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Russian Official Calls For "International Investigation" of the Apollo Program
MarkWhittington writes: According to a Tuesday article in the Moscow Times, a spokesman for Russia's Investigative Committee named Vladimir Markin suggested that an international investigation be mounted into some of the "various murky details surrounding the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972." Markin would particularly like to know where some of the missing moon rocks went to and why the original footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing was erased. Markin hastened to add that he is, of course, not suggesting that NASA faked the moon landings and just filmed the events in a studio.
Of course he's not suggesting that. He's suggesting that Putin wants another sideshow and is desperate enough to think this'll do it....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Next they'll be telling us that Jesus had a dinosaur ranch.
Does Roscosmos think it was faked or not?
Vladimir Putin opened "Patriot Park," a Vladimir Putin-themed Soviet military theme park, in order to get children to play with guns.
There, saved you reading the article.
Will Buzz Aldrin please pick up the white courtesy phone? We have need of your your services.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
From T first FA:
Venting his frustration with what he viewed as "U.S. prosecutors having declared themselves the supreme arbiters of international football affairs," Markin proposed that international investigators could likewise examine some of the murkier elements of America's past.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Ivan is very good at using spy satilites, why not train those cold war rusting boxes on the moon and photograph it?
It's a sideshow war
Gently reply
Why not solve the riddle of why Cheney called off NORAD on 9/11 too?
He is just a moron. A Putin's moron to be exact.
Maybe if they believe we've never been there they'll restart the Space Race in an effort to get there first.
Here's why various moon rocks have gone missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGhKzUUaME
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"""Markin hastened to add that he is, of course, not suggesting that NASA faked the moon landings and just filmed the events in a studio."""
Thats exactly what he is suggesting and he'd be right ? Or would he be wrong ?
Watch 'A Funny thing happend on the way to the moon' and 'Astronauts gone wild' to find out me thinks.
A while back there was a huge hunt to find the original tapes used to record the lunar landing. It is suspected that the tape was re-used due to NASA's tight budget and they couldn't afford more tape. The tape was very expensive at the time so it was common to just re-use what they could find. The Apollo mission was done, so why would they need to keep the tape around. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time.
That or it's stashed under someone's coffee table and forgotten about.
Fine, go ahead Russia, spend a chunk of your GDP and put some boots on the Moon and fact check the U.S.
Oh yeah, make sure to make some more nuclear missiles. That's not cheap either, but security!
But wait...weren't these exact activities what caused the USSR to bankrupt themselves back in the 90's? Just checking.
No hate Russia, but you need to rein in your rhetoric. You have been beaten by playing this hand before.
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Find the lost Doctor Who episodes, and you will find your answer. Probably not, but I would be happy. I want to see the Marco Polo serial.
So, some guy from a Russian Investigative Committee for ... what exactly? Snide innuendo and propaganda?
Does he have a mandate for something?
This is some idiot trying to throw around smoke about the fact that Russia is implicated in bribery with FIFA, and then somehow pulling the bullshit nugget out of his as to fling poo at the moon landings?
I wonder if Mr Vladimir Markin has stopped sodomizing young boys and embezzling resources from the state.
This article is such thinly veiled rhetoric and bullshit as to be deserving of a fucking award.
In three paragraphs he bitches about what we really wants to complain about, tosses in a snide reference to Americans investigating corruption, and then insinuiates that maybe there are other pieces of history for which the Americans have also acted corrupt and dishonorably. There's not even a pretense of denying Russia was corrupt.
Then the next two paragraphs is more innuendo to throw the reader away from realizing that Russia is alleged to have benefited from corruption in FIFA
I sincerely hope journalism classes are doing a case study in propaganda, and logic students everywhere are being shown the bald-faced, lies, innuendo, and misdirection in this utter piece of crap.
Bra-fucking-oh, I hadn't realized the extent to which the press in Moscow was still so utterly a tool of government.
That's some exceptionally well done lies right there. Carefully crafted to look like a reasoned argument, when in fact it's specious misdirection and innuendo.
I certainly hope that Mr Vladimir Markin doesn't have too many children out of wedlock, that could get awfully expensive.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Just when I thought the fake moon landing conversation had ended.
