I imagine the 4x4 will be about 50% faster than the faster Intel desktop system. But its still locked down. CPU clock multiplier lock and CPU/cHT lock to prevent more than 2 CPUs. Its stupid to do this intentionally, when we're capable of so much more.
What incentive does it give me to buy a system that's twice as fast for twice the price?
Its called capitalism. This is what happens naturally if we do nothing to slow it down or stop it. But it will probably be your kids problem to deal with, not mine..;)
Without us AMD fanboys Intel might not have so much competition...
It makes sense to me to have people fanatic about the underdog, because it helps balance our fragile capitalist system, where the monopoly is a nature progression of the corporation. It will probably eventually lead to fascism when the justice department gets bought out or gives up the fight.
So I think being fanatic about a monopoly is just stupid, unless they give you lots of free stuff or something.
I'm a fan of competition and technology and anyone who competes with their minds instead of their wallets.
Why are you talking servers with Conroe and Athlon64? Should you be looking at Woodcrest and Opteron as Intel and AMD suggest for stable server use?
Yes, overclockability matters to me on the desktop. If AMD wants my money they'll pull out the bolt cutters and take off the locks. Or they'll dump billions in process tech and pray they can catch up to Intel in time for the holidays. Its really up to them.
What have they got to lose? I overclock and blow my CPU and rush down to Fry's to grab a new one? Or I purchase the sweet spot ~$300 chip and overclock it to match the performance of their $1000 chips.. but before we had cpu multiplier locks we didn't have $1000 consumer class chips. Evidence that the lock is an artificial monopoly for both Intel and AMD.
Its about time AMD drops the anti-trust/monopolistic practices and gets back to the real tech. No more making excuses for their sorry ass benchmarks. No more hoping lower latency RAM will make a difference. No more fanboyism from me. What incentive do I got anymore?
I want to help them, I want to be on their side. I like them more than Intel. But now they're overpriced. Its going to be hard for them to be competitive again. It might take years.
I don't just "believe" new technology is bug free until I verify it. Unfortunately Opterons have been out of my price range. I suspect there will be bugs in their cheap multi-cpu consumer class boards. Want to bet on it?
They could have bought my loyalty by not separating the Operaton and Athlon64 lines..
I bought an MP system back in the day. Today its cheaper to buy a new dual core system than to upgrade the CPUs in that MP system because its AMD's proprietary server tech.
I don't need it. If AMD don't want to work with me, if they should me they don't like me by locking me out of their tech I'll find someone else. If I'm going to support just another monopoly I might as well support Intel. I thought AMD was different. I thought they were on the consumer's side. But now I can't see how they are. They're on their own, until they offer me the olive branch in the form of a dual-core AM2 @ 3.0 Ghz for no more than $300. Can't do it? Tough, Intel can.
That's funny.. but true. They're effectively lowering the price of their Opterons..
But since they've just kept us consumers locked out of the SMP Opterons with their socket 939 I feel like they intentionally tried to slow progress towards multi-cpu desktops.. Now they're all for it? Hypocrites!
Yes, but I can overclock a $300 Intel chip to 3.0 GHz..
I could have 4 AMD cores, sure, but they'll still be 2.0 GHz no matter what I do, and cost me twice the price + extra expensive and buggy SMP motherboard. The Intel will be faster per clock and have a billion extra clock cycles per process/second.
AMD lost me here.. They need to convince me they will continue to lower prices and maintain a competitive product. At this point I'm not convince they can catch up to Intel again.. Intel has greater market share, lower costs and wider margins. AMD had opportunity, but I think they won't have it for long..
Let us not forget clock multiplier locks, single CPU desktop locks, and extremely high price deltas for very very little performance gain between chips.
AMD has not made a friend of this customer. They would have to beg me to stick with them now. They will truely have to beat Intel on price/performance AND overclockability. A C2D 2.4 can overclock well above 3.0 for around $320. At 3.0 the C2D beats the best Opertons for 90% of desktop workloads. I'm interested in video encoding, gaming, compiling and a little data processing. I think I can suffer with a few extra seconds on my builds or home web server requests for the benefit of having a 3.0Ghz dual-core chip for around $300.. I said AMD should have had this out by now, but they won't.. they're stoopid.
