I hope you are karma whoring with such lame post which is guaranteed (somehow) to get "score".
Do you have a clue about the real web, the web companies/people really care about? Check table 3 at http://ir.comscore.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=366591 . You will see Yahoo is still around, at second place after Google with 146 freaking million unique visitors. Can you render that number in your brain? 146 million unique visitors on Yahoo properties and they open their main property to developers.
Do you think MS was joking when they tried to buy them for 44.6 billion dollars? Grow up really...
2 seperate video encodes may mean petabytes and a gigantic grid of video transcoding devices/farms in certain cases.
All for? Mr. Open Source doesn't like patented codecs even if they are documented and were designed by AV industry themselves. While companies decide whether to go VP7 or stick with H264, they invite them to use VP3! It is amazingly similar to that Linux/Open phone which had the genius idea of not including 3G in this age because it was patented.
Besides "slogan like" names, it is damn VP3 an old abandoned codec which had no future and clever PR guys gave it free to open source stopping them from actually inventing something. I am almost glad Cinepak guys didn't have that neat idea, we would end up watching Cinepak vs. H264 comparisons all over the place.
Google's purchase of On2 may cause the true revolution if they actually do the right thing of moving it to complete open source, support every kind of platform (including chips!) out there. VP3 on the other hand and especially transcoding from already compressed to vp3 is a joke which they should never come up with. It just served to Adobe and nothing else.
Will the mobile device vendors except Apple who is a complete genius to have a single line of model and a method of easily falling back of features ship "updated browser" to their line of 3 years of different devices? They never do.
Vendors like Opera, who makes their money with browsers on mobile can do such a huge task but in return, they would ask for money. Try to explain to Nokia execs that their "webkit" browser is a disgrace and worst possible way of using webkit framework on any OS/device and they should go back licensing Opera. I wonder how many minutes it will pass before security comes to escort you out of building:)
Those little games you talk about nears a billion dollar industry which actually saved Real Networks from going down the drain with Real Arcade.
Funny thing is trying to explain it to a slashdot poster as you do. They think poor content provider/game developer morons are sticking with Flash because they have no clue about "standard mpeg" or "svg".
BTW I know some PS3 owners who installed Linux/PS3+Gnash+IBM Java just to play those tiny Flash/Java games on big screen.
Let me tell the reason you get 80% CPU usage while doing a simple(!) thing as playing a 480P SD embedded file.
Apple didn't provide application/codec developers any way to access GPU features existing since 2004 as "hardware h264 decoding". They even couldn't access them themselves until Snow Leopard. In Snow Leopard, perhaps Flash player in current major version or minor update, separate tree will have 10% CPU usage but NOT the earlier OS X versions. Also if there is a XCode forced issue like "build for 10.6 or 10.5 but not for 10.4.11" like the one happened to VLC guys, they won't even touch it, it will be a seperate tree to download for snow leopard which will be a real support nightmare.
Of course, they could make video decoding with CPU way more lighter but it would add bulk to the plugin and some amazing amount of development time would be needed just because Apple developers were lazy to code driver h264 decoding interface.
Your GPU which is perfectly capable of decoding the H264 content without touching CPU stays idle and does just "2D acceleration" which is like 1% of its true power. It is not just Adobe to blame if we talk about video decoding/playback. In theory, Apple could ship 10.5 upgraded drivers and support Developers with hardware accelerated decoding right now. Why wouldn't they? Sell 10.6 and new hardware. That is what keeps OS X half of what it could be right now.
Believe or not, some execs at Nokia still believe one may upgrade his hardware to have a fixed/better feature.
The entire scheme of things in Symbian is to have current software/features and even beta experiments on latest generation of hardware (devices) regardless of which capabilities the older generation may have.
Basically, it means E71, the number 1 suprise hit of Nokia won't get the attention of N97/5800 which entire Nokia seems to focus on. They actually believe they can convince a E71 owner who is perfectly happy with his phone to buy a N97 to have "better software". Even Apple can't dare to do such thing, they still support first gen iPhones with current software!
