You're right. PostgreSQL is Free Software, but it just doesn't require all derivative works to be Free Software.
I assumed the 4 basic freedoms of Free Software included the copyleft, requiring your customers to grant the same rights to their customers for redistribution. It apparently does not. Don't know how I came to that conclusion. Thanks for pointing this out.
So basicly Free Software is Open Source software. That's kinda dumb since Stallman has been trying to tell everyone Free Software is not Open Source.
Personally, I wish the 4 basic freedoms of Free Software included the copyleft. It would make it much easier to argue in favor of Free Software vs. Open Source. But try telling that to the FSF./shrugs/
The end users agree to a EULA, that's an End User License Agreement, which states very clearly that the vendors and developers are NOT liable for any damages caused by the software.
If the end users cannot accept responsibility for their own security then they should be held accountable or not allowed to purchase it.
If you hold developers accountable nobody will develope software, or the average developer salery will increase to include the insurance they would need to protect themselves. All software has bugs, bugs can be security vulnerabilities, so can poor design and loopholes, etc, etc, etc. So the price of the software will increase drasticly to pay the developers.
If you hold vendors accountable the price of the software will increase drasticly to include the cost of the addtional software they would need to automatically update and/or disable any exploitable software. So yeah, if you'd rather pay more for the product than patch your OS, go right ahead and require vendors to manage your personal security for you. No matter what happens here it won't affect F/OSS, as there is no known vulnerabilities in source code and anyone who compiles it is accepting responsibility for any damages, etc.
This whole debate is just retarded. And so is anyone who agrees with either side of it.
How about demand more quality from your vendors or put your money where your mouth is and switch vendors, if you're not a spinless prick who expects everyone else to take care of this hard computer stuff for you cuz you're too important to be bothered with clicking "Windows Update" once a month. I hate the technical illiterate. They shouldn't be allowed to touch a PC. They create more real-world problems for those of us with a clue than they will ever be capable of solving.
So what has been lost? Did Tenable stop testing plugins? Did they dismantle their lab? Is the sky falling?
The relicensed their code. Now we have two options. Eventually, if YOU donate, we might have two labs testing plugins.
But being open source I QA all my own stuff instead of relying on some community project to do it for me. I'm thankful they were nice enough to offer me bandwidth to download the source and license it so I can modify and resell it without the possibility of my changes going into a closed-source-only project..!..
Well, you would have to hire a team of lawyers and programmers to look over each document for several years and pay for licenses to the rights to redistribute any technology you didn't create in house and have QA verify no classified info leaks out. So it would cost about $100k per person for about 15 people for about 3 years to release the specs for a simple ethernet device. And that's not inlcuding the lost royalties on patents and general beaucratic tax licenses and fees.
I'd say it costs, on average, about $20,000,000.00 per technology to release specs. Unless, of course, you're an F/OSS business. Then it costs about $0.15.
Need a reason why F/OSS will win this old horse race? They don't got to play by these stupid rulez, haxx0r.
as soon as you can get the end users to stop accepting responsibility by agreeing to the EULA...
Honestly, who reads these things? It says right there who is responsible for these security vulnerabilities. The government is run by cowards who are too scared to go after the real criminals, the people who have accepted responsibility for a device they don't know how to operate. Well, that and Howard Schmidt is a cock whore.
End Users should be required to pass a test to use this equipment and if they misuse it by speeding around the internet, sending out malicious packets, they should be fined and imprisoned and lose all their stuff. Whatever it takes to get them to 1. RTFL, 2. Learn Something(tm), and 3. Secure Their System.
Yes, but you're fighting the symptoms instead of solving the cause of these problems.
Until we learn what is really making us depressed, no amount of MDMA will make us truely happy.
If the problem is emotion and brain chemistry. Why live? What's the point of living your life void of emotion in some padded white room? To be safe and secure and emotionless until you die?
I'd personally rather sleep for an eternity. Or at least as long as everyone continues to believe everything is hunkey dorey.
Look, who wouldn't feel frustrated and depressed being told repeatedly that humanity's future is uncertain, their children's future is uncertain, their own future is uncertain. And everyone expect more of them at work, at home, friends, family, etc. Eventually someone is going to snap. Sucks for them, but that was their choice.
