LOL, this is the only "TV" I use..... The kids have it all to themselves, portioned out, regulated and monitored...same as with the games.. But I hear what your saying too...
I take it you're under thirty and no kids....
Try raising two today and re read your post...
Disposable income ? Free Time ??!! Are you kidding me ??
When I buy a game it's gotta be two or three copies in case
someone wants to play online with daddy....
and if mum wants in too, well...
Saturday night and you could find all three of us on the same six meg pipe
playing UT2004....but not for long...sleep is golden nowadays...
Anyone with a decent job gets home burnt out half the time after eight (9 ? 10 ?)
hours of work, then the hello daddy, the garbage, the lawn, the dishes the laundry the..the..the...there's always a shortage of time to spread between family members
and work and responsibilities...I haven't seen some friends for months....
Now if you're a D.I.N.K. (double income no kids) I see your point...
But I thought the point of this was do we let EA set a precedent with
forcing us to accept what amounts to spyware on our PC's....
Narrator: In A.D. 2006,'XCD' format was beginning. Management: What happen ? Tech: Somebody set up us the USB. Tech: We get signal. Management: What ! Tech: Main GUI turn on. Management: It's you !! Aladdin: How are you users !! Aladdin: All your dongles are belong to US. Aladdin: You are on the way to data loss. Management: What you say !! Aladdin: You have no chance. Make your format. Aladdin: Ha Ha Ha Ha..!.. Management: Take off every "Hack." Management: You know what you doing. Management: Write "crack". Tech: For great justice.
OK, I'm forty three, about time I stop Playing/Supporting games I guess... This is the final straw...Mandatory Spyware ? (FEATURE ALERT !!), Who would have thunk it.... I hope the Vista Developers team doesn't get any brilliant ideas from this.... How's about a Pepsi commercial while you're looking up word spellcheck ? Do they really think we'll buy into this ?
I really don't care if they're being drama queens about it... The US courts have nothing on a UK entity.. And maybe in doing so they will solicit more people into the fray... let the flood gates open, ready or not, learning can be a painful experience for anyone...
Meanwhile I just want to grab a chev and a few shotguns and find these guys... How we've let the ISP's and such let us believe that they are powerless to kill 99% of SPAM is beyond me. I say we track down the parasites and take them down ! (Metaphorically speaking that is...)
There are many reasons to be concerned about another nation joining the Nuclear club... Proliferation to other nations being the number one worry of course... But let's relax here a second...It's North Korea, not Iran right ? They're not going to threathen Isreal or another non muslim state right ? What are the US really worried about ? Like they'll use them to invade the South ? Really ? I don't think so.... "Wag the Dog" might have been good fiction, but sometimes the spin doctors really do outdo themselves and get us all riled up... I haven't heard the term "Sovereign Nation" in a long time, you know why ? Then you have to respect their rights to do whatever you've done, and maybe you're not so proud of those things...But I digress...North Korea has the bomb, Iran might within ten years (so relax about that). By then,/. will be a highly controlled and moderated thing of the past, on Internet2. Cheers !
Oh come on, the first reply was an obvious troll...
Pahleaze......anyone that complains about our Canadian freedoms is
either not here, not from here, or is just having a crappy day...
Criss qui me font chiers des fois !!
HAVE A GREAT WEEK END/. !
Sorry, being an atheist I must be mistaken about the "turning of the other cheek" and "loving thy neighbour" and "treating thy enemy as...anyways, enough said;-)
HUH, Whatever happened to christian charity ?
I'm not intent on writing flamebate here but really, I for one
am sick of people claiming religious morality and sitting on their hands.
Oh yeah, I'm an atheist too, but I seem to think that a seventy year
old in pain is worth a couple of bucks, and with our health care in canada, well,
I know it's just that much harder in the US if you fall ill...
Just my two cents. Peace out !
