The Apple I launched in July 1976 was a fully populated circuit board and nothing else no enclosure no keyboard no display no disk drives.
That's true. The Apple I was also a hobbyist computer, though a lot more advanced than the Altair. But my point was that the Altair was not a Personal Computer. Am I wrong about that?
WRONG. The first personal computers were sold in the early 70s, and the most popular of those was the Altair (1975-77).
The Altair was not a "Personal Computer," it was a hobbyist/kit computer. It had blinking lights, not something you could reasonably use for personal productivity tasks.
I think it's revealing that neither Apple nor Google chose to invest in Mozilla instead of going it on their own
It is very revealing. It reveals how the Firefox engine is a piece of shit. It's so fucking slow, and fast becoming the IE of non-IE browsers. WebKit is obviously superior.
there is the claim that when the economy is on the up, people buy cheap as if it breaks they just buy a new one. But on a down economy they buy expensive in the belief that it will last longer.
I completely agree, as I have mentioned in previous posts.
As far as CAGW goes, there is a fundamental chain of proofs that have to occur before it can be taken as reasonably proven. These start with the claim that the Earth is warming and end with the claim that therefore catastrophe will result.
What the fuck? "Therefore catastrophe will result" is not even a part of climate science.
the CAGW proponents wish to destroy the world's economy
Just like you made that up.
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The people you bash as "deniers" are actually not denying climate change, but are instead debating the following points that you seem to be ignoring.
This is incorrect. Plenty of them still actually flat-out deny climate change as a phenomenon. The points you cite amount to little more than hand-waving attempts to distract from the real issues, and have only come up when they were confronted with undeniable evidence that climate change is happening at a rapid rate.
The deniers are deniers of reality. That they change their arguments on a whim is standard practice for disingenuous people with an agenda. They are fully deserving of the title.
Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of phoning in this country. The iPhone 3G was the
phone to own. Then the other guy came out with a Linux phone. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a
little thing called the iPhone 4. That's two antennas and a new screen. For resolution. But you know what happened
next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to Android. Now we're standing around with our cocks in
our hands, selling two antennas and a screen. Resolution or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going
to five bars.
Sure, we could go to four bars next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, three
worked out pretty well, and four is the next number after three. So let's play it safe. Let's make a rubber bumper and
call it the iPhone 4 SuperTurbo. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why!
You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the
multi-antenna game. Are they the best a man can get? Fuck, no. Apple is the best a hipster can get.
What part of this don't you understand? If two bars is good, and three bars is better, obviously five bars would make
us the best fucking phone that ever existed. Comprende? We didn't claw our way to the top of the phone game by clinging
to the two-bar industry standard. We got here by taking chances. Well, five bars is the biggest chance of all.
Here's the report from Engineering. Someone put it in the bathroom: I want to wipe my ass with it. They don't tell me
what to invent—I tell them. And I'm telling them to stick two more bars in there. I don't care how. Make the bars so
thin they're invisible. Put some on the handle. I don't care if they have to cram the fifth bar in perpendicular to the
other four, just do it!
You're taking the "smart" part of "smart phone" too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let's hit it. Let's
roll. This is our chance to make phone history. Let's dream big. All you have to do is say that five bars can happen,
and it will happen. If you aren't on board, then fuck you. And if you're on the board, then fuck you and your father.
Hey, if I'm the only one who'll take risks, I'm sure as hell happy to hog all the glory when the five-bar phone becomes
the phone tool for the U.S. of "this is how we phone now" A.
People said we couldn't go to three. It'll cost a fortune to manufacture, they said. Well, we did it. Now some egghead
in a lab is screaming "Five's crazy?" Well, perhaps he'd be more comfortable in the labs at Dell, working on fucking
mini-towers. PCI Bus, my white ass!
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should just ride in Google's wake and make clouds. Ha! Not on your fucking life! The day I
shadow a penny-ante outfit like Google is the day I leave the phone game for good, and that won't happen until the day
I die!
The market? Listen, we make the market. All we have to do is put her out there with a little jingle. It's as easy as,
"Hey, phoning with anything less than five bars is like searching with Alta Vista." Or "Your iPhone is going to be so
friggin' receptive, someone's gonna walk up and goddamn impregnate it from 5 miles away."
