Handily enough, the original paper is not paywalled.
Wow, a freeby from Microsoft, how incredibly generous. Google will probably thank them for pointing it out. Isn't it nice how everybody just, *gets along*.
This goes back to what offended me in the first place - yet another snide comment
First of all, if my snide comment offended you, I'm amused your fragile ego dictates much of the way you respond.
Second, I wasn't trying to offend you, I was more pissed off that the accident happened at all.
Three, until your 'back to the beginning' remark, I'd forgotten that you insulted me first and have never apologised. Now I feel like a real jerk for apologising to you for when I called you whatever I did because I don't actually like being a jerk to people. Perhaps that's where we differ.
It would be different if you had some humility and were able to say "Yeah - bad call on that" but you can't and so provide such entertainment as you completely humiliate yourself. I'm sure that you are quite an intelligent person, however your uninformed arrogant, pompus, dictatorial utterances when you are so utterly, completely, provably wrong, combined with your inability to present any fact or evidence that isn't the same ignorant "groupthink" that led to this 'wholey man-made disaster' in the first place make you an irresistable target for lampooning.
Consequently I will continue to challenge your bullshit, demolish your "arguments" and ridicule you as I see fit.
Once again, we see this calumny uttered, this time by someone in a position of authority.
You cannot make people make change unless they feel liability. You must be able to point to an issue and say "This is wrong and you must fix it". Obviously an appeal to the human impact is lost on you because you don't understand it. What you are doing is attempting to bring the commission into disrepute simply because you don't agree with the outcome and, with all of the resources to discover a cause, shows that you are wrong.
You don't like it and you're having a tantrum.
So what critical lesson from Three Mile Island and Chernobyl wasn't learned? I notice that the report never answers this. It's just a throwaway line by someone who will never be called on it.
For me it was a throw away line, turns out the commission found it to be a good way to characterise the disaster. The commission uncovered the issues. Applying the lessons of the nuclear industry is the nuclear industry's responsibility. As you seem to be a living example of the issue, perhaps you are not capable of evolving past your own beleif system, like any religious fanatic.
I don't buy that there was a lot to learn from these earlier accidents.
Because you don't understand the impact, and I'm not calling you ignorant, all I'm saying is that I gave you the benefit of the doubt. It is difficult to understand unless you are willing to try and I don't think you are. However that doesn't mean that the threat isn't there it just means you are not prepared to understand it.
that an experienced nuclear plant operator with a good operation record, TEPCO was the "worst option".
Which happened to be an accurate and succint paraphrasing of the entire situation. Tepco have a clear record of violations including accidents that killed workers at other sites.
a) these organizations have to be very conservative and not immediate act on "awareness" in a way that costs a lot of money and makes the problem worse
The report shows that there was a beleif system, from social proof, that the plants were safe and being operated safely. Human Error. Saving money just means it is a culture that is difficult to challenge. This is exactly the attitude that most nuclear fanbois (and I count you among their number) maintain. A beleif system that they are unable to challenge themselves because they lack the intellectual skills to absorb, not just the reactor technology (which they are generally enamoured with), but the remaining aspects of the industry which is beyond any interest or capability to explore.
b) the reactors in question were scheduled to be decommissioned starting in 2011.
I don't know how much more clearly I can say this: PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE OF THIS otherwise you are just bullshitting.
2006 is just not that long ago, and making a decision not to implement costly changes for reactors that are to be decommissioned anyway is not unreasonable.
I couldn't find any evidence that the reactors were to be decommissioned. If they were going to operate the reactor, they should have made the improvements.
Well, who would be better? As it turned out, TEPCO managed to handle the accident and is handing the subsequent cleanup.
Radioisotope propagation in the environment do not respect borders. Radioisotopes affect the human genome in a trans-generational way and are a source of Human cancers. This is an international issue and in all our interests to control and contain.
evil_villain_voice_on "Not for me. I see this as evidence that you reached a hasty judgment and have stuck by that poor judgment ever since despite becoming somewhat more educated on the subject. muhahaha"
he said, clinging to the dispersing ash of his credibility.
Well, I must admit to being a little disappointed that the usual dysfunctional, anti-nuclear theater appears to have gotten the better of reason in this case. Well, there's always next time.
