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Facebook Donated To 46 of 55 Members On Committee That Will Question Zuckerberg (usatoday.com)

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg will be questioned about user privacy protections next week by members of the House and Senate committees, but as USA Today notes, many of these members were also "some of the biggest recipients of campaign contributions from Facebook employees directly and the political action committee funded by employees." An anonymous reader shares the report: The congressional panel that got the most Facebook contributions is the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which announced Wednesday morning it would question Zuckerberg on April 11. Members of the committee, whose jurisdiction gives it regulatory power over Internet companies, received nearly $381,000 in contributions tied to Facebook since 2007, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The center is a non-partisan, non-profit group that compiles and analyzes disclosures made to the Federal Election Commission.

The second-highest total, $369,000, went to members of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, which announced later that it would have a joint hearing with the Senate Judiciary Committee to question Zuckerberg on Tuesday. Judiciary Committee members have received $235,000 in Facebook contributions. On the House committee, Republicans got roughly twice as much as Democrats, counter to the broader trend in Facebook campaign gifts. Of the $7 million in contributions to all federal candidates tied to the Menlo Park, Calif.-based social network, Democrats got 65% to Republicans' 33%. Of the 55 members on the Energy and Commerce Committee this year, all but nine have received Facebook contributions in the past decade. The average Republican got $6,800, while the average Democrat got $6,750.

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  1. Interesting test by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

    We'll see if members of the House and Senate committees are truly honest.

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    1. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The english language is not capable of conveying the required amount of cynicism and sarcasm to answer this question.

    2. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe disingenuous from oversimplification but certainly not crazy by any stretch of the imagination. That's literally what campaign donation is about, preferential treatment in some way, otherwise what would be the point of donating?

    3. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The argument for campaign contributions is generally that it's a form of political speech. Based on your post, you clearly support that form of speech.

      However, when it comes to speech that's critical of campaign contributions, you want to violently censor that speech. Again, that's exactly what your post states.

      To summarize, you don't want anyone restricting political speech that you agree with. However, when you disagree with someone's speech, you support violence against them. Got it.

      If campaign contributions don't result in increased access to politicians and, by extension, the ability to influence them, then why are corporate campaign donations so rampant? Perhaps it's a zero sum game unless you're the one business not donating to elected officials. Corporate campaign contributions are so common because those making the contributions obviously believe it is beneficial to do so. Your argument is rather flimsy.

    4. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about bitch slapping Zuckerburger, and the rest of them faggots

    5. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idealists answer is.. Indirect preferential treatment - the candidates with the philosophy you agree with most having the resources to get their message out and hopefully be chosen for office over of the other candidates.

    6. Re:Interesting test by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree. This is so f***** up it is staggering. And in plain sight, no less.

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    7. Re:Interesting test by gweihir · · Score: 0

      You should start taking your meds again. You are batshit crazy and completely disconnected from society.

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    8. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy. They are not. Which way is wind blowing today?

    9. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then why does the recipient of the donation know who made it? We need a third party to track and limit donations and insulate the politicians from the donors if there isn't any expected quid pro quo.

    10. Re:Interesting test by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You apparently do not understand that "a honest politician is one that stays bought". And no, you have nothing on your side, except a complete ignorance as to human nature and some bogus studies. And, of course, usually the bad decisions that are paid for are cleverly disguised. After all, somebody from the other side could turn this around easily otherwise. Incidentally, I happen to be a scientist, and I know how such studies are created. And, unlike you, I can read and understand them.

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    11. Re:Interesting test by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "they donated to someone's campaign, so OBVIOUSLY they're going to get better treatment!" is disingenuous at best, and batshit crazy at worst.

      If you pay someone they treat you better. How is that disingenuous or crazy? It's true.

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    12. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money in politics is problematic at best.

    13. Re: Interesting test by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here it would mean that 46 of the members would be automatically disqualified for the task.

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    14. Re:Interesting test by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, they should be ashamed of themselves--they missed 9 of them.

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    15. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is entities donating to both sides, so no matter who loses, you win.

    16. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you need a study to tell you what color the sky is?

    17. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fell victim to a door-to-door salesman once. We are all human and we are all falible. Our system of governance should be guided away from appealing to emotion, especially fear.

    18. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Countered by organizations that donate to both sides. If one is the correct choice, donating to both would make no sense, again.

