Then you can get a copy from the store you bought it from. All Apple stores have internet access, and are prefectly willing to give you copies of the EULA.
The "contract" should be agreed upon before the point of sale, which means that there isn't any need to display it at install time.
Which is why they are available before purchase. If anybody is concerned about this stuff, then they should take the reponsibility to check it out first.
Yet software is a different story, and what's worse, most stores don't tell you up front that software cannot be returned (usually it's on the receipt, which--surprise surprise, you don't see until the transaction is complete).
I believe this is incorrect. Most places in the world have fair trading laws which means they must take back the product, even if they say otherwise in the store. If they don't then that is an issue for the courts. I don't believe that stores are at liberty to say "you can't return that!" in reasonable circumstances.
As far as I can see, Apple are acting more responsibly than most vendors. Many do not allow you to see the EULA before you purchase. Apple does. How is that a bad thing?
You have the posting hierarchy confused. I did not respond to the person you are referring to, I responded to one of his critics.
So what? The post you were replying to does NOT mention anything about people not buying CDs. He says that people are not listening to CDs, the exact same contention as the writeup. So, why did you call him/her "naive to think that listening to digital audio equates to buying digital audio" when he/she did not saying anything to equate listening to CDs with buying them?
What am I missing here? You appear to be reading things into people's statements taht aren't there. I don't see where I got the posting hierarchy confused.
No, it's very good that slashdot doesn't allow editing. It would enable people to bullshit, and then change their post afterwards. It would also be a boon for trolls.
But how does this make it worse than a bait-and switch? This is not unique to software, all products have legalese attached that require lawyerly reading. You are saying that it is worse than bait-and switch. You'd rather get something totally different than what you wanted, than to buy something with a EULA? That's weird.
Also, there are sites around where experts analyse EULAs to give warning to people, free of charge.
you see the problem is that music listening has changed. In the old days, we had noce speakers, and we really cared to reproduce the music of the artist.
Now human don't give a fuck.
Totally revisionist history. Back in the old days, there were like 50 crappy ghettoblasters or portable transistor radios for every nice Hi-Fi system. There have always been people who don't give a fuck. There have always been people who want instant gratification. There have always been people who just wanted the radio on for some background noise while they worked, or while they did the housework.
Very little has actually changed. You are just looking at history through rose-colored glasses. Then, as now, the majority of popular music was crap. You just remember the good stuff - and remember the nice Hi-Fi systems, because those are still around, while everybody has thrown out their ghettoblasters and transistor radios and cheap-ass quadrophonic miniature turntable systems.
Music is becoming a monoculture and a monoculture of art does not need a particularly good reproductive medium.
As opposed to the old days, with fans mindlessly screaming to whatever hunky pop-star with a manufactured image that the radio DJ told them to? Popular music has never been about the "art." And today there exists tons of quality "art" music, in much more diverse forms than yesteryear. But we still have American Idol and manufactured pop hits, just like then. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
And retailers are a whole other level of middlemen. Companies that print the CD covers and press the CDs are yet another level of middlemen. Online, many independent bands are able to sell their work, without signing up to a record label. This would often be impractical or impossible with physical CDs.
You are being quite naive to think that listening to digital audio equates to buying digital audio. Many purchase CDs and rip so that they have DRM free files and higher quality and are future proof.
Uhhh, no shit. Didn't you even read the writeup? That's exactly what this guy is saying - that people aren't playing music from the CD, they are just using it as a source of data. He never says they aren't selling, he's saying the CD is dead "as it is" - in other words as a standalone medium. Of course, slashdot omitted that part from the headline to make it sound more sensationalistic. Still, I would have hoped that some slashdotters would at least read the writeup, but many people apparantly don't make it past the headline.
If you disagree with the EULA, you'll need to expend further time, energy and money (and bereaucratic frustration) in order to
undo the financial transaction and receive compensation. (Ever try taking XP back to Staples and saying you didn't agree with the EULA?).
All the Apple EULAs are available online, so there's no need to be "tricked" oir surprised. How is this any different to you not doing your research on a household product, only to find it doesn't have a particular feature or legal use that you wanted? Should have done your research first.
