On a fully secured (DEP, non Admin account, all updates) Windows machine, I can see "quarantined" items which all appear to be "autorun.xxx.worm" , pick anything you like. It is already out of hand.
If something happened like this on Apple OS X land, Apple would roll out an operating system update and disable Autorun. Perhaps, they could show a help document about installing applications with double clicking.
Shrink wrapped/boxed software is _dead_. Even if it is not dead, it is trivial to add the "install software" control panel back. Just a line needed to be on box or "driver cd". That is all. It won't be the first time some convenience is given up for security. How many times people install the same software anyway?
If you (and lots of people) just knew how people in Turkey and some parts of Govt. are sick and tired of "EU stick", you wouldn't mention it on your message.
EU has nothing to do with it. In fact, Ataturk has nothing to do with it. It is some really deep political matter and some kind of conspiracy by the forces who _really_ wants to exclude Turkey from rest of the secular World... As Slashdot is not really a political site, I refrain from going deeper.
It even has something to do with Google acting like "Who gives a F to what you think?" lately. Forget the Ataturk video which is supposed to start all, I am just asking one question. What happens if Al Queda starts posting training videos to Youtube and Youtube ignores the removal requests by US courts? I am not even mentioning the "easy way" which even Slashdot admits to do from time to time, e.g. a very credible and serious message from secret service.
Adobe doesn't say HTML5 sux, they say it is not really mature yet and every browser has different implementation, e.g. there is no guarantee an Adobe Flash quality page replacement (with all UI tricks etc.) will work consistently across different browsers.
Apple, not providing a part of it (3d) unless you bought their latest OS with latest hardware (Intel) even if you have a pro graphics card should be the last company to set such a "demo".
Opera 10.5+ has its own 2D accelerated drawing engine, said to be so fast performing at software level that they don't even bother to do 3d things yet. If you try latest 10.5 or 10.6 alpha, you may agree that they did something after all.
Firefox should be already accelerated with Cairo, isn't it so? Also they got direct3d accelerated nightly builds.
BTW; Apple and MS, they are somehow forced to do such cool 3d acceleration on the latest operating systems _only_ and get away with it. On the other hand, Opera, Firefox, Chrome has to work fine on at least 1 generation earlier OS so they can't really say "We accelerated it but you need to use OS X 10.6/Win 7 to see it."
Funny thing is, they are at RC7 level and I have been testing RC series on Mac PPC since the first RC, they aren't that crashy or buggy.
They could simply hurry with the couple of major issues (if there is) and rush out Flash 10.1. It would be way better than infecting people's machines because they use your plugin.
Same for Adobe reader... Wonder if they are coding this Sunday or having some "rich corporate coder" life as usual. Just imagine the speed of fix if this was some no-name 3 developer open source project at sourceforge. As far as I followed open/free software, they would make couple of coffees and launch their IDE right away.
Steve Jobs told the exact problem with "Apple TV" or anything regarding "replacing TV" or "inventing things to plug into TV". He also said he will not let (!) a nation of "bloggers". Perhaps he meant such blogs/news sites (!) who doesn't understand the basic concept of millions of devices pulling some random data at same time and making money over it. Ask Google about the money Youtube makes...
When I heard multicast in 1990s and couldn't try because my ISP (like 99% others) didn't support it, it became a mystery for me.
Why doesn't consumer multicast take off? OK, the original specs are too low for today's needs, why not multicast 2.0? Especially when Google like companies has to pay billions for same video and they are experimenting with "live" broadcast?
Before Youtube I'd say MPAA or TV network conspiracy but it really seems something else as we hear even Microsoft is experimenting with P2P for OS updates, they simply pay too much for old fashion uploads.It should be even possible to multicast the OS updates. There should be millions of MS/Apple operating systems looking for updates at 9:10 AM and downloading terabytes of exact same file at 9:20.
So, poor (!) Xerox, IBM, Microsoft has to buy (possibly bid) ads from huge ad networks to show ads on/. but some no name, fantasy OS company can buy stories.
Besides all sane download sites should really have at least 3 antiviruses installed and running to check all binary files, it is the architecture of J2ME and Symbian which will seriously alert user with a blocking prompt for _each_ phone attempt done by 3rd party unsigned application.
One must be really stupid to ignore that alert and allow (there is no OK pre-selected) a phone call from game.