Again I say you still haven't pointed out any "facts" and everything you have said so far is barely hearsay...you want facts ? here you go... http://www.veva.bc.ca/faqs/general/index.htm I come here to Learn, inform and banter, not kick around old arguments... What's sad is that this is a very fast google search and reply...I've read and forgotten much more recent articles since...but this one will do just fine... Next thread already ! lol
Electric Car Facts
Types
There are different types of electric cars. All electric cars use an electric motor. Electric hybrids may also use an internal combustion engine or other means to store and convert energy. Energy may be stored in a car in gasoline, diesel, propane, natural gas, hydrogen, batteries, ultracapacitors, flywheels or compressed air. This energy is then recovered and converted to mecanical energy by an electric motor or combustion engine. Cars that use rechargeable batteries only do not emit pollution. Power generation for the grid is more efficient and produces less pollution than car engines. Electric cars come in all sizes and performance. Generally, lighter more aerodynamic cars perform better. Energy stored chemically is lighter than energy stored electrically.
Charging
Batteries can be used until they are dead just like gas tanks can be run empty. It is good to watch the gauge and refill them before this happens. Car batteries are recharged just like cell phone batteries. It typically takes overnight to charge a battery. They should not be charged faster than in 3 hours. However, they can be charged as fast as 20 minutes, but then they don't last as long and special charge stations are needed. Charging overnight can be done with any normal electric outlet. Charging in 3 hours requires a 220 Volt Dryer or Stove Plug. Most parking lots in colder climates have normal plug-ins. In Vancouver many private parking lots such as restaurants and parking garages may have plug ins. The infrastructure exists now, it needs to be identified and publicized. Batteries can be exchanged. In Nepal over 400 small electric buses exchange their batteries twice a day and operate continuously.
Range
The range of most electric cars is plenty for daily city needs so a second car is not needed, unless you travel long distances regularily. A hybrid electric car can go unlimited distances. According to Statistic Canada the average Canadian commutes 7.5 Km each way to work and over 10 million commute less than 50 Km / day. Delivery truck drivers average 200 Km in an eight hour day. The range of electric cars varies from 50 Km to over 200 Km. 100 Km is typical. Range is affected by weight, aerodynamics, rolling resistance, energy management driving habits and accessories. If a battery is run until almost dead, simply recharge it at the nearest electric outlet, which is usually any nearby house or building. There are more electric outlets in Vancouver than gas stations in the world
Performance
Electric cars can go very fast. The current record 1/4 mile drag race for electric cars is about 8.8 seconds and 230 KPH. Three cars nearing production have acceleration of 0 to 100 Kph in about 5-7 seconds (Similar to a Ferrari or Corvette) and 1/4 mile in about 16 seconds and 130 KPH. This is because electric motors have very high torque. Cars that are designed with the batteries low have excellent cornering.
Cost
The price of an EV is set by market factors not cost. For equivalent production volumes battery EVs should be cheaper because they have many fewer parts. This also means they are cheaper to maintain. Only the cost of battery replacement every 3-5 years is about $3000. They are less expensive to operate by a factor of ten over gasoline. Hybrids get about double the fuel efficiency of regular cars.
Size
EVs are equally as safe as similar sized cars. Due to the low energy density of batteries and significance of weight to range, many electric cars are small.
That was almost a troll post.
I could debate every point you made but what's the point ?
You obviously don't want to see thefacts as they are, you're information is dated.
So I'll make this my last post on this thread. It's here, it's ready, it hasn't been properly shown to the public because gas and oil is big business. End point.
The Best batteries were never put in, and their next generation replacements held back by the controlling partner, which in this case was GM (which used older and defective Delco models of batteries), and then Texaco/Exxon, that fact is NOT in question.
Argh...the POINT IS that if you buy out or supplant the technology needed to offer a car that could go 700+ miles to the charge, then you effectively kill it. Now with that new capacitor car coming out, maybe there's hope.
Unfortunatly people will buy what they're told or what they are shown...And if you mass market it, it becomes affordable to all...a lot like the two thousand CD burner of old. As far as "commodities"...I live in Canada, and hydro is cheap and pleantifull...water power rules !
I'll simply say I disagree with you on the "density" issue.
They only have release the technology that they have, which makes your
statement true. If they were to try and compete, the Electric car would be king.
That was the point the film and I were trying to make, as long as they can sell us
the oil and gas, they will make sure and keep whatever technologies beat it under wraps
and lobotomized. Just like when Intel said their 468 DX50 chips were defective. They weren't,
but if they had continued release we would have had 486's with DX4 200's and not the pentium 60's that came out instead. It's all market strategy at our expense. Buy it or do without it, but don't tell us what to sell you, "we" know best. Cheers
How long until they're bought out and run to ground ?