What incentive can they give me to purchase a 4x4 now? How can they convince me they're on my side and not their own? I don't think they can.. I don't think they want to.. AM2 is a disappointment.. another XP/MP setup for me to pay for, huh? Fuck that!
I hate adwords and avoid websites and businesses who make use of them. Adwords are more annoying than a banner. I think it would be intelligent to acknowledge your customers are conscious people who don't like to be bothered by your salemen. Instead of getting in their face with your ads, maybe you should create a site that attracts customers with good custmoer services, quality products and low prices? Nah, that would be too much like work.
Why would someone be passionate about being under control and made to conform with someone else's order? Money? Does money deserve my passion, devotion and true love? I think I need more than money. I think I need something I believe in.
Does the employer own the employee? Do they own the employee's work, time and thoughts? During what hours? Can they order their employees to work? During what hours? Being passionate about the work one does is simply being respectful. If their employees aren't passionate, maybe they're doing something wrong. Is it respectful to treat people like you own them, their time or their thoughts?
Its really quite simple, just smile when they're looking your way.;)
Honestly, learn the art of misdirection, or magic or whatever you want to call it.. Don't break the law. And when you do decide to break the law don't be stupid about it.
Standard RAID 5 XORs data between all disks, resulting in an automatic 1 disk of parity. Additional parity disks can be added easily. So unless ZFS offers live dynamic parity scaling or something new here, its no different than any other RAID..
The main benefits to having ZFS are its volume management and extended file/partition size limits. However, nobody I know has exceeded the ext3, NTFS, XFS, or HFS+ file or partition size limits. And volume management for workstations is a piece of cake.
At this time I could not see the benefit of ZFS being worth the additional cost of a Sun system. but 24TB in 4U? Now that's something to talk about.
But those who do manage to unify their passion with their career are more effective employees.
and still treated poorly by management..
What incentive is there to unify our passion with our career when we can just do enough to get by?
Most employers can't tell the difference between someone who is passionate about their work and someone who is punctual but merely claims to be passionate about their work.
No, A 757 could only make it through the outer three rings of The Pentagon, something previously thought impossible.
I'm certain Google's founders are using their new found wealth to plot another terrorist attack and set a new world record for how many buildings can be taken down by planes in a day, to distract us from the real Iraq.
They're not evil, they just work for the government.
Increasingly, Slashdot is suffering from more and more of this.
Slashdot, or slashdot readers? I suspect slashdot gets paid for posting content from time to time.
But anyway, it looks like slashdot readers are more interested in making fun of Balmer, which I think would be a failure for the MS PR machine, aside from the controversy.
So Intel's 95% of the profits and 88% of the market cap only nets them about ~20% performance bonus over AMD's tech? Something must be wrong with Intel, I think they're hiring either bad engineers or bad management when compared with AMD.
Of course their focus has not been on the x86 desktop market for some time..
Yes. Any number of things would kill OSS, but if you really wanted to kill it right now vendor liability for bugs would be a very good way to do it. I say give it a shot.;)
The alternative is to believe a truely distributed system, such as the internet, is impossible to kill. But that's only a theory.
Sure, but there are many ways to do name resolution besides DNS.
DNS might be more robust than LDAP at the moment, but I heard LDAP performs better and with enough global cooperation one day we might be able to replace DNS with something more efficient. Anyway, I think the main problems with DNS are security (not so bad, mostly spoofing), enhancibility and ICANN.
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I imagine the 4x4 will be about 50% faster than the faster Intel desktop system. But its still locked down. CPU clock multiplier lock and CPU/cHT lock to prevent more than 2 CPUs. Its stupid to do this intentionally, when we're capable of so much more.
What incentive does it give me to buy a system that's twice as fast for twice the price?
Yep.
;)
Its called capitalism. This is what happens naturally if we do nothing to slow it down or stop it. But it will probably be your kids problem to deal with, not mine..
Without us AMD fanboys Intel might not have so much competition...