If you suggest we take drugs, might I suggest we give everyone the freedom to take whatever drugs they enjoy? Let's all be blissfully ignorant and party. I got some black lights and good tunes...
Either that or let's get to the heart of the problem. Its not like we don't have 500 psych books available as links off of www.google.com. If we really wanted to do something about this we could. But we don't. Its just not profitable to solve problems, when its more profitable to patch them.
The closed source model leads to a monopoly where each employee signs an NDA to not discuss any technology with anyone working for any other company. This monopoly kills its competition by using anti-competitive tacktics. Then once it can relax everyone gets laid off so the monopoly can show better financial earnings, etc. Consumers pay higher prices for lower quality products. Employees might be lucky and get rich on stock options, but most likely will end up unemployed when their services are no longer required. Competing products and companies and their employees disappear.
The open source model leads to excessive competition. Everyone offers the same products and services, forcing you to differentiate yourself from your competition by improving customer relations, marketing, or the very products themselves. But all the money and effort you put into your product, although it shows you're a leader, costs a lot and is freely available to your competition to use in their products, etc. But you also get the benefit of having customers and competitors QA and improve your products for you at no cost, which often adds more value than you lose by releasing the source. Red Hat, for example, got a lot of free developement on GNOME and Open Office that cost them the time to integrate those changes into their products. Now Red Hat's products can compete with the best Sun, IBM, HP and Microsoft have to offer, but it wouldn't have been possible without this open source model. Businesses can easily make money off their reputation and support services. Plus consumers get free access to all the software if they want to support themselves. And new startup businesses get free access to all the software (with the rights to sell it) to build their products.
So, if you're on the board of directors or have executive status in your company the closed source model is probably the best for you. For anyone else the open source model seems to work very well.
As for me, I worked for one fortune 500 company and watched everyone I worked with get laid off, not just the people in IT, 90% of the people on campus. Then I couldn't find a job for 4 months. During that time I worked on GPL software until I found a job working on GPL software for a startup and now I'm making more with this free stuff than a fortune 500 corp wanted to pay me to work on their closed stuff. Funny, eh? Not only that, the closed source model didn't let me innovate from my position in IT, now I have full access to the source code and all my ideas are welcome.
Guess what. They also have closed source and patents to protect their IP. So there won't be any competitors in the new market they opened for quite some time. I'm much happier overall.
Nope. I think Trusted Computing is a bad thing and I will do everything to avoid any form of DRM. But DRM is a tool, and I recognize how some people, however mislead they may be, might have a use for such a tool.
But if you take my freedom away... I would die to defend it. And I would kill to get it back.
Please don't even think about crossing that line.
Offer more TC/DRM features and services and products, fine. But don't even attempt to make unTrusted Computing a black market. That is monopolistic behavior and it will NOT be tolerated here. Understand this. I am serious. And I know how your computers work.
Is it the right thing? Wouldn't the right thing be to only support open source DRM, if any at all. And then only to give customers the power to DRM their content as well. This would be useful for businesses, but probably not so much for consumers.
3 9's for $40k? I can do that with 3 PCs for less than 2K for moderate loads.
Its crazy to think one must spend $100k for a stable server. Modern PC CPUs is much faster than yesterday's servers.
Sure, some specialized applications might require custom hardware and software. But for most network services some sort of replication can easily be scripted for failover. Automated warnings can make it easy to replace or repair broken systems. PC hardware is cheap and easy to find and fix. Linux supports a lot of choices in this area. You can choose just about any PC to replace a server temporarily with reduced performance for a quick patch, if you have the right environment setup.
Some software requires you use expensive fault tolerant or redundant systems. Some software does not. Depending on your needs you may have to spend more to support your software. Your competition may not have the same policy. For them Linux is a very attractive option. It can be custom fit to their organization to help automate most of the administration. Their software can work for them instead of the other way around.
For around $20,000 you could build a PC cluster that includes: 20+ x Intel P4 D820 at ~$500 ea. 20+ x AMD64 X2 3800+ at ~$750 ea.
You could almost get a cluster of 40 Intel PCs, each with a dual-core chip running at 2.8 Ghz. Or almost 30 AMD64 PCs, each with a dual-core chip running at 1.8 Ghz. If you shop smart you can get gigabit ethernet on the motherboard and have a fault-tollerant / redundant system with over 10 times the performance of the Sun system.
