and got so high that err... yeah, you get the picture. Anyway, turns out we put it in the bong water for a laugh! NOW I'm glad we didn't empty it out! Boy did it smell tho. But yeah, looks like the Sun's made of burnt G13.
Yeah but as the moon landing was a fake, so must all of this be... which begs the question, what do they have to gain by saying that the sun doesn't have the enriched levels of oxypoxytosis-16 that we thought it did? I think they're going to use it to say that the sun lied to us about what chemicals it owns, and use it as an excuse to invade. Of cause, this will be an act against God, who created the sun 6006 years ago during the ice age, so must be driven by the evil forces of the dark one, because he erm... likes the dark.
Haha, and you think it's not religious.
...haha, right, and what do you think the chances are she listened to you?
"you must be new here" :-p
Yes, most of the slashdotters who've jumped on the "it got turned down, those canadians must believe in ID! Looks what's it's doing!" etc etc are jumping to conclusions that are just as stupid, idiotic, and UNINFORMED as ID itself.
The hypocrits.
So you think that if you can't know something, then it can't exist? That nothing exists outside of your mind? That sounds like delusions of grandure to me. If that's not true, that stuff does exist outside of the mind, then stuff exists outside of where subjectivity happens; this is where facts lie*.
(*lie as in stand/sit, not telling an untruth)
Well why didn't /they/ give him the $40K? Must be because they're followers of ID too... in fact, EVERYONE who doesn't want to give him $40K must be followers of ID.
HE'S JUST SULKING! It doesn't mean anything. If I were to request that money to study the effects that gravity has on society, and it gets turned down, does that mean they do/don't believe in gravity? Or does it mean it's a senseless study, not worthy of the money?
Or perhaps it proves the oposite - that they'd rather spend the money on a proper scientific study, than "the effects of ID on society" which anyone with two brain cells can figure out (it is a well known fact that people who believe ID, whist maybe having more than 2 braincells, don't use them).
It does, but I doubt that is the case. It sounds more like they questioned his ability to produce an unbaised results. Plus, you only really have to look out there to figure out the effects on society it's having. Instead of just looking at it as "they turned him down", expand the image to see what other research they would be turning down to fund it. There are better things to spend the money on.
It is a theory, it's just not a scientific theory... or one that demonstrates any rational thought in the slightest.