If enough good people prefer sharing there would really be no reason to pay for anything, I mean, its not like money is really based on anything anymore. And a lot of products are valuable because of their intellectual property, whatever that is..
Planes being diverted to Canada that day for Operation Northern Vigilance..
and Operation Vigilant Guardian training weeks before..
Only damage to the newly reinforced section of the Pentagon..
Pentagon has missile defense, that just happened to be switched off that day..
There's no way a 757 could have hit the Pentagon after the nation was alerted to an attack. No way, none. Not if we wanted to prevent it. I bet our defense systems would have shot it down automatically without any intervention required. We had to purposefully prevent these defenses from functioning..
So what does it take for the people to prove the government wrong? Or can governments ever be wrong in the reality you live in?
Do you have to prove it lied about 1 thing? 2? A dozen? Where do you draw the line?
Does it have to confiscate and classify 1 video? 2? A dozen?
Should I simply trust that my government is doing what is best for me and be content to be ignorant about these events?
I don't know all the facts, but I know the facts I've seen don't sync up with the official story. What would you do if you believed your government covered up something as significant as 9/11?
Like the little "tweak" that the government didn't know it was possible planes could fly into buildings?
Seems like we have to investigate this ourselves, they didn't even think it was important to investiage the attack until months/years after the evidence had been removed.
The possibility that the US government played a part in this terrorism is far more scarey than any facts we could tweak.
So, its either this Osama bin Laden, terrorist mastermind who lives in caves, with expert pilots who could crash 747s through light poles and into buildings without losing control, hitting the lawn, etc. Or its the US Government with all the resources it has at its disposal to make it look like a terrorist attack.
Well, I just don't know.. Jack must have traded his cow for some magic bullets.
But as soon as you start questioning WHO was on the planes, you start questioning WHO might have been behind the attacks. Perhaps it wasn't Osama. He certainly wasn't on the planes. How can you be so sure Al-Qaeda was involved at all? Who do you trust? Seriously, do you trust your government? Why?
No, no, there are no conspiracies. People are generally good, loving and caring. They would never hurt eachother intentionally.
And the President of the United States is a Saint!
In reality, no one has such complete control nor such prescience.
You mean, you can't imagine any organization with such complete control of the WTC and the Pentagon? Not one?
I don't believe in fairy tales and I don't believe in conspiracy theories like the official story. I do, however, believe in facts.
Fact: Governments have attacked their citizens before, often to sway public opinion. Fact: The US was attacked. Fact: The US was not attacked by Iraq. Fact: The US government lied about Iraq's involvement in the attacks, using the attacks to sway public opinion to support the war. Fact: The US government knows more than you or I about the attacks, is witholding evidence, confiscating evidence and lying.
That's enough for me to distrust. Do I think the US government allowed 9/11 to happen? Yes. Do I think they planned it? I don't know yet, that's what I'm trying to prove.
What we need to do is stop discouraging discussion on this topic. I don't know what happened on 9/11, do you? I assume you have evidence to prove your theories..
if anyone else here watched impact testing and missile tests against solid concrete bunkers, et al, showed very similar, if not exactly, the same results when compared to the Pentagon attack. The impacts would not only have sheared off the wings, but the general refusal of reinforced concrete to either snap or bend out of the way would have resulted in a misleadingly small impact site.
What's interesting to me is that there is no debrie on the lawn, no wings were torn off by those light posts, and curiously this fragile plane poked a hole through your missile tested steal reinforced concrete barrier. Do you know of anything on a 747 that could have done that? I don't.
So its either the Pentagon was not designed to withstand this type of attack, the 747 buried itself within the reinforced side of the Pentagon, somehow, disentigrating in the process. Or something smaller, like a fighter jet or a missile did this damage, and the light posts were ripped out of the ground/torn off to make it look good.
Why confiscate cameras from all surrounding areas? Why be so secretive? We all know we were attacked, its not a secret, let me tell you. But the governments actions post 9/11 have been dishonest to say the least. Anyone remember those WMDs? Did we ever find those? Did we search the Pentagon? I bet we'll find them next to the 747.
When you learn the facts surrounding 9/11, you have no choice but to live in a constant state of fear and paranoia.
My government:
Diverted all national defense forces out of the country
Refused to launch defense systems and fighters
Bombed the wrong country in retaliation
Lied
My president:
Read a kids book
And you're not affraid? Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?:)
You go on believing its possible to defeat terrorism. Don't worry, everyone will live happily ever after now that we've killed the evil arch terrorist Suddam Hussein.
An interesting cooincidence in all of this is that the Loose Change video on 911, the WTC and the Pentagon, hit number 2 on video.google.com's top 100, and is number 1 today. It had been rising steadily since the Colbert Report's Correspondence Dinner. I think they're trying to counter some of the evidence show in this documentary. A little too late, IMO. This Loose Change video is everyone, already translated into every language.
