You speak the lamentations of a useful idiot, mundane and repetitive.
"What a mature reaction on your part, GTFU."
It simply matched the intellectual level of your argument.
I believe this is where I say, whatever.
Oh really? So Stalin and hitler got to power by evesdropping on emails and phone calls did they?
No, they got that way by appealing to the naivety of people such as yourself with simplistic nationalism. Wrapped yourself in a flag lately? Do you think you're a patriot?
You've got a lot to learn about politics my friend and by the sounds of things , life in general.
In other words, you've never read a single line of a proposed bill, even for your own country, you don't understand how laws are made and enacted and you have never written a single letter to a politician about anything. Your not interested in human rights and justice issues and the world revolves around you.
You get your news from mainstream media and anything outside of the scope of your expertise you are too mentally lazy to learn about.
Life, politics, what a fool thing to say, I wish I could share the irony. You have no idea what I have experienced. Don't get personal pal, I maybe excoriating you aggressively, but I'm not being nasty.
"You are the domestic enemy we are warned about."
Oh look, out comes the tin foil hat.
No, your a coward. It's that simple. There is no hope for you.
"To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked,"
Thats an interesting response from someone who just told me to grow up.
It interesting because it describes how unappealing your spineless position is. I suppose you need an explanation why you like being fist fucked, now that you're a grown up. Is the analogy 'adult' enough for you? Is AFF better for you? Daddy what does AFF mean?
How about you take your own advice sonny.
Sure, why don't you tell me how I stand to benefit from these laws? As I am already bound by and, have read them. I want you to demonstrate to me how your point of view is somehow more enlightened considering that I analysed every line of the many hundreds of pages it contained and wrote to > 50 politicians about them, including specific part where I made direct written modifications to the act which were successfully included because even the politicians conceded the strip and body cavity search of minors, i.e under 15 were too unreasonable but not unreasonable for you, Daddy.
Does AFF makes sense now that I've explained it to you? Daddy.
I want you to explain to me how jailing witnesses of the arrest for 5 years for telling anyone they witnessed an arrest where someone was taken away under these laws, the suspension of due process, the inclusion of strict liability (which only applied to parking fines) for jail terms, the reversal of the presumption of innocence to the presumption of guilt, the reversal of the onus of proof onto the accused who has to produce evidence that they are mandated to give up to the state on arrest and the reversal of the presumption of innocence to the presumption of guilt is reasonable considering that with all these powers terrorism acts are still being commissioned?
Did you expect to be speaking to someone who has actually read the English version of the Act, kid? Let's say it was you being arrested under these laws, would you look forward to the AFF of a full body cavity search while you were in custody, boy. Which of these clause would you find the least appealing as you heard the *snap* of the latex glove going on the officers hand, would you be considering the rammifications of politics at hand or just the ramming hand? Since you approve of the act, I can only presume you approve of a AFF, lest you be a hypocritical pseudonym. Do unto others...
So, what do you suggest we change the record to? Pleas
We've all got grandparents or great grandparents who fought in something so you can cut off your cross for a start.
Well they'll be able to empathize with the situation. It is unlikely that you have ever written to a politician after reading a legislation like this to defend the remaining democracy. I have, so perhaps the best thing you can do is move to north korea or some other military dictatorship to cheer them on, or just STFU and let the rest of us spend our time ensuring the rule of law applies to all in democracies. After all, that is the point of a democracy.
Whatever.
What a mature reaction on your part, GTFU.
The exact same "police state" rhetoric arguments was wheeled out when fingerprinting was indroduced, then DNA matching, then CCTV.
Yes, and step by step it incrementally becomes more of a police state until someone steps in, uses those powers and it becomes a dictatorship. Perhaps you are an optimist who trusts leaders to implicitly do the right thing. We've seen you before, you pick on the weak and oppressed while defending the powerful and corrupt, who think of you as a rather useful idiot.
Change the bloody record.
