could we please stick to serious measures of information within the field of IT instead of silly printer paper units, how many station wagons full of 9 track tape is that?
I've used DragonFly to build some appliances for remote network monitoring, like having something as solid as FreeBSD 4.x from which it was forked but with ability to compile latest BSD packages and small footprint. I've kind of lost faith in FreeBSD after 5.x and 6.x shakiness under high load, maybe they've fixed it.
That said, I've yet to use Hammer and wonder if/when it's production stable like some of the other parts.
Basically, we only know that somewhere between 1 and 10-to-the-12-power planets in the universe support life.
No, we don't know that at all. We only know one planet in the entire universe supports life and has life. We do not know of any planets similar to ours.
eh, Ubuntu has had LVM for a very long time, see "alternate install CD", which also has RAID. That said, ZFS is cooler than LVM, the business about extended partitions not being handled is really an issue that extended partitions are themselves a bad hack for a very uncool disk controller architecture that winPCs of course standardized on back in the DOS days.
actually, I see it is set to 256 unless Makefile of architecture sets it to something else. for the processor used in the big sparc boxes it will indeed by 256.
1. opensolaris isn't solaris 2. there can be plenty of other reasons than that one number that might limit Solaris maximum cpu, I've have seen Sun publish the 256/512 number (its on one of the exams I had to take as certified sun systems engineer), though maybe the total has changed. but does anyone make such a machine, I'm not aware of Fujitsu one bigger than that. 2. wrong to say solaris on multiple architectures for years, Sun introduced then dropped Solaris on x86 and ppc multiple times in the past 15 years.
you need to do a few search engine queries before making such a silly statement. Even if you wanted to call Sun's big boxes "mainframes", which they aren't, there are over half a dozen big unix-iron companies. And there are several mainframe companies (of which Sun is NOT one)
probably nuggets of insight are better than incite.
256 cores 512 threads is the last limit I saw published by Sun. Please let me know of any bigger claimed value.
in the real world, the biggest machine that can be bought does put a limit on scalability for any business application. I don't see Sun machines leading in real world benchmarks of common business apps either.
the application tiers I deal are J2EE servers and other middleware and web servers, so at least for those cases no real advantage to one big machine.
x86 is fast catching up, the six core by 8 processors are out now and soon 8x8 also with hyperthreading, that's going to eat much of the lunch of the traditional unix big-iron realm, as most partitionable machines are carved into that space or below.
If you're talking about single machine SMP, Solaris will go to 256 way SMP on available machines from Sun. Linux can do 1024-way Itanium2. With NUMA architecture things can get even bigger
Linux is running servers bigger than Solaris can handle. Linux is running massive databases in corporations. Linux scales to the small PDA all the way to the world's most powerful supercomputers, Solaris can't do that.
Sun is so cash-strapped that investment in Sparc is at low, almost nothing. So it is easy for Oracle to claim they will outspend what Sun does now....all the while looking for a hardware company on which to dump Sparc off. There are plenty of alternatives to UltraSparc based Sun servers, redundancy and SMP can be done more cost effectively
since when is Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about risky undertakings a bad thing? A company that is buying big unix iron isn't going to risk buying from a vendor that isn't going to be there in a year. There is no way of knowing whether the Sun hardware line will exist in a year.
the thing uses dekatrons (ten cathode tube where pulse on guide electrode next to a cathode makes conduction jump to next cathode), which though not produced anymore are widely available. A computer made from them is much like a mechanical cash register with counting wheels. they are used by many hobbyists for clocks and other counting applications. no problem getting them
depends on who is doing the evaluating. there are other space faring and planning-to-be-space-faring cultures on earth now than just our U.S. one. In some of those cultures, it is considered noble and honorable to be chosen to do a great deed at the cost of one's life, and to accept the task.
machines blowing each other up isn't war and doesn't have the same impact as war. War needs people getting killed, and there is no indication in any of the wars happening on earth that this trend is in any way changing.
have you seen the exhibits in some of our national parks of car doors ripped open by bears? you not only have to get to the car, you have to start it and get it to over 40MPH if the bear is intent on having you for dinner or play.
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could we please stick to serious measures of information within the field of IT instead of silly printer paper units, how many station wagons full of 9 track tape is that?
I also question the 10^12 limit, no rational basis for that number either, could be 100 times that number that support life
I've used DragonFly to build some appliances for remote network monitoring, like having something as solid as FreeBSD 4.x from which it was forked but with ability to compile latest BSD packages and small footprint. I've kind of lost faith in FreeBSD after 5.x and 6.x shakiness under high load, maybe they've fixed it.