Seems odd to me that we don't have full-frame-rate surveillance at the Pentagon. But I guess it must be cheaper. Why are they using color cameras, anyway? Wouldn't B&W be cheaper yet? What about USB? Hehe.
9/11 must have lots of grassy knolls, then. Plenty of grass for everyone to sit and discuss what they saw. No harm in speculating about it, is there? Harmless conspiracy theories will never change your reality, so why are you so discouraging? Why even waste your time trying to discredit them?
How much mass and how much reinforced structure is it hitting?
I like physics.. care to hash out the problem for me? I'm lazy..
Besides, seismic data cannot be falsified. Care to explain how a building could create a magnitude 2.3 seismic disturbance moments before its collapse? A truck bomb, or anything not attacked to the ground, doesn't even register.
An explosion at a gasoline tank farm near Newark NJ on January 7, 1983 generated observable P and S waves and short-period Rg waves (ML3) at PAL. Its Rg is comparable to that for WTC collapse 2.
Whatever happened on Sep. 11th, it wasn't just planes flying into buildings. To believe the official story you gotta throw the laws of physics out the window. Thus the US government is lying. Duh!
There is proof that the official story is bullshit. So what you got to put this genie back in the bottle, hmm?
It comes down to words like theory and data and scientific method, but I'm sure its just a fad.
Don't worry, go on believing they'll never figure it out. This CSI watching generation will have the wool pulled right over their eyes just like the last. There's no difference about their use of blogs and media and networks that could change a thing.
But what if we're wrong? That's what I want to know.. what do you think will happen if you're wrong?
Slashdot Mirror
Makes sense..
If enough good people prefer sharing there would really be no reason to pay for anything, I mean, its not like money is really based on anything anymore. And a lot of products are valuable because of their intellectual property, whatever that is..
Hrmm, I believe in The Abolition of Work.
This is also interesting..
then I stand by my word that conspiracy theorists have hardly anything to go on.
Well, alrighty, then. You do that.
I miss the good ole days when satire could be subtle.
:P
Doh! Sorry about that.
Erector sets, sure, and Lincoln Logs, TinkerToys, K'NEX, but Construx were my favorite.
:)
But don't let that stop you, continue explaining how its all possible. Please. With diagrams and physics... oh, I love physics.
Too many facts that don't add up..
Planes being diverted to Canada that day for Operation Northern Vigilance..
and Operation Vigilant Guardian training weeks before..
Only damage to the newly reinforced section of the Pentagon..
Pentagon has missile defense, that just happened to be switched off that day..
There's no way a 757 could have hit the Pentagon after the nation was alerted to an attack. No way, none. Not if we wanted to prevent it. I bet our defense systems would have shot it down automatically without any intervention required. We had to purposefully prevent these defenses from functioning..
So what does it take for the people to prove the government wrong? Or can governments ever be wrong in the reality you live in?
Do you have to prove it lied about 1 thing? 2? A dozen? Where do you draw the line?
Does it have to confiscate and classify 1 video? 2? A dozen?
Should I simply trust that my government is doing what is best for me and be content to be ignorant about these events?
I don't know all the facts, but I know the facts I've seen don't sync up with the official story. What would you do if you believed your government covered up something as significant as 9/11?
Like the little "tweak" that the government didn't know it was possible planes could fly into buildings?
Seems like we have to investigate this ourselves, they didn't even think it was important to investiage the attack until months/years after the evidence had been removed.
The possibility that the US government played a part in this terrorism is far more scarey than any facts we could tweak.
Again, think of the quintissential truss structure: a house of cards.
That's funny. World's tallest structures, made out of cards.
Dude, we know you "buy" the official story. No need to repeat it. We've heard it all before.
Go smoke a bowl or something.
There's an interesting video that's reached number 1 on Google's Top 100 called Loose Change by Alex Jones.
It highlights all the oddities surrounding that day.
The truth will set you free.
Did you watch Loose Change?
:)
Funny, there's no mention of ten-gallon hats anywhere in that film, huh.
Why are you trying to discourage discussion about this topic?
Do you know what happened?
Occam's Razor
Its interesting you mention Occam's Razor.
So, its either this Osama bin Laden, terrorist mastermind who lives in caves, with expert pilots who could crash 747s through light poles and into buildings without losing control, hitting the lawn, etc. Or its the US Government with all the resources it has at its disposal to make it look like a terrorist attack.
Well, I just don't know.. Jack must have traded his cow for some magic bullets.
We don't even know if they were on the planes..
but we assume planes don't fly themselves..
But as soon as you start questioning WHO was on the planes, you start questioning WHO might have been behind the attacks. Perhaps it wasn't Osama. He certainly wasn't on the planes. How can you be so sure Al-Qaeda was involved at all? Who do you trust? Seriously, do you trust your government? Why?
No, no, there are no conspiracies. People are generally good, loving and caring. They would never hurt eachother intentionally.
And the President of the United States is a Saint!
In reality, no one has such complete control nor such prescience.
