There an appropriate quote that describes this behavior though I can't remember where it is from. I think it might be Sin City.
"A smoker is always a smoker when there chips are down"
Are you a smoker? I was. The prior quote is rather retardedly true (from my perspective). Karl Jung among other psychologists observed and was curious with how people who were in bad situations had a tendecy to make their lives worse (wonderfully paradoxical aspect of human behavior). I think it answers your cause and effect query in a sense (though it doesn't explain why humans do that). Anyway good observation, not sure why this post is relevant, though... if you haven't been a smoker you'll have a tough time trying to understand the insanity of walking to a store to spend the last bit of money you have on something to you know you don't want.
Operation D-Elite is being conducted jointly by ICE and the FBI as part of the Computer And Technology Crime High Tech Response Team ("CATCH"), a San Diego task force of specially trained prosecutors and law enforcement officers who focus on high-tech crime.
Grooooooove is in the heeaarrttttt... aieeee aieeee aieeeee.
Grrroooooove is the heartttt.. aieee aiee aieeeee.
The US started its rise towards a dominant world power at the end of the 1800's percisely because it practiced protectionist policies with regards to its developing industries. I won't argue over whether this is a good or bad thing (though I do think it is hypocritical for the US to assume that South America countries will develop through Free Trade).
It seems like a very wise more on the Chinese Governments part, it just isn't necessarily good for ensuring the maximum amount of trust between it and other countries. It shows IMHO that they are going to play hard-ball for world dominance which is a rather scary prospect. Consider how a wounded animal reacts to other creatures (irrationally), I propose that if it isn't happening already, the US will become that wounded animal which is a rather scary possibility.
My impression from watching US tv is that anything that is no a certain brand of neo-liberal ideology (which is not recognized by the media as very much ideological ) is socialist communist or finally facist.
I suppose it's worth repeating what everyone keeps saying. Frequently what is even esposed as free-market (etc. etc. etc.) isn't always following the 'rules'.
On a side note: the US ensured its rise to becoming a world power at the turn of the 20th century through protectionist policies. The same policies that is says won't help third world counties to develop (sometimes questionable itself but, I'll use it for now). Which some how brings us back to third world governments interest in GPL software.
Interesting that I to that point in this post, I'm sure that point isn't related to this article but, i'm sure it has some CEO's sweating thinking of some of the countries that may slip beyond their grasps.
Everything he's claimed was taught to me in first and second year university history and study of war courses.
If enough replies don't convice you, email me and I'll go looking for references.
I respect your political interests (and opinions) but, I don't think it should blind your vision of the world (incidently you should see <i>Fog of War</i> it's a great documentary what ever you believe). Most of the soldiers who were involved in death squads in South America were trained at the Academy of the America's (think I've got the name right - right now), i think Noreaga or his sargeants among them.
So i guess my point is you shouldn't discount the angry opinions of many others as 'whining', I think to do so would be to be blind and dismissive of the values that the US was founded on.
# Scripting:Tiger will include a front-end scripting environment known as "Automator." Longhorn will include a new scripting shell (currently in beta test) known as "Monad."
Err.. just an ominous side note. Joseph Cambell (a scholar of cross religious studies) defined (or used the definition) monad to describe total cultural hegemonies (or universes). So for example there was an Egyptian Monad and a roman monad and english monad (the British empire). There really according to him have only been about 7 or 8 in history. A monad in this context describes a combination of world view, common sense and basically is basically an all encompassing way of thinking that those in the Monad have trouble breaking free from.:)
A quick search with google turned up a couple of esoteric defintions about the Buddha and biology.
Have you seen the shirts that say "god hates shell-fish"? One of the cultural studies profs at my school wears one.
Apparently it's mentioned in the bible that god despises shrimp 5 times more then god hates gays (can't confirm this at this moment).
The thing that I tend to notice about fundamentalism and literal readings of the bible is that it is a very selective approach (IMHO used unconsciously to justify cultural norms - which is what culture has always done).
It seems to me that if such a reading of the bible is going to happen then said Christians should be up in arms about a lot more then simply gay people.(which to some degree I suppose they are)
Never mind the senseless killing of a whole lot of people outside of North America. Think of all the sinning sea-food lovers and other literal readings of the bible that are going un-practiced.
Please note this is not meant to be directed at any one given individual (Christian) but, rather at those who practice what I'm talking about.
On what grounds?