It will not end until the truth comes out. When I was a kid, I went on the Universal Studio tour, and when I went to the toilet, the tram left without me. So I looked around, and accidentally wandered into the warehouse with the fake Tranquility Base. Everything was done in Styrofoam, painted gray to match the color of the moon. There was an exact replica of the Eagle lander. I saw it all with my own eyes. Then the security guards grabbed me, threatened me, and told me that no one would believe me if I said anything. It is ironic that after all these years, it is the Russians that have finally revealed the coverup.
Well, here you go Mr. Putin; here are the tapes that you have been looking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Since this contains content of a . . . well . . . "confidential" nature . . . you should view this late at night, after your wife has gone to bed.
. . . and don't forget a box of tissues, and some hand cream.
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And the rest of your delusional Russians comrades. Go march in a Stalin "victory" parade and fantasize about your fictional history as a great nation.
You don't get to "investigate" your betters.
Obviously NASA has nothing to hide and would welcome such an investigation.
The proof.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
He went on to say "I'm very skeptical, since the background in a lot of those moon photos looks just like the set we used to film those attacks on defenseless Russians by Ukrainian thugs...uh...um...I mean...nevermind."
Clearly fake. I can tell from some of the pixels.
Okay, okay, the bottom 90% of the vehicle that gets to a translunar trajectory is real because we saw it go up and disappear. But the top 10% was faked. That makes sense.
What about the Ant People? They owe us money.
Missing? How could we let that happen? Those were the *last* moon rocks!
Now we can label moon landing sceptics (and with luck many other subspecies) as commie loving freedom haters.
Wrong in so many ways, true. But I bet it'd stick.
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Sure, because apparently the USSR didn't have radio telescopes tracking the missions. 'Cause they weren't really interested in moon shots back then, right? Free lunar telemetry for anyone pointing their dishes in the right spot? Pfft, no thank you.
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by the fast food companies. They load the food with genetically engineered microbes that kill off and replace the microbes that normally populate our guts. These microbes bear payloads of prions that can pass the blood-brain barrier and target the pleasure centers in the brain causing us to become addicted to the fast food. This causes us to gain weight. The pharmaceutical companies are in on the plot in order to sell more diabetes and other obesity-related health problem medications.
The real shock will come when we learn that true masters of the fast food companies and pharmaceutical companies are actually aliens from another planet who are fattening us up like so many cattle, before they come en mass to slaughter us for food.
THAT is what should be investigated!
The secret died with Stanley Kubrick.
http://realitysandwich.com/232...
You are welcome on my lawn.
We'll let them go to the moon themselves and investigate in exchange for the U.S. Investigating eastern Ukraine and the Russian borderlands thereabouts. Both are foreign hostile environments.
Let them go look for themselves...
Did they also spray you with rum, so no one will believe your story?
Scoreboard: when ALL the other teams walk away after looking at the final score. that's what happened in 1969.
Maybe he watched a youtube video by Richard Hoagland and believes there's an ancient 250 million year old disintegrating (from micrometeorite impacts), domed city of mile-high skyscrapers on the dark side of the moon. Furthermore, that NASA decided to classify it all and said 'we'll deal with all that later'. Interesting delusion, and would make a decent sci-fi book if you're a creative writer type.
No, Apollo took place before aerospace became more about money than aerospace and also took place before the 1971 bankruptcy of the US, The Apollo program did run it's course. There were a number of country's that captured and relayed the actual footage. Sad part about it is the Apollo program ending and the space shuttle program ending with the death of teachers then being put on a spy mission that failed was not the actual Kennedy space program. There were only a handful of people that knew what was going on with it, I knew two and one died in 1964, the other in 1996.
There are people who claim that was just recorded on a set in a studio, too! Crackpots!
There are few if any missing moon rocks. Other than the small ones gifted to politicians... While there may be many missing samples these are extremely tiny and often intended to be consumed by whatever test they were being subjected to. http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2011/dec/0222.html Nothing to be concerned about here, lots of other things do deserve our attention.
