Friend of mine was hit by an SUV going over 60mph in the HOV lane from behind. It smashed the rear of her car flat against the front seats (if you'd been in back- you were dead paste.)
He dropped his cell phone and bent over to pick it up. At 70mph you travel over 450 feet in 5 seconds. He didn't see the entire lane was stopped ahead of him. She can't drive in the HOV lane any more.
Are you seriously saying you only care about this one edge case and not the 40% less accidents?
Yes, it's terrible. Yes, they should fix it. But, already automated cars are safer than human drivers.
There will be other edge cases. Even when automated cars are reduce accidents by 99%, there will still be over 54,000 crashes with over 3,000 people dying *per year*. At 99.9%, it'll be 300 people and still tragic. At 99.99% it'll be 30 people and still tragic. At 99.999%, it'll still be 3 people a year.
And folks will feel bad about when one of those fatalities occur and say the technology needs to be better. But at some point, you hit a limit. You just can't predict sudden sink holes, for example. You can't predict a piece of wrought iron fencing falling out of the truck ahead of you and literally spearing thru your engine compartment and missing killing you by a couple inches (happened to someone I worked with). You can't predict rode debris blowing a tire out and sending your car flipping into surrounded traffic.
But again, yes I absolutely agree with you that Tesla (and automated car people) should address these situations as they are identified. Probably... when people don't respond to requests to grab the wheel... at some point Tesla is going to slow down and pull over. It just seems like the most likely response.
Recently we had a learning neural net that identified white posts and empty grass fields as sheep.
We also had a learning neural net that identified sunny days as one nations tanks and overcast days as the other nations tanks.
A.I. doesn't have to be smart to do *exactly* what you trained it to do and as a result have a failure of friendliness.
Automated weapons are very dangerous because of the mistakes we won't understand. It doesn't need to be skynet to go on a very efficient killing spree because anyone in a turban is the enemy. Or anyone with a beard is the enemy.
Also how much is decent quality food that's not full of pesticides, cellulose, and water?
The water levels in meats are completely insane these days.
Likewise, many home utility items last under 25% as long as they used to.
The guy above mentions a TV set. My friend has a CRT Tv Set which is over 20 years old. I have a dishwasher and a water heater that are both over 20 years old. Today's water heaters last about 9 years. Today's dishwashers breakdown in less than that.
Four years ago, the capacitor on my a/c went out. It was 27 years old. The repairman said, "wow, the new one will probably last under five years. It broke after 2 years." The total appliance and the parts comprising the total appliance are junk.
Microwaves. My friend replaced a 1990s microwave a few years ago. The new microwave is already broken in a couple minor ways. Junk. It costs $1000 to get a good quality microwave (a miele) .
Clothing-- clothing that used to last forever decade (like jeans) are shredding in 8 years. The fabric looks real- but it just doesn't last. It's low quality. And there is no way to tell. Thinner metal, more plastic. Then lower quality plastic.
Everything is slowly dropping in quality and become less reliable. Folks are not getting the bargain they think they are getting.
"The Nazi movement was predicated on the racial superiority of ethnic Germans. The Jacobin movement was predicated on the idea that the aristocracy could not be trusted any more. The Nazi movement benefited the already powerful at the expense of the already marginalized. The Jacobin movement didn't really benefit anyone, but it was primarily concerned with shifting power away from the already powerful. Both were pretty awful, but for very different reasons. And nothing comes close to the scale of the terror enacted by the Nazis - the reign of terror killed 40,000-50,000 people. The holocaust killed 13 million, and Nazi aggression led to a war that killed 50-80 million.
So, no, his comment wasn't the moronic one."
Saved me some time from this attempted pivot. Much appreciated sir or madam.
The full name of Adolf Hitlerâ(TM)s Nazi Party, the political movement that brought him to power and supplied the infrastructure of the fascist dictatorship over which he would preside, was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workersâ(TM) Party. According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazisâ(TM) true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.
Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the partyâ(TM)s conspicuous use of the term âoesocialistâ â" which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum â" has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany.
Richard J. Evans: âIt Would Be Wrong to See Nazism as a Form of, or an Outgrowth From, Socialismâ(TM)
Despite having declared, at various times, âoeI am a socialist,â âoeWe are socialists,â and similar avowals, on a personal level Hitler displayed little regard for the actual tenets of socialism, or, for that matter, socialists themselves. This excerpt from a speech Hitler gave in 1922 (quoted in William L. Shirerâ(TM)s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, published in 1960) is indicative:
Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, âoeDeutschland ueber Alles,â to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land â" that man is a Socialist.
