Re:I cant really see who this chip is targeted at
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I have a K6-2 and while yes it's a good chip - it isn't as good as it's cracked up to be.
Win 95 had a timing issue that caused a general protection error 50% of the time. (fixed with a patch of the m$ site).
Seti@home took around 18 hours on BSD to do a workunit, my friend who has a p2 same clock speed does them in 8 hours (in BSD) - that seems indicative of a bad fpu to me. (or pentium only optimisation - either is bad)
I've bought plenty of games, and a sizeable proportion either need patching or fail completely because of incompatibilities with the AMD chip. A notable recent release, Homeworld has these problems on many systems (mine works flakily). And it's not uncommon.
When the time comes for me to upgrade i'll most likely go with whatever the dominant chip in the marketplace is, even if the performance / cost isn't quite so good.
Sure, the AMD is fast but I and many others have been burnt in the past.
btw, I consider myself a hardcore gamer - buy at least 1 game a month - but I see no reason to spend $$$'s to stay ahead of the power curve. The K6-2 350, A3D sound card & TNT 1 is absolutely fine for the majority of new games. Homeworld, Command & Conquer and System Shock 2 all work beatifully on that spec.
I'll upgrade when my system is the minimum spec, rather than the recommended spec it currently is - and save enough to buy plenty of games, go on a holiday & have some nice meals in a restaraunt.
NetFinity is hardly high end... We target stuff for the big Sun boxes, they may not be that good performance wise - they were bought for their build quality. The box I mostly target is a domain on an e10k - 4 ultrasparcs, 1gb ram. The whole machine cost a LOT of money, but it has stupidly high redundancy, failover and stability.
3D Now extensions in M$ products like office and maybe some special support in NT and 98 for it also.
You hit the nail on the head! The real problem with Office isn't that it's bloated.
Nope the real problem is the hidden flight sim easter egg isn't optimised for my TNT and 3d Now. The frame rates would be much better!
I cant really see who this chip is targeted at
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Traditionally AMD chips have gone into the low end consumer "multimedia" machine and into the boxes of gamers in the know / people who aren't ready to upgrade to intels proprietary chip hole.
Now this chip is expensive & probably needs a new MB to take advantage of it. This is an expensive upgrade - so who will go for it?
Graphics / Video people? Nope these people are most likely to be looking at a G4 Mac or SGI these days. Or at least an x86 with history of good FPU performance (intel)
Gamers? Nope, this is probably too expensive - and after the history of bad fpu and wierd incompatibilities / crash bugs that AMD has, I cant see gamers going for it.
Servers? I really can't see it. Intel are firmly established in the server space, and cant see that ending.
Office workstations? Nope, they will continue to be mid ranged intel cheaps supplied in bulk by Compaq / IBM. There is no need for this power.
Consumer boxes? Nope too expensive.
Sure it's a nice bit of kit, but who exactly would buy one? The big manufacturers won't use them considering AMD's history of supply problems.
Solaris is a pretty good OS and we use solaris i386 to develop stuff that targets actual Sun boxes. However, I don't rate the i386 version that highly, the cool thing about Linux is that it runs well on commodity hardware, and has large amounts of support for esoteric bits & pieces - ie the perfect hobbyists machine & good for a cheap server. Now solaris on the other hand is designed for and works best on Sun's own hardware, and is rock solid in this guise. Unfortunately the hardware is more expensive than commodity pc stuff, (it is built a lot better) - which makes it a lot less useful for hobbyists / people saving cash.
Theoretically we can provide ADSL. In reality, because of the way BT charge for access to their network it is impractical for any competition to do so until the local loop is unbundled (planned for 2002ish). What you're talking about is the wholesale deals BT offer to ISP's. What i'm talking about is the freedom for ISP's to choose to buy their ADSL connectivity from a telco other than BT.
The problem is the control BT exerts on the local loop. Until these telcos can get free & unfettered access to this last mile, the cannot compete in local calls and have to continue making their money by supplying national, international calls, bulk phone line installs and data.