If it did indeed happen, this will end all the conspiracy theories regarding the subject once and for all.
If it didn't... I can't say I'd be surprised considering how desperate Americans were to save face after a "poor" and "incompetent" communist country beat them to space.
Anyway, the whole thing is so selfish, anyway. Americans claim they did it for humanity yet they never shared their know-how with the rest of the world so others could attempt the same feat and later build on their knowledge for the betterment of the WHOLE world.
I went to college in US and for some reason the subject of moon landing came up. Somebody asked the professor why we're not doing it anymore and he said no one knows how anymore. Okay, so things like pen and paper didn't exist then or what? No one bothered to document the process of an important historical event?
Bring on the investigation.
They lost the footage because it clearly shows a TARDIS in the background. Can't have everyone knowing The Doctor is real, now can they?
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Ok so this is completely anecdotal from some people in my family who watched it in Australia. They watched/listened to it live off the feed from Parkes and a bit after the Eagle landed they heard a very excited Armstrong say: "Huston, Huston, There is something large and unusually* white coming off the crater ri..." and then the feed was cut.
* could have also been suspiciously.
Personally, I don't go in for the whole UFO thing or conspiracy theories about the moon landings but they have both maintained this story as what they both heard. I always thought those stories were just covers for intelligence operations - which seemed more feasible. I just think the moon landings were a pretty amazing achievement.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Markin hastened to add that he is, of course, not suggesting that NASA faked the moon landings and just filmed the events in a studio.
I just came here to say, f*ck right the way off, waaaay over there, whoever is peddling this old crap. sheesh.
"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said. "we have a protractor"
You would not know what the truth was if it announced itself to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It's all part of a plot by Russia to make US government officials appear semi-sane ensuring our continued ineffectiveness on the world stage.
Some privacy policy Slashdot.
Putin should merge with Trump. Very similar personalities.
Table-ized A.I.
Ha, I've seen the Marco Polo serial.
Mind, I was about ten at the time; it was being broadcast on CBC I think the year after it first aired on BBC.
About all I remember from it is a scene where they're crossing the desert, the TARDIS being carried in a wagon, and The Doctor supplies water to the party "collected from condensation on the inside walls", and the incredulity of the others who aren't aware that the TARDIS is smaller on the outside.
Also saw the first Dalek episodes when originally aired on CBC. Probably others too, but not as well remembered.
-- Alastair
Come on, that was better.
Sounds to me like the Russians are desperate for a distraction from their domestic problems and their international floundering.
The moon rocks go missing because they aren't well protected and are rarer than gold.
Many of the odd statements issued by NASA were just run of the mill anti-spying stories. For example the space suits from that time are "to keep astronauts warm in the cold of space". If you in a perfect vacuum and generating 170 Watts, you don't need heating. The real story is that the US used Peltier effect cooling and the Soviets used compressor based systems. Since the people who controlled what technology could be talked about thought the Russians were behind the US, they made up a story and stuck to it. The real reason for the difference is that the Russians could build reliable compressors that worked in space and the US had a lead in the Peltier technology even as both sides experimented with the other technology.
It will not end until the truth comes out
The truth is once they ran the numbers for how much the program was going to cost, they decided to fake it. Then they ran the numbers on developing the technology to convincingly fake it, and that was even worse. So they sent some guys to the moon in a rocket and faked it from there.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Tell them the missing rocks are right next to Kraft's Superbowl ring.
Table-ized A.I.
Anyone with a bit of sense understands the difference. The reason the US can indict these FIFA officials is because they made the mistake of committing financial crimes that involved the US in some way. Either using US banks, or with US citizens/companies, or in the US. That makes it something the US can prosecute for, and obviously Interpol agrees.
Investigating the US space program. Ummm, well I mean you can "investigate" in terms of "Collect whatever evidence you can get your hands on and release a report," but that's all. No criminal case can be brought for anything since it is all in the US. They can't declare jurisdiction, the US would never agree (nor would international law) and the US has a big enough army that they can make that decision.
Master reel-to-reel tape was fucking expensive. So small time bands didn't keep the masters, or intermediate multi-track recordings. They instead reused tape that had already been used, and was then used again.