And this is what came out of Adolf Hitlerâ(TM)s mouth on another occasion when a comrade riled him by harping on socialism (as reported by Henry A. Turner, author of German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler, published in 1985):
Socialism! What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.
In his 2010 book Hitler: A Biography, British historian Ian Kershaw wrote that despite putting the interests of the state above those of capitalism, he did so for reasons of nationalism and was never a true socialist by any common definition of the term:
The proof was in the pudding. Not long after acquiring the reins of power, the Nazis banned the Social Democratic Party and sent its leaders and other leftists identified as threats to the National Socialist program to concentration camps. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia:...
Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to âoeracially worthyâ (non-Jewish) beneficiaries.
In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed.
Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers.
In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal âoeFrom each according to his ability, to each according to his needâ was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of âoeTake everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.â
And when I see them on the news marching on cities, running down innocent women with cars, talking openly about ethnic cleansing on camps, I'll address them just as forthrightly.
Anyone who worships the greatest enemy the u.s. ever faced isn't really american. Nazi's are flat out evil.
Don't get nazi tattoos, carry nazi flags, and throw nazi salutes.
Dude... photos from charleston and other alt-right gatherings clearly show them with tattoos, nazi flags, making nazi salutes, saying "Hiel Trump", etc.
Aha! But you *did* care enough to respond to what I thought.
That's distinct from caring whether another person things something is proper or not. In that context, caring is synonymous with "agreement with" as in "no one agrees with what you think is proper" vs "no one cares what you think is proper".
In our case, you clearly felt enough concern or interest and attached enough importance to my post to respond to it.
It was really this weird group of feminists, people trying to stop sex trafficking, and evangelicals.
In the process it caught legitimate independent massage therapists and many independent adult sex workers. Both groups were essentially "fired" without notice. I guess LMT's will use web sites and business cards? Sex workers may go back to working in bodyrub parlors, street walking, and having pimps.
You might be what your shadow profile reveals about you.
If you have any interests, ever sent or received a message, were ever tagged in a photograph, or have any friends they probably have you nailed down pretty finely.
I've coded in over a dozen languages from vax macro and 6502 assembly languages to cobol and fortran to ada and java.
Everyone does not need to learn to code any more than everyone needs to learn calculus or everyone needs to learn music.
I've had a computer science degree longer than some (many?) people posting on slashdot have been alive.
It's a dumb concept.
Coding doesn't teach you how to think and be a decent human being.
Philosophy and logic courses teach you how to think and be a decent human being.
And actually, learning to read music and play a musical instrument does more for you as a human being (and your ability to think) than learning to code.
The fundamental reason is to help elect a person who already represents your point of view rather than to influence a person to go against their inherent feelings.
For example, Gun people donate to reprsentatives who say they will support gun rights. Pro abortion people donate to representatives who say they value choice.
There is a difference between donations (moral, honest, legitimate) and bribary (immoral, dishonest, corrupt).
However, in the real world, the line is thin and often crossed. Especially where the governing body is handing out contracts or passing laws.
Money isn't the only form of donating-- people also donate resources and their time and effort.
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math error.
okay 99% would be 350.
So 99.9 would be 35. and 99.99 would be 3.5. One of them would be half dead.
In the data I was looking at the figure was 32,700 so they were only a quarter dead.
Anyway, your focus on this particular error case struck me that way.
The joy of text communication.
Friend of mine was hit by an SUV going over 60mph in the HOV lane from behind. It smashed the rear of her car flat against the front seats (if you'd been in back- you were dead paste.)
He dropped his cell phone and bent over to pick it up. At 70mph you travel over 450 feet in 5 seconds. He didn't see the entire lane was stopped ahead of him. She can't drive in the HOV lane any more.
Are you seriously saying you only care about this one edge case and not the 40% less accidents?
Yes, it's terrible. Yes, they should fix it. But, already automated cars are safer than human drivers.
There will be other edge cases. Even when automated cars are reduce accidents by 99%, there will still be over 54,000 crashes with over 3,000 people dying *per year*. At 99.9%, it'll be 300 people and still tragic. At 99.99% it'll be 30 people and still tragic. At 99.999%, it'll still be 3 people a year.
