But not the users or musicians. See that's the thing with the whole fanboi attitude - someone has to loose for their choice to win. Winning for you means we are forced into your choices, not because it is a better choice, but because all the other choices have been eliminated. Somehow, you think that is good.
Apple is becoming more like Microsoft used to be every day and guys like you cheer it on exactly the same way the MS fanbois used to.
Maybe you should be worried more about your control on reality. And using Android ain't going to help.
And here I am being modded a troll because I'm offering my opinion on *not* using itunes. FYI: I've never had any problems, at all with my music collection because I choose to control my reality.
That means I choose not to have iTunes abstract that control.
It has nothing to do with Android. OSX uses Free BSD components and whilst Apple is happy to take from the open source community Apple is not so happy to share with or even acknowledge the community of developers that OSX owes its existence to. Case in point, I can run posix apps on OSX, but can I run iTunes on FreeBSD - I somehow doubt it.
If you don't use iTunes, and admit to this level of ignorance about how it works, then please stop providing your baseless opinions about it.
Is false.
I was talking about my experience as an advanced user and the lack of problems I have managing my music collection, I never claimed to be talking about itunes.
All your purchased and ripped music is stored in a nice folder called 'Music', helpfully organised by artist. The files within are un-protected AAC or MP3 files.
Great - has someone told Bruce Willis?
I will say that streaming music is a very bad deal for artists though, so I think I'll stick to CDs.
Don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have an iPhone and nothing is streamed. Any music I listen is stored on the device.
I don't use itunes so I wouldn't know how the music gets on the device, I thought it was streamed AAC, my mistake. I don't understand what the complaints are about however I do like to maintain control over my music collection.
So as long as you have an itunes to manage it, I don't think it is so easy to step out of the walled garden once you step into it.
All you have to do is look at the Factory ships and ask yourself just how much fish is left for the sharks to eat. Do we really need a scientific study to tell us that if there is no food for the sharks to eat they will try to survive on whatever they can find in the water.
Meanwhile the factory ship goes on destroying more in its by-catch leaving a corridor of nothing behind. Of course the solution will be to kill the remaining sharks and let the fucktory ships go about their business.
We are clearly a race navel gazing it's way to extinction.
And now we know why Linux will never be more then a blip on the desktop radar. That superiority complex drives everyone away. Enjoy your crappy buggy software. The OS is just there so we can run the applications, and all your applications are amateurish and shitty.
You're a great example of the parasites every great endeavour attracts.
No, but seriously, many advance users do not care to have advanced control over their music library.
And you base your opinion on?
When I see an 'advanced' apple user going into a tunnel on the train I just chuckle and turn my cheap mp3 player up a bit more to drown out their complaints. They made their choice.
I still have control over my music collection and it still grows. Advanced users don't do use itunes, they use whatever they damn well please because they don't need Apples software. As far as 'control over your music organization' goes a few regular expressions and a 5 line shell script are enough to sort any mess.
You mean other than CxOs and VPs that carry an iPhone and/or iPad?
No I mean accountants and ERP users that actually use applications in the enterprise. C-levels and VPs are a very small group of users, important, but only if you are managing stakeholder expectations.
Oh and I can see the fanbois are out modding again and taking everything personally.
I would rather like to know why the tax payer is on the hook for a failed project from a contractor? The US government needs to stop negotiating these one-sided contracts where we the buyer take all the liability. If the contractor fails, we don't pay, period.
There just aren't enough mod points for this comment.
If Safari is the new internet explorer then that's not bad. If Safari is the old internet explorer then that's really bad.
If only enough people that mattered used Safari. Deploying an enterprise based web application using Safari the way dependency on IE6 was created is unlikely to happen again.
Well, I think some people do the work do it because they want to be good at it and, they enjoy it. They pursue challenges for the skill sets and visa versa. So being genuinely productive is a way to acquire new skill sets for yourself so everything is under control.
That's why the best IT professionals rarely work big hours, they don't need to.
Time and again experience shows there's more profit in looking productive than actually being productive -and arguably, being experienced in looking productive more than being productive will help you climbing the corporate ladder once you go into management.
I've noticed. For me though, I'm not doing a role just so they can get something out of me, I have my own objectives otherwise I wouldn't even be there. Acquiring talent with technology is still a discipline with difficult and interesting challenges - why else would you put up with the crap.