I don't know about you, but I would take the cluster of AMD X2s. The Intels might beat 'em on price/performance, but the X2s might be a lil bit nicer to work on.
I ripped the DVDs. They were not interlaced. That's enough for me.
But the content was very good, too. I thought it was better than Babylon 5 and Star Trek, but I haven't seen all of StarGate SG1 yet. But then I also liked Cowboy Bebop and lots of other stuff in the SciFi/Anime genres. I think the SciFi Western style of Cowboy Bebop is what really got me hooked.
No hype or mystique attracted me to this show, just the show itself. I'm not even a Buffy fan, tho I liked what I saw of it. But Firefly was much better, IMO.
If only you could feel so vengeful against Microsoft for designing an insecure system and then not using their billions to fix it when everyone tells them its insecure. Intead, they're using their billions to make billions, for educational purposes?
Why doesn't Microsoft bear any responsibility for the mess they've unleashed on the 'net?
As for your gun analogy, its more like EVERYONE wears a bullet proof jacket except Joe Microsoft, someone finds your loaded gun and shoots him. He dies. Who's to blame? If he wore his bullet proof jacket like everyone told him, maybe he wouldn't have died. But since you left your gun on the sidewalk we should just execute you and call it even.
Unfortunately this does nothing to clean up the bloody mess on the sidewalk.
We seem to care more about property than people. So people die while we're fighting to protect our and our corporation's property. Yet nobody seems to be concerned that its this capitalist love of stuff and money over people that cause so many problems for so many people.
poverty Audio pronunciation of "poverty" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pvr-t) n.
1. The state of being poor; lack of the means of providing material needs or comforts.
2. Deficiency in amount; scantiness: "the poverty of feeling that reduced her soul" (Scott Turow).
3. Unproductiveness; infertility: the poverty of the soil.
4. Renunciation made by a member of a religious order of the right to own property.
We need to teach them to fish again, in our modern society, by giving them the means to fish. They have no fishing poles because they are too expensive. Today the computer is like the fishing pole was 1000 years ago. A car or a method of transportation is like a fishing pole. Housing and education and food are like the fishing pole. But the only hand outs they get from us are our old fishing poles after we've already caught all the big fish.
I would certainly love the comfort of knowing if I lost my job I'd have a free place to stay, free 'net access, free food and transportation until I can get back on my feet and be productive again. But without that sort of love in our society, I doubt we'll ever get a break like that. Not while we're paying for the last 5 years and fighting for more property rights. Whatever happened to Human rights, like the pursuit of happiness..
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Maybe its easier to type, but this seems awkward to me:
a = %w( ant bee cat dog elk ) # create an array a.each { |animal| puts animal } # iterate over the contents
...it's just foolish to assume that globally weather is undergoing vast change because there's a drought/flood/etc in another region. And while it's possible that a warming trend across the globe is changing the weather in the manner that people are speculating, it's quite another thing to quickly jump to the conclusion that we as humans are the cause.
Its also foolish to assume that 100 years of industialization and the constantly increasing rate of combustion of fossil fuels has no impact on the global weather system.
To think we could do anything and get away with it is rather childish. I personally expect more responsibility from adults for their actions. They need to earn their authority or risk losing it.
When you foolishly put your children's future at risk you shouldn't shrug it off like it never happened. You should spend the rest of your lives trying to repair the damage and keep them safe. Either that or just go to your old folk's room and spend eternity thinking about what you've done, and get out of the way so your kids can fix the mess you caused.
But I know.. Hush lil baby, just have faith. God will take care of everything.
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They're the ones with all the patents and lawyers and restrictive EULAs.
Don't user minimalist distributions like Vector Linux for development?
I would try something like this:
mkfifo -m 666 stdout
mkfifo -m 666 stderr
open 2 terminals
cat stdout
cat stderr
#!/usr/bin/perl
open( STDOUT, ">stdout" );
open( STDERR, ">stderr" );
print STDOUT "Hello World\n";
print STDERR "Wello Horld\n";
or
# a.out > stdout 2> stderr &
You're right. PostgreSQL is Free Software, but it just doesn't require all derivative works to be Free Software.
/shrugs/
I assumed the 4 basic freedoms of Free Software included the copyleft, requiring your customers to grant the same rights to their customers for redistribution. It apparently does not. Don't know how I came to that conclusion. Thanks for pointing this out.