You mean, you can't imagine any organization with such complete control of the WTC and the Pentagon? Not one?
I don't believe in fairy tales and I don't believe in conspiracy theories like the official story. I do, however, believe in facts.
Fact: Governments have attacked their citizens before, often to sway public opinion.
Fact: The US was attacked.
Fact: The US was not attacked by Iraq.
Fact: The US government lied about Iraq's involvement in the attacks, using the attacks to sway public opinion to support the war.
Fact: The US government knows more than you or I about the attacks, is witholding evidence, confiscating evidence and lying.
That's enough for me to distrust. Do I think the US government allowed 9/11 to happen? Yes. Do I think they planned it? I don't know yet, that's what I'm trying to prove.
What we need to do is stop discouraging discussion on this topic. I don't know what happened on 9/11, do you? I assume you have evidence to prove your theories..
Prove you are educated:
Did Iraq have the Weapons of Mass Destruction our government used as evidence for the cause to start this war?
if anyone else here watched impact testing and missile tests against solid concrete bunkers, et al, showed very similar, if not exactly, the same results when compared to the Pentagon attack. The impacts would not only have sheared off the wings, but the general refusal of reinforced concrete to either snap or bend out of the way would have resulted in a misleadingly small impact site.
What's interesting to me is that there is no debrie on the lawn, no wings were torn off by those light posts, and curiously this fragile plane poked a hole through your missile tested steal reinforced concrete barrier. Do you know of anything on a 747 that could have done that? I don't.
So its either the Pentagon was not designed to withstand this type of attack, the 747 buried itself within the reinforced side of the Pentagon, somehow, disentigrating in the process. Or something smaller, like a fighter jet or a missile did this damage, and the light posts were ripped out of the ground/torn off to make it look good.
Why confiscate cameras from all surrounding areas? Why be so secretive? We all know we were attacked, its not a secret, let me tell you. But the governments actions post 9/11 have been dishonest to say the least. Anyone remember those WMDs? Did we ever find those? Did we search the Pentagon? I bet we'll find them next to the 747.
My government:
My president:
And you're not affraid? Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
You go on believing its possible to defeat terrorism. Don't worry, everyone will live happily ever after now that we've killed the evil arch terrorist Suddam Hussein.
An interesting cooincidence in all of this is that the Loose Change video on 911, the WTC and the Pentagon, hit number 2 on video.google.com's top 100, and is number 1 today. It had been rising steadily since the Colbert Report's Correspondence Dinner. I think they're trying to counter some of the evidence show in this documentary. A little too late, IMO. This Loose Change video is everyone, already translated into every language.
It almost brings a tear to my eye.
Seems odd to me that we don't have full-frame-rate surveillance at the Pentagon. But I guess it must be cheaper. Why are they using color cameras, anyway? Wouldn't B&W be cheaper yet? What about USB? Hehe.
This government is funny.
9/11 must have lots of grassy knolls, then. Plenty of grass for everyone to sit and discuss what they saw. No harm in speculating about it, is there? Harmless conspiracy theories will never change your reality, so why are you so discouraging? Why even waste your time trying to discredit them?
It wouldn't?
Proving that the government caused the WTC collapse wouldn't change political reality.. hrmmm.
That's interesting.
How much mass and how much reinforced structure is it hitting?
w w.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_WTC/WTC_LDEO_ KIM.pdf+Lamont-Doherty+Earth+Observatory+Sep.+11+2 001&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox-a
I like physics.. care to hash out the problem for me? I'm lazy..
Besides, seismic data cannot be falsified. Care to explain how a building could create a magnitude 2.3 seismic disturbance moments before its collapse? A truck bomb, or anything not attacked to the ground, doesn't even register.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:mWrTSEreU6UJ:w
In case you don't read it, here's a quote:
An explosion at a gasoline tank farm near Newark NJ on January 7, 1983 generated observable P and S waves and short-period Rg waves (ML3) at PAL. Its Rg is comparable to that for
WTC collapse 2.
Whatever happened on Sep. 11th, it wasn't just planes flying into buildings. To believe the official story you gotta throw the laws of physics out the window. Thus the US government is lying. Duh!
There is proof that the official story is bullshit. So what you got to put this genie back in the bottle, hmm?
Okay, we'll stop throwing rocks in your glass house.
Does that make you feel better?
I disagree.
It comes down to words like theory and data and scientific method, but I'm sure its just a fad.
Don't worry, go on believing they'll never figure it out. This CSI watching generation will have the wool pulled right over their eyes just like the last. There's no difference about their use of blogs and media and networks that could change a thing.
But what if we're wrong? That's what I want to know.. what do you think will happen if you're wrong?
Your reactionary peabrain didn't even comprehend the post you replied to.
I'm sorry, it was difficult to understand this:
I one has to realize that it wouldn't, so therefore harping on this stuff is really a pointless activity.
please forgive me for being emotional about this subject..