What I find hard to believe is: Windows Mobile doesn't have such mechanism?
No, Symbian and J2ME seriously warns when it tries to do a crazy thing like "dialling a phone number", I cancel, warn the site which I downloaded. So, I am (as well as 1b potential users) a "app store" guy myself.
What I wonder is: Doesn't Windows mobile have such mechanisms? I heard it does.
I couldn't read the article or the journalist mess resulting from article but I guess it is something like dust particles on lens. If someone takes a photo with couple of dust particles on lens (and can't notice it), why would a device/encoder (especially lossy one) would care about minor quirks and spend time for "absolutely pixel perfect" data?
Besides their robbing ink business, HP is a very prestigious company with decades of experience on computing. Intel is the company who does the actual chip. Both of them and their billions along with support from Microsoft couldn't manage to release the compiler which will do it and traditional "lets plug 64bit to x86" of AMD won.
I mean it really needs a lot to convince those guys to do anything to rely on "clever compilers". Billions lost for nothing, lots of code erased, lots of company image wasted. If Intel was something like ARM Holdings or AMD and did that mistake, there wouldn't be an Intel today.
Nobody (in end user, game etc.) does reliable multi-core execution yet. Of course a lot of stuff works with multi-core, I watch since my quad g5 purchase but at some point, e.g. even a simple thing (compare to game) like set MAKEFLAGS='-j4' may do insane things from time to time. That is basic multi core, perhaps it shouldn't be even called multi-core (just 4 tasks running in parallel).
I wouldn't be surprised if they are using off the shelf tools like FFTW on that supercomputer. It was just yesterday I was amazed at IBM featuring FFTW3 binaries and sources for BlueGene, just like some laptop support software from their website.
I can't find the URL (which I saw on IBM) now but, as you see from here http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/skral/fftwgel.html , it is just 2.7 mb ordinary tar.gz file, builds on PowerPC 440. Of course, number of PPC 440's it runs on is what matters:)
I know a lot of people who hated the idea of "oversized iPod" and they were waiting for HP Slate, they said "at last resort, we run some kind of Linux on it". As HP canceling Windows 7 tablet verified, they all went to store.apple.com and ordered iPads.
A tablet running a compatible (sorry to say as a PPC user) X86 and generic GPU was a big deal. Being able to run same apps was a big deal... They are so stupid really...
Well, I hate the idea of iPad but I hate the idea of relying to HP for a brand new OS more.
MS should have been wise to prepare an edition of Windows 7 for such constrained devices, just to show Apple that it is indeed possible to have a real, unlocked desktop OS running on a tablet. It would cost a lot less than 10 days of advertising for them. That is a complete missed opportunity for MS and Adobe if you ask me.
WebOS? I know it is based on Linux but, even the name is sounding unfit, web Widgets... There is a Norwegian company who are known to create miracles on such technologies and even their own W3C based Widget engine for Mobiles is at alpha stage now. I mean the Opera Widgets for Mobile.
HP better keep on selling overpriced ink, plastic printers. I know they are a great server company but they got to get rid of that pyramid scheme like "business" if they want people to buy their consumer products. Scanners can't scan when there is ink missing in printer, give me a break really. I bet that tablet will refuse to run when you don't pay contract whatever they dealt with.
The actual project to enhance MacOS was failed so badly. It was good on paper but was horrible in reality. Amelio hired legendary Ellen Hancock to figure what the hell is actually going on, she suggested Apple to cancel project since it is going nowhere.
If it wasn't Steve Jobs, it would be another OS but not multi tasking enabled MacOS (of course, I know copland is way more than that).
Perhaps they gambled with NeXT just to get Steve Jobs but it doesn't really change that NeXT is such a amazingly future ready and multi platform by nature OS that Apple has to do childish tricks to prevent it from running on anything not Apple. If Bill Joy wasn't a billionaire and he didn't have to act like politician, he would sure have some comments about openstep and how Apple had to conspire it for future.
If I had a huge Solaris/Server installation, I would switch to RHEL right after Oracle buyout and no actual defense coming from Oracle regarding theories of Sun Hardware, Solaris, Java, all going to be cancelled.
End users like me ended up saying "Are you crazy? Would they ever do such mistake?" on behalf of them on slashdot.