For example, I got a E65 which is plain Symbian S60 V3 without "feature packs" (hw/sw mixed extensions such as FPU). It has horrible, I mean horrible issue as "app manager" (add/remove programs in winland) takes almost a min to appear. They won't fix it as there is "E66" in same series now. Nor I won't have "password saving" web browser.
Before I write more on this strange issue which people outside Symbian land may have problem understanding since it is a bit insane... If this "Flash open screen", the "desktop flash on mobile" only ships on Nokia 5800 and N97, it is Adobe's millions which were wasted and it is no way to race with iPhone in major scheme of things. It is not "Symbian", it is basically latest models of Nokia. There is no way they should dare to talk about 100M devices, it is cumulative amount of Symbian shipments.
I understand they wanted to stay with native OS functionality as long as possible, especially on Windows which they were critiqued for not shipping "native" stuff but we now see the result.
I think Webkit/Safari/Chrome must move to OpenSSL as quickly as possible.
This locate output should explain why I am really surprised by them not using openssl instead, like Opera does:/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/include/openssl
Apple knows OpenSSL and uses it all over the OS. I don't believe OS X can even boot/browse without it.
A company who would cancel such a basic service would cancel OpenID in no matter of time. As it is offered free, you wouldn't have anything to say against it.
I stick with Yahoo in OpenID department, not some "side project" which has "beta" written all over the place.
You shouldn't google for that at all. I know GNUPG and its support for OS X Mail. Can you claim it is easily installed, used like commercial PGP? Can you trust Apple to stick with a God damn stable plugin API and don't break it in each OS update? Can you imagine Freeware/open source authors/packagers have some juicy Apple developer accounts to see what is coming?
Growlmail plugin, a basic plugin which has nothing to do with security/privacy like PGP had to move to mach_inject method instead of mail plugin. Wonder why? I have a good guess, read above.
I would disagree on "Spyware" part. I saw developers on digg bragging stupidly about how they know who uses their software, when, their IPs etc. In my OS X focused way of thinking, it is spyware for me. Every OS has different levels for "pua" you know. On a Desktop, you wouldn't care too much about vendor having your mail for freeware but if vendor abuses some glitch and actually CALLS YOU, over your private phone line, that is some real big issue.
I agree to you on other issues, they are in fact doing false advertisement and abusing the term "open" just like rms was afraid of happening.
I think you are Palm PR guys dream, easily fooled with keywords like "open", "web", "linux" and not seeing the greater scheme of things.
Next time you have your hands on some iPod touch or iPhone, directly run "Settings", click "General", click "About", "legal". You will see the use of open source, open libraries and even things like Freetype doesn't necessarily mean it will be some kind of "freedom device".
They need to have same lesson which Nokia had with Cabir worm resulting in billions of dollars of brand value loss and users still getting robbed by AV vendors for non existent threat. Cabir was just a first warning and Nokia took it very serious and fast, coming up with their Symbian Signed initiative which has _nothing_ to do with apple app store.
Of course, I don't believe you can code such deep level running utility such as AV on an OS named "WebOS". So, malware will be there and protection won't. Palm shows every kind of example how you shouldn't try to race with Apple. They stupidly ignore what Nokia does and did to stay afloat.
SourceForge, the parent of slashdot should have this excellent "$50 to be listed on sf.net" idea. CmdrTaco would be a billionaire by now.
Yes, they tell open source, freeware app developers must pay $50 to get listed! Man, where were them when Download.com had that idiotic idea which resulted in massive loss of developers from all camps? It was changed later but the harm was done, it still effects the download.com even the newly purchased versiontracker which developers think they must pay to get listed.
ClickToFlash was an instant hit on Mac download sites when it shipped for Safari which has some user profile who doesn't care for such geek extension stuff.
I think browser vendors should use this as opportunity to make "click to run plugin" a standard. I wonder around with JVM applet disabled OS X Tiger because Apple refused to fix the latest security issue. If I had "click to run applet" built into Safari, it would be way more secure thing.
ps: I know near all other browsers have such capability but default OS browser really matters.
IMHO they shouldn't surrender. They should counter sue them to the point of those lawyers and company execs lose down to their underpants. That will really teach any "obvious patent troll" a lesson out there.
