Perfume companies and some real big MS puppets who can't even function if Windows stopped working tomorrow. That is the best you got? And is that some template in some PR company we have to read even single fscking time.NET is critised?
They use.NET since if MS goes real mad at them, they can render millions of dell laptops useless tomorrow with a wrong windows update. All they would have to say is "ooops". Dell uses Windows only framework while their 99% of end user products runs Windows only... What a damn big surprise!
Lets make a similar list for open technologies/multi platform technologies like Java and PHP, would slashdot even allow such a gigantic post?
Well, as owner of 5 Macs at home and a person who can't think anything rather than *BSD or XServe for servers, I respect MS and their inventions.
In fact, even the entire Windows OS line (including Win95) has my respect to bring GUI OS to common people, including poor people.
Issue is, MS doesn't evolve like Big Blue of 1990s, they try to act and they are a very bad actor. They also work with some really disgusting people who have no kind of personality and despised universally. If you mix the both, it is the perfect open source PR disaster.
For example, if they shipped.NET as a open source product to multiple, insanely multiple platforms with _equal_ functions and some really court valid guarantee that it will stay that way, they would become _the standard_ in GUI applications today.
What did they do instead? What is the state of that clone today? Who did they pick as the lead/poster child of that clone? Which company who lost all the respect from IT World long time ago appears to be back at that clone? Can you mess things up even further?
MS_dotnet_35sp1.dmg for OS X, that was the first step should be taken to make.NET credible. Not Mono_alpha_beta_junk.dmg (even if it exists).
There are several successful open source windows code at sourceforge and as far as I have seen, the "trendy" types or the people hating SF for some other reason moved to Google code and github.
MS fails again since they try to re-invent a working thing with very shadowy, untrusted and despised people at lead. I know several _windows_ developers who won't touch anything with some people at Codeplex mentioned.
On the other hand, some people at MS are clever so they advertise at SF site, including mailing list signatures which -they could- pick better profiles rather than UNIX only apps:)
PS: IMHO if there was a mirror of launchd and several stuff at macosforge.org at sourceforge, they could have get more popular in other OS'es communities and would have eventually end up in some Linux distro etc. Why do you think companies keep posting youtube videos while they already host them? The site became de-facto standard, that is the reason.
If you buy all those packages (besides pirating) at the virustotal.com, it will cost far less than $6000 which a Rolex costs.
That mob leader wears Rolex watch you know, it is not like he won't be able to buy dozens of antivirus, virtual machine solution.
The days of "hacking for a bottle of Vodka" is really over, if ever existed.
Virustotal should be a security organization's free service with costs shared by AV vendors rather than being a "underground" (???) service. It does nothing rather than doing a real life check of current antiviruses. If I was a AV vendor who trusts their solution, I would even donate a blade to them. Being the only vendor finding a virus in suspected file can't be more decision making than anything including 1000s of white papers.
PS: If a black hat trusts to that file scanner, he is more than dumb since the virustotal or any offline file checker (including clam or stuff OS X users keep buying) doesn't have heuristics which can be only performed on a up and running windows OS.
What if the Ginkgo really works in a mysterious way which the current technology/analysis can't figure out, e.g. a very complex side effect and these scientists have actually breaks treatment of some clever patients who are wise to keep in "tested chemical drugs" but add Ginkgo to their treatment, consulting their doctor first?
As I see some real robbery scheme (overpriced natural pills) being in action globally, we can also argue about the mysterious ways of gigantic "real pill" companies. Why the heck I have to read "miracles" of Aspirin every day? Especially if I have a potentially bad stomach and Aspirin, in very unfortunate conditions can kill me in matter of hours? When will these "doctors" talk about it and debunk those billion dollar company backed claims?
What to do if you read Ginkgo doesn't work, Aspirin or some more advanced pill does miracles? Just keep ignoring it, it is your doctor's business, not you.
I can just tell these scientists that nobody died because of ginkgo tea. Can they claim the same for OTC pills? For example, what does unneeded amounts of Vitamin A does? What happens if you give "aspirin"just in case to a unlucky guy who lives alone, uses alcohol, sleeps alone and he takes it with empty stomach who just happens to have ulcer risk?
There is some huge R&D required to do an internal antenna which will function exactly or better than external antenna, especially in high (900+Mhz) frequencies.
One AC replied to another Apple apologist even points to the URL of the patent below. Gotta browse Apple mentioned stories at -1 you know, for known reasons.
BTW, I am almost banned from Nokia websites, I use 4-5 Macs regularly but it doesn't change the fact that Apple really does a big mistake if they trust to their PR department on this issue. Judges are never impressed by how "cool" you are, they look at the facts.
