"I was not aware that Holocaust denial was a crime in the US."
well i said it is a crime in Europe. Try it next time you are in the lands of civilization and reason.
West could never understand our mindset, that is why you are confused all the time. I am sure you do not even know why iranians call you as "satan america". And posibly you are not aware of the fact that Usa and Britain overhtrew elected Prime minister Mossadegh of Iran back in 1950s. And possbily you never will find a connection between illegal overthrowing of a prime minister and illegal take over of American embassy 50 years later.
Americans are the worst apologist of whole human history possibly. They have self claimed reasons for every mistake they do, every dictator they support (saddam, pinochet, suharto,colonels' junta etc ) or every country they invade (very long list), every innocent person they kill in Iraq. That is why i can understand why you are giving replies like "The US would have sold (or given away, if it came to that) chemical weapons to Satan himself if the Evil One promised to use them on Iran".
On the other hand, i agree with you that you should be able express your opinions as long as you do not kill anyone. We are just suspicious of purpose that is all.
i think everyone should make a difference between drawing cartoons of Moses depicted as terrorist and Ariel sharon as human butcher. One is a prophet other one is a living political figure who actually run wars. It is like saying that Tianenmen Square events happened because of Confuchious. That cherry picking of ideas is done by the west all the time to run their agendas on others.
yes Iran-Iraq war was not started by the West but they definetely have a hand in them. If you read side tracks of history you will see how western countries maximized their profits out of this war by escalating those conflicts. (Rumsfeld selling chemical weapons to Dictators like Saddam is a form of agression)
And i am sure you can not deny the fact that British imperial plans had alot to do with indo- pakistani relationships.
I do not think that West is the subject of sharia law at all (i myself dont want to be subject of sharia also) . That is a very stupid idea. But Why are we (orient) subject of western thoughts and so called democracies and capitalism? Did you ask us if we believe your ideas before imposing them on us, before declaring those ideas as the peaks of human thought and everyone should accept them?
As long as people are not killed because they believe in science , noone should be offended if muslims declare that science is decadent. I wonder what happens if one says that holocaust or armenian genocide has not happened in europe, i heard that they put you in jail. Not that i support such offense against jews or dear armenians , but talking, saying your ideas cannot be a reason to goto jail.
The fact is that the West wants to impose the idea that one westerner=10000 easterner. As long as that is the case, we cannot have understanding-communication-tolerance. We all are first human beings, your technical level of achievement means nothing as long as we all will die one day.
Anyways you are right in your world view that comforts you in certain conflicts. So as long as you want to feel comfortable, keep yourself out of sins of your society and be happy, stay in this course.
i will remind you that i am an ateist (as i mentioned in my previous post), and i have very little trust for any abrahamic religion. So please stop referencing zarqawi as my lead.
My original question is, why do peace loving danes have soldiers in iraq? Because they are dogs of big powers. Real "free" and "peaceful" people would not allow themselves to be dogs of others. Also They would like to think themselves as modern saints of capitalist society where they bring love, wisdom, help to those who need, like poor iraqis are dying to be killed by american or danish soldiers.
All the big wars were started by unsatisfied western powers. Show me one major war that eastern (perhaps islamic) countries really started in last 100 years? The fact is that the West is the aggressor at any time of human history, it does not matter if they are european or american.
I do not support mullahs or imams but i do not support so called high values of western thought. They are very flawed. I am just happy that the west is showing its real face by promoting agression in every way they can (ex, iraq war, drawings of mohammed, bosnia) , so that my fellow eastern people would see it better.
None of you understand the difference between Christ and Mohammed. These 2 figures hold very different places in those religions. The fact is you cannot picture Mohammed in any way at any time. It is "forbidden". It was forbid by mohammed himself. So why do West do it? Because they are ignorant and untaught. Also they like to think about Mohammed as they think about about Christ. Please read more before you spill out your stereotypes.
If they were really interested in helping politics of islam, they would draw cartoons of king of Saudi, king of Jordan, Hosnu Mubarrek of Egypt, Musarrraf of Pakistan etc Because these are the real figures who are clogging their society`s progress, not Mohammed. He has nothing to do with suicide bombings or agression towards or from Islam. And i think that they are very coward, because they can only make fun of people who died 1400 years ago.