Last time we had a chance at EV cars, GM bought controlling
share of the batterie technology and used their Delco crap.
The higher performance batteries never really made it in the cars,
just a few got the first line issues. And when GM got out of the EV
business, they sold that controlling share to Texaco/Mobile, or was it exxon ?
They want us to go Hydrogen and Biodeiesel next. The Electric car won't
see the light of day until the Big Oil Profiteers get UberUber Mega Rich...
Sad that we let them supplant technology and lie to us...
Watch the film "Who killed the Electric car"...and the rest..
Cheers
How long until they're bought out and run to ground ?
Last time we had a chance at EV cars, GM bought controlling
share of the batterie technology and used their Delco crap.
The higher performance batteries never really made it in the cars,
just a few got the first line issues. And when GM got out of the EV
business, they sold that controlling share to Texaco/Mobile, or was it exxon ?
They want us to go Hydrogen and Biodeiesel next. The Electric car won't
see the light of day until the Big Oil Profiteers get UberUber Mega Rich...
Sad that we let them supplant technology and lie to us...
Watch the film "Who killed the Electric car"...and the rest..
Cheers
Dangerous ? LOL
I guess for the average user downloading anything could be deemed "Dangerous".
I've been using K-Lite since their second release and loving the fact that I no
longer had to install 12 codec files manually on every PC and keep them all updated...
I guess it depends what you need and what you run. I watch, edit and sometimes master some personal vidds...
After all these years and many many CD's and now DVD's, when a new ripp doesn't work
I just reach for the EDSKES update then hit Play on what is essentially an updated version of MediaPlayer2 (Classic). The point was about WMP. BSP and VLC are fine players as well.
But I'll just stick to my K-Lite and MPClassic, so do my users....and when they have a problem I hear about it really fast, so my sample group agrees with me. Cheers
Whatever happened to Using Ghost or Acronis to make an Image ?!
Re-install from scratch ? Why !? is it a new PC ?
I re-image my PC's once every Year, or whenever a Glitch takes more than
ten minutes to fix...why ? Acronis can restore my system drive (11 gigs)
in less than six minutes (High end PC).
It's Called MdiaPlayerClassic but it's not M$
And when it's installed with the K-Lite codec pack
it rocks ! I used to install codecs and force feed them to MediaPlayer2.
WMP ? Only if you just sat down and asked where the power switch is...
Humm, one of numerous services I disable during install here at work and at home...
Are you trying to tell me I'll have to hack it out of Vista ?
I will, just watch me do it too, all the FBI on Canadian soil won't be
able to stop me from going againts the unread EULA stating that if I defunk
the Security Center I'm a bad Luser...c'mon now...hype hype hype..
Let Micro$oft do what they want, and we'll answer that call with low retail numbers.
Cheers !
Unfortunatly, as I've already said, the people who want to know already do..
(You, many of my friends and colleagues and myself...)
You'll never get the world to turn on a dime and make it beleive that most
of what the "know" is false...the word scotomize comes to mind...
Galileo as well, but I'm going to refrain from talking about religion;-)
Have a great day nonetheless, and beware of parked pizza van down the street.
Cheers
Does it really matter anymore ?
The truth, and the lies.
The propaganda and manipulation before, during and after ?
WHoever may or may not be doing this has already succeeded.
The American people are more and more polarized everyday.
As long as I can have you arguing among yourselves about Christians, Moslems and Jews,
911, the Election and The "War on Terror (what a joke...like terrorism is new),
I have won. I will raise your taxes and lower your standard of living and you'll
be blaming the Terrorists, the Moslems and Gas prices...
It's a game people, and we are merely pawns...
Even if we knew the truth no one would want to hear it either way....
Go ahead and vote...and pray...and trust.
We all have our own ways...
PS (Just my opinion, not a troll)
Slashdot Mirror
LOL, this is the only "TV" I use.....
The kids have it all to themselves, portioned out,
regulated and monitored...same as with the games..