Now, I am not sure since there is absolutely no reason for Oracle/Sun not to ship "Oracle Java for OS X" having latest features for _all_ OS X out there, not just only latest OS X on latest Apple CPU. I thought after they stabilize, they would do favors like that and yet they left it to Apple with limited resources and concentration/focus these days.
Also Solaris. Why can't Apple sell enough XServe? Because it is a closed platform just like Sun hardware. Each time Solaris managed to run perfectly on generic X86 and IT managers could install it, it added to Solaris sales since it can actually run on generic X86 hardware no matter what happens to Sun hardware. Solaris X86 free version was a real sales and image booster for Sun. Of course they would select RHEL because RHEL can even run on a cheap AMD box with 512MB RAM, one way or another.
Well, Sun is kind of a company who manages to have their own language/framework on billion devices (J2ME) and still manages to lose money and prestige over it.
Every phone, almost every cell phone you see has a working J2ME and companies who can actually code does create miracles on it. Just imagine what if MS wasn't that blind and managed to get a compact.NET on that number of devices.
It includes Limewire which is pure Java and it runs on one of the most hostile Java environments (both OS and userbase).
I can't understand how they CAN'T make money over it. I can't understand the patience of Java developers either... You make top of a general download sites top 10 list and you don't even get mentioned by the language vendor. They had a joke like portal (java.com) and it bugged some people at that sick company to convert it to a pure "download" page.
I mean Java is at a state where MS and Apple (with their culture) can't even dream of and they still manage to get acted like step child with weird rumors going on. I wonder if they have donated/sponsored a CENT to Limewire and Vuze, reason of 90% of Java desktop installations. If there was such a popular.NET open source application, MS would even assign some anonymous coders to that project.
"scientist of a company that had the ball but dropped it due to to failing to grasp the dynamics of the very market they once reigned "
He is well aware of those mistakes, if you have read the scoop of the article. Also he tips that Microsoft could be going the same way if it keeps insanely trying failed attempts not learning from their mistakes. Sun failed because they weren't quick to make Solaris open and free, they still fail in hands of Oracle who kinda cancelled Solaris-X86.
Remember a company who dragged their entire OS to Trash, emptied it and restarted with a fresh and open source OS instead of trying to "fix" it? It is no wonder that they are being given as example several times in that interview. He says who doesn't have courage to do it are doomed to fail just like Sun.
...and Steve Jobs is the guy who could sell that guy an iPad and iPhone.
"Joy: I'm enjoying using my iPad. "
You know, people say "So what if Apple doesn't allow this, allow that? Just don't buy it.", the people leading the industry are buying it and they think a closed environment, the most closed environment since ENIAC (!) is a good thing. Bill Joy isn't some average rich billionaire either, he has his own way of thinking and expressing his views down to get blamed to be "anti technology" guy. Steve Jobs can sell iPad to that guy, be afraid really...
Symbian devices and J2ME devices have a huge set of queries built in, you just query screen size, available API, device chars and output based on it. Obviously, a company like Gameloft does have simulation/emulation setups but it doesn't change the fact that it is actually the same executable. They even implement kind of DRM on top of executable against piracy.
5800 does count and in fact, besides being touch screen (which I hate), it is a real powerful device especially with extras like accelerated J2ME. It has a huge developer support behind it.
BTW, 26 million is just quarter, 3 months period. Sorry for confusing it with half year.
You know the real interesting thing which is fortunate for some companies is: People ignoring numbers like 24 million, in first 6 months of 2010. That is Symbian, supposed to be "fragmented" while single sisx file installs to almost anything.
You know what could drive all of them to real panic? If Nokia gets the neat idea of shipping a fully supported (and of course, working) Qt SDK for Android.
While on it, a device very similar to Android sold 19 million too... Blackberry... If you add them, it makes 43 million devices. That is the market a developer misses when he/she listens to these idiot blogs.
On a fully secured (DEP, non Admin account, all updates) Windows machine, I can see "quarantined" items which all appear to be "autorun.xxx.worm" , pick anything you like. It is already out of hand.
If something happened like this on Apple OS X land, Apple would roll out an operating system update and disable Autorun. Perhaps, they could show a help document about installing applications with double clicking.
Shrink wrapped/boxed software is _dead_. Even if it is not dead, it is trivial to add the "install software" control panel back. Just a line needed to be on box or "driver cd". That is all. It won't be the first time some convenience is given up for security. How many times people install the same software anyway?
