Not sure what the Catholic thing is about, so please explain.
My point is, that I think it takes an unhealthly level of arrogance to claim you can understand how God did ANYTHING. Assuming God did tell man to write down genesis and how mankind was made...do you think it would be easier to tell mankind a story about dust...or explain all the intracacies of biology to a man who has not figured out indoor plumbing. I figure if God can create all of existance, he can probably create all of the complex systems and rules that keep the whole thing operating just as easily (biology, physics, etc) We don't invent anything in biology or physics, we discover them, because those operation principles are already there and in motion, we just find ways to test them and write them down to predict their functioning.
Coarse people accost me with how the bible is historically accurate, and in the same breath explain that Soddom and Ghommora is about God hating gays...unfortunately if they read thier history they would know that it was about hospitality more than anything. If Lot had little boys instead of little girls, he would have offered them to the crowd...because its about protecting your guests...not butt sex.
With all of the nonsense about teaching garbage like Intelligent Design as science its no wonder kids abilies are going down the tubes. It isn't just the schools either, because they are going home or going to their friends places and getting bombarded with this innane fundamentalist drivel. I mean really, theology maybe, but this stuff is absolutely not science, it is purely psuedoscience...cuz you know...we have all that evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old that those non God fearing scientists just ignore. What ever...
Personally, if I were a supreme being creditied with creating all of existance, I would be pretty offended by some hairless monkeys insisiting that I am unable to create things in a complex fashion that they aren't capable of understanding.
I don't know where you work, but it must be nice. I swear I can't say "click on..." without people interrupting me about how they aren't computer people and they are confused because they won't even make a basic attempt at understanding. As much as I love modern technology for tinkering and play, I don't generally use it for a whole lot of in depth work (unless its a solo project) just because it gets so irritating trying to get anyone to shut up and listen to simple procedures and get over their innate fear of the technology.
Well continue to do it your way and I will do it mine. No need to go on about why you think I am so backwards and how much better your way is like its something personal. I would however like to point out a few reasons why I do it my way other than just being backwards.
1. The first time you lose all of your work because that metadata freaks out, or some other quirk destroys the document you will learn to balance Old Standard vs No Standard.
2. By the time you get done explaining to everyone who needs to work on the document how to correctly manage the various revision check features, I have told everyone on the team just strikethrough removals and bold additions and have completed most of the document.
Its a nice idea, but quite frankley I don't need a word processer with 10,000 features, because while yes, "the computer can do it faster", training takes longer. That and faster computers crash faster:)
Sorta. Have you ever opened a document in word that has its margins stuffed with little red boxes and lines all over saying "deleted" "added" or whatnot. If I author some policy document and send it about to my working group, everyone can make their changes and when it gets back to me I still have the ability to reconstruct what I did, but has all of their changes in the margins. Kinda hard to explain, you would really have to see it to get it. Personally I think its irritating as hell and people could use strikethroughs and whatnot like most writing classes teaches you.
"Yes" is the answer that is provided by making it illegal to let anyone not 18+ watch the R rated movies. I'm not a big fan of the censorship laws, but I do agree with the rating system things. The whining about how the governments are forcing companies to pay extra to verify age is BS I think. If the company didn't want to have to worry about the cost of doing business in adult material, they shouldn't be in the business of selling adult material. If I go buy alcohol it is the responsibility of the store to check my age, and if they fail, they get fined and lose their license to sell alcohol. I realize the internet is a slightly different beast, but the same concepts apply. I think the majority of this should be handled by parents (even more in the case of internet things) but it is unrealistic to think I can follow my child everywhere they go to make sure noone sells them cigarettes, alcohol, porn, letting them se R movies whatever while they are underage. The best solution is to make it hurt more than its worth for a business to engage in those activities.
A little more direct on your incitement to kill thing...ever watch some kids after watching some action flicks? Usually not killing eachother, but generally pointing fingers, yelling bang, and much wrestling. Not terribly harmfull if the parent is there to control the situation and explain its pretend only, but it certainly does have its influence.
Simple. I just sent you 5GB of email. Now the ISP has you calling them because its taking hours for you to check your mail, and has dozens of other users calling them because their mail servers are churning like mad and are processing their mail slowly. "limited bandwidth" is a purely relative thing, a 5M file in your email on 56k is horrible, but on DSL its fine, but a 5GB file is going to be virtually imposisble on 56k, and still a bit of a nightmare on DSL. Also, the last information I saw showed that the majority of people are still on dialup. DSL/Cable is commonplace among the geeks of/., but not so common among the average joes of the world that aren't so tied to the net.