I don't see such stupid lawsuits to the extent of breaking how internet works in any other countries. I think some people out there really needs a lesson. Winning the court is easy in fact, just uninstall all plugins from Judge's laptop and tell him to browse that way as he would ordinarily do.
Number 1 rule to make sure something ships on Apple iPhone platform or even OS X is: Keep your mouth shut up about it. Especially if you do "workaround" kind of stuff. Look what they did to Google, Sun (ZFS).
This announcement will not serve anything rather than thousands of trolls and fanboys not knowing a single thing about "Flash lite" kind of things working perfectly on Symbian/Win MO talk how bad Flash is and how it will eat their battery.
They didn't understand the basic but secret reason about why a multimedia/app platform like Flash wasn't shipped with iPhone at first place. We, users have very good guesses.
If I sound paranoid, I ask you what happened to ZFS after Sun CEO blogged about it before SJobs was able to announce it with his genius PR. There are no traces of ZFS on Snow Leopard nor its server. It is amazing that $1 shareware app authors knows how to deal with Apple but multi billion Adobe which somehow owes its existence to Apple does such lame PR announcements.
Have fun with your "export to iPhone" menu option next year. Something tells me something will go wrong with the cunning plan.
Apple mail has built in PKCS7 support, I don't even care to mention pro apps like Outlook/Entoruage/Blacberry.
Where is PGP except that expensive commercial client which tries to do too much? If people used Thawte cert, they went for "easy and built in way", can you blame them? If PGP free version with that kind of compatibility, mail plugin was still alive and kicking, you could blame people for not sticking with PGP. All we see is some open source stuff not promising any kind of stability and support over there and there, that is what you get when you try to use PGP standard for free.
I have seen many Java signed opensource/freeware coming with that Thawte free mail certificate. I hope they won't be effected with it and if brain dead Sun offers some kind of special treatment to those, it won't be any matter.
Of course, it is Sun we talk about and even Oracle couldn't still change anything.
90% of reason Thawte brand was known among professional users was "Thawte free certificate" which was supported perfectly by mail clients. Thawte has no clue what kind of harm they did to brand value/recognition to save couple of CPU cycles and couple of gigabytes.
People thinking GNU PG or free PGP will be implemented by those: No, they will simply move to another way of pkcs signing their mails or buy commercial PGP.
While I only use Apple hardware and operating systems, I really agree to MS trolls when they say it would be a very different and bad shape of things if Apple had the 85% market share instead of Wintel.
They proved it right at the beginning of "app store" and such stories shouldn't surprise you. That "Apple" complained was different Apple than today. The "other Steve" factor is gone.
Both MS and Apple won't do it since it makes software retailers (dealers) obsolete. Not like they don't have bandwidth or technology to do it, Apple sells petabytes of content every week or so over the net.
In Apple case, they want their country distributors sell it, localized in some cases (like.TR) and with the real prices which translates 1$=1Euro. MS has a way more localized way of doing things, for them, Windows is released in a country when their distributor packs a local language DVD and puts on shelves.
Of course, I hate these old fashion things which only helps DVD plastic manufacturers as much as you do but it is not piracy or anything both are afraid from. In Apple's case, they could even release.ISO without DRM and they would trust their customer base who would still buy the legal one. That customer base is one thing MS can only dream about.
The ATRAC you used/listened was the first version. When Real Jukebox shipped with ATRAC3 support and I did some tests myself, I remember saying "omg Sony is _really_ stupid."
All they need was having the vision of Dolby and make sure it gets standardized in a mpeg spec. Additionally, they should have stayed low profile and neutral when completely open source, non profit projects implement it. Of course, that kind of vision and strategies was what made Fraunhaufer and Dolby the institutions/companies of today.
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I hope you are karma whoring with such lame post which is guaranteed (somehow) to get "score".
Do you have a clue about the real web, the web companies/people really care about? Check table 3 at http://ir.comscore.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=366591 . You will see Yahoo is still around, at second place after Google with 146 freaking million unique visitors. Can you render that number in your brain? 146 million unique visitors on Yahoo properties and they open their main property to developers.
Do you think MS was joking when they tried to buy them for 44.6 billion dollars? Grow up really...