If you (and lots of people) just knew how people in Turkey and some parts of Govt. are sick and tired of "EU stick", you wouldn't mention it on your message.
EU has nothing to do with it. In fact, Ataturk has nothing to do with it. It is some really deep political matter and some kind of conspiracy by the forces who _really_ wants to exclude Turkey from rest of the secular World... As Slashdot is not really a political site, I refrain from going deeper.
It even has something to do with Google acting like "Who gives a F to what you think?" lately. Forget the Ataturk video which is supposed to start all, I am just asking one question. What happens if Al Queda starts posting training videos to Youtube and Youtube ignores the removal requests by US courts? I am not even mentioning the "easy way" which even Slashdot admits to do from time to time, e.g. a very credible and serious message from secret service.
In case of Snow Leopard, he gotta give up his working powerpc mac and replace it with an Intel Mac.
While Steve Jobs and an idiotic lobby at Apple thinks otherwise, no person likes to throw away a working machine for installing a new OS.
In fact, lots of PowerPC Mac owners thinks about moving to Windows 7 since Apple managed to make them hate from the brand with such policies.
Adobe doesn't say HTML5 sux, they say it is not really mature yet and every browser has different implementation, e.g. there is no guarantee an Adobe Flash quality page replacement (with all UI tricks etc.) will work consistently across different browsers.
Apple, not providing a part of it (3d) unless you bought their latest OS with latest hardware (Intel) even if you have a pro graphics card should be the last company to set such a "demo".
Opera 10.5+ has its own 2D accelerated drawing engine, said to be so fast performing at software level that they don't even bother to do 3d things yet. If you try latest 10.5 or 10.6 alpha, you may agree that they did something after all.
Firefox should be already accelerated with Cairo, isn't it so? Also they got direct3d accelerated nightly builds.
BTW; Apple and MS, they are somehow forced to do such cool 3d acceleration on the latest operating systems _only_ and get away with it. On the other hand, Opera, Firefox, Chrome has to work fine on at least 1 generation earlier OS so they can't really say "We accelerated it but you need to use OS X 10.6/Win 7 to see it."
Funny thing is, they are at RC7 level and I have been testing RC series on Mac PPC since the first RC, they aren't that crashy or buggy.
They could simply hurry with the couple of major issues (if there is) and rush out Flash 10.1. It would be way better than infecting people's machines because they use your plugin.
Same for Adobe reader... Wonder if they are coding this Sunday or having some "rich corporate coder" life as usual. Just imagine the speed of fix if this was some no-name 3 developer open source project at sourceforge. As far as I followed open/free software, they would make couple of coffees and launch their IDE right away.
If you watch this video (which may work without Flash on Safari/Chrome):
http://video.allthingsd.com/video/d8-steve-jobs-on-television/FF922002-FA63-4B68-A326-EA12EC800612
Steve Jobs told the exact problem with "Apple TV" or anything regarding "replacing TV" or "inventing things to plug into TV". He also said he will not let (!) a nation of "bloggers". Perhaps he meant such blogs/news sites (!) who doesn't understand the basic concept of millions of devices pulling some random data at same time and making money over it. Ask Google about the money Youtube makes...
When I heard multicast in 1990s and couldn't try because my ISP (like 99% others) didn't support it, it became a mystery for me.
Why doesn't consumer multicast take off? OK, the original specs are too low for today's needs, why not multicast 2.0? Especially when Google like companies has to pay billions for same video and they are experimenting with "live" broadcast?
Before Youtube I'd say MPAA or TV network conspiracy but it really seems something else as we hear even Microsoft is experimenting with P2P for OS updates, they simply pay too much for old fashion uploads.It should be even possible to multicast the OS updates. There should be millions of MS/Apple operating systems looking for updates at 9:10 AM and downloading terabytes of exact same file at 9:20.
So, poor (!) Xerox, IBM, Microsoft has to buy (possibly bid) ads from huge ad networks to show ads on /. but some no name, fantasy OS company can buy stories.
That is what you mean right?
Besides all sane download sites should really have at least 3 antiviruses installed and running to check all binary files, it is the architecture of J2ME and Symbian which will seriously alert user with a blocking prompt for _each_ phone attempt done by 3rd party unsigned application.