Management is a different set of skill sets where softer skills are important. Any programmer who wants to become a management person should focus on developing their people skills.
Actually, programmers should do that anyway, however it is impossible to become a good manager without having good people skills. Project management, budgeting, negotiating, and more to become a good manager.
The programmers path to management lays in developing emotional intelligence, empathy and awareness of others, reading body language, especially for leadership roles. So in some respect, it's not so much the path to management but what will you do to change so that you can accommodate those soft skills.
Unfortunately there are plenty of managers around who think that the person who knocks off at 5.30 is not a "team player", regardless of whether they get their work done. And they'll reflect this moronic point of view in their review of the employee.
So true, they don't take into account that some people know when it is time to go home instead of become a hollow shell of a being.
They don't care that you're old, they care that you either can't or won't put in tons of overtime they don't pay you for.
Since people work for free the expectation is there but it can't be put into a contract, so ultimately it is still a choice. At issue is whether or not someone can maintain their productivity if they consistently work back.
I think it is the social norm that should change. People seen staying back and working overtime used to be seen as the 'go-getters' when people worked a normal 8 hour day. Now most people do it for no other reason than they are too spineless to buck the trend and actually *be* productive as opposed to looking productive.
The idea that repetitive (as opposed to transient) overtime is a jerk move that steal employment opportunities from your peers needs to permeates our culture. It's the same behavior as the asshole that comes into work with the flu to be a hero and a week later the rest of the office has to suffer it.
Besides I'm unclear if the RTG was justified for this mission mass or duration wise.
It would have massed about 1/10th the solar panels and lasted longer.
That looks like a guess. Are you able to cite the mass of the solar cells and rtg vs the power requirements of the lander?
"Justified" doesn't enter the equation.
Yes it does. The availability of pu238 (IIRC) used in the rtg is scarce. The duration of the mission isn't multiple decades in deep space where you have to keep electronics warm and supply electricity.
Additionally the rtg degrades and the lander was in storage while the rtg produced it's peak power output. That means the characteristics of the mission would defeat the need of the lander to have an rtg.
So it doesn't make sense to put the mission planning through the additional logistics for a craft that is going to be destroyed anyway.
I think this whole rtg discussion is a case of Captain Hindsight not really knowing the situation.
Huh? The live television broadcast did not run for "hours".
Your statement is ambiguous.
No, it is not.
Yes, it is. I find it ambiguous, so it is ambiguous.
You say it started before breakfast
Bullshit. You lie and leave tracks. I wroteHuh?! The radio broadcast started before breakfast, but it was a normal school day until just before lunch. The television broadcast (via Parkes) started just before lunch East Coast Time. It didn't run for "hours". No such thing as ADD or dsylexia then.
It is your message. The responsibility for communicating it accurately is yours. So instead of rushing to take offence just resolve the ambiguity, it is not as if I'm trying to insult you.
Huh? The live television broadcast did not run for "hours".
Your statement is ambiguous. You say it started before breakfast and television broadcast (via Parkes) started just before lunch and fail to say when you stop watching or when it ended for you.
How hard is it for you to pay attention to something written on the same page you're replying to?
Without any accuracy and specificity in your response my level of attention is irrelevant. "did not run for hours" implies sometime less than 1 hour and 59 minutes, before breakfast to just before lunch implies at least 3 hours, even though you didn't connect the two statements. Therefore, based on the information you supplied, I can imply that you watched it for between 1 and 119 minutes. How long you watched and listened to whatever broadcasts were made was what I was interested in.
From the wiki:
Apollo 11 was the spaceflight that landed the first humans on the Moon, Americans Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, on July 20, 1969, at 20:18 UTC. Armstrong became the first to step onto the lunar surface six hours later on July 21 at 02:56 UTC. Armstrong spent about two and a half hours outside the spacecraft, Aldrin slightly less
The people I am talking about took the *entire* day off to watch and listen to *everything*. From the duration of the mission on the moon perhaps more than two hours was broadcast from the surface of the moon. Maybe they saw something you did not *see* or *listen* to or it was an earlier broadcast, considering the duration of the landing. I was simply giving you the benefit of the doubt with your answer. As I said, I'm not committed to any opinion on the matter, I was just wondering what other people saw and heard and you have told me that so thank you.
Do you even think about the things you say? Them words have meanings - have you considered that and what they mean? It's a rhetorical question.