That said, I've yet to use Hammer and wonder if/when it's production stable like some of the other parts.
guess again, sales of Preparation H(tm) were up 8% in Massachusetts last month and nitrile gloves 10%. they probe and plant while you sleep
Basically, we only know that somewhere between 1 and 10-to-the-12-power planets in the universe support life.
No, we don't know that at all. We only know one planet in the entire universe supports life and has life. We do not know of any planets similar to ours.
eh, Ubuntu has had LVM for a very long time, see "alternate install CD", which also has RAID. That said, ZFS is cooler than LVM, the business about extended partitions not being handled is really an issue that extended partitions are themselves a bad hack for a very uncool disk controller architecture that winPCs of course standardized on back in the DOS days.
not relevant, that's a clustered system, in this subthread we're talking of SMP and hardware threading.
no, oracle said they would spend more "than sun does now". which is next to nothing for R&D since their sales have tanked.
actually, I see it is set to 256 unless Makefile of architecture sets it to something else. for the processor used in the big sparc boxes it will indeed by 256.
rotten? cheese is made with help of enzyme, fruit juice can be used. not all cheeses are ripened with bacteria
1. opensolaris isn't solaris
2. there can be plenty of other reasons than that one number that might limit Solaris maximum cpu, I've have seen Sun publish the 256/512 number (its on one of the exams I had to take as certified sun systems engineer), though maybe the total has changed. but does anyone make such a machine, I'm not aware of Fujitsu one bigger than that.
2. wrong to say solaris on multiple architectures for years, Sun introduced then dropped Solaris on x86 and ppc multiple times in the past 15 years.
Linux runs on expensive highly available hardware too. Including real mainframes, which big Sun boxes aren't.
you need to do a few search engine queries before making such a silly statement. Even if you wanted to call Sun's big boxes "mainframes", which they aren't, there are over half a dozen big unix-iron companies. And there are several mainframe companies (of which Sun is NOT one)
probably nuggets of insight are better than incite.
256 cores 512 threads is the last limit I saw published by Sun. Please let me know of any bigger claimed value.
in the real world, the biggest machine that can be bought does put a limit on scalability for any business application. I don't see Sun machines leading in real world benchmarks of common business apps either.
the application tiers I deal are J2EE servers and other middleware and web servers, so at least for those cases no real advantage to one big machine.
x86 is fast catching up, the six core by 8 processors are out now and soon 8x8 also with hyperthreading, that's going to eat much of the lunch of the traditional unix big-iron realm, as most partitionable machines are carved into that space or below.
If you're talking about single machine SMP, Solaris will go to 256 way SMP on available machines from Sun. Linux can do 1024-way Itanium2. With NUMA architecture things can get even bigger
but Linux does all those things - part of my job is replacing Sun servers with Oracle RAC clusters on Linux. Faster, cheaper, just as reliable.
Linux is running servers bigger than Solaris can handle. Linux is running massive databases in corporations. Linux scales to the small PDA all the way to the world's most powerful supercomputers, Solaris can't do that.
Sun is so cash-strapped that investment in Sparc is at low, almost nothing. So it is easy for Oracle to claim they will outspend what Sun does now....all the while looking for a hardware company on which to dump Sparc off. There are plenty of alternatives to UltraSparc based Sun servers, redundancy and SMP can be done more cost effectively
since when is Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about risky undertakings a bad thing? A company that is buying big unix iron isn't going to risk buying from a vendor that isn't going to be there in a year. There is no way of knowing whether the Sun hardware line will exist in a year.
the thing uses dekatrons (ten cathode tube where pulse on guide electrode next to a cathode makes conduction jump to next cathode), which though not produced anymore are widely available. A computer made from them is much like a mechanical cash register with counting wheels. they are used by many hobbyists for clocks and other counting applications. no problem getting them
depends on who is doing the evaluating. there are other space faring and planning-to-be-space-faring cultures on earth now than just our U.S. one. In some of those cultures, it is considered noble and honorable to be chosen to do a great deed at the cost of one's life, and to accept the task.
machines blowing each other up isn't war and doesn't have the same impact as war. War needs people getting killed, and there is no indication in any of the wars happening on earth that this trend is in any way changing.
desktops???? hp's x86 server line is very successful, and those DL and ML lines are Compaqs
have you seen the exhibits in some of our national parks of car doors ripped open by bears? you not only have to get to the car, you have to start it and get it to over 40MPH if the bear is intent on having you for dinner or play.