Next time i see a Danish citizen in my country, i ll show them how i am using their flag and constitution as my toilet paper to support their support for their freedoom of expression. Actually i do not want any Danish to visit my country anymore, because in their standart it is not pretty anyways.
Seems like no hypocrite westerner dare to speak about this? Remember, both peace loving danish and dutch people have armies in muslim lands helping imperial armies of west (for example Iraq) . This double standart is very old western game. American army killed more innocent people in iraq than terrorist al-qaida ever could. Actually America had at least 50 big army interventions around world in last 50 years, not to mention french, british etc interventions around the world. Now these people are trying to teach us human rights and freedom by killing and humiliating us.
After living in west more than 5 years i realized that West is actually ignorant, illiterate, untaught. I wonder how many of you really lived in a muslim country more than 2 weeks?
btw just you know, i am as ateist as one can get, so you do not waste your precious times with stereotyping me.
what you say is not important really, what you do is important, do something good today for yourself and throw those credit cards into trash. dumbo dumbo fugo ( oh yeah that is my native language from andaman islands)
thnx for proving me again. go create some fartwork with your fancy poposhop if you can, instead of wasting your and my time here. (which proves that i am not the time cube guy). holly popo you are
i did not know that english was the only spoken language in the world.
you are a confused person that is for sure. Confused about art and confused about very existentialist reasons of human race. i know who you are, you are an american, a proud one
real people argue with real reasons and solid thinking. where is "solid thinking" in your argument? troll, idiot, nonsense. Using these multiple times in a sentence does not make that sentence an argument.
because i said gimp is better for artists do not make me less of a human being than you, but your brand driven consumer brain cannot get grasp of
such a simple idealogy. What i said yet holds tight , it is not the tool it is the person who makes it.
i am not in a position to teach you wisdom and thought here, especially to a person like you. You have enough of it already.
stop turning conversation into toilet paper, and start coming up with argument that we can use for humaine conversation. Thou i suspect that you have such intentions.
for sure Gimp is not at the level of photoshop. photoshop is also pioneer software in the field, noone is denying it. it is not about technical qualities or superiority , it is about ideology.
uhmm, feng is not an artist, he proves my point. talent does not bring artistry. Thou Mullins have much of a talent and sensitivty than Feng that is for sure. But you need to remember all those guys you mentioned above are commercial artists, and that is what i meant. i was not attacking them at all. It is a matter of perception of art.
noone will remember feng or mullins or anry, because they make consumable products for consumers. Working on starwars movies is the worst kind of reputation for a real artist (feng) , even thou i have friends worked in those movies
i would love to give you my web site and gallery, have nothing to hide.
i am not sure why person below call me troll. obviously he is a troll does not understand function of real art, place of capital and art, and how they function and cause decaying in society and individual
how come they can teach morals to others? maybe they can teach murals, but not morals obviously
here is a wonderful game about american morals
http://www.kumawar.com/
"Game design, like all art, is a VERY amoral activity"
Game design is not art, neither games. At least current implementations. Games are even worse than hollywood chick movies.
Concepting for a game (all those genre games) is same as concepting for club design in san francisco.
i use both, and the fact is, for true artists half of the features you mentioned is not important, remember people were creating stuff just 20 years ago without computers.
thou gimp offers whole alot of stuff for needs of Artists, especially indpendent artists.
Adobe is for commercial artists who are slaves of corporate money or money , thus they need to make things fast and look sexy within the limits of their desktops.No blame, Gimp should never goto that direction anyways
how come making people to play gta or mercenaries is not teaching some form of morality or some form of value system? i think we should ban all kinds of games, whatever is designed or created will be pushing for one or the other. then why not push for the good instead of bad?
games, hollywood, best sellers, popular culture etc are opiums of masses. It is such a bad idea to let parents to decide best opium for their kids
i will either go back to ie (at least i know evil is evil, no need for extra brain power to know intentions and undisclosed deals) or find a real free opensource little browser.
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I guess that is their own problem and they are yet paying for it.
"I was not aware that Holocaust denial was a crime in the US."
well i said it is a crime in Europe. Try it next time you are in the lands of civilization and reason.