This is a form of trickery and extortion that goes far beyond bait-and-switch. It is a transaction in which 'good faith' on the part of the manufacturer is non-existent. EULA's are legal documents which cannot be given due diligence
Why can't you give due diligence? Why is it so expensive to read a EULA online? And where's the "bait-and-switch"? That's a ridiculous claim when the EULA is publicly available. To go "beyond" bait-and-switch - how is that even possible? Why is a EULA worse than being sold a different product to the one that was advertised?
Now at 5 the blade density is already getting up there so I'm not quite sure how much higher they can go (without pointless tricks like splitting the blades in half and calling it "10 bladed").
You clearly don't understand women. When other women see the publicity attracted by the "ugly" comments, she will think "I'm not as ugly as that skank" and post her naked pictures online to prove that she's more attractive than the other woman.
Show me even "two sides" of genocide, or homophobically motivated violence, racial prejudice, or slavery, much less this circle plot you refer to.
If terrorists were about to explode a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, would Agent Jack Bauer be right to commit genocide against the population of Belgium if was the only way to stop the terrorists?
Even AAC -> WAV will result in a loss of quality - it's not a mechanical process, and the WAV player in most cases will make the same file sound worse thant the AAC player...
What the fuck are you talking about? A WAV file of the same sample rate as the compressed file will sound exactly the same as if you were playing the original compressed file through your computer's sound card.
I'm not sure what you mean about "the WAV player will make things sound worse" - all the players I know, play the bits exactly as they are (unless you add equalization or filters). What kind of crappy player are you using?
That's just a registration fee. There are also going to be many other costs involved in doing this. But just the registration fee puts it out of reach of many of the poor.
The studios like to call them "Digital Video Disc" but the computer and software industries have tended to favor "Digital Versatile Disc" instead.
Which raises the question - why the hell was such an ambiguous name chosen in the first place? Anybody who thought that people would actually call them Digital Versatile Discs after the video stores were full of movies on DVD, was just not thinking. How many regular people even know that name, let alone use it? besides, "Versatile" is a pretty clunky and unattractive word. And "DV" already means "Digital Video" in the video camera and video production world.
That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm pointing out that this is still a loss of freedom, while the GP post seemed to use this as an excuse
Besides, it's not just about convenience. Many people simply cannot afford to form their own company and set up proxy servers. Freedom only for the rich?
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Then you can get a copy from the store you bought it from. All Apple stores have internet access, and are prefectly willing to give you copies of the EULA.
The "contract" should be agreed upon before the point of sale, which means that there isn't any need to display it at install time.
Which is why they are available before purchase. If anybody is concerned about this stuff, then they should take the reponsibility to check it out first.
Yet software is a different story, and what's worse, most stores don't tell you up front that software cannot be returned (usually it's on the receipt, which--surprise surprise, you don't see until the transaction is complete).
I believe this is incorrect. Most places in the world have fair trading laws which means they must take back the product, even if they say otherwise in the store. If they don't then that is an issue for the courts. I don't believe that stores are at liberty to say "you can't return that!" in reasonable circumstances.
As far as I can see, Apple are acting more responsibly than most vendors. Many do not allow you to see the EULA before you purchase. Apple does. How is that a bad thing?
So what? The post you were replying to does NOT mention anything about people not buying CDs. He says that people are not listening to CDs, the exact same contention as the writeup. So, why did you call him/her "naive to think that listening to digital audio equates to buying digital audio" when he/she did not saying anything to equate listening to CDs with buying them?
What am I missing here? You appear to be reading things into people's statements taht aren't there. I don't see where I got the posting hierarchy confused.
Come on, be patient. Sure he isn't that much of a moron yet, but he's working on it. It takes years of hard work to become that stupid.
No, it's very good that slashdot doesn't allow editing. It would enable people to bullshit, and then change their post afterwards. It would also be a boon for trolls.
Also, there are sites around where experts analyse EULAs to give warning to people, free of charge.
Now human don't give a fuck.
