So long as we in America waste our national treasures on fruitless foreign wars of Republican adventure in Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran, there is no way we can afford this - and space will continue to be the domain of China, India, and even Japan, all of whom get cheap resources from Iraq and Afghanistan at no expense of their own due to our collective national insanity in America.
I wouldn't worry about it though, we've survived worse magnetic pole flips.
Of course, back then we were tiny mice and it killed off our Galaxy-traveling Sauropod overlords who forced us to labor mining Vespane Gas (which, naturally, is gone now).
It's only a matter of time before the law requires that any encrypted communication involve a license for one end. Banks, etc, witll be licensed https servers, the rest will be outlawed.
Again, my point is, if you're running encrypted, nobody really knows what is in those pipes.
Other than the NSA and MilInt, which is why they run it thru their devices.
Leasing satellite space isn't hard, nor is leasing cable fractions. There's a lot of unused cable trunk lines out there and companies willing to sell it to you, or lease it out.
Yes, but that's the easy part. How are you proposing that these servers talk to each other? Because if it's over the currently existing net, you have a problem there. And if it isn't, you've got a problem there. A network doesn't really exist if the nodes can't talk to each other, and a small network encompassing a block, isn't particularly interesting without the ability to talk across the state at least. Otherwise what you've done is invent the BBS.
A network is merely a connected series of devices.
Period.
The main questions are:
1. how can we run a clean twin Internet that is
a. encyrpted
b. not commercially upregulated for higher/lower tier usage
2. how do we do that while pirating most of the stuff available right now to get us off the ground.
Very few providers check encrypted traffic running on IPv6 or regulate that.
No, I said most machines can host 2 net cards or 2 ports - run the clean version on the unused IPv6 stack that is in most OS and use it before they pollute it with commercial upregulation to higher priority for "valued customers".
All your old stuff will keep working until you switch it over.
How is that not technically feasible?
Do you think they'll GIVE you a nice clean twin Internet? Of course they won't. You have to build it and run clean on it.
In some ways, we should probably require a second port/net capability, as many people will probably run dual stacks.
Right now IPv6 is default enabled. We could task that to a second net card, use the backup port, and run full encryption with at most a modified stack protocol that disables priority escalations.
Stop thinking about how hard it is and just do it.
Let people who care about those other things add those things later - just bind the contracts to make it clean - that will keep out most of the cruft right there.
I remember CERN beamtime being a big thing, and that damned coke machine and coffee pot. People ADDED those. People ADDED webcams.
Don't let the Perfect get in the way of the Future. You just need a backbone architecture that's clean and grow it from there.
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Maybe we can hitch a ride with our spy satellites - I'm sure they won't mind ...
So long as we in America waste our national treasures on fruitless foreign wars of Republican adventure in Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran, there is no way we can afford this - and space will continue to be the domain of China, India, and even Japan, all of whom get cheap resources from Iraq and Afghanistan at no expense of their own due to our collective national insanity in America.
Reality hurts.
Spaceflight ain't cheap.
Work work work.
Sometimes you just need a break, you know?
He isn't an American.
We in the US don't belong to the International Courts.
Hence, he is not subject to them.
It's like me deciding to arrest Dick Cheney for crimes in Nigeria and "extraditing" him there.
As I recall, I was a member of their online Fan Club, and the software for that was copyright.
I wouldn't worry about it though, we've survived worse magnetic pole flips.
Of course, back then we were tiny mice and it killed off our Galaxy-traveling Sauropod overlords who forced us to labor mining Vespane Gas (which, naturally, is gone now).
just down the street.
Hmm, I wouldn't call the Mall a barn but ... ya think?
Nope, no phone lines. I'm literally wired into a cable router, comrade.
See, in America, we have this thing called Choice.
Look into it.
Many cell towers are connected by various other devices - like the ones you find on top of mountain peaks - those use microwaves, satellites, etc.
Choice. It's what's for supper.
No, on the iPad you just touch their faces.
Same as any cell phone.
They already run some secure highband traffic over IPv6 with Sec addons.
It's only a matter of time before the law requires that any encrypted communication involve a license for one end. Banks, etc, witll be licensed https servers, the rest will be outlawed.
You mean like in Saudi Arabia?