Well let's have it in your backyard then. I mean seriously, could you make yourself out to be a bigger asshole, actually arguing for a Nuclear reactor plant accident to make a point. What a jerk troll move from khallow.
And yes the 'anti-nuclear' lobby did fail to take the opportunity to push for even more safety standards within the Nuclear Industry that is still operating internationally. One can only hope they can become better focused on more constructive outcomes.
And when someone says "this is almost as bad as Fukushima," we can reply "and how many people actually died at Fukushima?"
and the answer will be "they're still counting".
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained the gestation period of cancerous cells through metabolic pathways in the body as dictating the beginning of when cancers *start* to manifest. The "Long Scale" which you still fail to grasp. 2017 is the minimum to *start* seeing the direct effects of people who have been exposed to radioisotopes either in the air (through fallout) or the water table as directly from the accident, hopefully there will be very few. On top of that is the years of suffering for the patient (from which ever cancer they contract) before final death.
Bio-accumulation through the food chain will also provide an ongoing source of radioisotopes adding a random element of time and of course analogue specific uptakes into the foodchain.
My friends in San Fransisco, Sacremento and San Jose in the US will also suffer more than others. There is little doubt that they have, and continue to be exposed to radioisotopes from Fukushima care of the Jet Stream. 3/11 no doubt sprayed pu-239 and an array of heavy elements onto these poor people in these cities. It will be very difficult to detect now however, I have no doubt it is in the foodchain there.
I get that this might be to big for you to grasp. It's understandable if the biology is beyond you and you are left to focus on something simpler, like the reactor technology, but it's clear from our exchanges that you don't know anything about that either.
The impact of this accident requires significant intellectual capacity to absorb. Perhaps it is too much of a challenge for you, even if you were willing to try. That's my disappointment.
What ownership? I'm tired of the ignorant and the foolish (you are among their number) trying to shoehorn me into their little morality play.
Wow, you think this is about you, what an ego you must posess. I'm really entertained by exposing your ignorance on this subject, I can see you will be providing me entertainment for a very long time.
Your "opinion" about me will always be based, like your arguments, on more wrong assumptions, however it's refreshing that you finally admit that your Nuclear advocacy cannot possibly be responsible though. Perhaps it's irresponsible, ignorant, uninformed, whatever, it's definately pompus. Though, you are certainly the most effective anti-nuclear campainer I have seen with your pro-nuclear fanboi approach. In Japan they're shouting, Go Khallow, more wrong!!!
As for any "morality play" it's clear you are underqualified.
I don't know whether this report is an honest attempt to seek the truth of the matter or merely another hollow ritual for assigning blame.
The liklihood that something else, we have been doing since the dawn of the industrial revolution, will be the death of us all is greater than the chance that nuclear will be our downfall.
More than likely it will be an accumulation of our errors that will back us into a corner. Nuclear, due to the geological timeframes involved in the radioisotope decay, is already in that mix whether we choose to admit it or not. It is inevitable human enriched radioisotope effluents (from whatever source) will affect the the human genome because of the way they behave in the environment and the food chain.
In the end, so called "renewable" resources may be our best bet, but they are not sufficient for our needs currently, and may never be, and who knows what genie those technologies have bottled up for the future.
Every technology has a begining and is developed. The amout of raw energy that falls on the surface of the earth is well beyond what we consume and in fact, wind is more scaleable as advancements can be fitted in a modular way that is not available to large 'up-front' infrastructure projects like Nuclear or Coal power stations. Solar thermal works at night and many other technologies exist that have not even been explored.
As for the genies they hold, well Wind has an infrasound issue, so you shouldn't live to close to them and you can be severley burned by solar power, however none of these technologies are known to output carbon that exceeds the energy used to produce them and to this day there has never been a report of a Wind power plant that has spewed out radioactive isotopes.
I'd give long odds that if we still have a global economy by that time, the underpinnings will be a fission or fusion power grid. Nothing else has the where-with-all to produce the power we have come to demand.
I think that the odds are short that we will *have* to control the radioisotope inventory we have and that the neccesity to do so will be an infrastructure project so large it will change the very nature of the worlds economy. In the same way our generation is facing a carbon legacy from previous generations, future generations will face a radioistope legacy that they will be forced to solve.