I can tell you one patent Apple uses without even turning on iPhone. iPhone has no visible antenna right? Guess who shipped such device first and spent some years to convince people that the external antenna isn't really better than the internal one?
Unless crime gangs all went to some course learning to code massively multi platform, the "issue" will basically put some.exe file to users computer and run it. It won't be some amazingly universal binary which runs on ARM/x86/PPC/MIPS and dozen of different operating systems.
I understand your sarcasm and it is really alerting that there are like 10% of market who believes their platform is something like NSA Terminals we see at movies but Flash exploit isn't the one which the real doomsday for OS X will come. It will be a real, working, specific designed worm/virus/whatever which will actually send itself to others. The next day, newspaper you read won't be on your doorstep as the multi xeon/quark/indesign workstation wasn't running a security solution or firewall since "it is OS X".
Of course, what does Mac AV companies code, what the hell they really check, what about unknown threats is another issue.
Even if Adobe rolls over and dies tomorrow, the Flash is so needed that some major.edus may give huge help to Gnash project to make it actually replace Flash, at least to the point until V10. It would be some service to the web and even World economy.
I can't imagine the price required to replace Flash on entire web including old sites and multi billion dollar occasional games industry which is dominated by Flash thanks to stupid Sun.
Besides people dreaming H264/AAC getting open, is the Flash open enough for an army of developers to replace it with Gnash? That is the real question. Not the "codecs" part, the actual protocol/file specs, everything minus the codecs.
How long will it take for them to move to Real Networks model? See, Helix is open, minus the codecs. Anyone can contribute and it works, millions of desktops, mobile handsets.
Well, what I say is, VP3 is a freaking outdated piece of junk abandoned and got donated to open source community.
If Google has balls to donate the real deal (VP7,8) or even IF it is possible, things may change. Why IBM , big blue with army of lawyers couldn't open OS/2? Why some abandonware can't open their source but gives away free license instead? Why some can't? Because it is how such huge things work. All parties, including the companies, TV stations, TV industry organisations must agree that they will throw away billions of dollars worth know-how and formulas, methods just to make 1% or less happy.
Industry spent billions for H264 and they want their money back somehow. That is the idea. Do you really think some people, especially at.CN will really care about the intentions of opening the codec? They use open source freely and fail to credit/ship modifications even while that is the only thing open source folks want.
Let me say, as a TV professional, I know another TV who spent millions in infrasacture and software/servers to offer Windows Media DRM based paytv/prime content even while the entire scene, including their rivals called the idea "stupid" and they better stick with standards.
Today, their webmaster stares to 40% of hits coming from Apple OS X and iPhone OS X based clients while they have nothing to serve to them. The reason? MS took their toys and went home, they stopped maintaining Windows Media Player for OS X right after Intel switch which should make things a LOT easier (use same SSE optimisations, no endian issue etc).
If they sticked with MPEG standards, even under Windows, the possibilities were endless. iPhone client, OMA DRM MP4 (just like BBC), Flash (just pack the container).
Does MS talk about the amazing instability, performance and security issues if one Mac Intel user using a modern OS X installs their outdated Windows Media Player to their system? No? They even enjoy it is being one of the top 100 OS X downloads. Each unstable mac/os x is a "good thing" for some sick minds out there.
I would go with Applet based stuff rather than switching to a plugin from that company. The reason behind their backwardness on Symbian is very interesting since they promised Nokia a WORKING silverlight and Nokia agreed to them. It would be really funny if Nokia sued them for not delivering their promises right?
PS: Adobe didn't only continue to maintain their Flash plugin, they also accelerated it by enabling SMP/multi processing as low as dual G4 macs. That is how a professional company who is interested just in reach of marketshare and respect operates. For lots of people out there, MS is some pathetic company who can't even compile things for PowerPC, a 32/64bit CPU. While PowerPC is dead at Apple factories, it also means their code is tied to X86 and X86 only enhancements which is very alerting as embedded market recently exploded. Try to find X86 and SSE instructions on iPhone ARM:)
Unless you drug the IT departments of major media sites to go back to 1990s while H264 exists and H265 is being mentioned, HTML5 can't replace Flash.
It is the codec, the stupid fanaticism about "open codecs" to a degree of inviting Apple to jump to VP3 while they spent billions for H264 and the damn MP4 is being lite version of their OWN container, Mov.
For terabyte/petabyte sized media outlets, changing the codec means millions of real World money, not some "everything should be open" dreamer's money. In real World media, you even keep U-Matic players from 1970s maintained since in one occasion, you may need that archive tape from 1970s which haven't been digitized since it is part of your millions of hours archive which may be rarely (once a month) used.
