Tell me, do you honestly need peerguardian? Do you and your mates download illegal content and need to be protected from the *IAA? If so maybe you should consider dedicating a few more % of your CPU to erasing your ISP's logs.
Glibc is the GNU C Library. Being a library, or a file of any kind, it is subject to some of the LSB rules, such as the location of libraries within a filesystem.
Some of these rules are *nix standards and make sense in an old fassioned traditional way. Or they make sense in that we need a standard place to always find these files between different systems, in order to assume some sort of compatibility across platforms, way.
But they don't always offer the best solution. Sometimes they have unnecessary rules that should simply be optional, like/opt and/usr/local. And that's just talking about the filesystem heirarchy. I don't know all the details, but if they're anything like the LSB filesystem layout, there has to be a lot of unneccessary crap that makes it a chore for a distro to be LSB standards compliant.
I won't be certifying my distro against the LSB and I doubt the majority will.
But Ulrich Drepper is qualified, if anyone is, to talk about the LSB. He's maintaining glibc, the most important and most used library in the GNU system. He's not some kid who booted a Knoppix CD once. He's also done a lot of stuff.
But from my perspective he hasn't had the best track record with glibc maintenance. There was a few months of beta and CVS releases during a critical time for NPTL integration with a severe lack of documentation, roadmap or anything to help out the distros. That appears to have been resolved, but leaves us with some concern about the level of professionalism displayed by core projects.
Luckily most core system software is maintained by responsible professional organizations who have a better track record than some multi-billion-dollar corporations.
I can pick a deadbolt lock nearly as fast as most people can use a key, yet I still use locks on my door.
Exactly, so why should I buy a deadbolt lock, or even take the time to install one?
Besides, my computers run faster without antivirus software, firewalls, etc.
I don't care what you, the RIAA, MPAA, malware folks or anyone else thinks about it. Because I know you're all stupid. I mean it. Seriously. Freakin morons.
Well, if they break internationalization to make a US version of GIMPshop, I doubt the GIMP developers care. But it does seem like a waste of time unless they are doing it the right way the first time, by not breaking internationalization, etc.
Its great for us English reading people, but the GIMP supports a much wider audience.
I don't see the difference between Flash and Avalon. Avalon might at least support Firefox on Linux without downloading plugins. But both are proprietary crap.
Maybe this sort of competition will force Adobe/Macromedia to consider the benefits of open source. Personally I would love to see them go out of business first.
Anything is possible when you're stoned. But now that we're soberly outsourcing everything we're no longer creative enough to do it with a shoestring budget, 8-bit electronics and the courage that once made this country great, or something like that.
How many versions of RedHat Linux are available? Counting back to day one, I'm sure we can put together a list of something like 50. But today, there are only 3 versions available for commercial support and use. Workstation, Server and Advanced Server.
How many SuSE editions are available? Same thing.
How many Slackware versions are available? One. Slackware just has its single distro. It updates it every year or so, but its just one distro.
How many Debian Linux distros? Stable, unstable and developement? So like 3. Sure, they're available for every architecture they can support, but there are only 3.
The problem people seem to have with Linux isn't the choice between distros, its understanding that Linux comes from MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
Microsoft is one corporation. And in this case they're still behaving like a monopoly.
What people want is for them to fix their bugs, fix their security problems, which are design, not implementation problems. Fix their incompatibility issues with not supporting open document formats by default. Fix their web standards compliance.
They are the largest and most wealthy computer business on the planet but they can't afford to make their web browser compete with Firefox? Mozilla is a non-profit organization.
And then this. They offer what, 3 additional choices from their code base, instead of including all the features they touted 3 years ago and all the requested features EVERYONE has been asking for.
And then appologists like you go off and complain how Linux has millions of distros so we shouldn't pick on Microsoft's behavior.
This has nothing to do with choice, it has to do with technical merit. If they were fixing their broken stuff or offering something of value, such as a gaming edition that costs $50 for people like me who only use their crappy software to play games, then we wouldn't bitch so loudly.