West could never understand our mindset, that is why you are confused all the time. I am sure you do not even know why iranians call you as "satan america". And posibly you are not aware of the fact that Usa and Britain overhtrew elected Prime minister Mossadegh of Iran back in 1950s. And possbily you never will find a connection between illegal overthrowing of a prime minister and illegal take over of American embassy 50 years later.
Americans are the worst apologist of whole human history possibly. They have self claimed reasons for every mistake they do, every dictator they support (saddam, pinochet, suharto,colonels' junta etc ) or every country they invade (very long list), every innocent person they kill in Iraq. That is why i can understand why you are giving replies like "The US would have sold (or given away, if it came to that) chemical weapons to Satan himself if the Evil One promised to use them on Iran".
On the other hand, i agree with you that you should be able express your opinions as long as you do not kill anyone. We are just suspicious of purpose that is all.
i think everyone should make a difference between drawing cartoons of Moses depicted as terrorist and Ariel sharon as human butcher. One is a prophet other one is a living political figure who actually run wars. It is like saying that Tianenmen Square events happened because of Confuchious. That cherry picking of ideas is done by the west all the time to run their agendas on others.
yes Iran-Iraq war was not started by the West but they definetely have a hand in them. If you read side tracks of history you will see how western countries maximized their profits out of this war by escalating those conflicts. (Rumsfeld selling chemical weapons to Dictators like Saddam is a form of agression)
And i am sure you can not deny the fact that British imperial plans had alot to do with indo- pakistani relationships.
I do not think that West is the subject of sharia law at all (i myself dont want to be subject of sharia also) . That is a very stupid idea. But Why are we (orient) subject of western thoughts and so called democracies and capitalism? Did you ask us if we believe your ideas before imposing them on us, before declaring those ideas as the peaks of human thought and everyone should accept them?
As long as people are not killed because they believe in science , noone should be offended if muslims declare that science is decadent. I wonder what happens if one says that holocaust or armenian genocide has not happened in europe, i heard that they put you in jail. Not that i support such offense against jews or dear armenians , but talking, saying your ideas cannot be a reason to goto jail.
The fact is that the West wants to impose the idea that one westerner=10000 easterner. As long as that is the case, we cannot have understanding-communication-tolerance. We all are first human beings, your technical level of achievement means nothing as long as we all will die one day.
Anyways you are right in your world view that comforts you in certain conflicts. So as long as you want to feel comfortable, keep yourself out of sins of your society and be happy, stay in this course.
i will remind you that i am an ateist (as i mentioned in my previous post), and i have very little trust for any abrahamic religion. So please stop referencing zarqawi as my lead. My original question is, why do peace loving danes have soldiers in iraq? Because they are dogs of big powers. Real "free" and "peaceful" people would not allow themselves to be dogs of others. Also They would like to think themselves as modern saints of capitalist society where they bring love, wisdom, help to those who need, like poor iraqis are dying to be killed by american or danish soldiers. All the big wars were started by unsatisfied western powers. Show me one major war that eastern (perhaps islamic) countries really started in last 100 years? The fact is that the West is the aggressor at any time of human history, it does not matter if they are european or american. I do not support mullahs or imams but i do not support so called high values of western thought. They are very flawed. I am just happy that the west is showing its real face by promoting agression in every way they can (ex, iraq war, drawings of mohammed, bosnia) , so that my fellow eastern people would see it better. None of you understand the difference between Christ and Mohammed. These 2 figures hold very different places in those religions. The fact is you cannot picture Mohammed in any way at any time. It is "forbidden". It was forbid by mohammed himself. So why do West do it? Because they are ignorant and untaught. Also they like to think about Mohammed as they think about about Christ. Please read more before you spill out your stereotypes. If they were really interested in helping politics of islam, they would draw cartoons of king of Saudi, king of Jordan, Hosnu Mubarrek of Egypt, Musarrraf of Pakistan etc Because these are the real figures who are clogging their society`s progress, not Mohammed. He has nothing to do with suicide bombings or agression towards or from Islam. And i think that they are very coward, because they can only make fun of people who died 1400 years ago. Next time i see a Danish citizen in my country, i ll show them how i am using their flag and constitution as my toilet paper to support their support for their freedoom of expression. Actually i do not want any Danish to visit my country anymore, because in their standart it is not pretty anyways.