HTML5 designers should really visit a major TV studio to see how things are really done, why you must do some insanely great progress to convince the people to switch, how TV and Video guys doesn't give a heck to "patent" problem as long as multiple vendors/documented standards/EBU etc. approvals exist.
As Silverlight's vendor was busy with feeding that once famous, now puppet idiot and his gang, their V2 dropped support for PowerPC macs which several people, including their market uses. No, PowerPC Macs didn't explode and reject to turn on when Apple announced Intel transition. They are in use by schools, people who keeps hardware which works, musicians (as 12" PB is still waiting for replacement), company terminals which does nothing than mailing and browsing.
In Silverlight V3, things getting even more complex as the Win32/64 Silverlight V3 has more features than OS X 32/64 one. Besides lack of real development tools on most popular Web designer tool (Mac, even in darkest days), now people will also need to be careful about the functions they use since some won't simply exist on Mac and possibly iPhone in future.
While mentioned, where is the iPhone/Symbian and even Windows Mobile support? None. In couple of months, Adobe&Nokia/Symbian Foundation starts rolling full Flash on portable devices. Windows Mobile "full flash" is already up and running on select handsets. Where is Silverlight for Win MO?
So, we will rely on MS, that same company and their sold out puppet's wannabe, lacking clones and replace Flash with it? The reason? Flash being more popular and coming to a point that everything having CPU will show our content?
Silverlight couldn't be rival to Flash. The issue is deep inside Microsoft, they are like 1980s IBM, they didn't convert themselves like Big Blue. They are all fine with 1990s "run windows or be second class citizen". Issue is, it doesn't work anymore. MSNBC shows only Silverlight? I go to CNN and use GPU/SMP accelerated Flash video. It would be MSNBC's loss, not mine.
Besides couple of security issues which are only fixed by disabling javascript in Adobe Reader EXISTS today, scheduled to be fixed in 15 days, here are 2 examples of the culture who actually develops/packages the OS X version.
First, this is what you will see in your system.log, whatever browser you use: [0x0-0x1f01f].com.operasoftware.Opera[157]: Debugger() was called
This is the current flash, released just weeks ago. This is a packaging issue which nobody than a complete newbie would do. They forgot the damn debugger symbol in final binary they ship to millions. I also heard if you are a unlucky developer who has XCode open at the time when you go to a site featuring Flash, that "call" may actually break your own application's tests or running "from there". Amazingly stupid eh? This has been reported to Adobe by many people, users like me, Developers getting hit, Browser vendors/developers (guess who users contact&blame when they see browser name?) and they keep that debug symbol, even ignoring the latest chance to get rid of it weeks ago.
Want to see more? Here is a bug reported for ages, years, since early OS X days. Disk permissions broken while installing Flash. This is some amazing thing which even Apple is constantly bugged about and one of the perfectly valid excuses of "permission repairer" people on OS X land. Of course, as Apple really secured the permission repair process meaning hundreds of thousands of files will be validated before "repair", it also means 20 mins of a insanely system loading process even on highest end machine. I actually had access to a opto xeon (8x xeon) machine with 16 GB of RAM and just fired up "repair permissions" just to see if it is effected by CPU/RAM specs. No, still 13 mins.
No need to paste 10s of lines mentioning very stupidly wrongly set permissions. Note that it is also Apple to blame a little, perhaps Adobe could care if they had a bug report coming from @apple.com having thousands of user feedback attached. If I know Apple enough, they must have reported it to Adobe several times since their bug reporter department even finds shareware vendors from web once they spot that their application causes the issue. So, chances are high that these pathetic idiots also ignores Apple Inc. themselves reporting issues, no matter how trivial they are.
So, Adobe needs to do debugger symbol, permissions cleanups or they must get rid of the idiots who forgets a debugger symbol in a final product used by millions and can continue living their lives as nothing happened.
PS: Intego, Symantec... Do you read these stories? MCafee, do you read your own white papers? Is the code which will check the swf files on the fly up and running? Or are you still developing sigs for imaginary threats and impossible to run Word macros? Don't blame people when they call you snake oil seller if it is the case.
Could it be "I am resigning before you can fire me" ?
I really don't think FSF/GNU and even large portion of Gnome users/developers aren't happy with what their once poster child has become. I started to check for mono dependencies in tools I install to OS X myself and as a Mac user, I am not really a "everything should be open" fanatic. I can't imagine what would actual Linux users and companies choosing Linux would think to be bound by some "promise" rather than something like gtk2 or linux itself.
While it manages to create a 450+ comment fight on Slashdot between open source users/developers (that is what MS wants), it also validates that rms is not some tinfoil hat fanatic and "open source" and "free" (as in speech) are in fact, can be really different terms.