And folks will feel bad about when one of those fatalities occur and say the technology needs to be better. But at some point, you hit a limit. You just can't predict sudden sink holes, for example. You can't predict a piece of wrought iron fencing falling out of the truck ahead of you and literally spearing thru your engine compartment and missing killing you by a couple inches (happened to someone I worked with). You can't predict rode debris blowing a tire out and sending your car flipping into surrounded traffic.
But again, yes I absolutely agree with you that Tesla (and automated car people) should address these situations as they are identified. Probably... when people don't respond to requests to grab the wheel... at some point Tesla is going to slow down and pull over. It just seems like the most likely response.
Recently we had a learning neural net that identified white posts and empty grass fields as sheep.
We also had a learning neural net that identified sunny days as one nations tanks and overcast days as the other nations tanks.
A.I. doesn't have to be smart to do *exactly* what you trained it to do and as a result have a failure of friendliness.
Automated weapons are very dangerous because of the mistakes we won't understand. It doesn't need to be skynet to go on a very efficient killing spree because anyone in a turban is the enemy. Or anyone with a beard is the enemy.
What everyone misses, is that in the new scenario we are the horses.
Also how much is decent quality food that's not full of pesticides, cellulose, and water?
The water levels in meats are completely insane these days.
Likewise, many home utility items last under 25% as long as they used to.
The guy above mentions a TV set. My friend has a CRT Tv Set which is over 20 years old. I have a dishwasher and a water heater that are both over 20 years old. Today's water heaters last about 9 years. Today's dishwashers breakdown in less than that.
Four years ago, the capacitor on my a/c went out. It was 27 years old. The repairman said, "wow, the new one will probably last under five years. It broke after 2 years." The total appliance and the parts comprising the total appliance are junk.
Microwaves. My friend replaced a 1990s microwave a few years ago. The new microwave is already broken in a couple minor ways. Junk. It costs $1000 to get a good quality microwave (a miele) .
Clothing-- clothing that used to last forever decade (like jeans) are shredding in 8 years. The fabric looks real- but it just doesn't last. It's low quality. And there is no way to tell. Thinner metal, more plastic. Then lower quality plastic.
Everything is slowly dropping in quality and become less reliable. Folks are not getting the bargain they think they are getting.
Not only that. Training isn't free.
If you pay $6k for a skill and then lose the job within 2 years, you are in debt and can't retrain.
We need basic income, universal health care, and free education (that includes trade school). Not *debt*.
Because "perfect" is too high a standard.
"Better" is still preferable to "40% more accidents but at least it was at human hands!".
Thank you AC for saying,
"The Nazi movement was predicated on the racial superiority of ethnic Germans. The Jacobin movement was predicated on the idea that the aristocracy could not be trusted any more. The Nazi movement benefited the already powerful at the expense of the already marginalized. The Jacobin movement didn't really benefit anyone, but it was primarily concerned with shifting power away from the already powerful. Both were pretty awful, but for very different reasons. And nothing comes close to the scale of the terror enacted by the Nazis - the reign of terror killed 40,000-50,000 people. The holocaust killed 13 million, and Nazi aggression led to a war that killed 50-80 million.
So, no, his comment wasn't the moronic one."
Saved me some time from this attempted pivot. Much appreciated sir or madam.
Nazis and neonazis are repugnant as are people who talk about ethnic cleansing in college speeches and who toss nazi salutes in their meetings.
The U.S. kicked fascist butts around the globe for nearly 5 years from 41 to 45. The U.S. is the original Antifa.
No, they were not left wing. The used the term "Socialists" for political cover. But they fuckin hated left wing groups and political parties.
https://www.snopes.com/news/20...
The full name of Adolf Hitlerâ(TM)s Nazi Party, the political movement that brought him to power and supplied the infrastructure of the fascist dictatorship over which he would preside, was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workersâ(TM) Party. According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazisâ(TM) true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.
Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the partyâ(TM)s conspicuous use of the term âoesocialistâ â" which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum â" has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany.
Richard J. Evans: âIt Would Be Wrong to See Nazism as a Form of, or an Outgrowth From, Socialismâ(TM)
Despite having declared, at various times, âoeI am a socialist,â âoeWe are socialists,â and similar avowals, on a personal level Hitler displayed little regard for the actual tenets of socialism, or, for that matter, socialists themselves. This excerpt from a speech Hitler gave in 1922 (quoted in William L. Shirerâ(TM)s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, published in 1960) is indicative:
Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, âoeDeutschland ueber Alles,â to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land â" that man is a Socialist.