It makes sense to me to have people fanatic about the underdog, because it helps balance our fragile capitalist system, where the monopoly is a nature progression of the corporation. It will probably eventually lead to fascism when the justice department gets bought out or gives up the fight.
So I think being fanatic about a monopoly is just stupid, unless they give you lots of free stuff or something.
I'm a fan of competition and technology and anyone who competes with their minds instead of their wallets.
Why are you talking servers with Conroe and Athlon64? Should you be looking at Woodcrest and Opteron as Intel and AMD suggest for stable server use?
Yes, overclockability matters to me on the desktop. If AMD wants my money they'll pull out the bolt cutters and take off the locks. Or they'll dump billions in process tech and pray they can catch up to Intel in time for the holidays. Its really up to them.
What have they got to lose? I overclock and blow my CPU and rush down to Fry's to grab a new one? Or I purchase the sweet spot ~$300 chip and overclock it to match the performance of their $1000 chips.. but before we had cpu multiplier locks we didn't have $1000 consumer class chips. Evidence that the lock is an artificial monopoly for both Intel and AMD.
Its about time AMD drops the anti-trust/monopolistic practices and gets back to the real tech. No more making excuses for their sorry ass benchmarks. No more hoping lower latency RAM will make a difference. No more fanboyism from me. What incentive do I got anymore?
I want to help them, I want to be on their side. I like them more than Intel. But now they're overpriced. Its going to be hard for them to be competitive again. It might take years.
I have an AMD MP tyan system, unstable as hell.
I don't just "believe" new technology is bug free until I verify it. Unfortunately Opterons have been out of my price range. I suspect there will be bugs in their cheap multi-cpu consumer class boards. Want to bet on it?
They could have bought my loyalty by not separating the Operaton and Athlon64 lines..
I bought an MP system back in the day. Today its cheaper to buy a new dual core system than to upgrade the CPUs in that MP system because its AMD's proprietary server tech.
I don't need it. If AMD don't want to work with me, if they should me they don't like me by locking me out of their tech I'll find someone else. If I'm going to support just another monopoly I might as well support Intel. I thought AMD was different. I thought they were on the consumer's side. But now I can't see how they are. They're on their own, until they offer me the olive branch in the form of a dual-core AM2 @ 3.0 Ghz for no more than $300. Can't do it? Tough, Intel can.
I don't know where you studied comp sci, but NT can easily handle as many cores as you can afford.
And I'm a freakin Linux Zealot! Maybe RTFM next time.
last time I checked the cache wasn't shared
I wonder, when was the last time you checked?
I agree, I don't see anyone lining up to sell cHT chips..
physx chips are already on graphics and PCI cards..
AMD NEEDS the extra CPU to keep up with Intel, AND the extra money from enthusiasts.. but somehow I bet this will backfire.
that has not been the case for me since I replaced a 450 mhz slot 2 xeon with a 700mhz slot A thunderbird.
Same here. Oh, well, what's one less AMD fanatic? They'll never miss us.
That's funny.. but true. They're effectively lowering the price of their Opterons..
But since they've just kept us consumers locked out of the SMP Opterons with their socket 939 I feel like they intentionally tried to slow progress towards multi-cpu desktops.. Now they're all for it? Hypocrites!
Yes, but I can overclock a $300 Intel chip to 3.0 GHz..
I could have 4 AMD cores, sure, but they'll still be 2.0 GHz no matter what I do, and cost me twice the price + extra expensive and buggy SMP motherboard. The Intel will be faster per clock and have a billion extra clock cycles per process/second.
AMD lost me here.. They need to convince me they will continue to lower prices and maintain a competitive product. At this point I'm not convince they can catch up to Intel again.. Intel has greater market share, lower costs and wider margins. AMD had opportunity, but I think they won't have it for long..
Let us not forget clock multiplier locks, single CPU desktop locks, and extremely high price deltas for very very little performance gain between chips.