Yes. I considered that now-a-days, instead of calling you a 'fucken little smart arse' and giving you a slap in the head, they medicate you and fuck your head instead. It wasn't about you.
Undoubtedly you don't like "smart arses" and prefer the company of the opposite - for obvious reasons - given that the opposite of a smart arse is a dumb prick.
Sometimes smart arses are entertaining. The opposite could also be a dumb cunt, a smart cunt or a dick head, however the obvious the reason appears to be you taking the conversation too seriously. Again, not having a go at you.
That must of been a slow news day....
yes, they were slow news days, I was incredibly fortunate that no-one had anything better to do, than me.
Because they're both competing for election funding from the same business interests? According to the AEC the party who spends the most gets the most votes.
Agree, I was speculating about the motives.
It's a conspiracy if you don't know about it
Indeed, so I generally focus on the the things I can do something about. Unfortunately the general public's apathy isn't a problem I can solve.
So you made your bit torrent client look like a speed test?
No, they identified the ports the popular free speed check software used and then wrote special rules to handle that traffic with priority so the user thought the connections were faster than they were.
Incidentally, the ISP I worked for once specifically gamed the speed testing software with special rules in the network infrastructure for that type of traffic so it would always be prioritized.
Not really -- it will just be diluted until not a single homeopathy vendor remains, but the market will retain the essence of the original vendors and the effect will be even more potent.
When you say "I was told" "some people in my family"/"at least 2 people" it is an anecdote (to us).
Kind of like your story is to me.
Yes. Maybe the Russians stole it?
It was probably the aliens idea of a joke.
Huh?! It didn't run for "hours".
So you admit you weren't paying attention
No such thing as ADD or dsylexia then.
If you do your maths I have to be somewhere between 53 and 67 (between 5 and 18 at the time, ).
So, back then would they have called you "A little fucken smart arse" instead?
Do you not have complete memories of important, much heralded events during that time?
When I lost my virginity?
It helps that television was very new - we "watched" it then
YOU WERE WATCHING!!! Well, I suppose you're only human.
(and wearing onions on our belts was a custom at the time, back in nineteen dicketty doo).
Generation triple X, read all about the weed smoke and the kinky sex, get fucked.
There's the problem! [brains are probably soft as their arteries, mutter, mutter]
I think you are onto something.
... and have all the facts. Otherwise you run a strong risk of finding only facts that support a preconceived rationale.
HooRay for Hollywood!!! Vested interests exist, so the truth is constantly raped. Thanks for sharing what you heard, as I said I'm not committed to a view on this, it is interesting.
The one we didn't vote for (1988) - thanks to Alan Jones and other conspiracy nutters. As such the only constitutional rights we have is free trade between states - which we do not have.
Indeed he is a cunt, but the apathetic morons that listen to him are worse. He sucked a lot of cock to get where he is today and is proud of it.
If you want to pursue conspiracies
Too busy reading legislative articles, writing letters and lobbying to preserve the minor sheds of freedom we have left to have time. Why is it that the only time the two parties agree is when it is to pass some laws to become more intrusive.
That it is no conspiracy and I agree, Australia needs a bill of rights.
It's a binary thing, and I'm not relying on anecdotes. I know what I heard, and I've heard a lot of conspiracy stories since. I've discussed it with family and friends since - who also remember the actual event
My bad, I didn't mean anecdotal (posting tired). They were family members who heard those words from the broadcast and have maintained the story with no variation.
No. Your response is arrogant - or do you call dismissing the opinion of the majority in favor of the opinions of a few, open-minded?
Apologies, I was tired a not doing very good job of not taking it personally because it was family and I didn't express myself properly. I had doubt myself
It didn't? Which article - the one referenced by the/. story? Or the one it sourced?:- "We are not contending that they did not fly [to the moon], and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific — or perhaps cultural — artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened," Markin wrote.
Sorry, I'd closed that down because the ads were annoying. It's a tragic loss, to see the high res film instead of a film of a monitor in B/W would be an appropriate use of the word awesome.
It's a bothersome mindworm though.
I suspect it's just a case of "don't criticise us about the Ukraine or our hosting the 2018 FIFA"
Not an unreasonable premise.
What are you trying to say? That you can't do maths - or am ad-hominen attack properly? (if they're 20 years older than me they've been pensioners for some time - maybe there's an organic explanation? see that's how it's done)
Not at all, no attack intended, just tired. I don't know many children can maintain that attention for that many hours. I'd agree with you on the organic explanation but the story has been maintained for well over 30 years. I just don't see a punchline anytime soon.