Even these days, plenty of time master recordings aren't kept. For professional productions they usually are but for others stuff often not. At work I do recordings some times and they are AVCHD recorded to internal flash in the camera. That gets erased and reused of course. When I dump the data, I keep it long enough to edit down the video and make sure the result is good, then purge it. It is too large to be worth keeping around. We could buy storage for it, but we don't.
the best comment on this ridiculous story - thanks to Mr Markin for making the Russian state look really stupid - it's nice to have some help from the other side with the public relations wars
Joseph H Stalin on Stick, you guys have a freaking space program. Get off your lazy arses and go take a look for yourself.
Why can't both the real moon landing and the fake both be true? The US would be able to save face if the real moon landing had issues. Propaganda.
But just remember that the CIA is capable of anything, eg stuffing a plane full of dead bodies (they have vast freezers of "victims" ready to go! Such fiendishness!) and having it shot down over eastern Ukraine to make us Russians look bad; but not NASA, that space stuff is all make believe-ski.
My favorite thing in this discussion would be Nvidia's rendering of a moon landing, and their diatribe:
http://www.nvidia.com/coolstuf...
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Yea, it would be nice to go back and look at the special effects in the Apollo landing and see how well they hold up, right? Oh wait, N.A.S,A. reused or just plain lost the original video of the most fantastic technical accomplishment of the twentieth century and so now we can't. Is that what we are to believe? The special effects hold up pretty darn well as long as no one is able to actually look at them again.
Its a shame to see what has become of the Soviet Buran program. And this guy wants to investigate that country whose retired shuttle program assets have become prized museum attractions? Sure thing, pal.
The Examiner article is not even readable. How can they pass this shite off as news?
Time to investigate
Anyone with a bit of sense understands the difference.
I hope I have a bit of sense. ;-)
It's grumbling because he's "venting his frustration" per the article.
It's grandstanding because he calls the supposed mystery behind missing videos and moon rocks is a "common loss" to the "legacy of humanity."
I agree with everything else in your post.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Clearly this is a conspiracy leaked to the Russians by Snowden. Detailing the true nature of project Apollo to make first contact with the Mooninites.
Only you thought moon landing! hah!
Better not let them get anywhere near Buzz....He decked a guy some years ago that had hounded him trying to get him to say that it was all a fake. They are just pissed that 40+ years have gone by and they were still THE LOSERS!
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Lake Wobegone was faked. Every week for FORTY YEARS!
Don't even get me started about Paul Bunyan.
it will continue to decay
for those of you thinking its displays in ukraine, and georgia in 2008, make it muscular, remember that it wasn't too long ago those countries were part of the same geopolitical entity. the longer term arc is clear decay
also, i look forward to china, with boundary disputes with pretty much all of its neighbors, and flexing increasingly impressive economic and military muscles, figuring out that sand bars in the south china sea stolen form vietnam and the philippines are not as interesting as winning back expansive and resource rich outer manchuria, actual genuine ancient chinese territory (unlike the sandbars), stolen from china by russia in the 1850s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
russia's economy is a fucking joke. it could have diversified but decided becoming an oligarch petrostate was the way to go. which actually was great until the price of oil collapsed. brittle fragile and shortsighted
russia is run by a mafia thug, and it regularly douses its people with ultranationalist lies and propaganda. making your people stupid and lying to them isn't strength, it makes your society weak
the next maidan square will be in moscow. people can't be lied to constantly with paranoid ignorant crap and not eventually wake up
politically weak, economically weak, socially weak. and soon, 10-20 years, militarily weak. because that's what happens when your economy sucks and your people don't believe you anymore
the next russian implosion will make the russia civil war of a hundred years ago look tame
and it is definitely coming. not in the next 5 years. but in the next 10-20 absolutely. russia is an isolated neoimperial pariah with a weakening economy and one thug with an ego and a chip on his shoulder calling all the shots
a shame
russia could have become a modern democracy
but russian morons would apparently like to worship the cult of personality bullshit of one ex-kgb thug. because that is "strength"