It may have given some wake up call to anti GPL camp showing what they are actually serving to.
I respect to Cygwin guys, really and I really think they open a new chapter with each release.
When Nokia shipped PIPS, a portable "mini" POSIX for Symbian and open sourced it, I thought Nokia developers/labs have finally reached to the nirvana of fantasy development which would end up no where. When Nokia labs and several companies like Skype used it to do amazing things which are otherwise too hard,impossible on S60 to this date, I ate my words.
People really wonder why no such thing happens on Windows and where are these decent apps shipping on Linux/OS X thanks to Mono framework otherwise wouldn't ship at all. If a company doesn't make their tool available for OS X while it reached 10% of Desktop share in some areas, perhaps they don't have the vision or manpower to ship it. It could be the same deal for Linux too. Perhaps that company&developer doesn't have any reason for supporting Linux or OS X, maybe they are stupid but it doesn't really happen because of lack of tools/frameworks as they keep claiming. If they get enough reasons, they could use GTK/Qt/Cocoa and ship it. They wouldn't use some hack like thing.
You seem to be a developer and I want to ask a single question. You heard about GNU Step right? It is directly related to OpenStep/NeXTStep and the rule of thumb is, if you start coding with it, it is possible to release same exact thing to Linux/OS X. It is not a theory, there is a decent mail application which actually works, used by people.
So, tell me why wouldn't a developer use their GNUStep and ship same thing on both OS X and Linux/FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be cool?
You know the reason right? Cocoa is ages ahead of it, OS X gives some decent, professionally coded and maintained extra frameworks, supported by Apple (try filing a gnustep bug to apple) and actually works.
"it is coming", "it is shipped soon", "it wasn't needed for 99% of apps"... These are the things you will always hear at Mono camp. They claim some insane thing like, MS, would EVER let some "open source crap OS with open source crap framework" (wanna bet they don't call it internally?) beat their own native OS and framework. If you aren't naive or actually paid by MS, please read some IT history. This is not the first time MS uses that clown to divide open source scene.
In regards to POSIX, scene changed even in Symbian S60 platform which is said to be one of the weirdest OS'es to date. Thanks to Symbian PIPS and possibly Qt early Symbian betas, Skype finally shipped a native, C++ client for S60 devices.
It really looks like POSIX/Qt/Cocoa have reached some new high and some trolls are doing everything to make people confused/fight over it. I am not speaking about you, I am speaking about the gang of once GNU Hero ex MS rejects trollish trojan gang.
From real, pro developers I know... If they really really need to write something for Windows platform, they fire up a virtual machine, boot into windows and use platform's own de facto standard IDE which seems to be Visual Studio. If they are into "deep stuff", they basically run boot camp for a real windows.
I also fail to find one, single tool from pros or amateurs which is meaningful, doesn't replicate an established application which is available to OS X or Linux thanks to Mono.
My views would change for example, if MS used Mono Framework to ship Silverlight 2 on OS X. No, they started it from beginning and dropped PowerPC support while on it.
I can use unmodified sources to build KDE 4 "native" on OS X, tools actually works and I can even send bug reports to developers of complex apps. That is what I understand from multi platform development. Vuze/Azureus can run as unmodified too, it is a Java app. The "extra" stuff is in native binary yes but it would be stupid/needless show off to code a HD Video decoder in Java even if it would be possible.
Will the Silverlight 3 content work on Mono 2 plugin without ANY MODIFICATIONS? OK, it is Mono, open source guys won't like your DRM right? Tell me one more thing... Will Silverlight 3 content work on OS X without ANY MODIFICATIONS?
On the other hand, Flash 10 content will work exactly the same on 3 different desktop OS'es and soon (if not already for some), all mobile devices.
MS, you played your hand and lost it. Please, get rid of your puppets, start coding a EQUAL plugin for all Desktop and Mobile devices and ship it. I promise I will install and use it if you absolutely promise you won't break any kind of compatibility in the future no matter what happens.
It further divided the open source desktop effectively by infecting Gnome and even GNU Benchmark Linux, Debian with Mono and made open source nerds call each other names in discussions.
There are millions of Mono infected servers out there which the administrator/IT manager has forced to agree some complex agreement with MS. Otherwise, these people wouldn't even care if MS has existed or not.
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Perfume companies and some real big MS puppets who can't even function if Windows stopped working tomorrow. That is the best you got? And is that some template in some PR company we have to read even single fscking time .NET is critised?
They use .NET since if MS goes real mad at them, they can render millions of dell laptops useless tomorrow with a wrong windows update. All they would have to say is "ooops". Dell uses Windows only framework while their 99% of end user products runs Windows only... What a damn big surprise!