That my parents, uncles (including one who worked at Parkes as a non-NASA employee at the time), aunties, teachers and many thousands of other "non-school age" Australians are part of the same conspiracy? (bear in mind we didn't have fluoridated water in our youth).
Well I don't believe they have maintained a lie either, I have no idea what it means. They don't drink, smoke or take drugs. I'm not committed to any view point on the matter and maybe I'll get to listen to the whole thing one day.
I'm curious and wouldn't be at all surprised if that happened, not that it'd mean that much given that members of congress believe all sorts of wacky shit - and represent some truly weird beliefs.
Who knows, there are so many lies out there and so many amazing stories sound like wacky shit. You can pursue the truth if you can evaluate it rationally.
(as do some of our senators e.g. the shower of stupid that came down prior to the Bill of Rights referendum).
Which Bill of Rights?
Do you have a reference for that, and how much weight do you believe it adds to the conspiracy?
I wish I did, but it was never important enough to my to bother with. I wanted to dismiss it. But I went from doubt to WTF!
At best someone has been yanking your chain. You say you heard that from someone who saw it - almost every Australian from a few years younger than me - to 5 years older would have watched (tv wasn't in every home, but most schools had one, even if they borrowed it) it -
Wow, that's a pretty absolute statement to make. Don't you think you are being a little bite arrogant? I said, 'Anecdotal' and 'I don't go in for the whole UFO thing or conspiracy theories about the moon landings' so apart from giving them the benefit of the doubt that was the limit of my chain being yanked.
I was speculating on what the Russian government wanted investigated about the moon landing because it didn't say in the article. I wasn't there so I don't have the benefit of what you saw in school but I do know that it was at least 2 people who told me the same thing and they had adult mature brains with an adult capacity for memory, making them approximately 20 years older than you at the time. Still, I had some doubt.
yet only the supposed source of you anecdote heard "Huston, Huston, There is something large and unusually* white coming off the crater ri..." and then the feed was cut?!
The feed wasn't "cut" either.
I don't claim that what I know is the truth, are you? I was curious about what other people had heard because, yes, I doubted it myself until I read about a U.S Congressman asking Congress question about exactly the same statement by Apollo 11. It wasn't what I expected to find.
So maybe they weren't the only ones who heard those words. I didn't, either.
Slashdot Mirror
Confirming Apple has won the Streaming War.
But not the users or musicians. See that's the thing with the whole fanboi attitude - someone has to loose for their choice to win. Winning for you means we are forced into your choices, not because it is a better choice, but because all the other choices have been eliminated. Somehow, you think that is good.
Apple is becoming more like Microsoft used to be every day and guys like you cheer it on exactly the same way the MS fanbois used to.
Same shit, different bucket.
Maybe you should be worried more about your control on reality. And using Android ain't going to help.
And here I am being modded a troll because I'm offering my opinion on *not* using itunes. FYI: I've never had any problems, at all with my music collection because I choose to control my reality.
That means I choose not to have iTunes abstract that control.
It has nothing to do with Android. OSX uses Free BSD components and whilst Apple is happy to take from the open source community Apple is not so happy to share with or even acknowledge the community of developers that OSX owes its existence to. Case in point, I can run posix apps on OSX, but can I run iTunes on FreeBSD - I somehow doubt it.
If you don't use iTunes, and admit to this level of ignorance about how it works, then please stop providing your baseless opinions about it.
Is false.
I was talking about my experience as an advanced user and the lack of problems I have managing my music collection, I never claimed to be talking about itunes.
All your purchased and ripped music is stored in a nice folder called 'Music', helpfully organised by artist. The files within are un-protected AAC or MP3 files.
Great - has someone told Bruce Willis?
I will say that streaming music is a very bad deal for artists though, so I think I'll stick to CDs.
True that!
also, good luck with your five scripts, finding double songs that are a different filesize and have different names, e.g.or adding album covers.
works fine, i.e. advanced user.
Don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have an iPhone and nothing is streamed. Any music I listen is stored on the device.
I don't use itunes so I wouldn't know how the music gets on the device, I thought it was streamed AAC, my mistake. I don't understand what the complaints are about however I do like to maintain control over my music collection.
So as long as you have an itunes to manage it, I don't think it is so easy to step out of the walled garden once you step into it.