sorry russia. there will be a lot more pain for you like your grandparents and great grandparents. you and your children apparently must suffer again. and you only have yourself to blame for it, for putting all your eggs in one basket: putin the preening goon
germany/ poland: you're getting konigsberg back
finland: get ready to reintegrate karelia
romania you're getting moldova
chechnya you're getting your independence, dagestan too
georgia you're getting abkhasia back, ukraine of course crimea
turkey you should get circassian lands
japan you're finally getting the kuril's back and why not sakhalin
i look forward to the new nation of the novosibirsk republic. tuva, welcome also to the parade of nations
japan/ usa/ canada: you may need to at least occupy kamchatka to keep it from china, on the pretense of civil safety and guarding rogue nukes
10-20 years, russia implodes
mark this post
get ready to carve it up boys, russia is a dead man walking
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... is how the lunar hoax conspiracy theorists don't seem to spend much time pondering the launches of the Saturn Vs. These were very public events witnessed by thousands of people. Was each and every one of this people brainwashed into thinking they say a launch? If that seems unlikely, what exactly was going on with the 363 foot tall rockets blasting off into space if they weren't going to the moon? Why bother to build something that had the capability, and then launch it for real, but then let it hang in orbit instead of going all the way. Oh, well, the lunar hoax theorists I've run across were always idiots, I guess I shouldn't care what they think.
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Okay, so I decided to do a little digging on the actual op-ed piece. It's available here: http://izvestia.ru/news/587742
Here is a translation of what he said regarding the moon landings, courtesy of washington post:
“No, we are not saying they never flew up there and just filmed a movie instead. But all these scientific, or perhaps even cultural artifacts are part of an international human heritage, and their disappearance is a great loss for all of us. An investigation would reveal [what happened and where they are].”
This is ALL he says about the moon landings. The slashdot post insinuates, "various murky details surrounding the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972." but the actual piece after translation and in context with the corruption tone of the article looks like an accusation of US officials selling off or stealing material recovered from the moon. Not an accusation that the US never went to the moon. He even explicitly says that's not what he's questioning.
But I guess we gotta get our pitchforks and torches out because it's the evil bad Russia.
What about the rumors that Putin is a animatronic doll controlled by the Soviet underground Nazi-party? Where is the international investigation for that? I'm not saying that the lack of an investigation, points to a greater conspiracy. But it couldn't hurt to finally get an end to this controversy, right?
Everyone knows the moon landings were filmed on a soundstage on Mars!
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Ain't you never heard the saying fake it till you make it? Yah dang gone turn coat!
And let's be tooooootally impartial. What could go wrong?
Trajectory of the rocket was not hard to calculate.
Soviet Radars closely watched the rocket.
Here is what Alexey Leonov (soviet cosmonaut) said about the hoax theory (I've translated only important part):
"... we had military unit 32103, which supported space transmission... Unlike the rest of Soviet Union, we watched Armstrong and Aldring landing on the moon... "
Grechko, another famous soviet cosmonaut adds to it:
"We know for sure that Americans landed on the moon. When we were receiving the transmission, it was from the moon, not from Hollywood"...
Add to it: hundreds of kilograms of moon soil, which are identical to several hundred grams brought to Earth by soviet robots..
before you start useless investigations like this...
"Go home Russia, you're drunk"
How does this hold up if the landing was faked or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
This issue exists and persists only to illustrate how many people will seize upon some dark conspiracy that not only 'means' nothing on its face... but if it were true and unraveled completely, would still mean nothing. I mean, think about it: there's absolutely nothing actionable in there.
People whose hobby is to fuck with people fuck with people with this fuck, as a hobby. Fuck those people.
If Moon Hoax stuff is coming from someone you love and respect... heed comments on the subject but adopt the same proud and polite tone as a potty training parent who finds a surprise package on the carpet. You cannot express dismay or anger at their poops because a life long poop anxiety is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. You need to scoop it up with their 'help', making friendly conversation about its texture and color, all the while heading to the toilet. Then it goes in and you say, "THAT's where it goes!" and they get to push the handle.