Here in the US copyright law has a hard time preventing fair use of content. It does prevent verbatim copying, but the use of content for the purpose of parody, education, reference, etc. is still allowed. Its hard for them to argue that you violated copyright by using a sound clip.
And if the BBC is releasing this content for this purpose I doubt they would seek legal action to stop you, even if you technically may be in violation of some form of copyright law.
In any case if you just wanted to play around and release your mp3s on a p2p somewhere I doubt anyone would notice. The only place you might run into problems is trying to commercially license and sell your remixes. Should consider moving to the UK if you want to do that.
You should know, had you read about McCarthyism, that stereotyping everything they disagree with under labels like "terrorist" and "looter", reinforced by groupthink, brings them to the brink of becoming Nazis.
I assume you don't support the looters and terrorists.
But would you reevaluate your position if you watched a starving family loot an abandoned 7-11 for food and water for their child?
Would you support a terrorist if they were your neighbor fighting for your freedom from an oppressive government?
Or would you just call them all neocommies and throw your poop at them?
If they want some attention they should threaten to go to Mars and start a new colony / country. If they threaten to start a communist/socialist/anarchist utopia every capitalist nation on the planet would work to preventing them the opportunity.
The only thing that scares capitalists more than the color Red is the concept of a society without money.
SGI also partnerred with nVidia and shared some technology that went into the GeForce chipsets.
Then they started using nVidia cards in their low end systems. So, in a way, they adopted commoditized hardware.
They have low end Itanium and possibly Xeon systems with nVidia graphics and SGI boards, bandwidth, etc. And MIPS workstations with nVidia graphics or possibly custom SGI stuff. And they still got their high-end which the commodity market can't touch because nVidia has no interest in building industrial strength graphics tech for the PC.
Gamers don't care if a few pixels are off color by a few bits, as long as they're close to the right place and the right color. PC users care more about frame rate than quality, etc.
Most PC users, like the market for these S3 chips, are happy if they get graphics at all. They don't care if they're 800x600 or 1280x1024, as long as they're somewhat readable and mostly flicker free. They'll skimp on a monitor because their computer is nothing more than an internet enabled type writter for them.
I, personally, want good 2d and video and open drivers for multi-display cards. TV-out would be awesome. I also want good 3d with open drivers, but that is not as important. I can settle for closed 3d drivers as long as I have the option of getting a fully functional open 2d card.
But these graphics companies intellectual property is too valuable to them to give us specs. We should punish them financially for it, but we won't. We'd rather have shiny graphics than stability, performance, features, fair and balanced benchmarks for real tech comparisons, etc. Its so much easier to not think about anything and outsource everything to the lowest bidder.
Yes, but is it because they are on the 'net, or is it because that's how uneducated they were before they got on the 'net.
The internet offers everyone access to information. Its up to them to seek it out.
Its not a broadcast media like TV, so the chances someone will be more creative after using the 'net than watching TV depend on the person, but overall, I think they would be higher. Unless all the people, or in this case their children, are stupid. But here in the US that is entirely possible.
There's nothing magic about the GPL where these projects would somehow not exist without it. You need to use reason - something you socialists/communists hate doing.
Anyway, I read the GPL. There's nothing magic about it. True. Just like there's nothing magic about electricity.
But somehow, with all their limitless knowledge and intellect, people still miss the point.
What do terrorists, communists, socialists, pagans, anarchists, and Linux developers have in common?
For most people, a proportionally spaced serif font is easier to read for the body of a document, and a proportionally spaced sans-serif font is better for thing like headlines or section titles.
I'm curious how you came to this conclusion. Can I see your data?
First off, I'm sure filmakers and musicians will be oh so happy to "socialize" their media. Not.
These changes to the GPL were all about forcing filmakers and musicians to socialize their media. Not.
Tell me, aCapitalist, did Stallman's previous attempts to put politics into the license fail?
You seem to be on the side of DRM and patents. How typical of a Capitalist.
even if the license is legal.
Without the license its illegal to use the software. However, its perfectly legal for me to have the BSA audit your company for all infringing software and fine/sue you for 100x its retail price, which could be anything considering the value of intellectual property in your lovely capitalist society.