I'd love to but people like you keep pressing repeat. I know the soundtrack. We've seen the movie so many times, the film is flapping on the side of the projector, the reel is over, the end is always the same, and at the beginning are people like you who allow power structures like this to evolve and dictators to exist. You are the domestic enemy we are warned about.
The song is always the same because you just aren't comfortable with any other tunes.
To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked, so to make you feel normal, you want everyone to experience it if only they would just stop fighting and give in. After that, you don't know because you don't think that far ahead.
How is preventing people from committing acts of terrorism giving away our freedom?
Because by the very doctrine rammed down our throats it's our freedom that terrorists hate. So if we were fighting terrorism we would be *increasing* freedom, not destroying it. Giving away our freedom increases terrorism because now society cannot discover what provoked the acts of terrorism in the first place.
Society in a free country will never be a safe place from anything, however it will be free.
You should be asking So how does giving away our freedom prevent people from committing acts of terrorism? The obvious answer is, it doesn't.
Yes, it is tired in the context of how it has been twisted and subverted from the fight for freedom to the politicians path to introduce new surveillance tools to cover acts of corruption.
That tired old appeal to "what they fought for"
In my context I was thinking of my grandfather who fought in both world wars against the very thing that is happening in our western societies today.
You know, perhaps you and people like you who spout this drivel should go to a quiet room and consider the difference between mass genocide of jews, gypsies, gays and eastern europeans by the nazis (yes, hello Godwin) plus the indescriminate bombing of civilian populations in Britain and elsewhere,
Nazism is exactly what I was considering when I posted. How these establishment of police states leads to state sponsored terrorism, which is scarier than fundamentalism in a different way.
and the recording of your phone conversations and emails on a little black box. Which if you work in any large company is already done anyway and has been for decades.
Oh, I see. Your one of these people that cheer on the erosion of peoples right to privacy because companies do illegal things. This is best compared to anal fist fucking, you may be a willing participant, but most people would not.
GTFU!
All things considered, that's an oxymoronic statement.
Thinking about all those people that fought in the world wars for our freedom. I wonder if they would have fought if they knew their children would piss every freedom they fought for away in a generation.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy
Under the recently passed data retention laws passed in Australia, law enforcement only needs to ask your carrier for the data and they are obliged to provide it.
It's lot easier to convince someone to work a 12-15 hour day if they don't have to pick up the kids from school.
Any company that works that way is bound to fail anyway. Working people that hard doesn't make them productive, it makes them exhausted and prone to mistakes. Those mistakes compound into needing more time to fix - so it's generally an advanced sign of failure.
They might as well advertise for "Naive, spinless young suckers who'll do anything for a buck."
That's how they should advertise the job so that more experienced people don't waste their time. It's the same old story once you get there and it takes a lot of social skills and energy to walk away amicably. Most of the time it isn't a happy ending for anyone.
I did an analysis of the Australian 2014 National Security Amendments Legislation back in October 2014 and wrote to the politicians to try to stop it. I think that it is relevant here because, well frankly, Australian seems unfortunately blessed with apathetic right wing morons that it makes the construction and passing of such legislation possible and that sometimes they become a template for countries less blessed with these morons.
This legislation contains specific amendments directed at intelligence officers leaking information in light of wikileaks. Any legal opportunity for officers to leak corruption or criminal acts is now a criminal act in Australia and I would imagine that the compartmentalisation of information would allow leakers to be identified.
I am uncertain if such amendments would be constitutional in the US/UK or Canada, but they are law here now. Clearly the doctrine of fighting domestic enemies that corrupt governments, like cancer, from within will no longer be tolerated and the wheels are in motion to close that legality. My interpretation of the legislation is that the ability for these agents to do the right thing to expose criminal acts and corruption will be met with the destruction of their careers and gaol (jail) time.
I'm certain that the portions of the law that can be made legal in other Echelon (5 I's) countries, will be as soon as the constitutional implications are understood. I hope that the mechanisms that wikileaks has created is enough to protect them. I hope there is an opportunity for UK/US and Canadian citizens to stop similar legislation from passing into law in those countries.