On Internet forums with strangers you don't need to actually scoop it up and take it to the potty (it is after all, someone else's web site). Just a dismissive but polite remark at the beginning that is encouraging like "That's a nice little poop you made, but let's try to get it into the potty next time."
Then find something else to discuss related to space, and discuss that.
Heed not anonymous comments on the subject, treat it as if it was Nature's Own Crap falling from the sky. You can infuriate the cowardly attention-seekers by making direct unseeing eye contact with them and their crap only to say, "How delicate is the process of crap-nucleation and how weighty is crap, that it can fall from a clear sky with no crap-clouds even visible! What a blessing!"
Shit can get personal too. The Bart Sibrel response is the only appropriate direct personal response, and of all the explorers Buzz Aldrin the only one 'man enough' to use it. The Right Stuff indeed.
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Indeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
it's means it is. country's means something belongs to the country. And the rest of your screed reads like the word salad of a brain injury patient.
Yes of course they faked fucking it up
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
FIFI is an international body has some, shall we say, opportunities for improvement.
It may be true that some body with more international credentials should fix it,
but lackling that it seems reasonable for a member of the international community to raise the first efforts.
Although the moon landings did advance all of humanity, they were not done by an international body.
As you well know, they were done by the USA. As for an international investigation, that is not necessary. We have plenty of somewhat nutty folks here who have been on top of that for decades. So far, our best tin foil hat folks have not found anything plausible to suggest the landings did not happen as published and that the recycled tapes and unaccounted for rocks are anything but the NASA beaucrats sadly doing what beaucrats do.
Again, I must thank you for the hardy laugh you provided. You have made this sad FIFI thing more bearable.
Perhaps you could provide some further humor concerning the sad, but at the same time remarkable, state of human endeavors. Politics seems to provide our comedians with endless material there.
...the gifts just keep coming...
I used to question the official story. However since Putin, that homosexual Nazi faggot who rapes children also questions the official story, I am on board full tilt. The USA went to the moon. End of story. I also used to be mildly disgusted by the homosexual practice of anal but sex. However since Putin has started his pogrom against faggots and Jews, I am not on board full speed with anal but sex. I am proud to say that my ass eats about three dicks a day. Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia. Nationalism above all else. Better to be a faggot than a Commie. Sure the USAian government is a body that preys on it's own citizens (e.g. lottery), however, the Chinese, Mexican and Russian government care even less about the USAian citizens than the USAian government. Funny how the Media has the USA in a war against religious conservatives who believe in family values and gun rights, while ignoring the atrocities of Russia, Mexico, and China. I guess the Media has been bought out. News Flash. China will do more to destroy the USAian way of life than ISIS could ever hope to do. What has my country come to when It buys rockets (for space) from Putin, who hates the USA, while waging a war against peoples who believe in putting God on a pedestal. It is strange times we live in. My beliefs mark me as a nut in today's world. However 20 years ago they would have been the norm. I haven't changed. The USA has.
Everyone knows the moon landings were filmed on a soundstage on Mars!
Yes, they first tried to do it in the Nevada desert, but they couldn't get the sound right.
If you really want the details, watch the documentary Capricorn One. You can find details on imdb.com.
If only there was a way to somehow record your memories!
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stolen from Judge Jones' decision Kitzmiller v. Dover Board knocking them back a few paces and denying the tyranny of the board, the minority, over the majority of their constituents. some other great quotes there.
1. Over 300,000 Americans were involved in the program. These people all had friends, families, and co-workers (employees at the same vendor companies that were involved other projects but saw the Apollo program work being done). In all, that's certainly over a million 1st and 2nd-hand observers to the work.
2. Millions of people saw the start and end of each mission with their own eyes. In the time leading up to each flight there were crowds of tourists flowing through KSC seeing the rockets get stacked and rolled-out and sitting on the pad being tested. There were huge crowds all along that area of the coast watching each launch and many Foridians could even see the Apollo moon rocket flights from their homes. There were also large numbers of Navy men aboard the recovery ships who either personally were involved in the recovery and interacted with the hardware and astronauts or who were nearby and saw it. No Navy aircraft carrier operates alone - there are always escort ships nearby.