I think you misread morale. He isn't saying moral (judgement of goodness or badness) he is saying morale (happiness or sadness, espre de corp) And it absolutely is a morale issue. If you "lay off" the founder you really do set yourself up to have a huge negative trend in morale.
I'm neither of those, but I am going to assume maybe you aren't sure what BDSM is exactly or just haven't had any sort of exposure. I have had some friends into that in the past and they were 'kind' enough to show me some rather horrific pictures they had found on the web. Now...I'm not saying its some twisted mind raping thing that makes you a violent loon. I am saying its an incitement to violence just the same as 'normal' porn is an incitement to sex. But to me, clothes pins, ropes, needles, and other objects causing pain and bleeding is generally a rather violent thing. Watch a guy ASK to be kicked in the balls with high heel shoes and tell me that isn't violent (if you can see through your own wincing to type at that point).
I'm not saying its right, wrong, or otherwise. Mostly playing devil's advocate here. I am just saying its relatively easy to classify BDSM as violent imagery. You can't even begin to tell me that while GTA is typically considered overly violent (regardless of its supposed impact on the youth of today, which I think is more tied to bad parenting, or total lack of parenting), that people getting tied up, cut up, whipped, chained and otherwise beaten up with the singular goal of sexual satisfaction is ANYTHING BUT extremely violent sexual imagery.
The argument as best as I understand it is that a "documentary" about a BDSM couple doing BDSM things in front of a professional photographer is just art and not offensive material. I laughed my ass off at the people protesting the books about nudist colonies saying it was child porn, because in a few of the black and white pictures there were nudist kids wandering about. This however, is a little bit different, how do you make a graphic sex documentary and then say its not graphic sex?
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. I am just saying it wouldn't be hard to make it more offensive by arguing that it is. You can present boxing as just a sport, or you can present it as a violent display that will encourage further violence. You are going to influence your 'community standards' by how you present it, not just the material itself. You can make crime scene photos into violent pornographic images with the right arguments. Coarse I think everyone took my post as being serious more than just playing devil's advocate but whatever, since when has/. ever been much more than kneejerk reactions:).
Well here is the tricky part. Read her Wiki article. The problem at hand isn't "porn" its BDSM stuff. So...Now you are dealing with violent porno imagery...time to rethink the line drawing. I am sure you could classify BDSM as 'an incitement to violence' relatively easily depending on how you look at it.
You seem to totally miss the point. Open Source isn't a business model, so you declaring that its a failed business model is insane. Coarse, I think you are nothing but a failed watermellon, so don't be an idiot and quit being a watermellon.
I imagine that is hoes as in the garden tool. Which ironically isn't far off from today if you think about it. They make tools to break up clumps of dirt and shit. Its just digital shit(code) instead of literal shit(fertilizer).
honestly I'm not sure of the exact site. Schoolnet and Nambia are some keywords to google with that might help. It was basically a project to bring free internet/computer stuff to schools in Nambia.
I may be missing some history here to get the comment. I do know there was that whole AC/DC battle, but to his credit, at least he had some innovative products even if they didn't fly right away. If I remember right it was other companies that perfected the phonograph for bringing it to market even thought it was his creation. A bit backwards compared to Gates seeings how other people dream up the good ideas, and Gates "embraces and extends" them to market.
Except when it comes to tech. Then he tries to gouge these people. Look at the nambia.net stories of MS "generosity". I don't see his donations as much more than PR. Its great that these people are getting this food/medicine/money. But really, the motivations need to be examined before you declare this guy as anything genuine.
It seems that almost all of the technology that Gates has mocked has come back and bit him on the ass. We all know that the Internet is just a fad, noone needs that much memory, and so on. While some of the claims to quotes are questionable, the pattern still exists. He mocks alot of things he didn't come up with first. I fail to understand the hero worship this asshat gets from the general populace. They assume he is some kind of computer genious. He really is little more than a very good business man/thief.
Yeah, I'm a voter. Yeah, I have been down range. Yeah, I have blocked a great deal of websites because quite frankly its not like we are dragging OC3 connections out to some remote craphole in the sand. We just don't have the bandwidth to spare for non mission stuff. Sure it seems so terrible for the troops because you have all this wonderful access at home on DSL/Cable modems. Government networks aren't there for recreation, they are there to get a mission done, any recreation allowed is to help moral, not because of some 'right' to use a government owned system to entertain yourself.
What? This must be a home edition thing or some such. Every enterprise NAV setup I have seen doesn't require admin for virus updates, it happily updates on its own without any interaction. I wouldn't really know about the home user junk, I have never used NAV outside of enterpise situations, I choose not to use the junk for my own systems.
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Not sure what the Catholic thing is about, so please explain. ...because its about protecting your guests...not butt sex.