And this is what came out of Adolf Hitlerâ(TM)s mouth on another occasion when a comrade riled him by harping on socialism (as reported by Henry A. Turner, author of German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler, published in 1985):
Socialism! What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.
In his 2010 book Hitler: A Biography, British historian Ian Kershaw wrote that despite putting the interests of the state above those of capitalism, he did so for reasons of nationalism and was never a true socialist by any common definition of the term:
The proof was in the pudding. Not long after acquiring the reins of power, the Nazis banned the Social Democratic Party and sent its leaders and other leftists identified as threats to the National Socialist program to concentration camps. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia: ...
Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to âoeracially worthyâ (non-Jewish) beneficiaries.
In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed.
Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers.
In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal âoeFrom each according to his ability, to each according to his needâ was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of âoeTake everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.â
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And when I see them on the news marching on cities, running down innocent women with cars, talking openly about ethnic cleansing on camps, I'll address them just as forthrightly.
Anyone who worships the greatest enemy the u.s. ever faced isn't really american. Nazi's are flat out evil.
Don't get nazi tattoos, carry nazi flags, and throw nazi salutes.
Dude... photos from charleston and other alt-right gatherings clearly show them with tattoos, nazi flags, making nazi salutes, saying "Hiel Trump", etc.
lol.
Well, to be fair many of the alt right carry nazi flags, have SS tattoos, and so on.
Aha! But you *did* care enough to respond to what I thought.
That's distinct from caring whether another person things something is proper or not. In that context, caring is synonymous with "agreement with" as in "no one agrees with what you think is proper" vs "no one cares what you think is proper".
In our case, you clearly felt enough concern or interest and attached enough importance to my post to respond to it.
So there! And clearly, I cared what you thought.
As the AC says...
>3. Where you don't want the hassle of logging in to every website you visit.
>4. Where you idealistically believe that the content of a message is relevant, while the personality spreading that message is not.
>Nobody cares what you consider to be "proper".
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Additionally, your points are not in the terms of service of the site and you do not own this site.
Also, AC functionality is part of the site and used regularly.
So I think you are being a bit ridiculous.
It was really this weird group of feminists, people trying to stop sex trafficking, and evangelicals.
In the process it caught legitimate independent massage therapists and many independent adult sex workers. Both groups were essentially "fired" without notice. I guess LMT's will use web sites and business cards? Sex workers may go back to working in bodyrub parlors, street walking, and having pimps.
You were probably being fed your own info bubble.
People who were trump fans probably had the impression Mr. Trump was very popular with MSM.
Google ads do this too. They change everywhere to reflect what you've been browsing unless you are using a privacy mode.
You might be what your shadow profile reveals about you.
If you have any interests, ever sent or received a message, were ever tagged in a photograph, or have any friends they probably have you nailed down pretty finely.
To be fair, both the post he was responding to and the post above it were also AC.
And.. one of the major issues with Facebook is their aggressive attacks on privacy.
So... posting as an AC there seems doubly spot on.
Using Facebook is a great way to lose your privacy, your identity, your credit, your house, and your savings.
It's becoming a great way to lose your privacy, your identity, your credit, your house, and your savings.
I've coded in over a dozen languages from vax macro and 6502 assembly languages to cobol and fortran to ada and java.
Everyone does not need to learn to code any more than everyone needs to learn calculus or everyone needs to learn music.
I've had a computer science degree longer than some (many?) people posting on slashdot have been alive.
It's a dumb concept.
Coding doesn't teach you how to think and be a decent human being.
Philosophy and logic courses teach you how to think and be a decent human being.
And actually, learning to read music and play a musical instrument does more for you as a human being (and your ability to think) than learning to code.
Everyone does not need to learn to farm, be a police officer, be a politician, beautician, actor, painter, composer, or any other particular skill.
it's a good question.
The fundamental reason is to help elect a person who already represents your point of view rather than to influence a person to go against their inherent feelings.
For example,
Gun people donate to reprsentatives who say they will support gun rights.
Pro abortion people donate to representatives who say they value choice.
There is a difference between donations (moral, honest, legitimate) and bribary (immoral, dishonest, corrupt).
However, in the real world, the line is thin and often crossed. Especially where the governing body is handing out contracts or passing laws.
Money isn't the only form of donating-- people also donate resources and their time and effort.