Have you seen the shirts that say "god hates shell-fish"? One of the cultural studies profs at my school wears one.
Apparently it's mentioned that god despises shrimp 5 times more then god hates gays (can't confirm this at this moment).
The thing that I tend to notice about fundamentalism and literal readings of the bible is that it is a very selective approach (in reality IMHO to justify cultural norms which is what culture has always done).
It seems to me that if such a reading of the bible is going to happen then said Christians should be up in arms about a lot more then simply gay people.
Never mind the senseless killing of a whole lot of people outside of North America. Think of all the sinning sea-food lovers and other literal readings of the bible that are going un-practiced.
my two cents,
Mike
I'm not sure where the balance between culture versus survival comes into the discussion. I suppose in an ideal world what ever culture that is to be affected will have to make said choice.
Walmart is a good example. In a more developed country the balance between a completely uniform inexpensive (free market) cultural landscape versus a cultural landscape that has more diversity and local charm is a more difficult decision to work with (as a societal discussion).
I suppose the problem is that in say South Sudan its very hard to "just say no!";) when its the difference between life and death. I suppose that is the magic of globalization for better and for worse. As well it would be fool hearty to try to lock human society in one state forever (i.e cultures have risen and fallin through out history)
I personally don't have any answers. I'm pretty sure cultural-diversity is a good thing (even if it can lead to conflict). I suppose the only answer that I can see to preserving said cultures/culture is an "enlightened company" persuing said markets. Though there are certainly less companies that market on their (i'm going to use this word for lack of a better one) "altruistic" policies, there certainly are some. These companies can and do do well for themselves but, there must be some method whereby such concerns aren't just left to chance (yet not heavily interferring in the market). Again I don't really know what the solution is, I'm just throwing this out.
One of the problems of these discussions is that the argument becomes far more convaluted (sp?) when you start talking about independant music.
There is a lot of music out there that one would never be exposed to if it weren't for file sharing. When I used to buy vinyl singles if I found something that I'd heard from an mp3 I'd be more likely to buy it. It's a strange Catch 22.
For example, I as a musicican would love for people to hear my music. For what it's worth it would be better for them to listen to it for free than not listen to it at all. That said from what I understand if I were to distribute my music online the legitimacy of copywrite melts (if I'm not mistaken), so eventually releasing the song on vinyl (if it was clear it was liked enough) might become a head ache.
Further more a lot the independant music is difficult to find in the real world (i.e anything more than specialty vinyl stores). Finally to demonstrate something try punching "Kevin Saunderson" into iTunes. Saunderson even had a few charting singles in the late 80's. He's one of the fathers of Detroit techno (i.e he plays to 50,000 people at festivals in Detroit). He's huge in that scene, so what is the chance of finding a smaller artists like "Japanese Telecom".
I'm not saying some artists can't be found. I guess my point is simply that when you start talking about independant or small artists the debate changes its nature a little, I guess mainly because even though the Industry would distribute them if they could make a lot of $$$, they're certainly not interested in trying to change the status quo so that side of the discussion of legalities and so on never gets mentioned.
My friend is pretty excited about this one. It's a MIT project. It's based on applets, it can do 3d (or pseudo 3d i wasn't quite clear from the brief reading i've done) Apparently it can work with OpenSound control (which is one of thbe reasons why he likes it).
This means that you could control an animation on the other side of the world with your MIDI controller. I'm not sure whether it is workable as a website presentation solution yet. I think it might only be good for experimental psychedellic graphics.:)
That's a really good point! The profit motive that can be the cause of greedy questionable behavior in this world would definitely work to food distributions advantage.
I guess that the market would find a balance between charging the most they could for the food, but, assuming that entrepaneurs could make some money, the cost would be at level of that people could afford food.
Never mind really innovative ideas that would be sympathetic to local situations (i.e. would benefit people and entrepaneurs without westernizing the areas)!
Just theorizing. I did mediocre in first year economics..:)
Mike
I have be told numerous times, and I won't stand by it (nor do I know where the source is) that in the first Gulf War no more than 10% of the percision guided missiles ever hit their target.
I'm assuming that smart bombs haven't improved that much since that point. Perhaps that means a single us aircraft can expect to get multiple kills every time out, but they aren't legit (under the Geneva convention;) ).
Err. I'z iz takin us farther in to OT territory..:)
couldn't resist,
Mike
Thanks for taking the time to put more thought into your post then I did.;) Sorry if the tone of that post was soap box like.