Perhaps they use EBCDIC instead of ASCII. Damn IBM contracts from 1960s!
2 seperate video encodes may mean petabytes and a gigantic grid of video transcoding devices/farms in certain cases.
All for? Mr. Open Source doesn't like patented codecs even if they are documented and were designed by AV industry themselves. While companies decide whether to go VP7 or stick with H264, they invite them to use VP3! It is amazingly similar to that Linux/Open phone which had the genius idea of not including 3G in this age because it was patented.
Besides "slogan like" names, it is damn VP3 an old abandoned codec which had no future and clever PR guys gave it free to open source stopping them from actually inventing something. I am almost glad Cinepak guys didn't have that neat idea, we would end up watching Cinepak vs. H264 comparisons all over the place.
Google's purchase of On2 may cause the true revolution if they actually do the right thing of moving it to complete open source, support every kind of platform (including chips!) out there. VP3 on the other hand and especially transcoding from already compressed to vp3 is a joke which they should never come up with. It just served to Adobe and nothing else.
Will the mobile device vendors except Apple who is a complete genius to have a single line of model and a method of easily falling back of features ship "updated browser" to their line of 3 years of different devices? They never do.
Vendors like Opera, who makes their money with browsers on mobile can do such a huge task but in return, they would ask for money. Try to explain to Nokia execs that their "webkit" browser is a disgrace and worst possible way of using webkit framework on any OS/device and they should go back licensing Opera. I wonder how many minutes it will pass before security comes to escort you out of building :)
Those little games you talk about nears a billion dollar industry which actually saved Real Networks from going down the drain with Real Arcade.
Funny thing is trying to explain it to a slashdot poster as you do. They think poor content provider/game developer morons are sticking with Flash because they have no clue about "standard mpeg" or "svg".
BTW I know some PS3 owners who installed Linux/PS3+Gnash+IBM Java just to play those tiny Flash/Java games on big screen.
I bet all my powerpc macs saying it will be only possible with 10.6.x and not pre 10.6.
Only Snow Leopard offers the interface of doing that thing and of course, it won't stop people from blaming Adobe when it ships :)
Let me tell the reason you get 80% CPU usage while doing a simple(!) thing as playing a 480P SD embedded file.
Apple didn't provide application/codec developers any way to access GPU features existing since 2004 as "hardware h264 decoding". They even couldn't access them themselves until Snow Leopard. In Snow Leopard, perhaps Flash player in current major version or minor update, separate tree will have 10% CPU usage but NOT the earlier OS X versions. Also if there is a XCode forced issue like "build for 10.6 or 10.5 but not for 10.4.11" like the one happened to VLC guys, they won't even touch it, it will be a seperate tree to download for snow leopard which will be a real support nightmare.
Of course, they could make video decoding with CPU way more lighter but it would add bulk to the plugin and some amazing amount of development time would be needed just because Apple developers were lazy to code driver h264 decoding interface.
Your GPU which is perfectly capable of decoding the H264 content without touching CPU stays idle and does just "2D acceleration" which is like 1% of its true power. It is not just Adobe to blame if we talk about video decoding/playback. In theory, Apple could ship 10.5 upgraded drivers and support Developers with hardware accelerated decoding right now. Why wouldn't they? Sell 10.6 and new hardware. That is what keeps OS X half of what it could be right now.
Believe or not, some execs at Nokia still believe one may upgrade his hardware to have a fixed/better feature.
The entire scheme of things in Symbian is to have current software/features and even beta experiments on latest generation of hardware (devices) regardless of which capabilities the older generation may have.
Basically, it means E71, the number 1 suprise hit of Nokia won't get the attention of N97/5800 which entire Nokia seems to focus on. They actually believe they can convince a E71 owner who is perfectly happy with his phone to buy a N97 to have "better software". Even Apple can't dare to do such thing, they still support first gen iPhones with current software!
For example, I got a E65 which is plain Symbian S60 V3 without "feature packs" (hw/sw mixed extensions such as FPU). It has horrible, I mean horrible issue as "app manager" (add/remove programs in winland) takes almost a min to appear. They won't fix it as there is "E66" in same series now. Nor I won't have "password saving" web browser.