3. The astronauts performed science and obtained samples and data that could not at the time be obtained by other means and which has been verified all these years later by modern probes.
4. The leaders of the Soviet Union at that time who had spies all over and their own ability to sniff-out electronic signals from spacecraft, made no assertion of fakery and indeed congratulated their then-enemy the Americans.
Any conspiratorial fakery and the efforts to cover up that fakery would have been far more costly and more prone to failure than the actual effort, which at its core was essentially a very big and expensive demonstration of physics (i.e. difficult but provably possible)
I personally knew some of the Apollo astronauts, was in the VAB when Apollo was stacked, etc and no delusional moron with aluminum foil wrapped around his cranium will convince me of anything other than either [a] he belongs in an asylum, or [b] he is evil to the core and trying to mislead others for some sick personal reasons. I never argue with these people because they are not honestly seeking truth, they are frequently just getting some weird personal 'kick' out of tweeking other people.
I'll start this comment by stating up front that a SpaceX fan.
Now with that said, imagine you're in the Russian space industry... Falcon9 / Dragon / DragonRider/ CST100 represent serious competition. At a time when the Russian economy could best be described as struggling, the last thing it needs is for SpaceX to start gobbling up the lucrative ISS lift slots. Yes, I know congress just recently decided to keep funding sending astronauts via Soyuz. However, in the longrun, once Dragon{9,Rider} prove themselves, that source of funding dries up...
Ask this question... Once SpaceX has a fully operational DragonRider... how much does that cost per seat? Would the Russian government in the face of financial short comings come to the conclusion it's cheaper to spend US $20M to send a Cosmonaut to the ISS on a SpaceX rocket instead of the cost for a whole Soyuz?
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
> the "various murky details surrounding the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972
Yes, let's relive that time in history where the US absolutely crushed your country in a come-from-behind victory.
> Falcon9 / Dragon / DragonRider/ CST100 represent serious competition
They represent the death of the Soviet launch industry. And the Chinese, Japanese, Indians and pretty much everything in the US as well. The only niches still open are heavy lift like Ariane 5, and how long will that last? Couple of years, tops.
Surprised the hell out of me, but BDB turns out to be the correct solution.
it's means it is. country's means something belongs to the country. And the rest of your screed reads like the word salad of a brain injury patient.
Actually, I am researching a brain injury that my father ended up with while in a hospital that was not the product of a stroke victim on anti-inflammatory meds. I know full well what happened and investing in moving companies could very well prove to be profitable.
"It's", the application of an apostrophe also signifies ownership of which 'course' belongs to 'program' if one were to get anal about it under the guise of harassment, "countries" also auto spell checks to "country's" with a simple fat finger of the keyboard, the object of the post was focused upon conveyance of truth rather than being tested for spelling and grammar. Now I'd expect this type of reaction of I were to author a front page article but not for a comment on one. Perhaps you have a problem not related to my use of spelling and grammar? There's a page for that; http://www.amishrakefight.org/...
Connecticut woman arrested after sexual attack on dog results in death
Colorado police issue warrant on Beth Chapman, wife of Dog the Bounty Hunter
Pennsylvania couple accused of having sex with their dog
'Dog the Bounty Hunter's' Lyssa Chapman's book reveals horrific childhood
Great site. News for Nerds indeed.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
this echoes what I've always thought. There were too many people involved too keep it a secret
I see your triangle and I'll raise you one Timecube.
I see your triangle and I'll raise you one Timecube.
The trouble with the mob is only individuals go down when they get caught, thus is where the law falls short aside from those behind the shield that hold a membership card to it and act as a black hand. Incomprehensible hypothesis is merely a way of eloquently explaining denial to a people kept in the dark and generationally made stupid. Is it really possible that thieves and killers could not be liars? Thus is where 'Timecube' actually does apply, and where a destructive form of profit picks up to provide settlement where the law falls short.
The popular story is that no matter what fancy big launch vehicle you have, it is not possible for humans to ride across the Van Allen belt, cause their brains would short out from the massive dosage of ionising cosmic radiation. Thus, low Earth orbit space stations are fine, but going over 1000km high would require rad-hardened robotic space probes or a "Space Battleship Yamato" which protects its puny human inhabitants with a few feet of solid armour against the Van Allen radiation.