I know what you're thinking now: What'll people say? Mew mew mew. Oh, no, what will people say?! Grow the fuck up. When
you're on top, people talk. That's the price you pay for being on top. Which Apple is, always has been, and forever
shall be, Amen, five bars, sweet Jesus in heaven.
Stop. I just had a stroke of genius. Are you ready? Open your mouth, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one
sweet, fat nightcrawler. Here she comes: Put another antenna on that fucker, too. That's right. Five bars, three
antennas, and make the second one vibrate. You heard me—the second antenna vibrates. It's a whole new way to think
about phoning. Don't question it. Don't say a word. Just key the music, and call the chorus girls, because we're on the
edge—the phone's edge—and I feel like dancing.
Did I just wake up in the future, because I can't stop myself from thinking of C.M. Kornbluth's The Marching Morons [wikipedia.org].
Fix it in software? It's supposed to correspond to antenna physics
No, you woke up in the present, where you are just as stupid as you were yesterday. Do you lack reading comprehension abilities? The "fix" is to make the display correlate more accurately with the antenna physics, which are not as bad as the signal strength display programming made them seem.
This doesn't change the fact that the signal strength changes with how you hold the phone. If the change manifests itself only in fewer bars, everything will be alright. If actual call quality or reliability is affected, this change won't do anything for that
Some casual tests I've seen show that even when held "inappropriately," the iPhone 4 still gets a better signal and faster transfer speed than earlier models.
for all their advantages and marketing Apple's market share is still dwarfed by windows PCs.
Companies don't (or shouldn't) go into business for marketshare, they are supposed to make money. Greater marketshare can actually be a bad thing if you aren't making a profit on each transaction.
Existing PC makers' attempts at 'boutique' lines have not exactly been selling like hotcakes (adamo, elitebooks, alienware etc.) - it is arguable that their quality still falls far below Apples, but then again how much of that is the software?
Right. So shouldn't they be addressing that issue?
You're still missing the OP's point. He's saying that the market has signalled overall that price is more important than reliability.
But he doesn't actually say that - he just says that 95% reliability beats 99% reliability if it's cheap enough, and doesn't qualify it as a decision of the market.
If enough people valued reliability over value then purchasing decisions would indicate over time that this was the case, leading the companies to adjust their products and pricing points i.e. economics 101
That is exactly what the market is indicating, so why don't the manufacturers take the hint? Apple is making greater profits off a smaller number of laptop sales than anyone else. Meanwhile, the vendors selling the cheap crap are treading water. So why aren't they using Economics 101 and switching to selling more profitable products?
But that only makes sense if you value reliability less than the additional cost. For many users, reliability is a much more important issue than a few dollars saved. It's hard to put a price on not having your computer die at an inopportune moment.
Also, with the higher-end machine, you not only get increased reliability, you also get increased performance. Again, for intensive users who make money with their computers, that's very important.
So, his presentation didn't actually happen? How does that work, people are reporting on it. Did he manage to convince people to hallucinate that he gave a presentation that he didn't?
The fact that christian conservatives would sanctify these men who consider marriage to be worthless just shows how the process crates an evolution of values.
That's not so hard to understand, if you consider the mindset the conservative-christian faction is borne of.
They are rich, powerful white men. Women are there to serve them. A woman who cheats is a horrible slut, but a wealthy man who cheats is just virile and exercising his social status. A Mexican who smokes marijuana deserves to be in jail, but a wealthy white male who is an alcoholic and wraps his car around a tree is just "one of the boys."
Double Standards is the native language of these people. A consistent moral or philosophical stand would be unintelligible to them. If you sin, you will be forgiven, so why not make the most of it?
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The Apple I launched in July 1976 was a fully populated circuit board and nothing else no enclosure no keyboard no display no disk drives.
That's true. The Apple I was also a hobbyist computer, though a lot more advanced than the Altair. But my point was that the Altair was not a Personal Computer. Am I wrong about that?
WRONG. The first personal computers were sold in the early 70s, and the most popular of those was the Altair (1975-77).
The Altair was not a "Personal Computer," it was a hobbyist/kit computer. It had blinking lights, not something you could reasonably use for personal productivity tasks.
I think it's revealing that neither Apple nor Google chose to invest in Mozilla instead of going it on their own
It is very revealing. It reveals how the Firefox engine is a piece of shit. It's so fucking slow, and fast becoming the IE of non-IE browsers. WebKit is obviously superior.
there is the claim that when the economy is on the up, people buy cheap as if it breaks they just buy a new one. But on a down economy they buy expensive in the belief that it will last longer.