So basicly Free Software is Open Source software. That's kinda dumb since Stallman has been trying to tell everyone Free Software is not Open Source.
Personally, I wish the 4 basic freedoms of Free Software included the copyleft. It would make it much easier to argue in favor of Free Software vs. Open Source. But try telling that to the FSF.
The end users agree to a EULA, that's an End User License Agreement, which states very clearly that the vendors and developers are NOT liable for any damages caused by the software.
If the end users cannot accept responsibility for their own security then they should be held accountable or not allowed to purchase it.
If you hold developers accountable nobody will develope software, or the average developer salery will increase to include the insurance they would need to protect themselves. All software has bugs, bugs can be security vulnerabilities, so can poor design and loopholes, etc, etc, etc. So the price of the software will increase drasticly to pay the developers.
If you hold vendors accountable the price of the software will increase drasticly to include the cost of the addtional software they would need to automatically update and/or disable any exploitable software. So yeah, if you'd rather pay more for the product than patch your OS, go right ahead and require vendors to manage your personal security for you. No matter what happens here it won't affect F/OSS, as there is no known vulnerabilities in source code and anyone who compiles it is accepting responsibility for any damages, etc.
This whole debate is just retarded. And so is anyone who agrees with either side of it.
How about demand more quality from your vendors or put your money where your mouth is and switch vendors, if you're not a spinless prick who expects everyone else to take care of this hard computer stuff for you cuz you're too important to be bothered with clicking "Windows Update" once a month. I hate the technical illiterate. They shouldn't be allowed to touch a PC. They create more real-world problems for those of us with a clue than they will ever be capable of solving.
gnessus.org
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So what has been lost? Did Tenable stop testing plugins? Did they dismantle their lab? Is the sky falling?
The relicensed their code. Now we have two options. Eventually, if YOU donate, we might have two labs testing plugins.
But being open source I QA all my own stuff instead of relying on some community project to do it for me. I'm thankful they were nice enough to offer me bandwidth to download the source and license it so I can modify and resell it without the possibility of my changes going into a closed-source-only project.
Well, you would have to hire a team of lawyers and programmers to look over each document for several years and pay for licenses to the rights to redistribute any technology you didn't create in house and have QA verify no classified info leaks out. So it would cost about $100k per person for about 15 people for about 3 years to release the specs for a simple ethernet device. And that's not inlcuding the lost royalties on patents and general beaucratic tax licenses and fees.
I'd say it costs, on average, about $20,000,000.00 per technology to release specs. Unless, of course, you're an F/OSS business. Then it costs about $0.15.
Need a reason why F/OSS will win this old horse race? They don't got to play by these stupid rulez, haxx0r.
That's nice. I use Linux. Got any tip for me?
PostgreSQL is free software in every sense of the term...
But PostgreSQL is not Free Software in any sense of the term...
as soon as you can get the end users to stop accepting responsibility by agreeing to the EULA...
Honestly, who reads these things? It says right there who is responsible for these security vulnerabilities. The government is run by cowards who are too scared to go after the real criminals, the people who have accepted responsibility for a device they don't know how to operate. Well, that and Howard Schmidt is a cock whore.
End Users should be required to pass a test to use this equipment and if they misuse it by speeding around the internet, sending out malicious packets, they should be fined and imprisoned and lose all their stuff. Whatever it takes to get them to 1. RTFL, 2. Learn Something(tm), and 3. Secure Their System.
Yes, but you're fighting the symptoms instead of solving the cause of these problems.
Until we learn what is really making us depressed, no amount of MDMA will make us truely happy.
If the problem is emotion and brain chemistry. Why live? What's the point of living your life void of emotion in some padded white room? To be safe and secure and emotionless until you die?
I'd personally rather sleep for an eternity. Or at least as long as everyone continues to believe everything is hunkey dorey.
Look, who wouldn't feel frustrated and depressed being told repeatedly that humanity's future is uncertain, their children's future is uncertain, their own future is uncertain. And everyone expect more of them at work, at home, friends, family, etc. Eventually someone is going to snap. Sucks for them, but that was their choice.
If you suggest we take drugs, might I suggest we give everyone the freedom to take whatever drugs they enjoy? Let's all be blissfully ignorant and party. I got some black lights and good tunes...