Lets make a similar list for open technologies/multi platform technologies like Java and PHP, would slashdot even allow such a gigantic post?
Well, as owner of 5 Macs at home and a person who can't think anything rather than *BSD or XServe for servers, I respect MS and their inventions.
In fact, even the entire Windows OS line (including Win95) has my respect to bring GUI OS to common people, including poor people.
Issue is, MS doesn't evolve like Big Blue of 1990s, they try to act and they are a very bad actor. They also work with some really disgusting people who have no kind of personality and despised universally. If you mix the both, it is the perfect open source PR disaster.
For example, if they shipped .NET as a open source product to multiple, insanely multiple platforms with _equal_ functions and some really court valid guarantee that it will stay that way, they would become _the standard_ in GUI applications today.
What did they do instead? What is the state of that clone today? Who did they pick as the lead/poster child of that clone? Which company who lost all the respect from IT World long time ago appears to be back at that clone? Can you mess things up even further?
MS_dotnet_35sp1.dmg for OS X, that was the first step should be taken to make .NET credible. Not Mono_alpha_beta_junk.dmg (even if it exists).
There are several successful open source windows code at sourceforge and as far as I have seen, the "trendy" types or the people hating SF for some other reason moved to Google code and github.
MS fails again since they try to re-invent a working thing with very shadowy, untrusted and despised people at lead. I know several _windows_ developers who won't touch anything with some people at Codeplex mentioned.
On the other hand, some people at MS are clever so they advertise at SF site, including mailing list signatures which -they could- pick better profiles rather than UNIX only apps :)
PS: IMHO if there was a mirror of launchd and several stuff at macosforge.org at sourceforge, they could have get more popular in other OS'es communities and would have eventually end up in some Linux distro etc. Why do you think companies keep posting youtube videos while they already host them? The site became de-facto standard, that is the reason.
If you buy all those packages (besides pirating) at the virustotal.com, it will cost far less than $6000 which a Rolex costs.
That mob leader wears Rolex watch you know, it is not like he won't be able to buy dozens of antivirus, virtual machine solution.
The days of "hacking for a bottle of Vodka" is really over, if ever existed.
Virustotal should be a security organization's free service with costs shared by AV vendors rather than being a "underground" (???) service. It does nothing rather than doing a real life check of current antiviruses. If I was a AV vendor who trusts their solution, I would even donate a blade to them. Being the only vendor finding a virus in suspected file can't be more decision making than anything including 1000s of white papers.
PS: If a black hat trusts to that file scanner, he is more than dumb since the virustotal or any offline file checker (including clam or stuff OS X users keep buying) doesn't have heuristics which can be only performed on a up and running windows OS.
What if the Ginkgo really works in a mysterious way which the current technology/analysis can't figure out, e.g. a very complex side effect and these scientists have actually breaks treatment of some clever patients who are wise to keep in "tested chemical drugs" but add Ginkgo to their treatment, consulting their doctor first?
As I see some real robbery scheme (overpriced natural pills) being in action globally, we can also argue about the mysterious ways of gigantic "real pill" companies. Why the heck I have to read "miracles" of Aspirin every day? Especially if I have a potentially bad stomach and Aspirin, in very unfortunate conditions can kill me in matter of hours? When will these "doctors" talk about it and debunk those billion dollar company backed claims?
What to do if you read Ginkgo doesn't work, Aspirin or some more advanced pill does miracles? Just keep ignoring it, it is your doctor's business, not you.
I can just tell these scientists that nobody died because of ginkgo tea. Can they claim the same for OTC pills? For example, what does unneeded amounts of Vitamin A does? What happens if you give "aspirin"just in case to a unlucky guy who lives alone, uses alcohol, sleeps alone and he takes it with empty stomach who just happens to have ulcer risk?
There is some huge R&D required to do an internal antenna which will function exactly or better than external antenna, especially in high (900+Mhz) frequencies.
One AC replied to another Apple apologist even points to the URL of the patent below. Gotta browse Apple mentioned stories at -1 you know, for known reasons.
BTW, I am almost banned from Nokia websites, I use 4-5 Macs regularly but it doesn't change the fact that Apple really does a big mistake if they trust to their PR department on this issue. Judges are never impressed by how "cool" you are, they look at the facts.
Did you hear the names of IBM Mainframe OS utilties? Those are "light" things, which are supposed to be easy to use and remember.
Lets say, one is called "IEHPROGM"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_mainframe_utility_programs
Worse, they patented a *BSD classic application's function.
Check http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/games/wtf/
Yes, it is really the "wtf" command. They really need some heads up from BSD guys.