I completely agree, as I have mentioned in previous posts.
As far as CAGW goes, there is a fundamental chain of proofs that have to occur before it can be taken as reasonably proven. These start with the claim that the Earth is warming and end with the claim that therefore catastrophe will result.
What the fuck? "Therefore catastrophe will result" is not even a part of climate science.
the CAGW proponents wish to destroy the world's economy
Just like you made that up.
The people you bash as "deniers" are actually not denying climate change, but are instead debating the following points that you seem to be ignoring.
This is incorrect. Plenty of them still actually flat-out deny climate change as a phenomenon. The points you cite amount to little more than hand-waving attempts to distract from the real issues, and have only come up when they were confronted with undeniable evidence that climate change is happening at a rapid rate.
The deniers are deniers of reality. That they change their arguments on a whim is standard practice for disingenuous people with an agenda. They are fully deserving of the title.
Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of phoning in this country. The iPhone 3G was the phone to own. Then the other guy came out with a Linux phone. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called the iPhone 4. That's two antennas and a new screen. For resolution. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to Android. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling two antennas and a screen. Resolution or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five bars.
Sure, we could go to four bars next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, three worked out pretty well, and four is the next number after three. So let's play it safe. Let's make a rubber bumper and call it the iPhone 4 SuperTurbo. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why!
You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the multi-antenna game. Are they the best a man can get? Fuck, no. Apple is the best a hipster can get.
What part of this don't you understand? If two bars is good, and three bars is better, obviously five bars would make us the best fucking phone that ever existed. Comprende? We didn't claw our way to the top of the phone game by clinging to the two-bar industry standard. We got here by taking chances. Well, five bars is the biggest chance of all.
Here's the report from Engineering. Someone put it in the bathroom: I want to wipe my ass with it. They don't tell me what to invent—I tell them. And I'm telling them to stick two more bars in there. I don't care how. Make the bars so thin they're invisible. Put some on the handle. I don't care if they have to cram the fifth bar in perpendicular to the other four, just do it!
You're taking the "smart" part of "smart phone" too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let's hit it. Let's roll. This is our chance to make phone history. Let's dream big. All you have to do is say that five bars can happen, and it will happen. If you aren't on board, then fuck you. And if you're on the board, then fuck you and your father. Hey, if I'm the only one who'll take risks, I'm sure as hell happy to hog all the glory when the five-bar phone becomes the phone tool for the U.S. of "this is how we phone now" A.
People said we couldn't go to three. It'll cost a fortune to manufacture, they said. Well, we did it. Now some egghead in a lab is screaming "Five's crazy?" Well, perhaps he'd be more comfortable in the labs at Dell, working on fucking mini-towers. PCI Bus, my white ass!
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should just ride in Google's wake and make clouds. Ha! Not on your fucking life! The day I shadow a penny-ante outfit like Google is the day I leave the phone game for good, and that won't happen until the day I die!
The market? Listen, we make the market. All we have to do is put her out there with a little jingle. It's as easy as, "Hey, phoning with anything less than five bars is like searching with Alta Vista." Or "Your iPhone is going to be so friggin' receptive, someone's gonna walk up and goddamn impregnate it from 5 miles away."
I know what you're thinking now: What'll people say? Mew mew mew. Oh, no, what will people say?! Grow the fuck up. When you're on top, people talk. That's the price you pay for being on top. Which Apple is, always has been, and forever shall be, Amen, five bars, sweet Jesus in heaven.
Stop. I just had a stroke of genius. Are you ready? Open your mouth, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one sweet, fat nightcrawler. Here she comes: Put another antenna on that fucker, too. That's right. Five bars, three antennas, and make the second one vibrate. You heard me—the second antenna vibrates. It's a whole new way to think about phoning. Don't question it. Don't say a word. Just key the music, and call the chorus girls, because we're on the edge—the phone's edge—and I feel like dancing.
No, I haven't become what I hate. You don't see me supporting an abusive, shitty company so I can have a trendy, overpriced device.
But you use an Android phone... so there must be some cognitive dissonance there.
Did I just wake up in the future, because I can't stop myself from thinking of C.M. Kornbluth's The Marching Morons [wikipedia.org]. Fix it in software? It's supposed to correspond to antenna physics
No, you woke up in the present, where you are just as stupid as you were yesterday. Do you lack reading comprehension abilities? The "fix" is to make the display correlate more accurately with the antenna physics, which are not as bad as the signal strength display programming made them seem.
