Unless I'm mistaken, at the time the copying is done the company is the owner of the DVDs. So, effectively, the company is the "end user" -- just one who coincidentally happens to resell the iPod and DVD at some later time
But the law specifies you have to delete any copies of the content when you sell it. You can't sell copies, that should be pretty obvious.
We are talking about copying to an iPod in this case. Firstly, an iPod cannot do CSS decryption, so a DVD image file would be useless on it. Secondly, most people don't want a 4GB+ file on their iPod, so transcoding is necessary to get it down to a reasonable size. If they are transferring these DVDs to an iPod without decrypting, would you care to explain how they do it?
If what you say is true, Kinko's and all other copiers would be shut down.
But Kinko's won't duplicate copyrighted works without permission from the copyright holder. They are performing an entirely different function than this business, which will duplicate the material without permission.
True, but audio can be compressed much, much better than video seems to be
But technology progresses on. Compression technology is getting better, and hard drives are getting bigger and cheaper. So, even without better compression ratios, the storage capacity keeps on increasing.
It takes at most, 10 seconds to locate the movie I want in a rack (30 seconds maybe if it's in a spindle), and get it into the dvd player.
But you need to organize them on the shelf, and have the storage space to do that. I was also referring to using optical media for backups, if you use downloaded videos. A RAID eliminates much of the need to keep optical backups.
I rather enjoy being able look at my collection, pick out a random movie, and hit play. Having to schedule my life around when a movie will finish downloading just isn't my thing. If there's a movie I want to watch and it's not in my collection, I can go to the video store two blocks away from my apartment, get it, and be back in 10 minutes.
That's what people said about CDs versus MP3 collections, back when hard drives were more expensive, had less capacity, and greater physical size. But now everybody has iPods, and hardly ever touch their CDs. iTunes changed the way people organized their collections. Why bother sorting everything in shelves, and look for the movie you want, when you could, say, search for movies featuring a certain actor or director, and be watching it second later?
Physical media is a huge pain in the ass. The stuff that I have on hard drive gets watched a lot more than the stuff on the shelves. With hard drives prices so cheap, just keep expanding your storage. Hard drives are nearly as cheap as optical media, but way more convenient. If you count your time handling optical media, they could be considered more expensive, if your time is worth anything.
We're not talking Laser Disc here... we're talking mainstream media here people.
More like Mini Disc or DVD-Audio. There are huge practical advantages to DVD over VHS - the biggest one being no rewinding, following by more compact size, and increased durability. No more chewed tapes. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray don't offer any improvements except resolution. They don't offer the features that people really care about. Well, they offer them, but so does a regular DVD, so there's no compelling reason to upgrade.
But if the flash sticks are so huge, how are you going to fit them on your keychain? Or are we talking about really big keychains, too, like jail wardens on TV have? I'm not sure the market is willing to upgrade to dungeon-master level keychains.
Most people don't want their computer right by their TV, or to have to run cables between rooms from one to the other.
So, you use a wireless video-streaming set-top box, like the upcoming iTV. No more fiddling with discs or getting them scratched, and a simple TV-oriented interface with remote.
If that's what he meant, then why didn't he say that? Even if the end user doesn't see it, spam still exists, and still causes problems. Somebody must be seeing it, if spam still exists. I think it's much more important to get rid of the cause of spam than cover up the symptoms.
No, you totally missed the point. He was likened to a hospital administrator. That doesn't mean that a hospital administrator doesn't know anything about medicine - in fact, they most likely do. But Bill has a similar level of insightful knowledge as a hospital administrator does compared to a brilliant medical researcher.
In my experience (building and selling PCs), most users are not forced to upgrade hardware because of microsoft.
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Their old computer becomes so clogged and bloated with spyware and other crapware, that it is slow and useless
Notice the contradiction there? Why do you think that people's computers are bloated with crapware and spyware? because of Microsoft, of course. Do you ever see a non-Windows machine bloated with crapware and spyware? Didn't think so.
In every other aspect of science we were taught alternatives to established theories to compare the merits and why one theory is more valid than others, from Ether to creationism.
If you were taught creationism as a valid argument in science class, then you had a very bad education. How the fuck does creationism enter into science in any way?
This will undoubtedly go down in the history books as the greatest invention of the 21st Century. In the future, people will design cities around these things.