There is actually a command named "wtf" in my system (via fink) that does exactly the thing you/IBM mentions. Even with "over the net" update.
http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/games/wtf/
While it is tagged as "game", it is really useful especially if you are in a ssh session and someone used a weird acronym.
If it is a co incidence that this story has "wtf" icon, it is really amazing :) The command really does exactly what IBM says.
I can tell you one patent Apple uses without even turning on iPhone. iPhone has no visible antenna right? Guess who shipped such device first and spent some years to convince people that the external antenna isn't really better than the internal one?
Unless crime gangs all went to some course learning to code massively multi platform, the "issue" will basically put some .exe file to users computer and run it. It won't be some amazingly universal binary which runs on ARM/x86/PPC/MIPS and dozen of different operating systems.
I understand your sarcasm and it is really alerting that there are like 10% of market who believes their platform is something like NSA Terminals we see at movies but Flash exploit isn't the one which the real doomsday for OS X will come. It will be a real, working, specific designed worm/virus/whatever which will actually send itself to others. The next day, newspaper you read won't be on your doorstep as the multi xeon/quark/indesign workstation wasn't running a security solution or firewall since "it is OS X".
Of course, what does Mac AV companies code, what the hell they really check, what about unknown threats is another issue.
Even if Adobe rolls over and dies tomorrow, the Flash is so needed that some major .edus may give huge help to Gnash project to make it actually replace Flash, at least to the point until V10. It would be some service to the web and even World economy.
I can't imagine the price required to replace Flash on entire web including old sites and multi billion dollar occasional games industry which is dominated by Flash thanks to stupid Sun.
Besides people dreaming H264/AAC getting open, is the Flash open enough for an army of developers to replace it with Gnash? That is the real question. Not the "codecs" part, the actual protocol/file specs, everything minus the codecs.
How long will it take for them to move to Real Networks model? See, Helix is open, minus the codecs. Anyone can contribute and it works, millions of desktops, mobile handsets.
Well, what I say is, VP3 is a freaking outdated piece of junk abandoned and got donated to open source community.
If Google has balls to donate the real deal (VP7,8) or even IF it is possible, things may change. Why IBM , big blue with army of lawyers couldn't open OS/2? Why some abandonware can't open their source but gives away free license instead? Why some can't? Because it is how such huge things work. All parties, including the companies, TV stations, TV industry organisations must agree that they will throw away billions of dollars worth know-how and formulas, methods just to make 1% or less happy.
Industry spent billions for H264 and they want their money back somehow. That is the idea. Do you really think some people, especially at .CN will really care about the intentions of opening the codec? They use open source freely and fail to credit/ship modifications even while that is the only thing open source folks want.
Let me say, as a TV professional, I know another TV who spent millions in infrasacture and software/servers to offer Windows Media DRM based paytv/prime content even while the entire scene, including their rivals called the idea "stupid" and they better stick with standards.
Today, their webmaster stares to 40% of hits coming from Apple OS X and iPhone OS X based clients while they have nothing to serve to them. The reason? MS took their toys and went home, they stopped maintaining Windows Media Player for OS X right after Intel switch which should make things a LOT easier (use same SSE optimisations, no endian issue etc).
If they sticked with MPEG standards, even under Windows, the possibilities were endless. iPhone client, OMA DRM MP4 (just like BBC), Flash (just pack the container).
Does MS talk about the amazing instability, performance and security issues if one Mac Intel user using a modern OS X installs their outdated Windows Media Player to their system? No? They even enjoy it is being one of the top 100 OS X downloads. Each unstable mac/os x is a "good thing" for some sick minds out there.
I would go with Applet based stuff rather than switching to a plugin from that company. The reason behind their backwardness on Symbian is very interesting since they promised Nokia a WORKING silverlight and Nokia agreed to them. It would be really funny if Nokia sued them for not delivering their promises right?
PS: Adobe didn't only continue to maintain their Flash plugin, they also accelerated it by enabling SMP/multi processing as low as dual G4 macs. That is how a professional company who is interested just in reach of marketshare and respect operates. For lots of people out there, MS is some pathetic company who can't even compile things for PowerPC, a 32/64bit CPU. While PowerPC is dead at Apple factories, it also means their code is tied to X86 and X86 only enhancements which is very alerting as embedded market recently exploded. Try to find X86 and SSE instructions on iPhone ARM :)
Unless you drug the IT departments of major media sites to go back to 1990s while H264 exists and H265 is being mentioned, HTML5 can't replace Flash.
It is the codec, the stupid fanaticism about "open codecs" to a degree of inviting Apple to jump to VP3 while they spent billions for H264 and the damn MP4 is being lite version of their OWN container, Mov.