Either that or let's get to the heart of the problem. Its not like we don't have 500 psych books available as links off of www.google.com. If we really wanted to do something about this we could. But we don't. Its just not profitable to solve problems, when its more profitable to patch them.
Here's how I see it.
The closed source model leads to a monopoly where each employee signs an NDA to not discuss any technology with anyone working for any other company. This monopoly kills its competition by using anti-competitive tacktics. Then once it can relax everyone gets laid off so the monopoly can show better financial earnings, etc. Consumers pay higher prices for lower quality products. Employees might be lucky and get rich on stock options, but most likely will end up unemployed when their services are no longer required. Competing products and companies and their employees disappear.
The open source model leads to excessive competition. Everyone offers the same products and services, forcing you to differentiate yourself from your competition by improving customer relations, marketing, or the very products themselves. But all the money and effort you put into your product, although it shows you're a leader, costs a lot and is freely available to your competition to use in their products, etc. But you also get the benefit of having customers and competitors QA and improve your products for you at no cost, which often adds more value than you lose by releasing the source. Red Hat, for example, got a lot of free developement on GNOME and Open Office that cost them the time to integrate those changes into their products. Now Red Hat's products can compete with the best Sun, IBM, HP and Microsoft have to offer, but it wouldn't have been possible without this open source model. Businesses can easily make money off their reputation and support services. Plus consumers get free access to all the software if they want to support themselves. And new startup businesses get free access to all the software (with the rights to sell it) to build their products.
So, if you're on the board of directors or have executive status in your company the closed source model is probably the best for you. For anyone else the open source model seems to work very well.
As for me, I worked for one fortune 500 company and watched everyone I worked with get laid off, not just the people in IT, 90% of the people on campus. Then I couldn't find a job for 4 months. During that time I worked on GPL software until I found a job working on GPL software for a startup and now I'm making more with this free stuff than a fortune 500 corp wanted to pay me to work on their closed stuff. Funny, eh? Not only that, the closed source model didn't let me innovate from my position in IT, now I have full access to the source code and all my ideas are welcome.
Guess what. They also have closed source and patents to protect their IP. So there won't be any competitors in the new market they opened for quite some time. I'm much happier overall.
I suspect Nessus will be forked soon.
These types of changes don't worry me. Nothing has been lost except future contributions from the original contributor.
I don't care if someone doesn't want to work on Free Software, I only care if they take steps to sabotage it, like Microsoft.
Nope. I think Trusted Computing is a bad thing and I will do everything to avoid any form of DRM. But DRM is a tool, and I recognize how some people, however mislead they may be, might have a use for such a tool.
But if you take my freedom away... I would die to defend it. And I would kill to get it back.
Please don't even think about crossing that line.
Offer more TC/DRM features and services and products, fine. But don't even attempt to make unTrusted Computing a black market. That is monopolistic behavior and it will NOT be tolerated here. Understand this. I am serious. And I know how your computers work.
Theory is good and all, but benchmarks will provide a much nicer comparison.
Microsoft has been saying for years how much better their technology is, but the stats show a completely different perspective.
So, yeah, I'd like to see a thorough comparison of DB2, Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL, and MSSQL if you must.
Is it the right thing? Wouldn't the right thing be to only support open source DRM, if any at all. And then only to give customers the power to DRM their content as well. This would be useful for businesses, but probably not so much for consumers.
http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_101/MySQL/MyS QL.htm
3 9's for $40k? I can do that with 3 PCs for less than 2K for moderate loads.
Its crazy to think one must spend $100k for a stable server. Modern PC CPUs is much faster than yesterday's servers.
Sure, some specialized applications might require custom hardware and software. But for most network services some sort of replication can easily be scripted for failover. Automated warnings can make it easy to replace or repair broken systems. PC hardware is cheap and easy to find and fix. Linux supports a lot of choices in this area. You can choose just about any PC to replace a server temporarily with reduced performance for a quick patch, if you have the right environment setup.
Some software requires you use expensive fault tolerant or redundant systems. Some software does not. Depending on your needs you may have to spend more to support your software. Your competition may not have the same policy. For them Linux is a very attractive option. It can be custom fit to their organization to help automate most of the administration. Their software can work for them instead of the other way around.
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For around $20,000 you could build a PC cluster that includes:
20+ x Intel P4 D820 at ~$500 ea.