Right now peer reviewed science shows us that the current Nuclear power industry does not provide a Net Energy return simply because of the energetic inputs from mining and the energetic inputs to decommission the reactor.
I support the development of a reactor that addresses the issue of 70,000 tons of Pu-239 currently stored in reactor sites around America, simply because it's irresponsible for our generation to foist this issue onto later generations.
Unfortunately, because there is no geologically sound Nuclear waste dump in operation it's totally inappropriate to discuss building a new reactor facility until a proper containment facility is available. Yucca mountain is not a suitable site because it is made of pumice and geologically active evidenced by recent aftershocks of 5.6 within ten miles of a repository that is supposed to be geologically stable for at least 500000 years. The DOE's own 1982 Nuclear Waste policy Act reported that the Yucca Mountain's geology is inappropriate to contain nuclear waste, and long term corrosion data on C22 (the material to contain the Pu-239 and mitigate the ingress of water - yet another Yucca problem) is just not available.
We need something made of granite. A human made structure with the potential to last 10000 years, so it has to be an engineering project of that scale, because the logistical problems of transferring the 70000 odd tons of Pu239 to the "waste repository" (in reality - containment facility) are so involved that you want to get it right the first time and only do it once.
Even doing that, just the infrastructure project will probably take 30 years to complete, but there is more to it tha
The most important thing that should be done is to talk rationally about radioactivity. >
If you were talking rationally about it you would be talking about radioisotopes, their bio-accumulation in the food chain and, their effect on the human species.
Almost 20,000 people died because they lived close to the ocean.
A few dozen people might wind up with cancer someday because Japan uses nuclear power.
The obvious conclusion? Nuclear power is bad and should be eliminated immediately.
The gestation period of most cancers is about 6 years. Which means that even the direct effects of the Fukushima disaster won't start appearing until 2017. Radioisotopes analogue micronutrients when presented to a metabolism. Plutonium (pu-239) presents as Iron. Iron is highly sought after in oceanic metabolisms and therefore complete uptake of pu-239 into the food chain is guaranteed. This is the nature of bio-accumulation and the effects are cumulative.
pu-239 has a half life of 25,000 years and is fatal to humans at a dose of around 1-10 micrograms [oppenheimer]. When ingested it will trigger leukemia or lung cancer that will cause the patient to suffer and, eventually die. When the person is buried the isotope will eventually make it's way into the water table, if cremated the ashes will carry the radioisotope back into the air. Eventually it will be back in the food chain and the cycle will start again over and over for it's half-life and beyond into the daughter products half-lives. Other radioisotopes analogue other micronutrients and, inside the body, they are cancerous.
Additionally, the mutagenic effect of these isotopes will also manifest new diseases into future generations because of the effect it has on the human genome. Birth defects will become more common.
Japan and, more than likely the west coast of the US will face increased rates of cancer and birth defects. If it follows the science that was available from Chernobyl before the funding was cut for that science we are facing some staggering numbers. IAEA has interdiction orders on the WHO publishing information on the effects of Nuclear accidents promoting the ignorance that justifies the trivialization of a serious event that's confusing even when you have access to good information.
It's clear that most people here concentrate on the reactor technology, because it's technology. However the effect on the Human species will still occur whether you are ignorant to it or not and it will continue to do so long after everyone reading this is dead. The opportunity we have is to resolve this issue with all of the resources of the international community as this disaster continues to get worse everyday.
We have the energetic resources to deal with this in our generation. If we don't I have little doubt, that future generations will look back at this time and point to us as the most selfish, insular and ignorant generation that has ever existed.
And if the earthquake didn't happen there wouldn't have been that acceleration or the inundation by tsunami to expose that TEPCO had not made seawall modifications or adequate protections for the backup generators protecting S class facilities so that design basis issues were not exposed.
iFTFY
I think one of the things I find most offensive about the Fukushima accident are all the armchair engineers who, although exercising no real experience, responsibilities, or perceivable judgment in engineering themselves, have no trouble equating hindsight with foresight.