One must be really stupid to ignore that alert and allow (there is no OK pre-selected) a phone call from game.
What I find hard to believe is: Windows Mobile doesn't have such mechanism?
No, Symbian and J2ME seriously warns when it tries to do a crazy thing like "dialling a phone number", I cancel, warn the site which I downloaded. So, I am (as well as 1b potential users) a "app store" guy myself.
What I wonder is: Doesn't Windows mobile have such mechanisms? I heard it does.
I guess people smiling at this article will have to think again ;)
http://www.thocp.net/biographies/papers/goto_considered_harmful.htm
I couldn't read the article or the journalist mess resulting from article but I guess it is something like dust particles on lens. If someone takes a photo with couple of dust particles on lens (and can't notice it), why would a device/encoder (especially lossy one) would care about minor quirks and spend time for "absolutely pixel perfect" data?
Besides their robbing ink business, HP is a very prestigious company with decades of experience on computing. Intel is the company who does the actual chip. Both of them and their billions along with support from Microsoft couldn't manage to release the compiler which will do it and traditional "lets plug 64bit to x86" of AMD won.
I mean it really needs a lot to convince those guys to do anything to rely on "clever compilers". Billions lost for nothing, lots of code erased, lots of company image wasted. If Intel was something like ARM Holdings or AMD and did that mistake, there wouldn't be an Intel today.
Nobody (in end user, game etc.) does reliable multi-core execution yet. Of course a lot of stuff works with multi-core, I watch since my quad g5 purchase but at some point, e.g. even a simple thing (compare to game) like set MAKEFLAGS='-j4' may do insane things from time to time. That is basic multi core, perhaps it shouldn't be even called multi-core (just 4 tasks running in parallel).
I wouldn't be surprised if they are using off the shelf tools like FFTW on that supercomputer. It was just yesterday I was amazed at IBM featuring FFTW3 binaries and sources for BlueGene, just like some laptop support software from their website.
I can't find the URL (which I saw on IBM) now but, as you see from here http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/skral/fftwgel.html , it is just 2.7 mb ordinary tar.gz file, builds on PowerPC 440. Of course, number of PPC 440's it runs on is what matters :)
I know a lot of people who hated the idea of "oversized iPod" and they were waiting for HP Slate, they said "at last resort, we run some kind of Linux on it". As HP canceling Windows 7 tablet verified, they all went to store.apple.com and ordered iPads.
A tablet running a compatible (sorry to say as a PPC user) X86 and generic GPU was a big deal. Being able to run same apps was a big deal... They are so stupid really...
Well, I hate the idea of iPad but I hate the idea of relying to HP for a brand new OS more.
MS should have been wise to prepare an edition of Windows 7 for such constrained devices, just to show Apple that it is indeed possible to have a real, unlocked desktop OS running on a tablet. It would cost a lot less than 10 days of advertising for them. That is a complete missed opportunity for MS and Adobe if you ask me.
WebOS? I know it is based on Linux but, even the name is sounding unfit, web Widgets... There is a Norwegian company who are known to create miracles on such technologies and even their own W3C based Widget engine for Mobiles is at alpha stage now. I mean the Opera Widgets for Mobile.
HP better keep on selling overpriced ink, plastic printers. I know they are a great server company but they got to get rid of that pyramid scheme like "business" if they want people to buy their consumer products. Scanners can't scan when there is ink missing in printer, give me a break really. I bet that tablet will refuse to run when you don't pay contract whatever they dealt with.
The actual project to enhance MacOS was failed so badly. It was good on paper but was horrible in reality. Amelio hired legendary Ellen Hancock to figure what the hell is actually going on, she suggested Apple to cancel project since it is going nowhere.
If it wasn't Steve Jobs, it would be another OS but not multi tasking enabled MacOS (of course, I know copland is way more than that).
Perhaps they gambled with NeXT just to get Steve Jobs but it doesn't really change that NeXT is such a amazingly future ready and multi platform by nature OS that Apple has to do childish tricks to prevent it from running on anything not Apple. If Bill Joy wasn't a billionaire and he didn't have to act like politician, he would sure have some comments about openstep and how Apple had to conspire it for future.
If I had a huge Solaris/Server installation, I would switch to RHEL right after Oracle buyout and no actual defense coming from Oracle regarding theories of Sun Hardware, Solaris, Java, all going to be cancelled.