Do you hand-encode your cellphone?
Doubt it.
Most people don't use their backbone.
In most big cities the backbone is already running over non-telephone circuits.
The question is, if you want to offer a non-tiered alternative, what preconditions you need.
You need an encrypted method of transmission - ok, IPv6 with encryption will work fine.
You need some method that connects to the major usage - power lines, cable, satellite, telephone, whatever.
And you need to be able to deliver it.
My neighbor runs a Wireless-N encrypted router next door, using her satellite provider. The problem arises when the provider tiers service.
Somehow you have to bulk buy non-tiered access on some major trunks - what they are isn't that important.
They can't block IPv6. It's a mandated government requirement.
We're already using it in the medical, research, biotech, university, etc fields.
The main thing is how to ensure the actual traffic isn't up or down regulated priority-wise, based on network commercial tiers.
You can only do that if you either subvert the tier system (bulk buys of connections thru sat or cable shares).
The encryption helps, but someone will have to do that, or at least some people who have bandwidth already.
We're already wired.
Internet is literally running over the following:
a. Wireless
b. Satellite
c. Cable
d. Microwave
e. Power lines.
Your problem is you're stuck on an AOL vision of today when that day has already come and gone.
Most people around the world use Internet cafes that get their signal from satellite.
Stop thinking old school and get with the fact that it's already 2011 and the future is already here.
Most of us use satellite or trunk cable, actually. It's only rural folks who use power lines to run Internet over.
You describe a world that was.
I'm talking about the world that is.
You use phone lines?
I don't even have one in my house.
I have cable service that my phone uses.
My neighbor next door doesn't have phone lines.
She has Satellite service for her TV that her phone uses.
And there's lots of cell phone towers.
You speak of phone lines - but modern Internet does NOT use them.
Like I said, if it doesn't have upregulated tiered service, they'll be lazy and just keep using the Old Internet instead.
Again, my point is, if you're running encrypted, nobody really knows what is in those pipes.
Other than the NSA and MilInt, which is why they run it thru their devices.
Leasing satellite space isn't hard, nor is leasing cable fractions. There's a lot of unused cable trunk lines out there and companies willing to sell it to you, or lease it out.
See, that's what we did with the original Internet.
We hung stuff on it.
Like HTTP and FTP and so on.
That's the beauty - it's whatever you WANT.
Yes, but that's the easy part. How are you proposing that these servers talk to each other? Because if it's over the currently existing net, you have a problem there. And if it isn't, you've got a problem there. A network doesn't really exist if the nodes can't talk to each other, and a small network encompassing a block, isn't particularly interesting without the ability to talk across the state at least. Otherwise what you've done is invent the BBS.
A network is merely a connected series of devices.
Period.
The main questions are:
1. how can we run a clean twin Internet that is
a. encyrpted
b. not commercially upregulated for higher/lower tier usage
2. how do we do that while pirating most of the stuff available right now to get us off the ground.
Very few providers check encrypted traffic running on IPv6 or regulate that.
Use that weakness.
No, I said most machines can host 2 net cards or 2 ports - run the clean version on the unused IPv6 stack that is in most OS and use it before they pollute it with commercial upregulation to higher priority for "valued customers".
All your old stuff will keep working until you switch it over.
How is that not technically feasible?
Do you think they'll GIVE you a nice clean twin Internet? Of course they won't. You have to build it and run clean on it.
I know. But mine is older.
In some ways, we should probably require a second port/net capability, as many people will probably run dual stacks.
Right now IPv6 is default enabled. We could task that to a second net card, use the backup port, and run full encryption with at most a modified stack protocol that disables priority escalations.
Stop thinking about how hard it is and just do it.
Nobody asked you to remove anything.
We just need to get a clean Net2 running on IPv6 and then slowly add back all those things.
Have you never wired your own place?
To run a twin clean Net - build the backbone.
That's all we had originally.
We added all that other stuff later.
Let people who care about those other things add those things later - just bind the contracts to make it clean - that will keep out most of the cruft right there.
I remember CERN beamtime being a big thing, and that damned coke machine and coffee pot. People ADDED those. People ADDED webcams.
Don't let the Perfect get in the way of the Future. You just need a backbone architecture that's clean and grow it from there.