Seems like no hypocrite westerner dare to speak about this? Remember, both peace loving danish and dutch people have armies in muslim lands helping imperial armies of west (for example Iraq) . This double standart is very old western game. American army killed more innocent people in iraq than terrorist al-qaida ever could. Actually America had at least 50 big army interventions around world in last 50 years, not to mention french, british etc interventions around the world. Now these people are trying to teach us human rights and freedom by killing and humiliating us. After living in west more than 5 years i realized that West is actually ignorant, illiterate, untaught. I wonder how many of you really lived in a muslim country more than 2 weeks? btw just you know, i am as ateist as one can get, so you do not waste your precious times with stereotyping me.
it is the double "o" . what is up with that? yah oo, g oo gle , micr o s o ft, n o rt o n (symmantec) etc. what is in c o mm o n?
what you say is not important really, what you do is important, do something good today for yourself and throw those credit cards into trash. dumbo dumbo fugo ( oh yeah that is my native language from andaman islands)
thnx for proving me again. go create some fartwork with your fancy poposhop if you can, instead of wasting your and my time here. (which proves that i am not the time cube guy). holly popo you are
i did not know that english was the only spoken language in the world. you are a confused person that is for sure. Confused about art and confused about very existentialist reasons of human race. i know who you are, you are an american, a proud one real people argue with real reasons and solid thinking. where is "solid thinking" in your argument? troll, idiot, nonsense. Using these multiple times in a sentence does not make that sentence an argument. because i said gimp is better for artists do not make me less of a human being than you, but your brand driven consumer brain cannot get grasp of such a simple idealogy. What i said yet holds tight , it is not the tool it is the person who makes it. i am not in a position to teach you wisdom and thought here, especially to a person like you. You have enough of it already. stop turning conversation into toilet paper, and start coming up with argument that we can use for humaine conversation. Thou i suspect that you have such intentions.
for sure Gimp is not at the level of photoshop. photoshop is also pioneer software in the field, noone is denying it. it is not about technical qualities or superiority , it is about ideology.
stop hitting yourself then, you will feel better.
uhmm, feng is not an artist, he proves my point. talent does not bring artistry. Thou Mullins have much of a talent and sensitivty than Feng that is for sure. But you need to remember all those guys you mentioned above are commercial artists, and that is what i meant. i was not attacking them at all. It is a matter of perception of art. noone will remember feng or mullins or anry, because they make consumable products for consumers. Working on starwars movies is the worst kind of reputation for a real artist (feng) , even thou i have friends worked in those movies i would love to give you my web site and gallery, have nothing to hide. i am not sure why person below call me troll. obviously he is a troll does not understand function of real art, place of capital and art, and how they function and cause decaying in society and individual
how come they can teach morals to others? maybe they can teach murals, but not morals obviously here is a wonderful game about american morals http://www.kumawar.com/
"Game design, like all art, is a VERY amoral activity" Game design is not art, neither games. At least current implementations. Games are even worse than hollywood chick movies. Concepting for a game (all those genre games) is same as concepting for club design in san francisco.
i use both, and the fact is, for true artists half of the features you mentioned is not important, remember people were creating stuff just 20 years ago without computers. thou gimp offers whole alot of stuff for needs of Artists, especially indpendent artists. Adobe is for commercial artists who are slaves of corporate money or money , thus they need to make things fast and look sexy within the limits of their desktops.No blame, Gimp should never goto that direction anyways
GIMP should not use anything Adobe, that is the whole idea of GIMP, at least to me.
how come making people to play gta or mercenaries is not teaching some form of morality or some form of value system? i think we should ban all kinds of games, whatever is designed or created will be pushing for one or the other. then why not push for the good instead of bad? games, hollywood, best sellers, popular culture etc are opiums of masses. It is such a bad idea to let parents to decide best opium for their kids
i will either go back to ie (at least i know evil is evil, no need for extra brain power to know intentions and undisclosed deals) or find a real free opensource little browser.