Since you've shown you understand very little about copyright, software licenses and specificly the GPL v3. If you still think you're right, either prove that capitalism is better than socialism or take your McCarthyism elsewhere.
making GPL v3 completely irrelevant and Stallman and the FSF even more irrelevant than they are today.
So you think Linux is irrelevant? What about GCC, Emacs, OpenOffice, KDE, GNOME, etc. Where would they be today without the (L)GPL? Can you guess who wrote those licenses? I'll give you a hint, his initials are R, M, and S.
The simplest explanation for the bending of 3 dimensional space is an extra dimension, upon which it can bend.
We know 3d phsyical space bends. This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. So why is it so hard to accept the possibility that there's more to this than we can see? The universe is like a ship in a bottle.
...the fact is, he was a person who did his utmost to live by his beliefs and to stand by what he considered important and of value.
And if he were a Nazi would you give him the same respect?
It matters more what his beliefs were and how his actions affected everyone around him than whether or not he stood by them 'til the end.
Many of us stand by our beliefs, but the best of us recognize when it's time to let them go.
He wasn't living those last moments for us, he was living them for himself, to push his legacy, whether good or bad, a little further onto the next generation of us. That's selfish unless he was a righteous and selfless man. Was he? I doubt it.
"If you're not with us, you're against us"... comes to mind.
I think we should rid ourselves of the religious right. They've cost us enough and caused us enough trouble. We can honestly say we no longer need their assistence at the helm.
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I'm glad you got a kick out of that.
I only run Windows to play games.
Tell me, do you honestly need peerguardian? Do you and your mates download illegal content and need to be protected from the *IAA? If so maybe you should consider dedicating a few more % of your CPU to erasing your ISP's logs.
Sneaker net works great for me.
You're right. And even without the LSB we would still have binary compatibility with plain old staticly compiled binaries.
Glibc is the GNU C Library. Being a library, or a file of any kind, it is subject to some of the LSB rules, such as the location of libraries within a filesystem.
/opt and /usr/local. And that's just talking about the filesystem heirarchy. I don't know all the details, but if they're anything like the LSB filesystem layout, there has to be a lot of unneccessary crap that makes it a chore for a distro to be LSB standards compliant.
Some of these rules are *nix standards and make sense in an old fassioned traditional way. Or they make sense in that we need a standard place to always find these files between different systems, in order to assume some sort of compatibility across platforms, way.
But they don't always offer the best solution. Sometimes they have unnecessary rules that should simply be optional, like
I won't be certifying my distro against the LSB and I doubt the majority will.
But Ulrich Drepper is qualified, if anyone is, to talk about the LSB. He's maintaining glibc, the most important and most used library in the GNU system. He's not some kid who booted a Knoppix CD once. He's also done a lot of stuff.
But from my perspective he hasn't had the best track record with glibc maintenance. There was a few months of beta and CVS releases during a critical time for NPTL integration with a severe lack of documentation, roadmap or anything to help out the distros. That appears to have been resolved, but leaves us with some concern about the level of professionalism displayed by core projects.
Luckily most core system software is maintained by responsible professional organizations who have a better track record than some multi-billion-dollar corporations.
I can pick a deadbolt lock nearly as fast as most people can use a key, yet I still use locks on my door.
Exactly, so why should I buy a deadbolt lock, or even take the time to install one?
Besides, my computers run faster without antivirus software, firewalls, etc.
I don't care what you, the RIAA, MPAA, malware folks or anyone else thinks about it. Because I know you're all stupid. I mean it. Seriously. Freakin morons.
Well, if they break internationalization to make a US version of GIMPshop, I doubt the GIMP developers care. But it does seem like a waste of time unless they are doing it the right way the first time, by not breaking internationalization, etc.
Its great for us English reading people, but the GIMP supports a much wider audience.
Why?
I don't see the difference between Flash and Avalon. Avalon might at least support Firefox on Linux without downloading plugins. But both are proprietary crap.
Maybe this sort of competition will force Adobe/Macromedia to consider the benefits of open source. Personally I would love to see them go out of business first.
I wouldn't buy them on PPC, I won't buy them on Intel.