What I posted was an oversimplification. What i think I was getting at is why there is rarely a discourse of how a more stable world is a potentially economically valuable thing (among others).
Which I guess to reiterate your points requires both monetary initiatives but also political leadership.
Cheers, tonights soap box king
Mike
I didn't say I believed it unquestioningly. I take your point for sure. I will say that its very hard to judge such factors against each other, much more for economists. Like everyone they have there own agenda though and are probably not always thinking about other factors.
I'm afraid I've taken this thread hopelessly off topic. but, I appreciate all the ideas as it only helps to expand my understanding of the issue.
Cheers,
Mike
:)
I remember hearing about the miracle bagel attempted in El Salvador during the civil war as an all in one nutrients thing. It was a total flop. No lack of good intent though, I guess.
Mike
I'm sorry I'm not trying to put that level of morale argument across since it wouldn't be fair to expect others to follow that position even I was capable of it myself. I'm merely pointing out that sometimes (already forgot 1st year economics word for this) relative value of things doesn't get considered in in the discussion.
damnit i'm going to bring up another US example but it serves my point
http://www.costofwar.com/
there are a lot of ways to slice this, but, just really that there are often far better ways to spend money to get a result I guess.
Regards,
Mike
Osama Bin Laden listed the starvation of the Iraqi children under US sanctions as one of the top 5 motivations for persuing terrorism.
I agree some violence is beyond a question of subsistence. Yes many terrorists come from wealthy backgrounds too I guess. The only point I'm trying make on this note is that frequently if life doesn't seem like its an expendable commodity then its a lot harder to convince someone to perhaps give that up through any number of ways.
Please read the next thread as I don't want to post more (volume) off topic as I realize I've already taken this thread.:)
Mike
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There an appropriate quote that describes this behavior though I can't remember where it is from. I think it might be Sin City.
:),
"A smoker is always a smoker when there chips are down"
Are you a smoker? I was. The prior quote is rather retardedly true (from my perspective). Karl Jung among other psychologists observed and was curious with how people who were in bad situations had a tendecy to make their lives worse (wonderfully paradoxical aspect of human behavior). I think it answers your cause and effect query in a sense (though it doesn't explain why humans do that). Anyway good observation, not sure why this post is relevant, though... if you haven't been a smoker you'll have a tough time trying to understand the insanity of walking to a store to spend the last bit of money you have on something to you know you don't want.
Err.. anyway...
Mike
Operation D-Elite is being conducted jointly by ICE and the FBI as part of the Computer And Technology Crime High Tech Response Team ("CATCH"), a San Diego task force of specially trained prosecutors and law enforcement officers who focus on high-tech crime.
Grooooooove is in the heeaarrttttt... aieeee aieeee aieeeee.
Grrroooooove is the heartttt.. aieee aiee aieeeee.
errr. i'm sorry I don't know what came over me..
The US started its rise towards a dominant world power at the end of the 1800's percisely because it practiced protectionist policies with regards to its developing industries. I won't argue over whether this is a good or bad thing (though I do think it is hypocritical for the US to assume that South America countries will develop through Free Trade).
It seems like a very wise more on the Chinese Governments part, it just isn't necessarily good for ensuring the maximum amount of trust between it and other countries. It shows IMHO that they are going to play hard-ball for world dominance which is a rather scary prospect. Consider how a wounded animal reacts to other creatures (irrationally), I propose that if it isn't happening already, the US will become that wounded animal which is a rather scary possibility.
Mike
My impression from watching US tv is that anything that is no a certain brand of neo-liberal ideology (which is not recognized by the media as very much ideological ) is socialist communist or finally facist.
I suppose it's worth repeating what everyone keeps saying. Frequently what is even esposed as free-market (etc. etc. etc.) isn't always following the 'rules'.
On a side note: the US ensured its rise to becoming a world power at the turn of the 20th century through protectionist policies. The same policies that is says won't help third world counties to develop (sometimes questionable itself but, I'll use it for now). Which some how brings us back to third world governments interest in GPL software.
Interesting that I to that point in this post, I'm sure that point isn't related to this article but, i'm sure it has some CEO's sweating thinking of some of the countries that may slip beyond their grasps.
Mike
A correction my prior post called it the Academy of the America's
It's actuall School of the America's
Mike
Everything he's claimed was taught to me in first and second year university history and study of war courses.