If there was any doubt that we were on a slippery slope before the legislations I've read passed into law, then right now Australia's ass is wet and is sliding uncontrollably to being a full blown police state.
The sad truth that no one will ever talk about is that there are way to many humans on the earth to ensure the rest of the animals are not brought to extinction. we need to cut the human population in half in the next 100 years (by breeding less, not killing people off) if we really want to sustain the earth
This will occur anyway with the radionuclide releases from the Fukushima accident. That will reduce the birthrate because as more of the radio isotopes get into the food chain and water table more and more pregnancies will fail.
That's what the left usually say, when their short-term predictions turn out to be garbage. If we're still on this planet in 1-2 centuries, we'll have far more important things to worry about.
Yeah, like no herbivores, peaked oil, overpopulation and all the other things that *scientists* have been warning us about for years.
Our generations will be known as the dithers that were too selfish to do anything whilst there was still a chance.
I thought that if we were going anywhere in the Solar system (which I really hope I can see in my lifetime but I doubt it) that it would be wrapped in a lot of mass. For example I thought ice first because it's water and we would be using it. So if we carry a-lot of water that is what we would be using as shielding. Either that or rocks we can gather up *in* space (maybe a lunar space elevator [a moonstalk iirc?]).
However for our first small ship and given that cosmic radiation may be a lot more energetic than I think and, given that it adds mass to the space craft then why not just go *inside* a big water tank, which would also be your water supply? At first using separate launches with water tanks, however later, maybe a small ice asteroid we capture with a robot and melt - or even carve into, could be a water supply.
Speaking about capturing asteroids maybe we can build a fast, nuclear powered robot ship to explore the asteroid belt remotely and leave robotic mission payloads on large asteroids whilst identifying resources. Maybe when it has built up enough speed we can send it out to the Oort cloud for a look around. I know it sounds science fiction but it is not too far outside our technological capabilities, and, if the world pooled resources to achieve it, something that might bring nations together for a common goal. I know, probably just a fantasy, but I am a geek.
Besides, all children have to start moving out of home sometime.
"Oh no, my trendy tattoo is interfering with my Apple Smart watch! What ever will I do?"
*also called comedy by the rest of us.
I'd call it irony.
They threw away their watches because the iPhone freed them from wearing it and got sleeves because it was trendy to limit their employment options for the rest of their lives.
The irony is that a new trendy thing can only be worn by people who probably think tattoos are lame and don't really care about being an early iMustGetTheLatestTrendyAppleThing adopter. They're probably thinking 'my tattoos aren't so trendy anymore and it's all Apples fault because iWant an iWatch`.
Now if I could use a voice recognition system on it to link with a bash shell and actually want to spend that much money on a first generation device then this would actually be a selling point. Fortunately idon'tCareAbout iWatch or iTattoos.
The irony is actually delicious from many perspectives. I shall savour it!
Yea, because it's the women who drag them off to jail when they try to marry little girls as is allowed in their holy books. Lolz!
Well their customs allow them to take a little boy as a plaything as well, to rape as they please and they custom has a name. What's your point? A human rights abuse is a human rights abuse, it doesn't matter if it is a male, female, adult or child.
There's these things called "States"
And they have laws.
And the laws are made to benefit women and take away any reason for men to draw another breath.
awwww somewon got der lil heart broken and hates women. If you had picked a specific part of the law, I may have been inclined to agree, however you just blame everything which is not only moronic but lame. Here is some valuable advice for you:
Get over yourself, the world isn't going to say sorry.
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"What a mature reaction on your part, GTFU."
It simply matched the intellectual level of your argument.
I believe this is where I say, whatever.
Oh really? So Stalin and hitler got to power by evesdropping on emails and phone calls did they?
No, they got that way by appealing to the naivety of people such as yourself with simplistic nationalism. Wrapped yourself in a flag lately? Do you think you're a patriot?
You've got a lot to learn about politics my friend and by the sounds of things , life in general.