I think one of the things I find most offensive about the Fukushima accident are all the fanbois who chose to vomit rhetoric based on their own internal belief systems whilst ignoring the fact and evidence that has been placed before them. The difference between our positions is that yours is based on your own internal assumptions and mine is based on observation, and understanding of the facts and exidence. You post no evidence to back-up your claims, just a 'cause khallow says so'.
It's easy to claim that there were "management failures".
Not as easy as claiming that the whole thing was some random act of Nature, that no further investigation is warranted and then spew forth that ignorance to whoever you can beat-up intellectually with your dogmatic skeptic fanboi-ism. The difference between your position and mine is yours is a beginning point that requires no-further mental expense and mine is an endpoint that requires asking questions an examining the available evidence to draw a conclusion.
The other difference in our positions is that yours are an oversimplification that deny opportunity to uncover which systems failed and if they can be corrected. Your fanboi-ism is clearly an obstacle in the path of evolving Nuclear systems because your belief system prevents improvements being made leading to accidents like this one, as found in the official report.
Fortunatley, oversimplifications, such as yours are not taken seriously as they have no credibility.
You just type it in. A work of a few seconds
hahahaha, you demonstrate supreme arrogance based on the confidence of your assumptions. It is so completely amusing and, as usual, wrong.
picking your nose...armchair engineers
As opposed to a featherweight aguments against the facts presented. It's one of the benefits you get from reading and comprehension as opposed to insults and ignorance.
From the beginning,...no trouble equating hindsight with foresight
Ok, well if we go back to the *actual* beggining what do I see you say:
Fairly obvious you meant "isn't" or "is not" here however an examination of The official report of The Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission" in the Chairmans message he says, and I quote "Although triggered by these cataclysmic events, the subsequent accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant cannot be regarded as a natural disaster. It was a profoundly manmade disaster – that could and should have been foreseen and prevented.""
So are you saying that the entire commission, with it's multi million dollar budget, the force of law, a panel of expert examiners, full access to TEPCO and the governmant records, expert witnesses and all the resources of the Japanses government are wrong to make that statement and that you are in fact right?
the Japanese building codes are based on the fact that earthquakes WILL happen.
Oh, indeed, I agree wholeheartedly. What some people can't seem to wrap their head around is that the Reactor itself was rated to 600Gal and was only ever exposed to 150Gal on the day, for which it SCRAMed correctly and shut itself down. There was never any question that the reactor itself could have survived the Earthquake and the Tsunami.
I find it interesting that some people, like our friend above, like to mask the capabilities of the Reactor design and make sweeping statemnents such as "magnitude 9 earthquakes can cause nuclear accidents" when in fact, the official investigation revealed that this accident was "wholey man-mad" due to a series of management failures. Who can understand their motivations, perhaps it's their ignorance, it could be they are apologists for the nuclear industry or it could be because their belief in Nuclear safety is so challenged by the Fukushima accident they have to excuse, mask the foolishness they feel when confronted with rigorous and precise reasoning and fact to protect their sense of reality.
In the meantime, their oversimplifications tend to distract us from Tepco's criminal negligence. It's a bit silly to think that the designers didn't say to themselves "hey we had better prepare ourselves for an earthquake here at this reactor one day". They would have us beleive that it was too hard to prepare a reactor that way and pin it on a single cause because it is something we can accept in a meme size information morsel.
Don't get me wrong, Rajnikanth is a great actor, hilarious and tough however he just doesn't practice any Martial arts that I can see. Chuck Norris however, 10th degree black belt Chun Kuk Do, 9th degree black belt Tang Soo Do, 8th degree black belt Taekwondo, black belt Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, black belt Judo. Even if Rajnikanth was a dedicated Kushti practitioner he would not even get past the BJJ so Norris would still kick his ass. You're going to have to come up with another meme for Rajnikanth (he is still a great actor though).
The stuff of nightmares for the Spanish learner-of-English is the "phrasal verb". "pick up" may use the words "pick" and "up", but the verb "pick" means "choose", whereas there's no implied choice-of-thing in "pick up". When we "pick up a ladder", we "pick it up".
Right! When I goto a nightclub to "pick up" a girl, I literally club her over the head at night, until she is unconscious, then "pick her up" to take her home (after that though I not sure what I should do).