We'd love to be able to come in and drop ADSL right into your home / business - but until we get access to the exchanges this cant happen.
Visit the website http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ which explains the current state of legislation in the UK on telephony charging, what is being done to address it and why these announcements by BT & Freeserve are pretty irrelevent.
Re:As far as I can see...
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hence the j/k addendum, this is a tried and true tactic we british use to wind up Americans. for some unknown reason they get rather defensive about this, can you enlighten me as to why?
If I remember rightly, a company founded by an ex ZX Spectrum programmer, Tao were flaunting a radical new byte code based OS a few years ago. This theoritcally allowed systems to be built with Multiple (Different) Processors and scale across them properly. Surely the work done by these people would have included this specific idea?
Nowadays they seem to be concentrating on Java bytecode stuff and embedded systems... In the states they would have undoubtedly got mucho Venture Capital. Over here in the UK they are struggling.
Either the people at Transmeta really need to take a course in basic english and especially punctuation or that they have a random patent generator that strings together random combinations of processor, executed, processing, circuits, determination and stores.
My money is on the latter, maybe Linus whipped together a Perl script in his lunch hour?
Re:What an beautiful Foobar...
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Dear Mr. Straw
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The word you're looking for is Fubar which stands for Fucked Up Beyond All Releif. Foobar is a generic word coders use for (usually temporary) variable names or used by slashdot readers who find their prefered choice of Nick is already gone...
The typical twenty-first-century person?s day, he predicts, will include: "Skimming five hundred channel program listings, two hours; viewing television programs selected, four hours; catching up on recorded programs, six hours; exploring the hyperweb, six hours; and adventuring in artificial reality, four hours." He didn?t even mention checking e-mail, answering fax-spewing and stock-listing cellphones, or responding to pagers and beepers.
2+4+6+6+4 = 22 which unless these hours are in Internet time leaves just 2 hours for sleeping / eating etc.
New media eat into the timeshare enjoyed by older ones - my TV viewing time has fallen dramatically since I got net access. And i'm pretty sure this applies across the majority of people who use the net.
Sorry, but to use a cliche: There just isn't enough hours in the day.
Actually viper.cpp is some of the source code for ms transaction server, shipped as part of IIS, obviously the code is only available in Redmond so our app crashed because ms writes buggy code
Script kiddies are a Win32 / Redhat breed - we want generic user types. My friend the micro~1 consumer gamer switched to RedHat recently. Is that a bad thing? no it was the easiest entry for him at the time and now he is "one of us".
Quit being so high n mighty about this. It isn't about fscking kudos, its about making *everyones* experience better
It isn't stable on any platform let alone the unstoppable Windows NT (how exactly do I stop it?)
Hate to say this but IE on Windoze is a *far* better browser
Re:A little perspective
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That of course is shite. Linux is a great thing, but without weenies is will be a great thing that never happened. (should we set up a focus group? j/k)
Our ASP based application suffered crashes 2-3 times a day because of errors in viper.cpp (whatever the hell that is) including physical reboot. Apache / PHP hasn't crashed once in 9 months however.
The majority of professional coders cannot do this. PHP caters for far more people, m$ technologies even more.
We have a coder working for us (not me) that coulddn't understand that the idea of of putting an Access database on a shared drive as the backend was a bad idea. I'm a Unix person and had to tell him this... Now to get him coding servlets?
The majority of professional coders cannot do this. PHP caters for far more people, m$ technologies even more.
We have a coder working for us (not me) that coulddn't understand that the idea of of putting an Access database on a shared drive as the backend was a bad idea. I'm a Unix person and had to tell him this... Now to get him coding servlets?
Java servlet are just *too* difficult for the average (non slashdot reading) coder - PHP, PERL, ASP & CF are all about the right level for these people, i like PHP, ASP breaks, CF is limited and Perl is a mess.
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I have a K6-2 and while yes it's a good chip - it isn't as good as it's cracked up to be.