The PPC was the main reason I wanted to get an Apple.
There's nothing they can do to OSX to make it appealing to me when they are ignoring ogg vorbis and partnering with the RIAA/MPAA.
No amount of rhetoric or fanatics will convince me they're on my side. Just like Microsoft, Sun, and Tivo, they are not.
Because back in the 60's everyone was on DRUGS.
Anything is possible when you're stoned. But now that we're soberly outsourcing everything we're no longer creative enough to do it with a shoestring budget, 8-bit electronics and the courage that once made this country great, or something like that.
Let me help you.
How many versions of RedHat Linux are available? Counting back to day one, I'm sure we can put together a list of something like 50. But today, there are only 3 versions available for commercial support and use. Workstation, Server and Advanced Server.
How many SuSE editions are available? Same thing.
How many Slackware versions are available? One. Slackware just has its single distro. It updates it every year or so, but its just one distro.
How many Debian Linux distros? Stable, unstable and developement? So like 3. Sure, they're available for every architecture they can support, but there are only 3.
The problem people seem to have with Linux isn't the choice between distros, its understanding that Linux comes from MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
Microsoft is one corporation. And in this case they're still behaving like a monopoly.
What people want is for them to fix their bugs, fix their security problems, which are design, not implementation problems. Fix their incompatibility issues with not supporting open document formats by default. Fix their web standards compliance.
They are the largest and most wealthy computer business on the planet but they can't afford to make their web browser compete with Firefox? Mozilla is a non-profit organization.
And then this. They offer what, 3 additional choices from their code base, instead of including all the features they touted 3 years ago and all the requested features EVERYONE has been asking for.
And then appologists like you go off and complain how Linux has millions of distros so we shouldn't pick on Microsoft's behavior.
This has nothing to do with choice, it has to do with technical merit. If they were fixing their broken stuff or offering something of value, such as a gaming edition that costs $50 for people like me who only use their crappy software to play games, then we wouldn't bitch so loudly.
yeah them, thanks :)
Have you heard of Negativeland?
Here in the US copyright law has a hard time preventing fair use of content. It does prevent verbatim copying, but the use of content for the purpose of parody, education, reference, etc. is still allowed. Its hard for them to argue that you violated copyright by using a sound clip.
And if the BBC is releasing this content for this purpose I doubt they would seek legal action to stop you, even if you technically may be in violation of some form of copyright law.
In any case if you just wanted to play around and release your mp3s on a p2p somewhere I doubt anyone would notice. The only place you might run into problems is trying to commercially license and sell your remixes. Should consider moving to the UK if you want to do that.
You should know, had you read about McCarthyism, that stereotyping everything they disagree with under labels like "terrorist" and "looter", reinforced by groupthink, brings them to the brink of becoming Nazis.
I assume you don't support the looters and terrorists.
But would you reevaluate your position if you watched a starving family loot an abandoned 7-11 for food and water for their child?
Would you support a terrorist if they were your neighbor fighting for your freedom from an oppressive government?
Or would you just call them all neocommies and throw your poop at them?
Of course there's a conspiracy. They are conspiring to try and get my money. You don't recognize that as a conspiracy?
If they want some attention they should threaten to go to Mars and start a new colony / country. If they threaten to start a communist/socialist/anarchist utopia every capitalist nation on the planet would work to preventing them the opportunity.
The only thing that scares capitalists more than the color Red is the concept of a society without money.
Besides, controversy sells.
SGI also partnerred with nVidia and shared some technology that went into the GeForce chipsets.
Then they started using nVidia cards in their low end systems. So, in a way, they adopted commoditized hardware.
They have low end Itanium and possibly Xeon systems with nVidia graphics and SGI boards, bandwidth, etc. And MIPS workstations with nVidia graphics or possibly custom SGI stuff. And they still got their high-end which the commodity market can't touch because nVidia has no interest in building industrial strength graphics tech for the PC.
Gamers don't care if a few pixels are off color by a few bits, as long as they're close to the right place and the right color. PC users care more about frame rate than quality, etc.