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WTF? What evidence do you have that the iPod uses CSS-encrypted VOB files? This is the first I've ever heard of it.
You actually buy censored copies of films? Wow, that's pretty crazy.
But the law specifies you have to delete any copies of the content when you sell it. You can't sell copies, that should be pretty obvious.
We are talking about copying to an iPod in this case. Firstly, an iPod cannot do CSS decryption, so a DVD image file would be useless on it. Secondly, most people don't want a 4GB+ file on their iPod, so transcoding is necessary to get it down to a reasonable size. If they are transferring these DVDs to an iPod without decrypting, would you care to explain how they do it?
But Kinko's won't duplicate copyrighted works without permission from the copyright holder. They are performing an entirely different function than this business, which will duplicate the material without permission.
Since when did sanity matter, when it comes to the law? We are talking legal arguments here, not rational ones.
You seem to have missed a significant portion of the text you quoted:
Seeing as this use is both (1) commercial, and (2) not by the consumer, I don't see how this is applicable.
But technology progresses on. Compression technology is getting better, and hard drives are getting bigger and cheaper. So, even without better compression ratios, the storage capacity keeps on increasing.
It takes at most, 10 seconds to locate the movie I want in a rack (30 seconds maybe if it's in a spindle), and get it into the dvd player.
But you need to organize them on the shelf, and have the storage space to do that. I was also referring to using optical media for backups, if you use downloaded videos. A RAID eliminates much of the need to keep optical backups.
An ancient Damascan sword?
That's what people said about CDs versus MP3 collections, back when hard drives were more expensive, had less capacity, and greater physical size. But now everybody has iPods, and hardly ever touch their CDs. iTunes changed the way people organized their collections. Why bother sorting everything in shelves, and look for the movie you want, when you could, say, search for movies featuring a certain actor or director, and be watching it second later?
Physical media is a huge pain in the ass. The stuff that I have on hard drive gets watched a lot more than the stuff on the shelves. With hard drives prices so cheap, just keep expanding your storage. Hard drives are nearly as cheap as optical media, but way more convenient. If you count your time handling optical media, they could be considered more expensive, if your time is worth anything.
So, why did they try to sell pre-recorded titles on Minidisc, then?
More like Mini Disc or DVD-Audio. There are huge practical advantages to DVD over VHS - the biggest one being no rewinding, following by more compact size, and increased durability. No more chewed tapes. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray don't offer any improvements except resolution. They don't offer the features that people really care about. Well, they offer them, but so does a regular DVD, so there's no compelling reason to upgrade.
But if the flash sticks are so huge, how are you going to fit them on your keychain? Or are we talking about really big keychains, too, like jail wardens on TV have? I'm not sure the market is willing to upgrade to dungeon-master level keychains.
Uhh, no. It's nowhere near lossless.
So, you use a wireless video-streaming set-top box, like the upcoming iTV. No more fiddling with discs or getting them scratched, and a simple TV-oriented interface with remote.
If that's what he meant, then why didn't he say that? Even if the end user doesn't see it, spam still exists, and still causes problems. Somebody must be seeing it, if spam still exists. I think it's much more important to get rid of the cause of spam than cover up the symptoms.
How can spam be a thing of the past, when there is more of it being sent today than at any time in the past?
No, you totally missed the point. He was likened to a hospital administrator. That doesn't mean that a hospital administrator doesn't know anything about medicine - in fact, they most likely do. But Bill has a similar level of insightful knowledge as a hospital administrator does compared to a brilliant medical researcher.
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Their old computer becomes so clogged and bloated with spyware and other crapware, that it is slow and useless
Notice the contradiction there? Why do you think that people's computers are bloated with crapware and spyware? because of Microsoft, of course. Do you ever see a non-Windows machine bloated with crapware and spyware? Didn't think so.
Uhh, the Amiga? Why is that not innovative? It took years for other platforms to be capable of similar things, for anywhere near the low cost.
If you were taught creationism as a valid argument in science class, then you had a very bad education. How the fuck does creationism enter into science in any way?
I don't think you know what "moniker" means.
This will undoubtedly go down in the history books as the greatest invention of the 21st Century. In the future, people will design cities around these things.
That's a stupid excuse. It could be easily photographed, even if you had to shift the color a little to display on a monitor.