Meanwhile the factory ship goes on destroying more in its by-catch leaving a corridor of nothing behind. Of course the solution will be to kill the remaining sharks and let the fucktory ships go about their business.
We are clearly a race navel gazing it's way to extinction.
And now we know why Linux will never be more then a blip on the desktop radar. That superiority complex drives everyone away. Enjoy your crappy buggy software. The OS is just there so we can run the applications, and all your applications are amateurish and shitty.
You're a great example of the parasites every great endeavour attracts.
No, but seriously, many advance users do not care to have advanced control over their music library.
And you base your opinion on?
When I see an 'advanced' apple user going into a tunnel on the train I just chuckle and turn my cheap mp3 player up a bit more to drown out their complaints. They made their choice.
I still have control over my music collection and it still grows. Advanced users don't do use itunes, they use whatever they damn well please because they don't need Apples software. As far as 'control over your music organization' goes a few regular expressions and a 5 line shell script are enough to sort any mess.
If only enough people that mattered used Safari.
You mean other than CxOs and VPs that carry an iPhone and/or iPad?
No I mean accountants and ERP users that actually use applications in the enterprise. C-levels and VPs are a very small group of users, important, but only if you are managing stakeholder expectations.
Oh and I can see the fanbois are out modding again and taking everything personally.
I would rather like to know why the tax payer is on the hook for a failed project from a contractor? The US government needs to stop negotiating these one-sided contracts where we the buyer take all the liability. If the contractor fails, we don't pay, period.
There just aren't enough mod points for this comment.
Drones with weapons aren't autonomous.
Yet.
If Safari is the new internet explorer then that's not bad. If Safari is the old internet explorer then that's really bad.
If only enough people that mattered used Safari. Deploying an enterprise based web application using Safari the way dependency on IE6 was created is unlikely to happen again.
Why should it be any other way?
Well, I think some people do the work do it because they want to be good at it and, they enjoy it. They pursue challenges for the skill sets and visa versa. So being genuinely productive is a way to acquire new skill sets for yourself so everything is under control.
That's why the best IT professionals rarely work big hours, they don't need to.
Time and again experience shows there's more profit in looking productive than actually being productive -and arguably, being experienced in looking productive more than being productive will help you climbing the corporate ladder once you go into management.
I've noticed. For me though, I'm not doing a role just so they can get something out of me, I have my own objectives otherwise I wouldn't even be there. Acquiring talent with technology is still a discipline with difficult and interesting challenges - why else would you put up with the crap.
Management is a different set of skill sets where softer skills are important. Any programmer who wants to become a management person should focus on developing their people skills.
Actually, programmers should do that anyway, however it is impossible to become a good manager without having good people skills. Project management, budgeting, negotiating, and more to become a good manager.
The programmers path to management lays in developing emotional intelligence, empathy and awareness of others, reading body language, especially for leadership roles. So in some respect, it's not so much the path to management but what will you do to change so that you can accommodate those soft skills.
Unfortunately there are plenty of managers around who think that the person who knocks off at 5.30 is not a "team player", regardless of whether they get their work done. And they'll reflect this moronic point of view in their review of the employee.
So true, they don't take into account that some people know when it is time to go home instead of become a hollow shell of a being.
They don't care that you're old, they care that you either can't or won't put in tons of overtime they don't pay you for.
Since people work for free the expectation is there but it can't be put into a contract, so ultimately it is still a choice. At issue is whether or not someone can maintain their productivity if they consistently work back.
I think it is the social norm that should change. People seen staying back and working overtime used to be seen as the 'go-getters' when people worked a normal 8 hour day. Now most people do it for no other reason than they are too spineless to buck the trend and actually *be* productive as opposed to looking productive.
The idea that repetitive (as opposed to transient) overtime is a jerk move that steal employment opportunities from your peers needs to permeates our culture. It's the same behavior as the asshole that comes into work with the flu to be a hero and a week later the rest of the office has to suffer it.
No needs that person around.
Besides I'm unclear if the RTG was justified for this mission mass or duration wise.
It would have massed about 1/10th the solar panels and lasted longer.
That looks like a guess. Are you able to cite the mass of the solar cells and rtg vs the power requirements of the lander?
"Justified" doesn't enter the equation.
Yes it does. The availability of pu238 (IIRC) used in the rtg is scarce. The duration of the mission isn't multiple decades in deep space where you have to keep electronics warm and supply electricity.