Before I write more on this strange issue which people outside Symbian land may have problem understanding since it is a bit insane... If this "Flash open screen", the "desktop flash on mobile" only ships on Nokia 5800 and N97, it is Adobe's millions which were wasted and it is no way to race with iPhone in major scheme of things. It is not "Symbian", it is basically latest models of Nokia. There is no way they should dare to talk about 100M devices, it is cumulative amount of Symbian shipments.
I was amazed when I saw current Flash player (10) could play "futuresplash" the original flash files all fine even with added hardware acceleration.
To have such backwards compatibility without adding bulk to a plugin which is in version 10 is the true secret why web designers love flash.
Here is the futuresplash demo from 1995 http://www.4dm.com/files/tech/blue.htm
I understand they wanted to stay with native OS functionality as long as possible, especially on Windows which they were critiqued for not shipping "native" stuff but we now see the result.
I think Webkit/Safari/Chrome must move to OpenSSL as quickly as possible.
This locate output should explain why I am really surprised by them not using openssl instead, like Opera does: /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/include/openssl
Apple knows OpenSSL and uses it all over the OS. I don't believe OS X can even boot/browse without it.
A company who would cancel such a basic service would cancel OpenID in no matter of time. As it is offered free, you wouldn't have anything to say against it.
I stick with Yahoo in OpenID department, not some "side project" which has "beta" written all over the place.
You shouldn't google for that at all. I know GNUPG and its support for OS X Mail. Can you claim it is easily installed, used like commercial PGP? Can you trust Apple to stick with a God damn stable plugin API and don't break it in each OS update? Can you imagine Freeware/open source authors/packagers have some juicy Apple developer accounts to see what is coming?
Growlmail plugin, a basic plugin which has nothing to do with security/privacy like PGP had to move to mach_inject method instead of mail plugin. Wonder why? I have a good guess, read above.
I would disagree on "Spyware" part. I saw developers on digg bragging stupidly about how they know who uses their software, when, their IPs etc. In my OS X focused way of thinking, it is spyware for me. Every OS has different levels for "pua" you know. On a Desktop, you wouldn't care too much about vendor having your mail for freeware but if vendor abuses some glitch and actually CALLS YOU, over your private phone line, that is some real big issue.
I agree to you on other issues, they are in fact doing false advertisement and abusing the term "open" just like rms was afraid of happening.
I think you are Palm PR guys dream, easily fooled with keywords like "open", "web", "linux" and not seeing the greater scheme of things.
Next time you have your hands on some iPod touch or iPhone, directly run "Settings", click "General", click "About", "legal". You will see the use of open source, open libraries and even things like Freetype doesn't necessarily mean it will be some kind of "freedom device".
They need to have same lesson which Nokia had with Cabir worm resulting in billions of dollars of brand value loss and users still getting robbed by AV vendors for non existent threat. Cabir was just a first warning and Nokia took it very serious and fast, coming up with their Symbian Signed initiative which has _nothing_ to do with apple app store.
Of course, I don't believe you can code such deep level running utility such as AV on an OS named "WebOS". So, malware will be there and protection won't. Palm shows every kind of example how you shouldn't try to race with Apple. They stupidly ignore what Nokia does and did to stay afloat.
This is what you do if you don't want to be Apple and yet have App Store: https://www.symbiansigned.com/ or a way more secure thing fits excellently to their "WebOS" http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wireless/library/wi-secj2me.html (code signing part)
SourceForge, the parent of slashdot should have this excellent "$50 to be listed on sf.net" idea. CmdrTaco would be a billionaire by now.
Yes, they tell open source, freeware app developers must pay $50 to get listed! Man, where were them when Download.com had that idiotic idea which resulted in massive loss of developers from all camps? It was changed later but the harm was done, it still effects the download.com even the newly purchased versiontracker which developers think they must pay to get listed.
ClickToFlash was an instant hit on Mac download sites when it shipped for Safari which has some user profile who doesn't care for such geek extension stuff.
I think browser vendors should use this as opportunity to make "click to run plugin" a standard. I wonder around with JVM applet disabled OS X Tiger because Apple refused to fix the latest security issue. If I had "click to run applet" built into Safari, it would be way more secure thing.
ps: I know near all other browsers have such capability but default OS browser really matters.