Win 95 had a timing issue that caused a general protection error 50% of the time. (fixed with a patch of the m$ site).
Seti@home took around 18 hours on BSD to do a workunit, my friend who has a p2 same clock speed does them in 8 hours (in BSD) - that seems indicative of a bad fpu to me. (or pentium only optimisation - either is bad)
I've bought plenty of games, and a sizeable proportion either need patching or fail completely because of incompatibilities with the AMD chip. A notable recent release, Homeworld has these problems on many systems (mine works flakily). And it's not uncommon.
When the time comes for me to upgrade i'll most likely go with whatever the dominant chip in the marketplace is, even if the performance / cost isn't quite so good.
Sure, the AMD is fast but I and many others have been burnt in the past.
btw, I consider myself a hardcore gamer - buy at least 1 game a month - but I see no reason to spend $$$'s to stay ahead of the power curve. The K6-2 350, A3D sound card & TNT 1 is absolutely fine for the majority of new games. Homeworld, Command & Conquer and System Shock 2 all work beatifully on that spec.
I'll upgrade when my system is the minimum spec, rather than the recommended spec it currently is - and save enough to buy plenty of games, go on a holiday & have some nice meals in a restaraunt.
NetFinity is hardly high end... We target stuff for the big Sun boxes, they may not be that good performance wise - they were bought for their build quality. The box I mostly target is a domain on an e10k - 4 ultrasparcs, 1gb ram. The whole machine cost a LOT of money, but it has stupidly high redundancy, failover and stability.
3D Now extensions in M$ products like office and maybe some special support in NT and 98 for it also.
You hit the nail on the head! The real problem with Office isn't that it's bloated.
Nope the real problem is the hidden flight sim easter egg isn't optimised for my TNT and 3d Now. The frame rates would be much better!
Traditionally AMD chips have gone into the low end consumer "multimedia" machine and into the boxes of gamers in the know / people who aren't ready to upgrade to intels proprietary chip hole.
Now this chip is expensive & probably needs a new MB to take advantage of it. This is an expensive upgrade - so who will go for it?
Graphics / Video people? Nope these people are most likely to be looking at a G4 Mac or SGI these days. Or at least an x86 with history of good FPU performance (intel)
Gamers? Nope, this is probably too expensive - and after the history of bad fpu and wierd incompatibilities / crash bugs that AMD has, I cant see gamers going for it.
Servers? I really can't see it. Intel are firmly established in the server space, and cant see that ending.
Office workstations? Nope, they will continue to be mid ranged intel cheaps supplied in bulk by Compaq / IBM. There is no need for this power.
Consumer boxes? Nope too expensive.
Sure it's a nice bit of kit, but who exactly would buy one? The big manufacturers won't use them considering AMD's history of supply problems.
Solaris is a pretty good OS and we use solaris i386 to develop stuff that targets actual Sun boxes. However, I don't rate the i386 version that highly, the cool thing about Linux is that it runs well on commodity hardware, and has large amounts of support for esoteric bits & pieces - ie the perfect hobbyists machine & good for a cheap server. Now solaris on the other hand is designed for and works best on Sun's own hardware, and is rock solid in this guise. Unfortunately the hardware is more expensive than commodity pc stuff, (it is built a lot better) - which makes it a lot less useful for hobbyists / people saving cash.
Theoretically we can provide ADSL. In reality, because of the way BT charge for access to their network it is impractical for any competition to do so until the local loop is unbundled (planned for 2002ish). What you're talking about is the wholesale deals BT offer to ISP's. What i'm talking about is the freedom for ISP's to choose to buy their ADSL connectivity from a telco other than BT.
The problem is the control BT exerts on the local loop. Until these telcos can get free & unfettered access to this last mile, the cannot compete in local calls and have to continue making their money by supplying national, international calls, bulk phone line installs and data.
We'd love to be able to come in and drop ADSL right into your home / business - but until we get access to the exchanges this cant happen.