Additionally the rtg degrades and the lander was in storage while the rtg produced it's peak power output. That means the characteristics of the mission would defeat the need of the lander to have an rtg.
So it doesn't make sense to put the mission planning through the additional logistics for a craft that is going to be destroyed anyway.
I think this whole rtg discussion is a case of Captain Hindsight not really knowing the situation.
Your statement is ambiguous.
No, it is not.
Yes, it is. I find it ambiguous, so it is ambiguous.
You say it started before breakfast
Bullshit. You lie and leave tracks. I wrote Huh?! The radio broadcast started before breakfast, but it was a normal school day until just before lunch. The television broadcast (via Parkes) started just before lunch East Coast Time. It didn't run for "hours". No such thing as ADD or dsylexia then.
It is your message. The responsibility for communicating it accurately is yours. So instead of rushing to take offence just resolve the ambiguity, it is not as if I'm trying to insult you.
1) Did you listen to the live radio broadcast?
2) When did it start and end?
3) When did you start and stop listening?
Your statement is ambiguous. You say it started before breakfast and television broadcast (via Parkes) started just before lunch and fail to say when you stop watching or when it ended for you.
Without any accuracy and specificity in your response my level of attention is irrelevant. "did not run for hours" implies sometime less than 1 hour and 59 minutes, before breakfast to just before lunch implies at least 3 hours, even though you didn't connect the two statements. Therefore, based on the information you supplied, I can imply that you watched it for between 1 and 119 minutes. How long you watched and listened to whatever broadcasts were made was what I was interested in.
From the wiki:
The people I am talking about took the *entire* day off to watch and listen to *everything*. From the duration of the mission on the moon perhaps more than two hours was broadcast from the surface of the moon. Maybe they saw something you did not *see* or *listen* to or it was an earlier broadcast, considering the duration of the landing. I was simply giving you the benefit of the doubt with your answer. As I said, I'm not committed to any opinion on the matter, I was just wondering what other people saw and heard and you have told me that so thank you.
Yes. I considered that now-a-days, instead of calling you a 'fucken little smart arse' and giving you a slap in the head, they medicate you and fuck your head instead. It wasn't about you.
Sometimes smart arses are entertaining. The opposite could also be a dumb cunt, a smart cunt or a dick head, however the obvious the reason appears to be you taking the conversation too seriously. Again, not having a go at you.
yes, they were slow news days, I was incredibly fortunate that no-one had anything better to do, than me.
Agree, I was speculating about the motives.
Indeed, so I generally focus on the the things I can do something about. Unfortunately the general public's apathy isn't a problem I can solve.
So you made your bit torrent client look like a speed test?
No, they identified the ports the popular free speed check software used and then wrote special rules to handle that traffic with priority so the user thought the connections were faster than they were.
Assholes.
Incidentally, the ISP I worked for once specifically gamed the speed testing software with special rules in the network infrastructure for that type of traffic so it would always be prioritized.
Assholes.
Since they can't get their way to squeeze more profit from their customers, they'll punish them instead.
Assholes.
Not really -- it will just be diluted until not a single homeopathy vendor remains, but the market will retain the essence of the original vendors and the effect will be even more potent.
Oh, I see what you did there - nice work!
When you say "I was told" "some people in my family"/"at least 2 people" it is an anecdote (to us).
Kind of like your story is to me.
Yes. Maybe the Russians stole it?
It was probably the aliens idea of a joke.
Huh?! It didn't run for "hours".
So you admit you weren't paying attention
No such thing as ADD or dsylexia then.
If you do your maths I have to be somewhere between 53 and 67 (between 5 and 18 at the time, ).
So, back then would they have called you "A little fucken smart arse" instead?
Do you not have complete memories of important, much heralded events during that time?
When I lost my virginity?
It helps that television was very new - we "watched" it then
YOU WERE WATCHING!!! Well, I suppose you're only human.
(and wearing onions on our belts was a custom at the time, back in nineteen dicketty doo).
Generation triple X, read all about the weed smoke and the kinky sex, get fucked.
There's the problem! [brains are probably soft as their arteries, mutter, mutter]
I think you are onto something.
... and have all the facts. Otherwise you run a strong risk of finding only facts that support a preconceived rationale.