For terabyte/petabyte sized media outlets, changing the codec means millions of real World money, not some "everything should be open" dreamer's money. In real World media, you even keep U-Matic players from 1970s maintained since in one occasion, you may need that archive tape from 1970s which haven't been digitized since it is part of your millions of hours archive which may be rarely (once a month) used.
HTML5 designers should really visit a major TV studio to see how things are really done, why you must do some insanely great progress to convince the people to switch, how TV and Video guys doesn't give a heck to "patent" problem as long as multiple vendors/documented standards/EBU etc. approvals exist.
As Silverlight's vendor was busy with feeding that once famous, now puppet idiot and his gang, their V2 dropped support for PowerPC macs which several people, including their market uses. No, PowerPC Macs didn't explode and reject to turn on when Apple announced Intel transition. They are in use by schools, people who keeps hardware which works, musicians (as 12" PB is still waiting for replacement), company terminals which does nothing than mailing and browsing.
In Silverlight V3, things getting even more complex as the Win32/64 Silverlight V3 has more features than OS X 32/64 one. Besides lack of real development tools on most popular Web designer tool (Mac, even in darkest days), now people will also need to be careful about the functions they use since some won't simply exist on Mac and possibly iPhone in future.
While mentioned, where is the iPhone/Symbian and even Windows Mobile support? None. In couple of months, Adobe&Nokia/Symbian Foundation starts rolling full Flash on portable devices. Windows Mobile "full flash" is already up and running on select handsets. Where is Silverlight for Win MO?
So, we will rely on MS, that same company and their sold out puppet's wannabe, lacking clones and replace Flash with it? The reason? Flash being more popular and coming to a point that everything having CPU will show our content?
Silverlight couldn't be rival to Flash. The issue is deep inside Microsoft, they are like 1980s IBM, they didn't convert themselves like Big Blue. They are all fine with 1990s "run windows or be second class citizen". Issue is, it doesn't work anymore. MSNBC shows only Silverlight? I go to CNN and use GPU/SMP accelerated Flash video. It would be MSNBC's loss, not mine.
Besides couple of security issues which are only fixed by disabling javascript in Adobe Reader EXISTS today, scheduled to be fixed in 15 days, here are 2 examples of the culture who actually develops/packages the OS X version.
First, this is what you will see in your system.log, whatever browser you use:
[0x0-0x1f01f].com.operasoftware.Opera[157]: Debugger() was called
This is the current flash, released just weeks ago. This is a packaging issue which nobody than a complete newbie would do. They forgot the damn debugger symbol in final binary they ship to millions. I also heard if you are a unlucky developer who has XCode open at the time when you go to a site featuring Flash, that "call" may actually break your own application's tests or running "from there". Amazingly stupid eh? This has been reported to Adobe by many people, users like me, Developers getting hit, Browser vendors/developers (guess who users contact&blame when they see browser name?) and they keep that debug symbol, even ignoring the latest chance to get rid of it weeks ago.
Want to see more? Here is a bug reported for ages, years, since early OS X days. Disk permissions broken while installing Flash. This is some amazing thing which even Apple is constantly bugged about and one of the perfectly valid excuses of "permission repairer" people on OS X land. Of course, as Apple really secured the permission repair process meaning hundreds of thousands of files will be validated before "repair", it also means 20 mins of a insanely system loading process even on highest end machine. I actually had access to a opto xeon (8x xeon) machine with 16 GB of RAM and just fired up "repair permissions" just to see if it is effected by CPU/RAM specs. No, still 13 mins.
No need to paste 10s of lines mentioning very stupidly wrongly set permissions. Note that it is also Apple to blame a little, perhaps Adobe could care if they had a bug report coming from @apple.com having thousands of user feedback attached. If I know Apple enough, they must have reported it to Adobe several times since their bug reporter department even finds shareware vendors from web once they spot that their application causes the issue. So, chances are high that these pathetic idiots also ignores Apple Inc. themselves reporting issues, no matter how trivial they are.
So, Adobe needs to do debugger symbol, permissions cleanups or they must get rid of the idiots who forgets a debugger symbol in a final product used by millions and can continue living their lives as nothing happened.
PS: Intego, Symantec... Do you read these stories? MCafee, do you read your own white papers? Is the code which will check the swf files on the fly up and running? Or are you still developing sigs for imaginary threats and impossible to run Word macros? Don't blame people when they call you snake oil seller if it is the case.
Could it be "I am resigning before you can fire me" ?
I really don't think FSF/GNU and even large portion of Gnome users/developers aren't happy with what their once poster child has become. I started to check for mono dependencies in tools I install to OS X myself and as a Mac user, I am not really a "everything should be open" fanatic. I can't imagine what would actual Linux users and companies choosing Linux would think to be bound by some "promise" rather than something like gtk2 or linux itself.