Totally revisionist history. Back in the old days, there were like 50 crappy ghettoblasters or portable transistor radios for every nice Hi-Fi system. There have always been people who don't give a fuck. There have always been people who want instant gratification. There have always been people who just wanted the radio on for some background noise while they worked, or while they did the housework.
Very little has actually changed. You are just looking at history through rose-colored glasses. Then, as now, the majority of popular music was crap. You just remember the good stuff - and remember the nice Hi-Fi systems, because those are still around, while everybody has thrown out their ghettoblasters and transistor radios and cheap-ass quadrophonic miniature turntable systems.
Music is becoming a monoculture and a monoculture of art does not need a particularly good reproductive medium.
As opposed to the old days, with fans mindlessly screaming to whatever hunky pop-star with a manufactured image that the radio DJ told them to? Popular music has never been about the "art." And today there exists tons of quality "art" music, in much more diverse forms than yesteryear. But we still have American Idol and manufactured pop hits, just like then. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
And retailers are a whole other level of middlemen. Companies that print the CD covers and press the CDs are yet another level of middlemen. Online, many independent bands are able to sell their work, without signing up to a record label. This would often be impractical or impossible with physical CDs.
Uhhh, no shit. Didn't you even read the writeup? That's exactly what this guy is saying - that people aren't playing music from the CD, they are just using it as a source of data. He never says they aren't selling, he's saying the CD is dead "as it is" - in other words as a standalone medium. Of course, slashdot omitted that part from the headline to make it sound more sensationalistic. Still, I would have hoped that some slashdotters would at least read the writeup, but many people apparantly don't make it past the headline.
All the Apple EULAs are available online, so there's no need to be "tricked" oir surprised. How is this any different to you not doing your research on a household product, only to find it doesn't have a particular feature or legal use that you wanted? Should have done your research first.
This is a form of trickery and extortion that goes far beyond bait-and-switch. It is a transaction in which 'good faith' on the part of the manufacturer is non-existent. EULA's are legal documents which cannot be given due diligence
Why can't you give due diligence? Why is it so expensive to read a EULA online? And where's the "bait-and-switch"? That's a ridiculous claim when the EULA is publicly available. To go "beyond" bait-and-switch - how is that even possible? Why is a EULA worse than being sold a different product to the one that was advertised?
How about "perpendicular shaving"?
You clearly don't understand women. When other women see the publicity attracted by the "ugly" comments, she will think "I'm not as ugly as that skank" and post her naked pictures online to prove that she's more attractive than the other woman.
He's a funny guy, that Voltaire.
If terrorists were about to explode a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, would Agent Jack Bauer be right to commit genocide against the population of Belgium if was the only way to stop the terrorists?
FBI Warning: Winners don't do drugs.
Pity the fool, set us up.
Why not? Care to explain this?
Losing any more quality just for the purpose of moving the track around, at the same size, and for your own use, is not acceptable.
Not acceptable to who? You might not find it acceptable, but many others might find it perfectly OK.
What the fuck are you talking about? A WAV file of the same sample rate as the compressed file will sound exactly the same as if you were playing the original compressed file through your computer's sound card.
I'm not sure what you mean about "the WAV player will make things sound worse" - all the players I know, play the bits exactly as they are (unless you add equalization or filters). What kind of crappy player are you using?
You. Insensitive. Clods!
I would imagine so, as it's one of the main thrusts of the joke, and Monty Python has millions of dedicated fans worldwide.
I know what you mean. C3PO has to be the most irritating twat of a bot ever built.
That's just a registration fee. There are also going to be many other costs involved in doing this. But just the registration fee puts it out of reach of many of the poor.
Which raises the question - why the hell was such an ambiguous name chosen in the first place? Anybody who thought that people would actually call them Digital Versatile Discs after the video stores were full of movies on DVD, was just not thinking. How many regular people even know that name, let alone use it? besides, "Versatile" is a pretty clunky and unattractive word. And "DV" already means "Digital Video" in the video camera and video production world.
Isn't that a rather redundant term? After all, wouldn't one expect that a DVD contains video?
Besides, it's not just about convenience. Many people simply cannot afford to form their own company and set up proxy servers. Freedom only for the rich?
Simple! Convenient. Just incorporate a company so you can write a blog.