IMHO they shouldn't surrender. They should counter sue them to the point of those lawyers and company execs lose down to their underpants. That will really teach any "obvious patent troll" a lesson out there.
I don't see such stupid lawsuits to the extent of breaking how internet works in any other countries. I think some people out there really needs a lesson. Winning the court is easy in fact, just uninstall all plugins from Judge's laptop and tell him to browse that way as he would ordinarily do.
With such a massive lawsuit, they are risking the web, how web works, how people gather information, how decisions are made.
How does USA judicial system allow such a risk?
Number 1 rule to make sure something ships on Apple iPhone platform or even OS X is: Keep your mouth shut up about it. Especially if you do "workaround" kind of stuff. Look what they did to Google, Sun (ZFS).
This announcement will not serve anything rather than thousands of trolls and fanboys not knowing a single thing about "Flash lite" kind of things working perfectly on Symbian/Win MO talk how bad Flash is and how it will eat their battery.
They didn't understand the basic but secret reason about why a multimedia/app platform like Flash wasn't shipped with iPhone at first place. We, users have very good guesses.
If I sound paranoid, I ask you what happened to ZFS after Sun CEO blogged about it before SJobs was able to announce it with his genius PR. There are no traces of ZFS on Snow Leopard nor its server. It is amazing that $1 shareware app authors knows how to deal with Apple but multi billion Adobe which somehow owes its existence to Apple does such lame PR announcements.
Have fun with your "export to iPhone" menu option next year. Something tells me something will go wrong with the cunning plan.
Apple mail has built in PKCS7 support, I don't even care to mention pro apps like Outlook/Entoruage/Blacberry.
Where is PGP except that expensive commercial client which tries to do too much? If people used Thawte cert, they went for "easy and built in way", can you blame them? If PGP free version with that kind of compatibility, mail plugin was still alive and kicking, you could blame people for not sticking with PGP. All we see is some open source stuff not promising any kind of stability and support over there and there, that is what you get when you try to use PGP standard for free.
I have seen many Java signed opensource/freeware coming with that Thawte free mail certificate. I hope they won't be effected with it and if brain dead Sun offers some kind of special treatment to those, it won't be any matter.
Of course, it is Sun we talk about and even Oracle couldn't still change anything.
90% of reason Thawte brand was known among professional users was "Thawte free certificate" which was supported perfectly by mail clients. Thawte has no clue what kind of harm they did to brand value/recognition to save couple of CPU cycles and couple of gigabytes.
People thinking GNU PG or free PGP will be implemented by those: No, they will simply move to another way of pkcs signing their mails or buy commercial PGP.
While I only use Apple hardware and operating systems, I really agree to MS trolls when they say it would be a very different and bad shape of things if Apple had the 85% market share instead of Wintel.
They proved it right at the beginning of "app store" and such stories shouldn't surprise you. That "Apple" complained was different Apple than today. The "other Steve" factor is gone.
Both MS and Apple won't do it since it makes software retailers (dealers) obsolete. Not like they don't have bandwidth or technology to do it, Apple sells petabytes of content every week or so over the net.
In Apple case, they want their country distributors sell it, localized in some cases (like .TR) and with the real prices which translates 1$=1Euro. MS has a way more localized way of doing things, for them, Windows is released in a country when their distributor packs a local language DVD and puts on shelves.
Of course, I hate these old fashion things which only helps DVD plastic manufacturers as much as you do but it is not piracy or anything both are afraid from. In Apple's case, they could even release .ISO without DRM and they would trust their customer base who would still buy the legal one. That customer base is one thing MS can only dream about.
The ATRAC you used/listened was the first version. When Real Jukebox shipped with ATRAC3 support and I did some tests myself, I remember saying "omg Sony is _really_ stupid."
All they need was having the vision of Dolby and make sure it gets standardized in a mpeg spec. Additionally, they should have stayed low profile and neutral when completely open source, non profit projects implement it. Of course, that kind of vision and strategies was what made Fraunhaufer and Dolby the institutions/companies of today.