Well, AT&T does say "More bars in more places"
I assumed they were talking about dives where you can go to get hammered on cheap martinis because you can't get any phone reception.
This doesn't change the fact that the signal strength changes with how you hold the phone. If the change manifests itself only in fewer bars, everything will be alright. If actual call quality or reliability is affected, this change won't do anything for that
Some casual tests I've seen show that even when held "inappropriately," the iPhone 4 still gets a better signal and faster transfer speed than earlier models.
If that million dollars is just sitting around doing nothing, can I please have it instead? I'm pretty good at adding.
Microsoft has invented the diode? Thank goodness for that, I don't think electronics could progress any further without it.
for all their advantages and marketing Apple's market share is still dwarfed by windows PCs.
Companies don't (or shouldn't) go into business for marketshare, they are supposed to make money. Greater marketshare can actually be a bad thing if you aren't making a profit on each transaction.
Existing PC makers' attempts at 'boutique' lines have not exactly been selling like hotcakes (adamo, elitebooks, alienware etc.) - it is arguable that their quality still falls far below Apples, but then again how much of that is the software?
Right. So shouldn't they be addressing that issue?
You're still missing the OP's point. He's saying that the market has signalled overall that price is more important than reliability.
But he doesn't actually say that - he just says that 95% reliability beats 99% reliability if it's cheap enough, and doesn't qualify it as a decision of the market.
If enough people valued reliability over value then purchasing decisions would indicate over time that this was the case, leading the companies to adjust their products and pricing points i.e. economics 101
That is exactly what the market is indicating, so why don't the manufacturers take the hint? Apple is making greater profits off a smaller number of laptop sales than anyone else. Meanwhile, the vendors selling the cheap crap are treading water. So why aren't they using Economics 101 and switching to selling more profitable products?
(95% reliable + cheap) > (99% reliable + expensive)
But that only makes sense if you value reliability less than the additional cost. For many users, reliability is a much more important issue than a few dollars saved. It's hard to put a price on not having your computer die at an inopportune moment.
Also, with the higher-end machine, you not only get increased reliability, you also get increased performance. Again, for intensive users who make money with their computers, that's very important.
Their laptops have been some of the best I've used.
Wow, you must have used a lot of terrible laptops and somehow managed to skip the good ones.
Yes, it sucks and nobody likes it but a 95% reliable cheap notebook beats a 99% reliable expensive one,
That doesn't make any sense. How is 95% reliability better than 99% reliability? Perhaps you should study basic mathematics, like learning to count?
People on this site should know that if you buy from Dell, you get it from their Small / Medium Business site.
I would have thought people on this site should know not to buy from Dell in the first place.
& they come to your house to fix the computer within a day or two.
That's the problem. You will need them to come and fix it. Possibly within a day or two of purchase.
Whoosh!
Look, I don't mind if iTex replaces Flash, but don't take Whoosh away from me! I'm rather fond of it.
according to google, his presentation was a hoax.
So, his presentation didn't actually happen? How does that work, people are reporting on it. Did he manage to convince people to hallucinate that he gave a presentation that he didn't?
No, you're just misunderstanding the -graph suffix. It's more than just for images.
Actually, you seem to be the one misunderstanding the -graph suffix. Or missing the joke.
We live in the Wiki-age... instant updates, instant results, instant gratification.
You say that like it's a good thing. It's not. Fuck that shit, and learn to have a little self-control and long-term thinking.
Having a disassociative experience after a drug is a fairly serious event and it isn't funny.
Are you kidding me? It's fucking hilarious. Why do you think people take hallucinogenic drugs?
The fact that christian conservatives would sanctify these men who consider marriage to be worthless just shows how the process crates an evolution of values.
That's not so hard to understand, if you consider the mindset the conservative-christian faction is borne of.
They are rich, powerful white men. Women are there to serve them. A woman who cheats is a horrible slut, but a wealthy man who cheats is just virile and exercising his social status. A Mexican who smokes marijuana deserves to be in jail, but a wealthy white male who is an alcoholic and wraps his car around a tree is just "one of the boys."
Double Standards is the native language of these people. A consistent moral or philosophical stand would be unintelligible to them. If you sin, you will be forgiven, so why not make the most of it?