In other words, you've never read a single line of a proposed bill, even for your own country, you don't understand how laws are made and enacted and you have never written a single letter to a politician about anything. Your not interested in human rights and justice issues and the world revolves around you.
You get your news from mainstream media and anything outside of the scope of your expertise you are too mentally lazy to learn about.
Life, politics, what a fool thing to say, I wish I could share the irony. You have no idea what I have experienced. Don't get personal pal, I maybe excoriating you aggressively, but I'm not being nasty.
"You are the domestic enemy we are warned about."
Oh look, out comes the tin foil hat.
No, your a coward. It's that simple. There is no hope for you.
"To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked,"
Thats an interesting response from someone who just told me to grow up.
It interesting because it describes how unappealing your spineless position is. I suppose you need an explanation why you like being fist fucked, now that you're a grown up. Is the analogy 'adult' enough for you? Is AFF better for you? Daddy what does AFF mean?
How about you take your own advice sonny.
Sure, why don't you tell me how I stand to benefit from these laws? As I am already bound by and, have read them. I want you to demonstrate to me how your point of view is somehow more enlightened considering that I analysed every line of the many hundreds of pages it contained and wrote to > 50 politicians about them, including specific part where I made direct written modifications to the act which were successfully included because even the politicians conceded the strip and body cavity search of minors, i.e under 15 were too unreasonable but not unreasonable for you, Daddy.
Does AFF makes sense now that I've explained it to you? Daddy.
I want you to explain to me how jailing witnesses of the arrest for 5 years for telling anyone they witnessed an arrest where someone was taken away under these laws, the suspension of due process, the inclusion of strict liability (which only applied to parking fines) for jail terms, the reversal of the presumption of innocence to the presumption of guilt, the reversal of the onus of proof onto the accused who has to produce evidence that they are mandated to give up to the state on arrest and the reversal of the presumption of innocence to the presumption of guilt is reasonable considering that with all these powers terrorism acts are still being commissioned?
Did you expect to be speaking to someone who has actually read the English version of the Act, kid? Let's say it was you being arrested under these laws, would you look forward to the AFF of a full body cavity search while you were in custody, boy. Which of these clause would you find the least appealing as you heard the *snap* of the latex glove going on the officers hand, would you be considering the rammifications of politics at hand or just the ramming hand? Since you approve of the act, I can only presume you approve of a AFF, lest you be a hypocritical pseudonym. Do unto others...
So, what do you suggest we change the record to? Pleas
We've all got grandparents or great grandparents who fought in something so you can cut off your cross for a start.
Well they'll be able to empathize with the situation. It is unlikely that you have ever written to a politician after reading a legislation like this to defend the remaining democracy. I have, so perhaps the best thing you can do is move to north korea or some other military dictatorship to cheer them on, or just STFU and let the rest of us spend our time ensuring the rule of law applies to all in democracies. After all, that is the point of a democracy.
Whatever.
What a mature reaction on your part, GTFU.
The exact same "police state" rhetoric arguments was wheeled out when fingerprinting was indroduced, then DNA matching, then CCTV.
Yes, and step by step it incrementally becomes more of a police state until someone steps in, uses those powers and it becomes a dictatorship. Perhaps you are an optimist who trusts leaders to implicitly do the right thing. We've seen you before, you pick on the weak and oppressed while defending the powerful and corrupt, who think of you as a rather useful idiot.
Change the bloody record.
I'd love to but people like you keep pressing repeat. I know the soundtrack. We've seen the movie so many times, the film is flapping on the side of the projector, the reel is over, the end is always the same, and at the beginning are people like you who allow power structures like this to evolve and dictators to exist. You are the domestic enemy we are warned about.
The song is always the same because you just aren't comfortable with any other tunes.
To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked, so to make you feel normal, you want everyone to experience it if only they would just stop fighting and give in. After that, you don't know because you don't think that far ahead.
How is preventing people from committing acts of terrorism giving away our freedom?
Because by the very doctrine rammed down our throats it's our freedom that terrorists hate. So if we were fighting terrorism we would be *increasing* freedom, not destroying it. Giving away our freedom increases terrorism because now society cannot discover what provoked the acts of terrorism in the first place.