If enough replies don't convice you, email me and I'll go looking for references.
I respect your political interests (and opinions) but, I don't think it should blind your vision of the world (incidently you should see <i>Fog of War</i> it's a great documentary what ever you believe). Most of the soldiers who were involved in death squads in South America were trained at the Academy of the America's (think I've got the name right - right now), i think Noreaga or his sargeants among them.
So i guess my point is you shouldn't discount the angry opinions of many others as 'whining', I think to do so would be to be blind and dismissive of the values that the US was founded on.
Mike
# Scripting:Tiger will include a front-end scripting environment known as "Automator." Longhorn will include a new scripting shell (currently in beta test) known as "Monad." :)
Err.. just an ominous side note. Joseph Cambell (a scholar of cross religious studies) defined (or used the definition) monad to describe total cultural hegemonies (or universes). So for example there was an Egyptian Monad and a roman monad and english monad (the British empire). There really according to him have only been about 7 or 8 in history. A monad in this context describes a combination of world view, common sense and basically is basically an all encompassing way of thinking that those in the Monad have trouble breaking free from.
A quick search with google turned up a couple of esoteric defintions about the Buddha and biology.
err, anyway.
On what grounds?
Have you seen the shirts that say "god hates shell-fish"? One of the cultural studies profs at my school wears one.
Apparently it's mentioned in the bible that god despises shrimp 5 times more then god hates gays (can't confirm this at this moment).
The thing that I tend to notice about fundamentalism and literal readings of the bible is that it is a very selective approach (IMHO used unconsciously to justify cultural norms - which is what culture has always done).
It seems to me that if such a reading of the bible is going to happen then said Christians should be up in arms about a lot more then simply gay people.(which to some degree I suppose they are)
Never mind the senseless killing of a whole lot of people outside of North America. Think of all the sinning sea-food lovers and other literal readings of the bible that are going un-practiced.
Please note this is not meant to be directed at any one given individual (Christian) but, rather at those who practice what I'm talking about.
my two cents,
Mike
On what grounds? Have you seen the shirts that say "god hates shell-fish"? One of the cultural studies profs at my school wears one. Apparently it's mentioned that god despises shrimp 5 times more then god hates gays (can't confirm this at this moment). The thing that I tend to notice about fundamentalism and literal readings of the bible is that it is a very selective approach (in reality IMHO to justify cultural norms which is what culture has always done). It seems to me that if such a reading of the bible is going to happen then said Christians should be up in arms about a lot more then simply gay people. Never mind the senseless killing of a whole lot of people outside of North America. Think of all the sinning sea-food lovers and other literal readings of the bible that are going un-practiced. my two cents, Mike
I'm not sure where the balance between culture versus survival comes into the discussion. I suppose in an ideal world what ever culture that is to be affected will have to make said choice.
;) when its the difference between life and death. I suppose that is the magic of globalization for better and for worse. As well it would be fool hearty to try to lock human society in one state forever (i.e cultures have risen and fallin through out history)
Walmart is a good example. In a more developed country the balance between a completely uniform inexpensive (free market) cultural landscape versus a cultural landscape that has more diversity and local charm is a more difficult decision to work with (as a societal discussion).
I suppose the problem is that in say South Sudan its very hard to "just say no!"
I personally don't have any answers. I'm pretty sure cultural-diversity is a good thing (even if it can lead to conflict). I suppose the only answer that I can see to preserving said cultures/culture is an "enlightened company" persuing said markets. Though there are certainly less companies that market on their (i'm going to use this word for lack of a better one) "altruistic" policies, there certainly are some. These companies can and do do well for themselves but, there must be some method whereby such concerns aren't just left to chance (yet not heavily interferring in the market). Again I don't really know what the solution is, I'm just throwing this out.
Cheers,
Mike
One of the problems of these discussions is that the argument becomes far more convaluted (sp?) when you start talking about independant music.
There is a lot of music out there that one would never be exposed to if it weren't for file sharing. When I used to buy vinyl singles if I found something that I'd heard from an mp3 I'd be more likely to buy it. It's a strange Catch 22.
For example, I as a musicican would love for people to hear my music. For what it's worth it would be better for them to listen to it for free than not listen to it at all. That said from what I understand if I were to distribute my music online the legitimacy of copywrite melts (if I'm not mistaken), so eventually releasing the song on vinyl (if it was clear it was liked enough) might become a head ache.