The Apollo cabin, however was made of aluminium and they even lowered the inside air pressure to that of 1/3rd earthly normal, to be able to make the walls even thinner and light-weight. Paper thin Apollo cabin pressure walls could have been holed by bare hands with a few years of martial arts training or by anybody with an icepick. NASA considered the risk of micro-meteorite impacts inflight was worth it to beat those moste evile ruffians in space race. Others claim NASA was never worried, as they foreknew Apollo flight parts over 250km high are going to be faux...
This! It is very important. During the space race haydays, coloreds weren't even allowed to mop floors in NASA offices. America never went to space and then to on the Moon, only the white saxon protestans and the jewish-americans did (if they did) while theamerican negro were being beaten and shot by riot police, almost exactly 100 years after President Lincoln defeated slave-holders. Shameful!
I agree nobody can demand that coloreds (and women) recognize Moon landings as an objective reality, because history suggests the white and jewish males, with their militant and arrogant attitude cannot be trusted as progressors of a positive burden. They are seeking benefit at the detriment or even peril of coloreds and women of all shade. Thus, why would Armstrong or Aldrin tell the truth to a black, brown or yellow person or a lady? Whites are proven not altruists and there isn't a single colored person of any shade, who could first hand attest the reality of Moon landings, because whites and jews excluded them.
Thus it's real if you are a white male, but you are free to opionate if you are colored and/or a girl.
Well today is the 28th anniversary (19 June 1977) of our group sighting of 3 UFOs. Daylight and the closest one came within 12 meters of us. About 14 of us in the group. Impressive! No similarity to what appears to be Government contrived rubbish that appears in the media. Regarding the moon landing. There is evidence to support both the faked and real landing. The most likely scenario therefore is they are both correct. All that is required to tie them together is a switch to select between the video feed from the moon or the mockup hangar in Houston. If an unexpected scenario arises in the moon feed it can be switched to the duplicate enactment in the hangar. This would account for mostly all anomalies. The interesting question is why is the government covering this up. Answer appears to involve a lot of money, the Jewish population, it's leaders and the purchase / seizure of Palestine. Cue government trolls in 3, 2, 1..
I say we investigate the Russia space program during the great Space Race. It has been reported that mysterious Russian voices picked up in space by radio astronomers supposedly commented about "burning up" and suddenly silence... Other reports of slow heavy breathing.. And a rumor of a mission to the moon completely lost.
Maybe it's just the whole "we lost but let's brush the dirt under the rug so it doesn't hurt as bad"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OY9lni0F_s
See what happens when weak minded people watch Capricorn One.
-Eric
Try knowing something about anything before posting your next comment.
Moron.
I can't wait til the day Russia nukes whatever shithole you reside in.
Actually, I am researching a brain injury that my father ended up with while in a hospital that was not the product of a stroke victim on anti-inflammatory meds. I know full well what happened and investing in moving companies could very well prove to be profitable.
What?
"It's", the application of an apostrophe also signifies ownership of which 'course' belongs to 'program'
No. Never. "Its", sans apostrophe, is the gender neutral possessive. "It's" is only a contraction (usually of "it is", but sometimes "it has").
What?,
You'll see.
No. Never. "Its", sans apostrophe, is the gender neutral possessive. "It's" is only a contraction (usually of "it is", but sometimes "it has").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The apostrophe ( â(TM) or ' ) is a punctuation mark, and sometimes a diacritical mark, in languages that use the Latin alphabet or certain other alphabets. In English, it serves three purposes:[1]
The marking of possessive case (as in the eagle's feathers, or in one month's time).
Possessive implies ownership. Perhaps you should tear up your HS diploma, in todays day and age you just might qualify as an English major.
this echoes what I've always thought. There were too many people involved too keep it a secret
That never, ever stops a conspiracy theorist.
I've seen no evidence that anybody intentionally reused and erased the space footage. More likely somebody saw them laying around and just grabbed and reused without asking or checking -- a lazy shortcut to getting their job done.
Table-ized A.I.