The lack of clear shared roots, a long and thankless task.
Coding while someone is talking nearby can be downright impossible.
Yes but, grabbing that person by their neck, holding them down and repeatedly punching them in the face whilst saying 'DO YOU UNDERSTAND' is *exactly* like coding.
Languages take time and effort to learn. Try to remember, C++, although complex by the standards of most computer languages is ridiculously easy compared to learning French. If the programmers spent a proportional amount of time on the foreign language, I think they would have the same level of mastery.
Yes but telling jokes in a ridiculous C++ accent has no comedic value whatsoever. However if you said "I am a programmer, let me manipulate your objects" in a French accent, that's hilarious!
You want to see bits of the brain "lighting up"? You're going to need to get some genetically modified mice. If you want to understand the brain it's not that simple.
Well, we could use the genetically modified mice to program inside of an fMRI, then extropolate the results into a human brain using highly sophisticated neuro mathematical linguine anal isolation probes to produce results that prove, what were we talking about?
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Wow, a freeby from Microsoft, how incredibly generous. Google will probably thank them for pointing it out. Isn't it nice how everybody just, *gets along*.
ooops, here they are
...shit invention I've seen for a long time.
This is what Human hubris looks like.
The pilot(s) could sell it for $23 million dollars and live high off the hog.
Yes - there's a huge black market in 777s.
What about the parts?
That's no moon!
First of all, if my snide comment offended you, I'm amused your fragile ego dictates much of the way you respond.
Second, I wasn't trying to offend you, I was more pissed off that the accident happened at all.
Three, until your 'back to the beginning' remark, I'd forgotten that you insulted me first and have never apologised. Now I feel like a real jerk for apologising to you for when I called you whatever I did because I don't actually like being a jerk to people. Perhaps that's where we differ.
It would be different if you had some humility and were able to say "Yeah - bad call on that" but you can't and so provide such entertainment as you completely humiliate yourself. I'm sure that you are quite an intelligent person, however your uninformed arrogant, pompus, dictatorial utterances when you are so utterly, completely, provably wrong, combined with your inability to present any fact or evidence that isn't the same ignorant "groupthink" that led to this 'wholey man-made disaster' in the first place make you an irresistable target for lampooning.
Consequently I will continue to challenge your bullshit, demolish your "arguments" and ridicule you as I see fit.
You cannot make people make change unless they feel liability. You must be able to point to an issue and say "This is wrong and you must fix it". Obviously an appeal to the human impact is lost on you because you don't understand it. What you are doing is attempting to bring the commission into disrepute simply because you don't agree with the outcome and, with all of the resources to discover a cause, shows that you are wrong.
You don't like it and you're having a tantrum.
For me it was a throw away line, turns out the commission found it to be a good way to characterise the disaster. The commission uncovered the issues. Applying the lessons of the nuclear industry is the nuclear industry's responsibility. As you seem to be a living example of the issue, perhaps you are not capable of evolving past your own beleif system, like any religious fanatic.
Because you don't understand the impact, and I'm not calling you ignorant, all I'm saying is that I gave you the benefit of the doubt. It is difficult to understand unless you are willing to try and I don't think you are. However that doesn't mean that the threat isn't there it just means you are not prepared to understand it.
Which happened to be an accurate and succint paraphrasing of the entire situation. Tepco have a clear record of violations including accidents that killed workers at other sites.
The report shows that there was a beleif system, from social proof, that the plants were safe and being operated safely. Human Error. Saving money just means it is a culture that is difficult to challenge. This is exactly the attitude that most nuclear fanbois (and I count you among their number) maintain. A beleif system that they are unable to challenge themselves because they lack the intellectual skills to absorb, not just the reactor technology (which they are generally enamoured with), but the remaining aspects of the industry which is beyond any interest or capability to explore.
I don't know how much more clearly I can say this: PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE OF THIS otherwise you are just bullshitting.
I couldn't find any evidence that the reactors were to be decommissioned. If they were going to operate the reactor, they should have made the improvements.
Radioisotope propagation in the environment do not respect borders. Radioisotopes affect the human genome in a trans-generational way and are a source of Human cancers. This is an international issue and in all our interests to control and contain.
he said, clinging to the dispersing ash of his credibility.