My point is, that I think it takes an unhealthly level of arrogance to claim you can understand how God did ANYTHING. Assuming God did tell man to write down genesis and how mankind was made...do you think it would be easier to tell mankind a story about dust...or explain all the intracacies of biology to a man who has not figured out indoor plumbing. I figure if God can create all of existance, he can probably create all of the complex systems and rules that keep the whole thing operating just as easily (biology, physics, etc) We don't invent anything in biology or physics, we discover them, because those operation principles are already there and in motion, we just find ways to test them and write them down to predict their functioning.
Coarse people accost me with how the bible is historically accurate, and in the same breath explain that Soddom and Ghommora is about God hating gays...unfortunately if they read thier history they would know that it was about hospitality more than anything. If Lot had little boys instead of little girls, he would have offered them to the crowd
With all of the nonsense about teaching garbage like Intelligent Design as science its no wonder kids abilies are going down the tubes. It isn't just the schools either, because they are going home or going to their friends places and getting bombarded with this innane fundamentalist drivel. I mean really, theology maybe, but this stuff is absolutely not science, it is purely psuedoscience...cuz you know...we have all that evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old that those non God fearing scientists just ignore. What ever...
Personally, if I were a supreme being creditied with creating all of existance, I would be pretty offended by some hairless monkeys insisiting that I am unable to create things in a complex fashion that they aren't capable of understanding.
I don't know where you work, but it must be nice. I swear I can't say "click on..." without people interrupting me about how they aren't computer people and they are confused because they won't even make a basic attempt at understanding. As much as I love modern technology for tinkering and play, I don't generally use it for a whole lot of in depth work (unless its a solo project) just because it gets so irritating trying to get anyone to shut up and listen to simple procedures and get over their innate fear of the technology.
Well continue to do it your way and I will do it mine. No need to go on about why you think I am so backwards and how much better your way is like its something personal. I would however like to point out a few reasons why I do it my way other than just being backwards. :)
1. The first time you lose all of your work because that metadata freaks out, or some other quirk destroys the document you will learn to balance Old Standard vs No Standard.
2. By the time you get done explaining to everyone who needs to work on the document how to correctly manage the various revision check features, I have told everyone on the team just strikethrough removals and bold additions and have completed most of the document.
Its a nice idea, but quite frankley I don't need a word processer with 10,000 features, because while yes, "the computer can do it faster", training takes longer. That and faster computers crash faster
Please Please Please let me use the document editing methods I want rather than relying on MS Office features.
Sorta. Have you ever opened a document in word that has its margins stuffed with little red boxes and lines all over saying "deleted" "added" or whatnot. If I author some policy document and send it about to my working group, everyone can make their changes and when it gets back to me I still have the ability to reconstruct what I did, but has all of their changes in the margins. Kinda hard to explain, you would really have to see it to get it. Personally I think its irritating as hell and people could use strikethroughs and whatnot like most writing classes teaches you.
"Yes" is the answer that is provided by making it illegal to let anyone not 18+ watch the R rated movies. I'm not a big fan of the censorship laws, but I do agree with the rating system things. The whining about how the governments are forcing companies to pay extra to verify age is BS I think. If the company didn't want to have to worry about the cost of doing business in adult material, they shouldn't be in the business of selling adult material. If I go buy alcohol it is the responsibility of the store to check my age, and if they fail, they get fined and lose their license to sell alcohol. I realize the internet is a slightly different beast, but the same concepts apply. I think the majority of this should be handled by parents (even more in the case of internet things) but it is unrealistic to think I can follow my child everywhere they go to make sure noone sells them cigarettes, alcohol, porn, letting them se R movies whatever while they are underage. The best solution is to make it hurt more than its worth for a business to engage in those activities.
A little more direct on your incitement to kill thing...ever watch some kids after watching some action flicks? Usually not killing eachother, but generally pointing fingers, yelling bang, and much wrestling. Not terribly harmfull if the parent is there to control the situation and explain its pretend only, but it certainly does have its influence.
Simple. I just sent you 5GB of email. Now the ISP has you calling them because its taking hours for you to check your mail, and has dozens of other users calling them because their mail servers are churning like mad and are processing their mail slowly. "limited bandwidth" is a purely relative thing, a 5M file in your email on 56k is horrible, but on DSL its fine, but a 5GB file is going to be virtually imposisble on 56k, and still a bit of a nightmare on DSL. Also, the last information I saw showed that the majority of people are still on dialup. DSL/Cable is commonplace among the geeks of /., but not so common among the average joes of the world that aren't so tied to the net.
I think you misread morale. He isn't saying moral (judgement of goodness or badness) he is saying morale (happiness or sadness, espre de corp) And it absolutely is a morale issue. If you "lay off" the founder you really do set yourself up to have a huge negative trend in morale.