End users like me ended up saying "Are you crazy? Would they ever do such mistake?" on behalf of them on slashdot.
Now, I am not sure since there is absolutely no reason for Oracle/Sun not to ship "Oracle Java for OS X" having latest features for _all_ OS X out there, not just only latest OS X on latest Apple CPU. I thought after they stabilize, they would do favors like that and yet they left it to Apple with limited resources and concentration/focus these days.
Also Solaris. Why can't Apple sell enough XServe? Because it is a closed platform just like Sun hardware. Each time Solaris managed to run perfectly on generic X86 and IT managers could install it, it added to Solaris sales since it can actually run on generic X86 hardware no matter what happens to Sun hardware. Solaris X86 free version was a real sales and image booster for Sun. Of course they would select RHEL because RHEL can even run on a cheap AMD box with 512MB RAM, one way or another.
Well, Sun is kind of a company who manages to have their own language/framework on billion devices (J2ME) and still manages to lose money and prestige over it.
Every phone, almost every cell phone you see has a working J2ME and companies who can actually code does create miracles on it. Just imagine what if MS wasn't that blind and managed to get a compact .NET on that number of devices.
Or forget devices, look at CNET Download.com top downloads which is more amazing:
http://download.cnet.com/mac/most-popular/3101-20_4-0.html?tag=rb_content;contentNav
It includes Limewire which is pure Java and it runs on one of the most hostile Java environments (both OS and userbase).
I can't understand how they CAN'T make money over it. I can't understand the patience of Java developers either... You make top of a general download sites top 10 list and you don't even get mentioned by the language vendor. They had a joke like portal (java.com) and it bugged some people at that sick company to convert it to a pure "download" page.
I mean Java is at a state where MS and Apple (with their culture) can't even dream of and they still manage to get acted like step child with weird rumors going on. I wonder if they have donated/sponsored a CENT to Limewire and Vuze, reason of 90% of Java desktop installations. If there was such a popular .NET open source application, MS would even assign some anonymous coders to that project.
"scientist of a company that had the ball but dropped it due to to failing to grasp the dynamics of the very market they once reigned "
He is well aware of those mistakes, if you have read the scoop of the article. Also he tips that Microsoft could be going the same way if it keeps insanely trying failed attempts not learning from their mistakes. Sun failed because they weren't quick to make Solaris open and free, they still fail in hands of Oracle who kinda cancelled Solaris-X86.
Remember a company who dragged their entire OS to Trash, emptied it and restarted with a fresh and open source OS instead of trying to "fix" it? It is no wonder that they are being given as example several times in that interview. He says who doesn't have courage to do it are doomed to fail just like Sun.
...and Steve Jobs is the guy who could sell that guy an iPad and iPhone.
"Joy: I'm enjoying using my iPad. "
You know, people say "So what if Apple doesn't allow this, allow that? Just don't buy it.", the people leading the industry are buying it and they think a closed environment, the most closed environment since ENIAC (!) is a good thing. Bill Joy isn't some average rich billionaire either, he has his own way of thinking and expressing his views down to get blamed to be "anti technology" guy. Steve Jobs can sell iPad to that guy, be afraid really...
Symbian devices and J2ME devices have a huge set of queries built in, you just query screen size, available API, device chars and output based on it. Obviously, a company like Gameloft does have simulation/emulation setups but it doesn't change the fact that it is actually the same executable. They even implement kind of DRM on top of executable against piracy.
5800 does count and in fact, besides being touch screen (which I hate), it is a real powerful device especially with extras like accelerated J2ME. It has a huge developer support behind it.
BTW, 26 million is just quarter, 3 months period. Sorry for confusing it with half year.
You know the real interesting thing which is fortunate for some companies is: People ignoring numbers like 24 million, in first 6 months of 2010. That is Symbian, supposed to be "fragmented" while single sisx file installs to almost anything.
You know what could drive all of them to real panic? If Nokia gets the neat idea of shipping a fully supported (and of course, working) Qt SDK for Android.
While on it, a device very similar to Android sold 19 million too... Blackberry... If you add them, it makes 43 million devices. That is the market a developer misses when he/she listens to these idiot blogs.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/11548_More_stats_in_Symbian_sales_wa.php