Most PC users, like the market for these S3 chips, are happy if they get graphics at all. They don't care if they're 800x600 or 1280x1024, as long as they're somewhat readable and mostly flicker free. They'll skimp on a monitor because their computer is nothing more than an internet enabled type writter for them.
I, personally, want good 2d and video and open drivers for multi-display cards. TV-out would be awesome. I also want good 3d with open drivers, but that is not as important. I can settle for closed 3d drivers as long as I have the option of getting a fully functional open 2d card.
But these graphics companies intellectual property is too valuable to them to give us specs. We should punish them financially for it, but we won't. We'd rather have shiny graphics than stability, performance, features, fair and balanced benchmarks for real tech comparisons, etc. Its so much easier to not think about anything and outsource everything to the lowest bidder.
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Just like one person's looter is another person's hurricane victim.
Yes, but is it because they are on the 'net, or is it because that's how uneducated they were before they got on the 'net.
The internet offers everyone access to information. Its up to them to seek it out.
Its not a broadcast media like TV, so the chances someone will be more creative after using the 'net than watching TV depend on the person, but overall, I think they would be higher. Unless all the people, or in this case their children, are stupid. But here in the US that is entirely possible.
There's nothing magic about the GPL where these projects would somehow not exist without it. You need to use reason - something you socialists/communists hate doing.
Anyway, I read the GPL. There's nothing magic about it. True. Just like there's nothing magic about electricity.
But somehow, with all their limitless knowledge and intellect, people still miss the point.
What do terrorists, communists, socialists, pagans, anarchists, and Linux developers have in common?
McCarthyism.
I prefer to use alterslash.org. Its had sans-serif fonts and an rss feed of slashdot for years.
If I dislike something I usually find an alternative instead of requesting changes.
If ( they really want my page views ) { they'll ask me what I want. } else { I just assume they don't care. }
For most people, a proportionally spaced serif font is easier to read for the body of a document, and a proportionally spaced sans-serif font is better for thing like headlines or section titles.
I'm curious how you came to this conclusion. Can I see your data?
First off, I'm sure filmakers and musicians will be oh so happy to "socialize" their media. Not.
These changes to the GPL were all about forcing filmakers and musicians to socialize their media. Not.
Tell me, aCapitalist, did Stallman's previous attempts to put politics into the license fail?
You seem to be on the side of DRM and patents. How typical of a Capitalist.
even if the license is legal.
Without the license its illegal to use the software. However, its perfectly legal for me to have the BSA audit your company for all infringing software and fine/sue you for 100x its retail price, which could be anything considering the value of intellectual property in your lovely capitalist society.
Since you've shown you understand very little about copyright, software licenses and specificly the GPL v3. If you still think you're right, either prove that capitalism is better than socialism or take your McCarthyism elsewhere.
making GPL v3 completely irrelevant and Stallman and the FSF even more irrelevant than they are today.
So you think Linux is irrelevant? What about GCC, Emacs, OpenOffice, KDE, GNOME, etc. Where would they be today without the (L)GPL? Can you guess who wrote those licenses? I'll give you a hint, his initials are R, M, and S.
The simplest explanation for the bending of 3 dimensional space is an extra dimension, upon which it can bend.
We know 3d phsyical space bends. This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. So why is it so hard to accept the possibility that there's more to this than we can see? The universe is like a ship in a bottle.
No, I'm going to go door to door. ;)
...the fact is, he was a person who did his utmost to live by his beliefs and to stand by what he considered important and of value.
And if he were a Nazi would you give him the same respect?
It matters more what his beliefs were and how his actions affected everyone around him than whether or not he stood by them 'til the end.
Many of us stand by our beliefs, but the best of us recognize when it's time to let them go.
He wasn't living those last moments for us, he was living them for himself, to push his legacy, whether good or bad, a little further onto the next generation of us. That's selfish unless he was a righteous and selfless man. Was he? I doubt it.
Why are these ideologies so incompatible?
"If you're not with us, you're against us"... comes to mind.
I think we should rid ourselves of the religious right. They've cost us enough and caused us enough trouble. We can honestly say we no longer need their assistence at the helm.