While it manages to create a 450+ comment fight on Slashdot between open source users/developers (that is what MS wants), it also validates that rms is not some tinfoil hat fanatic and "open source" and "free" (as in speech) are in fact, can be really different terms.
It may have given some wake up call to anti GPL camp showing what they are actually serving to.
That is some big IMHO btw.
I respect to Cygwin guys, really and I really think they open a new chapter with each release.
When Nokia shipped PIPS, a portable "mini" POSIX for Symbian and open sourced it, I thought Nokia developers/labs have finally reached to the nirvana of fantasy development which would end up no where. When Nokia labs and several companies like Skype used it to do amazing things which are otherwise too hard,impossible on S60 to this date, I ate my words.
People really wonder why no such thing happens on Windows and where are these decent apps shipping on Linux/OS X thanks to Mono framework otherwise wouldn't ship at all. If a company doesn't make their tool available for OS X while it reached 10% of Desktop share in some areas, perhaps they don't have the vision or manpower to ship it. It could be the same deal for Linux too. Perhaps that company&developer doesn't have any reason for supporting Linux or OS X, maybe they are stupid but it doesn't really happen because of lack of tools/frameworks as they keep claiming. If they get enough reasons, they could use GTK/Qt/Cocoa and ship it. They wouldn't use some hack like thing.
You seem to be a developer and I want to ask a single question. You heard about GNU Step right? It is directly related to OpenStep/NeXTStep and the rule of thumb is, if you start coding with it, it is possible to release same exact thing to Linux/OS X. It is not a theory, there is a decent mail application which actually works, used by people.
So, tell me why wouldn't a developer use their GNUStep and ship same thing on both OS X and Linux/FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be cool?
You know the reason right? Cocoa is ages ahead of it, OS X gives some decent, professionally coded and maintained extra frameworks, supported by Apple (try filing a gnustep bug to apple) and actually works.
"it is coming", "it is shipped soon", "it wasn't needed for 99% of apps"... These are the things you will always hear at Mono camp. They claim some insane thing like, MS, would EVER let some "open source crap OS with open source crap framework" (wanna bet they don't call it internally?) beat their own native OS and framework. If you aren't naive or actually paid by MS, please read some IT history. This is not the first time MS uses that clown to divide open source scene.
In regards to POSIX, scene changed even in Symbian S60 platform which is said to be one of the weirdest OS'es to date. Thanks to Symbian PIPS and possibly Qt early Symbian betas, Skype finally shipped a native, C++ client for S60 devices.
It really looks like POSIX/Qt/Cocoa have reached some new high and some trolls are doing everything to make people confused/fight over it. I am not speaking about you, I am speaking about the gang of once GNU Hero ex MS rejects trollish trojan gang.
From real, pro developers I know... If they really really need to write something for Windows platform, they fire up a virtual machine, boot into windows and use platform's own de facto standard IDE which seems to be Visual Studio. If they are into "deep stuff", they basically run boot camp for a real windows.
I also fail to find one, single tool from pros or amateurs which is meaningful, doesn't replicate an established application which is available to OS X or Linux thanks to Mono.
My views would change for example, if MS used Mono Framework to ship Silverlight 2 on OS X. No, they started it from beginning and dropped PowerPC support while on it.
I can use unmodified sources to build KDE 4 "native" on OS X, tools actually works and I can even send bug reports to developers of complex apps. That is what I understand from multi platform development. Vuze/Azureus can run as unmodified too, it is a Java app. The "extra" stuff is in native binary yes but it would be stupid/needless show off to code a HD Video decoder in Java even if it would be possible.
Will the Silverlight 3 content work on Mono 2 plugin without ANY MODIFICATIONS? OK, it is Mono, open source guys won't like your DRM right? Tell me one more thing... Will Silverlight 3 content work on OS X without ANY MODIFICATIONS?
On the other hand, Flash 10 content will work exactly the same on 3 different desktop OS'es and soon (if not already for some), all mobile devices.
MS, you played your hand and lost it. Please, get rid of your puppets, start coding a EQUAL plugin for all Desktop and Mobile devices and ship it. I promise I will install and use it if you absolutely promise you won't break any kind of compatibility in the future no matter what happens.
It further divided the open source desktop effectively by infecting Gnome and even GNU Benchmark Linux, Debian with Mono and made open source nerds call each other names in discussions.
There are millions of Mono infected servers out there which the administrator/IT manager has forced to agree some complex agreement with MS. Otherwise, these people wouldn't even care if MS has existed or not.