Further more a lot the independant music is difficult to find in the real world (i.e anything more than specialty vinyl stores). Finally to demonstrate something try punching "Kevin Saunderson" into iTunes. Saunderson even had a few charting singles in the late 80's. He's one of the fathers of Detroit techno (i.e he plays to 50,000 people at festivals in Detroit). He's huge in that scene, so what is the chance of finding a smaller artists like "Japanese Telecom".
I'm not saying some artists can't be found. I guess my point is simply that when you start talking about independant or small artists the debate changes its nature a little, I guess mainly because even though the Industry would distribute them if they could make a lot of $$$, they're certainly not interested in trying to change the status quo so that side of the discussion of legalities and so on never gets mentioned.
Long-winded response! Cheers,
Mike
http://processing.org/info.html
:)
My friend is pretty excited about this one. It's a MIT project. It's based on applets, it can do 3d (or pseudo 3d i wasn't quite clear from the brief reading i've done) Apparently it can work with OpenSound control (which is one of thbe reasons why he likes it).
This means that you could control an animation on the other side of the world with your MIDI controller. I'm not sure whether it is workable as a website presentation solution yet. I think it might only be good for experimental psychedellic graphics.
Mike
That's a really good point! The profit motive that can be the cause of greedy questionable behavior in this world would definitely work to food distributions advantage. I guess that the market would find a balance between charging the most they could for the food, but, assuming that entrepaneurs could make some money, the cost would be at level of that people could afford food. Never mind really innovative ideas that would be sympathetic to local situations (i.e. would benefit people and entrepaneurs without westernizing the areas)! Just theorizing. I did mediocre in first year economics.. :)
Mike
I have be told numerous times, and I won't stand by it (nor do I know where the source is) that in the first Gulf War no more than 10% of the percision guided missiles ever hit their target. I'm assuming that smart bombs haven't improved that much since that point. Perhaps that means a single us aircraft can expect to get multiple kills every time out, but they aren't legit (under the Geneva convention ;) ).
Err. I'z iz takin us farther in to OT territory.. :)
couldn't resist,
Mike
Thanks for taking the time to put more thought into your post then I did. ;) Sorry if the tone of that post was soap box like.
What I posted was an oversimplification. What i think I was getting at is why there is rarely a discourse of how a more stable world is a potentially economically valuable thing (among others).
Which I guess to reiterate your points requires both monetary initiatives but also political leadership.
Cheers, tonights soap box king
Mike
I didn't say I believed it unquestioningly. I take your point for sure. I will say that its very hard to judge such factors against each other, much more for economists. Like everyone they have there own agenda though and are probably not always thinking about other factors. I'm afraid I've taken this thread hopelessly off topic. but, I appreciate all the ideas as it only helps to expand my understanding of the issue. Cheers, Mike
:) I remember hearing about the miracle bagel attempted in El Salvador during the civil war as an all in one nutrients thing. It was a total flop. No lack of good intent though, I guess. Mike
I'm sorry I'm not trying to put that level of morale argument across since it wouldn't be fair to expect others to follow that position even I was capable of it myself. I'm merely pointing out that sometimes (already forgot 1st year economics word for this) relative value of things doesn't get considered in in the discussion. damnit i'm going to bring up another US example but it serves my point http://www.costofwar.com/ there are a lot of ways to slice this, but, just really that there are often far better ways to spend money to get a result I guess. Regards, Mike
Osama Bin Laden listed the starvation of the Iraqi children under US sanctions as one of the top 5 motivations for persuing terrorism. I agree some violence is beyond a question of subsistence. Yes many terrorists come from wealthy backgrounds too I guess. The only point I'm trying make on this note is that frequently if life doesn't seem like its an expendable commodity then its a lot harder to convince someone to perhaps give that up through any number of ways. Please read the next thread as I don't want to post more (volume) off topic as I realize I've already taken this thread. :)
Mike
I guess if I intended not to do what the subject says i wouldn't post this. None the less I suppose it has to be mentioned.
.. ...
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The UN has estimated that for 81 billion dollars a year everyone on Earth could be fed.
Now nevermind the US military budget
Err.. space travel is cool. but someone has to say it. Priorities?
I guess the real point is that we could have space travel and no world hunger (and hense no terrorists and far less wars) but..
err.. interested to see if anyone has any thoughts (always surprised by the depth of insite and depths of cynacism on here)
Mike