I'm neither of those, but I am going to assume maybe you aren't sure what BDSM is exactly or just haven't had any sort of exposure. I have had some friends into that in the past and they were 'kind' enough to show me some rather horrific pictures they had found on the web. Now...I'm not saying its some twisted mind raping thing that makes you a violent loon. I am saying its an incitement to violence just the same as 'normal' porn is an incitement to sex. But to me, clothes pins, ropes, needles, and other objects causing pain and bleeding is generally a rather violent thing. Watch a guy ASK to be kicked in the balls with high heel shoes and tell me that isn't violent (if you can see through your own wincing to type at that point).
I'm not saying its right, wrong, or otherwise. Mostly playing devil's advocate here. I am just saying its relatively easy to classify BDSM as violent imagery. You can't even begin to tell me that while GTA is typically considered overly violent (regardless of its supposed impact on the youth of today, which I think is more tied to bad parenting, or total lack of parenting), that people getting tied up, cut up, whipped, chained and otherwise beaten up with the singular goal of sexual satisfaction is ANYTHING BUT extremely violent sexual imagery.
The argument as best as I understand it is that a "documentary" about a BDSM couple doing BDSM things in front of a professional photographer is just art and not offensive material. I laughed my ass off at the people protesting the books about nudist colonies saying it was child porn, because in a few of the black and white pictures there were nudist kids wandering about. This however, is a little bit different, how do you make a graphic sex documentary and then say its not graphic sex?
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. I am just saying it wouldn't be hard to make it more offensive by arguing that it is. You can present boxing as just a sport, or you can present it as a violent display that will encourage further violence. You are going to influence your 'community standards' by how you present it, not just the material itself. You can make crime scene photos into violent pornographic images with the right arguments. Coarse I think everyone took my post as being serious more than just playing devil's advocate but whatever, since when has /. ever been much more than kneejerk reactions :).
Well here is the tricky part. Read her Wiki article. The problem at hand isn't "porn" its BDSM stuff. So...Now you are dealing with violent porno imagery...time to rethink the line drawing. I am sure you could classify BDSM as 'an incitement to violence' relatively easily depending on how you look at it.
Let us not associate men wearing pantyhose with hackers. The media already has enough problems not blowing "hackers" WAY out of proportion.
You seem to totally miss the point. Open Source isn't a business model, so you declaring that its a failed business model is insane. Coarse, I think you are nothing but a failed watermellon, so don't be an idiot and quit being a watermellon.
I imagine that is hoes as in the garden tool. Which ironically isn't far off from today if you think about it. They make tools to break up clumps of dirt and shit. Its just digital shit(code) instead of literal shit(fertilizer).
honestly I'm not sure of the exact site. Schoolnet and Nambia are some keywords to google with that might help. It was basically a project to bring free internet/computer stuff to schools in Nambia.
I may be missing some history here to get the comment. I do know there was that whole AC/DC battle, but to his credit, at least he had some innovative products even if they didn't fly right away. If I remember right it was other companies that perfected the phonograph for bringing it to market even thought it was his creation. A bit backwards compared to Gates seeings how other people dream up the good ideas, and Gates "embraces and extends" them to market.
Except when it comes to tech. Then he tries to gouge these people. Look at the nambia.net stories of MS "generosity". I don't see his donations as much more than PR. Its great that these people are getting this food/medicine/money. But really, the motivations need to be examined before you declare this guy as anything genuine.
It seems that almost all of the technology that Gates has mocked has come back and bit him on the ass. We all know that the Internet is just a fad, noone needs that much memory, and so on. While some of the claims to quotes are questionable, the pattern still exists. He mocks alot of things he didn't come up with first. I fail to understand the hero worship this asshat gets from the general populace. They assume he is some kind of computer genious. He really is little more than a very good business man/thief.
Yeah, I'm a voter. Yeah, I have been down range. Yeah, I have blocked a great deal of websites because quite frankly its not like we are dragging OC3 connections out to some remote craphole in the sand. We just don't have the bandwidth to spare for non mission stuff. Sure it seems so terrible for the troops because you have all this wonderful access at home on DSL/Cable modems. Government networks aren't there for recreation, they are there to get a mission done, any recreation allowed is to help moral, not because of some 'right' to use a government owned system to entertain yourself.
What? This must be a home edition thing or some such. Every enterprise NAV setup I have seen doesn't require admin for virus updates, it happily updates on its own without any interaction. I wouldn't really know about the home user junk, I have never used NAV outside of enterpise situations, I choose not to use the junk for my own systems.
You have been defeated by a Grammar Allied Force.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
My point is they don't have a history of doing such things to base their behavior on.