Society in a free country will never be a safe place from anything, however it will be free.
You should be asking So how does giving away our freedom prevent people from committing acts of terrorism? The obvious answer is, it doesn't.
That tired old appeal to "what they fought for"
In my context I was thinking of my grandfather who fought in both world wars against the very thing that is happening in our western societies today.
You know, perhaps you and people like you who spout this drivel should go to a quiet room and consider the difference between mass genocide of jews, gypsies, gays and eastern europeans by the nazis (yes, hello Godwin) plus the indescriminate bombing of civilian populations in Britain and elsewhere,
Nazism is exactly what I was considering when I posted. How these establishment of police states leads to state sponsored terrorism, which is scarier than fundamentalism in a different way.
and the recording of your phone conversations and emails on a little black box. Which if you work in any large company is already done anyway and has been for decades.
Oh, I see. Your one of these people that cheer on the erosion of peoples right to privacy because companies do illegal things. This is best compared to anal fist fucking, you may be a willing participant, but most people would not.
GTFU!
All things considered, that's an oxymoronic statement.
Thinking about all those people that fought in the world wars for our freedom. I wonder if they would have fought if they knew their children would piss every freedom they fought for away in a generation.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy
Under the recently passed data retention laws passed in Australia, law enforcement only needs to ask your carrier for the data and they are obliged to provide it.
It's lot easier to convince someone to work a 12-15 hour day if they don't have to pick up the kids from school.
Any company that works that way is bound to fail anyway. Working people that hard doesn't make them productive, it makes them exhausted and prone to mistakes. Those mistakes compound into needing more time to fix - so it's generally an advanced sign of failure.
They might as well advertise for "Naive, spinless young suckers who'll do anything for a buck."
That's how they should advertise the job so that more experienced people don't waste their time. It's the same old story once you get there and it takes a lot of social skills and energy to walk away amicably. Most of the time it isn't a happy ending for anyone.
What does God need with a starship yeoman?
Well, she was the former yeoman to Captain James. T. Kirk, so that's gotta look pretty good on her resume.
I did an analysis of the Australian 2014 National Security Amendments Legislation back in October 2014 and wrote to the politicians to try to stop it. I think that it is relevant here because, well frankly, Australian seems unfortunately blessed with apathetic right wing morons that it makes the construction and passing of such legislation possible and that sometimes they become a template for countries less blessed with these morons.
This legislation contains specific amendments directed at intelligence officers leaking information in light of wikileaks. Any legal opportunity for officers to leak corruption or criminal acts is now a criminal act in Australia and I would imagine that the compartmentalisation of information would allow leakers to be identified.
I am uncertain if such amendments would be constitutional in the US/UK or Canada, but they are law here now. Clearly the doctrine of fighting domestic enemies that corrupt governments, like cancer, from within will no longer be tolerated and the wheels are in motion to close that legality. My interpretation of the legislation is that the ability for these agents to do the right thing to expose criminal acts and corruption will be met with the destruction of their careers and gaol (jail) time.
I'm certain that the portions of the law that can be made legal in other Echelon (5 I's) countries, will be as soon as the constitutional implications are understood. I hope that the mechanisms that wikileaks has created is enough to protect them. I hope there is an opportunity for UK/US and Canadian citizens to stop similar legislation from passing into law in those countries.
If there was any doubt that we were on a slippery slope before the legislations I've read passed into law, then right now Australia's ass is wet and is sliding uncontrollably to being a full blown police state.
Yes, exactly. I remember when I was a kid,
You are still the same generation you were born into.
Don't worry. We'll keep the right half.
ba dum *tish*!
The Human Species are one tough bad add mutha fucka . . . they ain't going away any time real soon . . . without an Armageddon fight.
I'm just curious, have you every been camping or in the bush for longer than a week? I think our parasites are much tougher than we are.