But I hear what your saying too...
I take it you're under thirty and no kids.... Try raising two today and re read your post... Disposable income ? Free Time ??!! Are you kidding me ?? When I buy a game it's gotta be two or three copies in case someone wants to play online with daddy.... and if mum wants in too, well... Saturday night and you could find all three of us on the same six meg pipe playing UT2004....but not for long...sleep is golden nowadays... Anyone with a decent job gets home burnt out half the time after eight (9 ? 10 ?) hours of work, then the hello daddy, the garbage, the lawn, the dishes the laundry the..the..the...there's always a shortage of time to spread between family members and work and responsibilities...I haven't seen some friends for months.... Now if you're a D.I.N.K. (double income no kids) I see your point... But I thought the point of this was do we let EA set a precedent with forcing us to accept what amounts to spyware on our PC's....
ALL YOUR DONGLES ARE BELONG TO US !
..!..
Narrator: In A.D. 2006,'XCD' format was beginning.
Management: What happen ?
Tech: Somebody set up us the USB.
Tech: We get signal.
Management: What !
Tech: Main GUI turn on.
Management: It's you !!
Aladdin: How are you users !!
Aladdin: All your dongles are belong to US.
Aladdin: You are on the way to data loss.
Management: What you say !!
Aladdin: You have no chance. Make your format.
Aladdin: Ha Ha Ha Ha
Management: Take off every "Hack."
Management: You know what you doing.
Management: Write "crack".
Tech: For great justice.
OK, I'm forty three, about time I stop Playing/Supporting games I guess...
This is the final straw...Mandatory Spyware ? (FEATURE ALERT !!),
Who would have thunk it....
I hope the Vista Developers team doesn't get any brilliant ideas from this....
How's about a Pepsi commercial while you're looking up word spellcheck ?
Do they really think we'll buy into this ?
'turn on, tune in, and drop out!'
I really don't care if they're being drama queens about it...
The US courts have nothing on a UK entity..
And maybe in doing so they will solicit more people into the fray...
let the flood gates open, ready or not, learning can be a painful experience for anyone...
Meanwhile I just want to grab a chev and a few shotguns and find these guys...
How we've let the ISP's and such let us believe that they are powerless
to kill 99% of SPAM is beyond me. I say we track down the parasites and take
them down ! (Metaphorically speaking that is...)
There are many reasons to be concerned about another nation joining the Nuclear club... /. will be a highly controlled and moderated thing of the past, on Internet2. Cheers !
Proliferation to other nations being the number one worry of course...
But let's relax here a second...It's North Korea, not Iran right ?
They're not going to threathen Isreal or another non muslim state right ?
What are the US really worried about ?
Like they'll use them to invade the South ? Really ? I don't think so....
"Wag the Dog" might have been good fiction, but sometimes
the spin doctors really do outdo themselves and get us all riled up...
I haven't heard the term "Sovereign Nation" in a long time, you know why ? Then you have to respect their rights to do whatever you've done, and maybe you're not so proud of those things...But I digress...North Korea has the bomb, Iran might within ten years (so relax about that). By then,
Oh come on, the first reply was an obvious troll... Pahleaze......anyone that complains about our Canadian freedoms is either not here, not from here, or is just having a crappy day... Criss qui me font chiers des fois !! HAVE A GREAT WEEK END /. !
Don't be so sure about that, there are a lot of North Americans here, sure... But beware the beaver ! Salut
Sorry, being an atheist I must be mistaken about the "turning of the other cheek" and "loving thy neighbour" and "treating thy enemy as...anyways, enough said ;-)
Thanx, after forty three years on the planet, your comment made my day ;-)
Cheers !
You forgot us in Canada Bud ;-)
We're always mentioned in "that" list when the US
speaks of healthcare...
Cheers !
HUH, Whatever happened to christian charity ? I'm not intent on writing flamebate here but really, I for one am sick of people claiming religious morality and sitting on their hands. Oh yeah, I'm an atheist too, but I seem to think that a seventy year old in pain is worth a couple of bucks, and with our health care in canada, well, I know it's just that much harder in the US if you fall ill... Just my two cents. Peace out !