HooRay for Hollywood!!! Vested interests exist, so the truth is constantly raped. Thanks for sharing what you heard, as I said I'm not committed to a view on this, it is interesting.
The one we didn't vote for (1988) - thanks to Alan Jones and other conspiracy nutters. As such the only constitutional rights we have is free trade between states - which we do not have.
Indeed he is a cunt, but the apathetic morons that listen to him are worse. He sucked a lot of cock to get where he is today and is proud of it.
If you want to pursue conspiracies
Too busy reading legislative articles, writing letters and lobbying to preserve the minor sheds of freedom we have left to have time. Why is it that the only time the two parties agree is when it is to pass some laws to become more intrusive.
That it is no conspiracy and I agree, Australia needs a bill of rights.
It's a binary thing, and I'm not relying on anecdotes. I know what I heard, and I've heard a lot of conspiracy stories since. I've discussed it with family and friends since - who also remember the actual event
My bad, I didn't mean anecdotal (posting tired). They were family members who heard those words from the broadcast and have maintained the story with no variation.
No. Your response is arrogant - or do you call dismissing the opinion of the majority in favor of the opinions of a few, open-minded?
Apologies, I was tired a not doing very good job of not taking it personally because it was family and I didn't express myself properly. I had doubt myself
It didn't? Which article - the one referenced by the /. story? Or the one it sourced?:- "We are not contending that they did not fly [to the moon], and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific — or perhaps cultural — artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened," Markin wrote.
Sorry, I'd closed that down because the ads were annoying. It's a tragic loss, to see the high res film instead of a film of a monitor in B/W would be an appropriate use of the word awesome.
It's a bothersome mindworm though.
I suspect it's just a case of "don't criticise us about the Ukraine or our hosting the 2018 FIFA"
Not an unreasonable premise.
What are you trying to say? That you can't do maths - or am ad-hominen attack properly? (if they're 20 years older than me they've been pensioners for some time - maybe there's an organic explanation? see that's how it's done)
Not at all, no attack intended, just tired. I don't know many children can maintain that attention for that many hours. I'd agree with you on the organic explanation but the story has been maintained for well over 30 years. I just don't see a punchline anytime soon.
That my parents, uncles (including one who worked at Parkes as a non-NASA employee at the time), aunties, teachers and many thousands of other "non-school age" Australians are part of the same conspiracy? (bear in mind we didn't have fluoridated water in our youth).
Well I don't believe they have maintained a lie either, I have no idea what it means. They don't drink, smoke or take drugs. I'm not committed to any view point on the matter and maybe I'll get to listen to the whole thing one day.
I'm curious and wouldn't be at all surprised if that happened, not that it'd mean that much given that members of congress believe all sorts of wacky shit - and represent some truly weird beliefs.
Who knows, there are so many lies out there and so many amazing stories sound like wacky shit. You can pursue the truth if you can evaluate it rationally.
(as do some of our senators e.g. the shower of stupid that came down prior to the Bill of Rights referendum).
Which Bill of Rights?
Do you have a reference for that, and how much weight do you believe it adds to the conspiracy?
I wish I did, but it was never important enough to my to bother with. I wanted to dismiss it. But I went from doubt to WTF!
At best someone has been yanking your chain. You say you heard that from someone who saw it - almost every Australian from a few years younger than me - to 5 years older would have watched (tv wasn't in every home, but most schools had one, even if they borrowed it) it -
Wow, that's a pretty absolute statement to make. Don't you think you are being a little bite arrogant? I said, 'Anecdotal' and 'I don't go in for the whole UFO thing or conspiracy theories about the moon landings' so apart from giving them the benefit of the doubt that was the limit of my chain being yanked.
I was speculating on what the Russian government wanted investigated about the moon landing because it didn't say in the article. I wasn't there so I don't have the benefit of what you saw in school but I do know that it was at least 2 people who told me the same thing and they had adult mature brains with an adult capacity for memory, making them approximately 20 years older than you at the time. Still, I had some doubt.
yet only the supposed source of you anecdote heard "Huston, Huston, There is something large and unusually* white coming off the crater ri..." and then the feed was cut?!
The feed wasn't "cut" either.
I don't claim that what I know is the truth, are you? I was curious about what other people had heard because, yes, I doubted it myself until I read about a U.S Congressman asking Congress question about exactly the same statement by Apollo 11. It wasn't what I expected to find.
So maybe they weren't the only ones who heard those words. I didn't, either.