20+ x AMD64 X2 3800+ at ~$750 ea.
You could almost get a cluster of 40 Intel PCs, each with a dual-core chip running at 2.8 Ghz. Or almost 30 AMD64 PCs, each with a dual-core chip running at 1.8 Ghz. If you shop smart you can get gigabit ethernet on the motherboard and have a fault-tollerant / redundant system with over 10 times the performance of the Sun system.
I don't know about you, but I would take the cluster of AMD X2s. The Intels might beat 'em on price/performance, but the X2s might be a lil bit nicer to work on.
I ripped the DVDs. They were not interlaced. That's enough for me.
But the content was very good, too. I thought it was better than Babylon 5 and Star Trek, but I haven't seen all of StarGate SG1 yet. But then I also liked Cowboy Bebop and lots of other stuff in the SciFi/Anime genres. I think the SciFi Western style of Cowboy Bebop is what really got me hooked.
No hype or mystique attracted me to this show, just the show itself. I'm not even a Buffy fan, tho I liked what I saw of it. But Firefly was much better, IMO.
Yeah, burn him! BURRRRN HIIIIM!!!
If only you could feel so vengeful against Microsoft for designing an insecure system and then not using their billions to fix it when everyone tells them its insecure. Intead, they're using their billions to make billions, for educational purposes?
Why doesn't Microsoft bear any responsibility for the mess they've unleashed on the 'net?
As for your gun analogy, its more like EVERYONE wears a bullet proof jacket except Joe Microsoft, someone finds your loaded gun and shoots him. He dies. Who's to blame? If he wore his bullet proof jacket like everyone told him, maybe he wouldn't have died. But since you left your gun on the sidewalk we should just execute you and call it even.
Unfortunately this does nothing to clean up the bloody mess on the sidewalk.
At least they get fined instead of executed..
We seem to care more about property than people. So people die while we're fighting to protect our and our corporation's property. Yet nobody seems to be concerned that its this capitalist love of stuff and money over people that cause so many problems for so many people.
poverty Audio pronunciation of "poverty" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pvr-t)
n.
1. The state of being poor; lack of the means of providing material needs or comforts.
2. Deficiency in amount; scantiness: "the poverty of feeling that reduced her soul" (Scott Turow).
3. Unproductiveness; infertility: the poverty of the soil.
4. Renunciation made by a member of a religious order of the right to own property.
We need to teach them to fish again, in our modern society, by giving them the means to fish. They have no fishing poles because they are too expensive. Today the computer is like the fishing pole was 1000 years ago. A car or a method of transportation is like a fishing pole. Housing and education and food are like the fishing pole. But the only hand outs they get from us are our old fishing poles after we've already caught all the big fish.
I would certainly love the comfort of knowing if I lost my job I'd have a free place to stay, free 'net access, free food and transportation until I can get back on my feet and be productive again. But without that sort of love in our society, I doubt we'll ever get a break like that. Not while we're paying for the last 5 years and fighting for more property rights. Whatever happened to Human rights, like the pursuit of happiness..
Maybe its easier to type, but this seems awkward to me:
/Ruby/ }
a = %w( ant bee cat dog elk ) # create an array
a.each { |animal| puts animal } # iterate over the contents
5.times { print "*" }
3.upto(6) {|i| print i }
('a'..'e').each {|char| print char }
ARGF.each { |line| print line if line =~
...it's just foolish to assume that globally weather is undergoing vast change because there's a drought/flood/etc in another region. And while it's possible that a warming trend across the globe is changing the weather in the manner that people are speculating, it's quite another thing to quickly jump to the conclusion that we as humans are the cause.
Its also foolish to assume that 100 years of industialization and the constantly increasing rate of combustion of fossil fuels has no impact on the global weather system.
To think we could do anything and get away with it is rather childish. I personally expect more responsibility from adults for their actions. They need to earn their authority or risk losing it.
When you foolishly put your children's future at risk you shouldn't shrug it off like it never happened. You should spend the rest of your lives trying to repair the damage and keep them safe. Either that or just go to your old folk's room and spend eternity thinking about what you've done, and get out of the way so your kids can fix the mess you caused.
But I know.. Hush lil baby, just have faith. God will take care of everything.
There are no excuses.
Oh Lordy its Global Warming, must be normal for this time of the century!