Again I say you still haven't pointed out any "facts" and everything you have said so far is barely hearsay...you want facts ? here you go... http://www.veva.bc.ca/faqs/general/index.htm
I come here to Learn, inform and banter, not kick around old arguments...
What's sad is that this is a very fast google search and reply...I've read and
forgotten much more recent articles since...but this one will do just fine...
Next thread already ! lol
Electric Car Facts
Types
There are different types of electric cars. All electric cars use an electric motor. Electric hybrids may also use an internal combustion engine or other means to store and convert energy. Energy may be stored in a car in gasoline, diesel, propane, natural gas, hydrogen, batteries, ultracapacitors, flywheels or compressed air. This energy is then recovered and converted to mecanical energy by an electric motor or combustion engine. Cars that use rechargeable batteries only do not emit pollution. Power generation for the grid is more efficient and produces less pollution than car engines. Electric cars come in all sizes and performance. Generally, lighter more aerodynamic cars perform better. Energy stored chemically is lighter than energy stored electrically.
Charging
Batteries can be used until they are dead just like gas tanks can be run empty. It is good to watch the gauge and refill them before this happens. Car batteries are recharged just like cell phone batteries. It typically takes overnight to charge a battery. They should not be charged faster than in 3 hours. However, they can be charged as fast as 20 minutes, but then they don't last as long and special charge stations are needed. Charging overnight can be done with any normal electric outlet. Charging in 3 hours requires a 220 Volt Dryer or Stove Plug. Most parking lots in colder climates have normal plug-ins. In Vancouver many private parking lots such as restaurants and parking garages may have plug ins. The infrastructure exists now, it needs to be identified and publicized. Batteries can be exchanged. In Nepal over 400 small electric buses exchange their batteries twice a day and operate continuously.
Range
The range of most electric cars is plenty for daily city needs so a second car is not needed, unless you travel long distances regularily. A hybrid electric car can go unlimited distances. According to Statistic Canada the average Canadian commutes 7.5 Km each way to work and over 10 million commute less than 50 Km / day. Delivery truck drivers average 200 Km in an eight hour day. The range of electric cars varies from 50 Km to over 200 Km. 100 Km is typical. Range is affected by weight, aerodynamics, rolling resistance, energy management driving habits and accessories. If a battery is run until almost dead, simply recharge it at the nearest electric outlet, which is usually any nearby house or building. There are more electric outlets in Vancouver than gas stations in the world
Performance
Electric cars can go very fast. The current record 1/4 mile drag race for electric cars is about 8.8 seconds and 230 KPH. Three cars nearing production have acceleration of 0 to 100 Kph in about 5-7 seconds (Similar to a Ferrari or Corvette) and 1/4 mile in about 16 seconds and 130 KPH. This is because electric motors have very high torque. Cars that are designed with the batteries low have excellent cornering.
Cost
The price of an EV is set by market factors not cost. For equivalent production volumes battery EVs should be cheaper because they have many fewer parts. This also means they are cheaper to maintain. Only the cost of battery replacement every 3-5 years is about $3000. They are less expensive to operate by a factor of ten over gasoline. Hybrids get about double the fuel efficiency of regular cars.
Size
EVs are equally as safe as similar sized cars. Due to the low energy density of batteries and significance of weight to range, many electric cars are small.
That was almost a troll post. I could debate every point you made but what's the point ? You obviously don't want to see thefacts as they are, you're information is dated. So I'll make this my last post on this thread. It's here, it's ready, it hasn't been properly shown to the public because gas and oil is big business. End point.
The Best batteries were never put in, and their next generation replacements held back by the controlling partner, which in this case was GM (which used older and defective Delco models of batteries), and then Texaco/Exxon, that fact is NOT in question.
Argh...the POINT IS that if you buy out or supplant the technology needed to offer a car that could go 700+ miles to the charge, then you effectively kill it. Now with that new capacitor car coming out, maybe there's hope. Unfortunatly people will buy what they're told or what they are shown...And if you mass market it, it becomes affordable to all...a lot like the two thousand CD burner of old. As far as "commodities"...I live in Canada, and hydro is cheap and pleantifull...water power rules !