AMD has not made a friend of this customer. They would have to beg me to stick with them now. They will truely have to beat Intel on price/performance AND overclockability. A C2D 2.4 can overclock well above 3.0 for around $320. At 3.0 the C2D beats the best Opertons for 90% of desktop workloads. I'm interested in video encoding, gaming, compiling and a little data processing. I think I can suffer with a few extra seconds on my builds or home web server requests for the benefit of having a 3.0Ghz dual-core chip for around $300.. I said AMD should have had this out by now, but they won't.. they're stoopid.
What incentive can they give me to purchase a 4x4 now? How can they convince me they're on my side and not their own? I don't think they can.. I don't think they want to.. AM2 is a disappointment.. another XP/MP setup for me to pay for, huh? Fuck that!
yeah, im confusing things here, nm :P
Those hyperlinks mouse-over ads suck.. don't mind Google AdWords so much..
I hate adwords and avoid websites and businesses who make use of them. Adwords are more annoying than a banner. I think it would be intelligent to acknowledge your customers are conscious people who don't like to be bothered by your salemen. Instead of getting in their face with your ads, maybe you should create a site that attracts customers with good custmoer services, quality products and low prices? Nah, that would be too much like work.
Yes, the transactional writes are cool.. but the checksum stuff concerns me a bit, those extra CPU cycles aren't free..
Why would someone be passionate about being under control and made to conform with someone else's order? Money? Does money deserve my passion, devotion and true love? I think I need more than money. I think I need something I believe in.
Does the employer own the employee? Do they own the employee's work, time and thoughts? During what hours? Can they order their employees to work? During what hours? Being passionate about the work one does is simply being respectful. If their employees aren't passionate, maybe they're doing something wrong. Is it respectful to treat people like you own them, their time or their thoughts?
I am.
;)
Its really quite simple, just smile when they're looking your way.
Honestly, learn the art of misdirection, or magic or whatever you want to call it.. Don't break the law. And when you do decide to break the law don't be stupid about it.
Standard RAID 5 XORs data between all disks, resulting in an automatic 1 disk of parity. Additional parity disks can be added easily. So unless ZFS offers live dynamic parity scaling or something new here, its no different than any other RAID..
The main benefits to having ZFS are its volume management and extended file/partition size limits. However, nobody I know has exceeded the ext3, NTFS, XFS, or HFS+ file or partition size limits. And volume management for workstations is a piece of cake.
At this time I could not see the benefit of ZFS being worth the additional cost of a Sun system. but 24TB in 4U? Now that's something to talk about.
sounds complicated.. I'd rather stick with what I know. ;)
But those who do manage to unify their passion with their career are more effective employees.
and still treated poorly by management..
What incentive is there to unify our passion with our career when we can just do enough to get by?
Most employers can't tell the difference between someone who is passionate about their work and someone who is punctual but merely claims to be passionate about their work.
Isn't a 767 a bit of overkill??
No, A 757 could only make it through the outer three rings of The Pentagon, something previously thought impossible.
I'm certain Google's founders are using their new found wealth to plot another terrorist attack and set a new world record for how many buildings can be taken down by planes in a day, to distract us from the real Iraq.
They're not evil, they just work for the government.
Increasingly, Slashdot is suffering from more and more of this.
Slashdot, or slashdot readers? I suspect slashdot gets paid for posting content from time to time.
But anyway, it looks like slashdot readers are more interested in making fun of Balmer, which I think would be a failure for the MS PR machine, aside from the controversy.
So Intel's 95% of the profits and 88% of the market cap only nets them about ~20% performance bonus over AMD's tech? Something must be wrong with Intel, I think they're hiring either bad engineers or bad management when compared with AMD.
Of course their focus has not been on the x86 desktop market for some time..
Yes. Any number of things would kill OSS, but if you really wanted to kill it right now vendor liability for bugs would be a very good way to do it. I say give it a shot. ;)
The alternative is to believe a truely distributed system, such as the internet, is impossible to kill. But that's only a theory.
Sure, but there are many ways to do name resolution besides DNS.
DNS might be more robust than LDAP at the moment, but I heard LDAP performs better and with enough global cooperation one day we might be able to replace DNS with something more efficient. Anyway, I think the main problems with DNS are security (not so bad, mostly spoofing), enhancibility and ICANN.