Well let's have it in your backyard then. I mean seriously, could you make yourself out to be a bigger asshole, actually arguing for a Nuclear reactor plant accident to make a point. What a jerk troll move from khallow. And yes the 'anti-nuclear' lobby did fail to take the opportunity to push for even more safety standards within the Nuclear Industry that is still operating internationally. One can only hope they can become better focused on more constructive outcomes.
and the answer will be "they're still counting".
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained the gestation period of cancerous cells through metabolic pathways in the body as dictating the beginning of when cancers *start* to manifest. The "Long Scale" which you still fail to grasp. 2017 is the minimum to *start* seeing the direct effects of people who have been exposed to radioisotopes either in the air (through fallout) or the water table as directly from the accident, hopefully there will be very few. On top of that is the years of suffering for the patient (from which ever cancer they contract) before final death.
Bio-accumulation through the food chain will also provide an ongoing source of radioisotopes adding a random element of time and of course analogue specific uptakes into the foodchain. My friends in San Fransisco, Sacremento and San Jose in the US will also suffer more than others. There is little doubt that they have, and continue to be exposed to radioisotopes from Fukushima care of the Jet Stream. 3/11 no doubt sprayed pu-239 and an array of heavy elements onto these poor people in these cities. It will be very difficult to detect now however, I have no doubt it is in the foodchain there.
I get that this might be to big for you to grasp. It's understandable if the biology is beyond you and you are left to focus on something simpler, like the reactor technology, but it's clear from our exchanges that you don't know anything about that either.
The impact of this accident requires significant intellectual capacity to absorb. Perhaps it is too much of a challenge for you, even if you were willing to try. That's my disappointment.
Wow, you think this is about you, what an ego you must posess. I'm really entertained by exposing your ignorance on this subject, I can see you will be providing me entertainment for a very long time.
Your "opinion" about me will always be based, like your arguments, on more wrong assumptions, however it's refreshing that you finally admit that your Nuclear advocacy cannot possibly be responsible though. Perhaps it's irresponsible, ignorant, uninformed, whatever, it's definately pompus. Though, you are certainly the most effective anti-nuclear campainer I have seen with your pro-nuclear fanboi approach. In Japan they're shouting, Go Khallow, more wrong!!!
As for any "morality play" it's clear you are underqualified.
Well the Chairman says; "Th
More than likely it will be an accumulation of our errors that will back us into a corner. Nuclear, due to the geological timeframes involved in the radioisotope decay, is already in that mix whether we choose to admit it or not. It is inevitable human enriched radioisotope effluents (from whatever source) will affect the the human genome because of the way they behave in the environment and the food chain.
Every technology has a begining and is developed. The amout of raw energy that falls on the surface of the earth is well beyond what we consume and in fact, wind is more scaleable as advancements can be fitted in a modular way that is not available to large 'up-front' infrastructure projects like Nuclear or Coal power stations. Solar thermal works at night and many other technologies exist that have not even been explored.
As for the genies they hold, well Wind has an infrasound issue, so you shouldn't live to close to them and you can be severley burned by solar power, however none of these technologies are known to output carbon that exceeds the energy used to produce them and to this day there has never been a report of a Wind power plant that has spewed out radioactive isotopes.
I think that the odds are short that we will *have* to control the radioisotope inventory we have and that the neccesity to do so will be an infrastructure project so large it will change the very nature of the worlds economy. In the same way our generation is facing a carbon legacy from previous generations, future generations will face a radioistope legacy that they will be forced to solve.
Right now peer reviewed science shows us that the current Nuclear power industry does not provide a Net Energy return simply because of the energetic inputs from mining and the energetic inputs to decommission the reactor.
I support the development of a reactor that addresses the issue of 70,000 tons of Pu-239 currently stored in reactor sites around America, simply because it's irresponsible for our generation to foist this issue onto later generations.
Unfortunately, because there is no geologically sound Nuclear waste dump in operation it's totally inappropriate to discuss building a new reactor facility until a proper containment facility is available. Yucca mountain is not a suitable site because it is made of pumice and geologically active evidenced by recent aftershocks of 5.6 within ten miles of a repository that is supposed to be geologically stable for at least 500000 years. The DOE's own 1982 Nuclear Waste policy Act reported that the Yucca Mountain's geology is inappropriate to contain nuclear waste, and long term corrosion data on C22 (the material to contain the Pu-239 and mitigate the ingress of water - yet another Yucca problem) is just not available.