I'll simply say I disagree with you on the "density" issue. They only have release the technology that they have, which makes your statement true. If they were to try and compete, the Electric car would be king. That was the point the film and I were trying to make, as long as they can sell us the oil and gas, they will make sure and keep whatever technologies beat it under wraps and lobotomized. Just like when Intel said their 468 DX50 chips were defective. They weren't, but if they had continued release we would have had 486's with DX4 200's and not the pentium 60's that came out instead. It's all market strategy at our expense. Buy it or do without it, but don't tell us what to sell you, "we" know best. Cheers
How long until they're bought out and run to ground ? Last time we had a chance at EV cars, GM bought controlling share of the batterie technology and used their Delco crap. The higher performance batteries never really made it in the cars, just a few got the first line issues. And when GM got out of the EV business, they sold that controlling share to Texaco/Mobile, or was it exxon ? They want us to go Hydrogen and Biodeiesel next. The Electric car won't see the light of day until the Big Oil Profiteers get UberUber Mega Rich... Sad that we let them supplant technology and lie to us... Watch the film "Who killed the Electric car"...and the rest.. Cheers
How long until they're bought out and run to ground ? Last time we had a chance at EV cars, GM bought controlling share of the batterie technology and used their Delco crap. The higher performance batteries never really made it in the cars, just a few got the first line issues. And when GM got out of the EV business, they sold that controlling share to Texaco/Mobile, or was it exxon ? They want us to go Hydrogen and Biodeiesel next. The Electric car won't see the light of day until the Big Oil Profiteers get UberUber Mega Rich... Sad that we let them supplant technology and lie to us... Watch the film "Who killed the Electric car"...and the rest.. Cheers
Dangerous ? LOL I guess for the average user downloading anything could be deemed "Dangerous". I've been using K-Lite since their second release and loving the fact that I no longer had to install 12 codec files manually on every PC and keep them all updated... I guess it depends what you need and what you run. I watch, edit and sometimes master some personal vidds... After all these years and many many CD's and now DVD's, when a new ripp doesn't work I just reach for the EDSKES update then hit Play on what is essentially an updated version of MediaPlayer2 (Classic). The point was about WMP. BSP and VLC are fine players as well. But I'll just stick to my K-Lite and MPClassic, so do my users....and when they have a problem I hear about it really fast, so my sample group agrees with me. Cheers
Whatever happened to Using Ghost or Acronis to make an Image ?! Re-install from scratch ? Why !? is it a new PC ? I re-image my PC's once every Year, or whenever a Glitch takes more than ten minutes to fix...why ? Acronis can restore my system drive (11 gigs) in less than six minutes (High end PC).
It's Called MdiaPlayerClassic but it's not M$ And when it's installed with the K-Lite codec pack it rocks ! I used to install codecs and force feed them to MediaPlayer2. WMP ? Only if you just sat down and asked where the power switch is...
Humm, one of numerous services I disable during install here at work and at home... Are you trying to tell me I'll have to hack it out of Vista ? I will, just watch me do it too, all the FBI on Canadian soil won't be able to stop me from going againts the unread EULA stating that if I defunk the Security Center I'm a bad Luser...c'mon now...hype hype hype.. Let Micro$oft do what they want, and we'll answer that call with low retail numbers. Cheers !
Unfortunatly, as I've already said, the people who want to know already do.. (You, many of my friends and colleagues and myself...) You'll never get the world to turn on a dime and make it beleive that most of what the "know" is false...the word scotomize comes to mind... Galileo as well, but I'm going to refrain from talking about religion ;-)
Have a great day nonetheless, and beware of parked pizza van down the street.
Cheers
Does it really matter anymore ? The truth, and the lies. The propaganda and manipulation before, during and after ? WHoever may or may not be doing this has already succeeded. The American people are more and more polarized everyday. As long as I can have you arguing among yourselves about Christians, Moslems and Jews, 911, the Election and The "War on Terror (what a joke...like terrorism is new), I have won. I will raise your taxes and lower your standard of living and you'll be blaming the Terrorists, the Moslems and Gas prices... It's a game people, and we are merely pawns... Even if we knew the truth no one would want to hear it either way.... Go ahead and vote...and pray...and trust. We all have our own ways... PS (Just my opinion, not a troll)