And no i'm not saying who we are.
I meant AOL not BT, it's kinda early here....
Visit the website http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ which explains the current state of legislation in the UK on telephony charging, what is being done to address it and why these announcements by BT & Freeserve are pretty irrelevent.
hence the j/k addendum, this is a tried and true tactic we british use to wind up Americans. for some unknown reason they get rather defensive about this, can you enlighten me as to why?
If I remember rightly, a company founded by an ex ZX Spectrum programmer, Tao were flaunting a radical new byte code based OS a few years ago. This theoritcally allowed systems to be built with Multiple (Different) Processors and scale across them properly. Surely the work done by these people would have included this specific idea?
Nowadays they seem to be concentrating on Java bytecode stuff and embedded systems... In the states they would have undoubtedly got mucho Venture Capital. Over here in the UK they are struggling.
Either the people at Transmeta really need to take a course in basic english and especially punctuation or that they have a random patent generator that strings together random combinations of processor, executed, processing, circuits, determination and stores.
My money is on the latter, maybe Linus whipped together a Perl script in his lunch hour?
The word you're looking for is Fubar which stands for Fucked Up Beyond All Releif. Foobar is a generic word coders use for (usually temporary) variable names or used by slashdot readers who find their prefered choice of Nick is already gone...
The typical twenty-first-century person?s day, he predicts, will include: "Skimming five hundred channel program listings, two hours; viewing television programs selected, four hours; catching up on recorded programs, six hours; exploring the hyperweb, six hours; and adventuring in artificial reality, four hours." He didn?t even mention checking e-mail, answering fax-spewing and stock-listing cellphones, or responding to pagers and beepers.
2+4+6+6+4 = 22 which unless these hours are in Internet time leaves just 2 hours for sleeping / eating etc.
New media eat into the timeshare enjoyed by older ones - my TV viewing time has fallen dramatically since I got net access. And i'm pretty sure this applies across the majority of people who use the net.
Sorry, but to use a cliche: There just isn't enough hours in the day.
Actually viper.cpp is some of the source code for ms transaction server, shipped as part of IIS, obviously the code is only available in Redmond so our app crashed because ms writes buggy code
Script kiddies are a Win32 / Redhat breed - we want generic user types. My friend the micro~1 consumer gamer switched to RedHat recently. Is that a bad thing? no it was the easiest entry for him at the time and now he is "one of us".
Quit being so high n mighty about this. It isn't about fscking kudos, its about making *everyones* experience better
It isn't stable on any platform let alone the unstoppable Windows NT (how exactly do I stop it?)
Hate to say this but IE on Windoze is a *far* better browser
That of course is shite. Linux is a great thing, but without weenies is will be a great thing that never happened. (should we set up a focus group? j/k)
Our ASP based application suffered crashes 2-3 times a day because of errors in viper.cpp (whatever the hell that is) including physical reboot. Apache / PHP hasn't crashed once in 9 months however.
have you seen the holes in that thing? Security is a nightmare - an absolute kludge (klooge / kluuge)
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The majority of professional coders cannot do this. PHP caters for far more people, m$ technologies even more.
We have a coder working for us (not me) that coulddn't understand that the idea of of putting an Access database on a shared drive as the backend was a bad idea. I'm a Unix person and had to tell him this... Now to get him coding servlets?
Yeah Right
The majority of professional coders cannot do this. PHP caters for far more people, m$ technologies even more.
We have a coder working for us (not me) that coulddn't understand that the idea of of putting an Access database on a shared drive as the backend was a bad idea. I'm a Unix person and had to tell him this... Now to get him coding servlets?
Yeah Right
PHP under NT w/ Apache makes a very good dev environment - the pains of bringing software into production are greatly lessened.
Java servlet are just *too* difficult for the average (non slashdot reading) coder - PHP, PERL, ASP & CF are all about the right level for these people, i like PHP, ASP breaks, CF is limited and Perl is a mess.