The sad truth that no one will ever talk about is that there are way to many humans on the earth to ensure the rest of the animals are not brought to extinction. we need to cut the human population in half in the next 100 years (by breeding less, not killing people off) if we really want to sustain the earth
This will occur anyway with the radionuclide releases from the Fukushima accident. That will reduce the birthrate because as more of the radio isotopes get into the food chain and water table more and more pregnancies will fail.
Seems to involve alot of sleeping.
Good call (hey I couldn't resist!), sums up peoples apathy nicely.
Correction: ditherers
All long term issues. Give it 1-2 centuries.
That's what the left usually say, when their short-term predictions turn out to be garbage. If we're still on this planet in 1-2 centuries, we'll have far more important things to worry about.
Yeah, like no herbivores, peaked oil, overpopulation and all the other things that *scientists* have been warning us about for years.
Our generations will be known as the dithers that were too selfish to do anything whilst there was still a chance.
I thought that if we were going anywhere in the Solar system (which I really hope I can see in my lifetime but I doubt it) that it would be wrapped in a lot of mass. For example I thought ice first because it's water and we would be using it. So if we carry a-lot of water that is what we would be using as shielding. Either that or rocks we can gather up *in* space (maybe a lunar space elevator [a moonstalk iirc?]).
However for our first small ship and given that cosmic radiation may be a lot more energetic than I think and, given that it adds mass to the space craft then why not just go *inside* a big water tank, which would also be your water supply? At first using separate launches with water tanks, however later, maybe a small ice asteroid we capture with a robot and melt - or even carve into, could be a water supply.
Speaking about capturing asteroids maybe we can build a fast, nuclear powered robot ship to explore the asteroid belt remotely and leave robotic mission payloads on large asteroids whilst identifying resources. Maybe when it has built up enough speed we can send it out to the Oort cloud for a look around. I know it sounds science fiction but it is not too far outside our technological capabilities, and, if the world pooled resources to achieve it, something that might bring nations together for a common goal. I know, probably just a fantasy, but I am a geek.
Besides, all children have to start moving out of home sometime.
Radiation affects the brain? who would have thunk it!
If anyone knew what the fuck a "whooozing sound" was, then maybe...genius.
Stick with being an AC. Don't bother getting a id.
...hipster tragedy*:
"Oh no, my trendy tattoo is interfering with my Apple Smart watch! What ever will I do?"
*also called comedy by the rest of us.
I'd call it irony.
They threw away their watches because the iPhone freed them from wearing it and got sleeves because it was trendy to limit their employment options for the rest of their lives.
The irony is that a new trendy thing can only be worn by people who probably think tattoos are lame and don't really care about being an early iMustGetTheLatestTrendyAppleThing adopter. They're probably thinking 'my tattoos aren't so trendy anymore and it's all Apples fault because iWant an iWatch`.
Now if I could use a voice recognition system on it to link with a bash shell and actually want to spend that much money on a first generation device then this would actually be a selling point. Fortunately idon'tCareAbout iWatch or iTattoos.
The irony is actually delicious from many perspectives. I shall savour it!
"With pouty lips and an amazing rack, Blow White is the naughtiest in the sack."
"Oh Mr Disney, can you explain what rule 34 is? Is it a happy ending?"
Holy shit they made porn out of EVERYTHING!
Mirror Mirror on the Wall, who has the naughtiest porn of all!!
Yea, because it's the women who drag them off to jail when they try to marry little girls as is allowed in their holy books. Lolz!
Well their customs allow them to take a little boy as a plaything as well, to rape as they please and they custom has a name. What's your point? A human rights abuse is a human rights abuse, it doesn't matter if it is a male, female, adult or child.
There's these things called "States" And they have laws. And the laws are made to benefit women and take away any reason for men to draw another breath.
awwww somewon got der lil heart broken and hates women. If you had picked a specific part of the law, I may have been inclined to agree, however you just blame everything which is not only moronic but lame. Here is some valuable advice for you:
Get over yourself, the world isn't going to say sorry.
It's hilarious reading all of the trolls and cowards intimidated by a pussy.