We need something made of granite. A human made structure with the potential to last 10000 years, so it has to be an engineering project of that scale, because the logistical problems of transferring the 70000 odd tons of Pu239 to the "waste repository" (in reality - containment facility) are so involved that you want to get it right the first time and only do it once.
Even doing that, just the infrastructure project will probably take 30 years to complete, but there is more to it tha
If you were talking rationally about it you would be talking about radioisotopes, their bio-accumulation in the food chain and, their effect on the human species.
The gestation period of most cancers is about 6 years. Which means that even the direct effects of the Fukushima disaster won't start appearing until 2017. Radioisotopes analogue micronutrients when presented to a metabolism. Plutonium (pu-239) presents as Iron. Iron is highly sought after in oceanic metabolisms and therefore complete uptake of pu-239 into the food chain is guaranteed. This is the nature of bio-accumulation and the effects are cumulative.
pu-239 has a half life of 25,000 years and is fatal to humans at a dose of around 1-10 micrograms [oppenheimer]. When ingested it will trigger leukemia or lung cancer that will cause the patient to suffer and, eventually die. When the person is buried the isotope will eventually make it's way into the water table, if cremated the ashes will carry the radioisotope back into the air. Eventually it will be back in the food chain and the cycle will start again over and over for it's half-life and beyond into the daughter products half-lives. Other radioisotopes analogue other micronutrients and, inside the body, they are cancerous.
Additionally, the mutagenic effect of these isotopes will also manifest new diseases into future generations because of the effect it has on the human genome. Birth defects will become more common.
Japan and, more than likely the west coast of the US will face increased rates of cancer and birth defects. If it follows the science that was available from Chernobyl before the funding was cut for that science we are facing some staggering numbers. IAEA has interdiction orders on the WHO publishing information on the effects of Nuclear accidents promoting the ignorance that justifies the trivialization of a serious event that's confusing even when you have access to good information.
It's clear that most people here concentrate on the reactor technology, because it's technology. However the effect on the Human species will still occur whether you are ignorant to it or not and it will continue to do so long after everyone reading this is dead. The opportunity we have is to resolve this issue with all of the resources of the international community as this disaster continues to get worse everyday.
We have the energetic resources to deal with this in our generation. If we don't I have little doubt, that future generations will look back at this time and point to us as the most selfish, insular and ignorant generation that has ever existed.
Deep Water horizon is all cleaned up. All gone.
iFTFY
I think one of the things I find most offensive about the Fukushima accident are all the fanbois who chose to vomit rhetoric based on their own internal belief systems whilst ignoring the fact and evidence that has been placed before them. The difference between our positions is that yours is based on your own internal assumptions and mine is based on observation, and understanding of the facts and exidence. You post no evidence to back-up your claims, just a 'cause khallow says so'.
Not as easy as claiming that the whole thing was some random act of Nature, that no further investigation is warranted and then spew forth that ignorance to whoever you can beat-up intellectually with your dogmatic skeptic fanboi-ism. The difference between your position and mine is yours is a beginning point that requires no-further mental expense and mine is an endpoint that requires asking questions an examining the available evidence to draw a conclusion.
The other difference in our positions is that yours are an oversimplification that deny opportunity to uncover which systems failed and if they can be corrected. Your fanboi-ism is clearly an obstacle in the path of evolving Nuclear systems because your belief system prevents improvements being made leading to accidents like this one, as found in the official report.
Fortunatley, oversimplifications, such as yours are not taken seriously as they have no credibility.
hahahaha, you demonstrate supreme arrogance based on the confidence of your assumptions. It is so completely amusing and, as usual, wrong.
As opposed to a featherweight aguments against the facts presented. It's one of the benefits you get from reading and comprehension as opposed to insults and ignorance.
Ok, well if we go back to the *actual* beggining what do I see you say:
"In other words, this is['nt] one of those dumb "human error" accidents that caused the other three meltdowns of civilian power plants, but a genuine natural disaster. And the reactors weathered it pretty well."
Fairly obvious you meant "isn't" or "is not" here however an examination of The official report of The Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission" in the Chairmans message he says, and I quote "Although triggered by these cataclysmic events, the subsequent accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant cannot be regarded as a natural disaster. It was a profoundly manmade disaster – that could and should have been foreseen and prevented.""
So are you saying that the entire commission, with it's multi million dollar budget, the force of law, a panel of expert examiners, full access to TEPCO and the governmant records, expert witnesses and all the resources of the Japanses government are wrong to make that statement and that you are in fact right?
Oh, indeed, I agree wholeheartedly. What some people can't seem to wrap their head around is that the Reactor itself was rated to 600Gal and was only ever exposed to 150Gal on the day, for which it SCRAMed correctly and shut itself down. There was never any question that the reactor itself could have survived the Earthquake and the Tsunami.
I find it interesting that some people, like our friend above, like to mask the capabilities of the Reactor design and make sweeping statemnents such as "magnitude 9 earthquakes can cause nuclear accidents" when in fact, the official investigation revealed that this accident was "wholey man-mad" due to a series of management failures. Who can understand their motivations, perhaps it's their ignorance, it could be they are apologists for the nuclear industry or it could be because their belief in Nuclear safety is so challenged by the Fukushima accident they have to excuse, mask the foolishness they feel when confronted with rigorous and precise reasoning and fact to protect their sense of reality.
In the meantime, their oversimplifications tend to distract us from Tepco's criminal negligence. It's a bit silly to think that the designers didn't say to themselves "hey we had better prepare ourselves for an earthquake here at this reactor one day". They would have us beleive that it was too hard to prepare a reactor that way and pin it on a single cause because it is something we can accept in a meme size information morsel.
Sala, Dood no!
Don't get me wrong, Rajnikanth is a great actor, hilarious and tough however he just doesn't practice any Martial arts that I can see. Chuck Norris however, 10th degree black belt Chun Kuk Do, 9th degree black belt Tang Soo Do, 8th degree black belt Taekwondo, black belt Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, black belt Judo. Even if Rajnikanth was a dedicated Kushti practitioner he would not even get past the BJJ so Norris would still kick his ass. You're going to have to come up with another meme for Rajnikanth (he is still a great actor though).
Maybe they can't wrap their heads around why anyone would build a Nuclear Reactor in an earthquake zone in the first place.
The stuff of nightmares for the Spanish learner-of-English is the "phrasal verb". "pick up" may use the words "pick" and "up", but the verb "pick" means "choose", whereas there's no implied choice-of-thing in "pick up". When we "pick up a ladder", we "pick it up".
Right! When I goto a nightclub to "pick up" a girl, I literally club her over the head at night, until she is unconscious, then "pick her up" to take her home (after that though I not sure what I should do).
The lack of clear shared roots, a long and thankless task.
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Wow, I didn't realise there were such benefits to having bi-sexual parents, very interesting.
Also, listening to music with intelligible lyrics is no problem at all. Having the a video playing while programming is also no problem whatsoever.
How interesting, if I know the song I can listen to the words and I seem to code sexier.
Coding while someone is talking nearby can be downright impossible.
Yes but, grabbing that person by their neck, holding them down and repeatedly punching them in the face whilst saying 'DO YOU UNDERSTAND' is *exactly* like coding.
Languages take time and effort to learn. Try to remember, C++, although complex by the standards of most computer languages is ridiculously easy compared to learning French. If the programmers spent a proportional amount of time on the foreign language, I think they would have the same level of mastery.
Yes but telling jokes in a ridiculous C++ accent has no comedic value whatsoever. However if you said "I am a programmer, let me manipulate your objects" in a French accent, that's hilarious!
OMG!!! WE'RE all Gonna DIE!!!!!!!
You want to see bits of the brain "lighting up"? You're going to need to get some genetically modified mice. If you want to understand the brain it's not that simple.
Well, we could use the genetically modified mice to program inside of an fMRI, then extropolate the results into a human brain using highly sophisticated neuro mathematical linguine anal isolation probes to produce results that prove, what were we talking about?
it's still not the year of Windows on the tablet.