      Not to beat a dead horse, but The Donald used to donate to Clinton. Barring some actual change of ideology, which is unlikely, and given his derision of Clinton before the campaign, what was the logic if not direct preferential treatment?

      So I don't think reality illustrates this concept in action.

    19. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean you just called a person batshit for thinking something, so you can't use your current argument as a defense.

      Sorry, most of us just aren't so stupid that we lose track of the discussion after 2 comments.

    20. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can assure you they will honestly toss softball questions at Zuckerberg until their alloted time is over and will probably kiss his ass a little bit in the process. They will honestly review all talking points sent them by Facebook lobbyists and will honestly derail any serious inquiry. These politicians are being presented with a perfect business opportunity and are all hoping for bigger "contributions" next year.

    21. Re: Interesting test by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Well, IIUC he was a Democrat when that was to his advantage, and switched to being a Republican when *that* was to his advantage. I've never checked this out, so feel free to doubt it.

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    22. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how harshly Zuck is treated donations will still come in from tech. There's a risk of treating him too softly given current public sentiment. He will be treated medium to harsh.

    23. Re: Interesting test by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      it's a good question.

      The fundamental reason is to help elect a person who already represents your point of view rather than to influence a person to go against their inherent feelings.

      For example,
      Gun people donate to reprsentatives who say they will support gun rights.
      Pro abortion people donate to representatives who say they value choice.

      There is a difference between donations (moral, honest, legitimate) and bribary (immoral, dishonest, corrupt).

      However, in the real world, the line is thin and often crossed. Especially where the governing body is handing out contracts or passing laws.

      Money isn't the only form of donating-- people also donate resources and their time and effort.

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    24. Re:Interesting test by butchersong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I find more interesting is the idea that these social networks probably have compromising data on a portion of if not most of the politicians. How nervous would you get for example at the thought of personally pissing Zuckerberg off...

    25. Re: Interesting test by ewibble · · Score: 1

      You are not going to get smarter voters. Human nature is not going to change any time soon. The cap for political contributions should be 0, any sane person would call that a bribe. The company I work for has a strict no gifts policy, how can the people run the country not have the same.

      The argument against it do you want to pay it through taxes, to me the answer is a clear YES, because in the long run I will cost the people more not to. I also someone should not win an election based on the size of their wallet but on their ideas.

      I also want politicians to spend time governing not fund raising https://www.termlimits.com/con... in fact if you spent more than have your time at work raising money for yourself you would probably be fired.

    26. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you need to read studies showing why when and where the sky is green, despite your personal first hand experiences to the contrary.

    27. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its ok, they have complete data profiles on those 9 and you can buy them today for only 9.99 if you sign this agreement to let us slam you in the press if anyone finds out!

    28. Re:Interesting test by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, /. still doesn't support Cyrillic.

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    29. Re:Interesting test by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      despite the reputation there are a few politicians that I would trust to be totally honest. I suspect that being honest is not a republican or democrat specific thing but the only politicians that I trust my self are republican (possibly because I am republican.) However most of those are leaving it seems. The most honest (that does not mean he is always right or I agree with him just that he is honest) that I know of is Trey Gowdy and the reason he is leaving, basically because he feels ineffectual due to such corrupt partisanship.

      There are many (on both sides) that I know are dishonest and we don't actually need to test them, it is already proven many times over. I know there is plenty of times when they leak illegally. Also many times they lie for their political reasons. However in the end it says something that when there is a honest politician in there he gets driven out by the corruption and futility of it (there is more than one honest politician and not all are giving up.)

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    30. Re:Interesting test by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Are you stupid or just a big government apologist?

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    31. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Missed? No, it just means that Facebook have something more compromising than money on the remaining 9. Messages about affairs perhaps?

    32. Re:Interesting test by youngone · · Score: 2

      Here's a study that sets out the case that America is not really a democracy, and that the elites buy the legislation they want.
      In my view the way to tell the US system is not representative is how you have two political parties.
      Do 300 million people really agree with each other that much?

    33. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is a prime example of what happens when you don't contribute to both sides. Gates thought Microsoft should be above such petty political bribery, and Microsoft ended up on the wrong end of an anti-trust suite. That taught tech companies that they better play the game or they would be put out of business.

    34. Re:Interesting test by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought. Simon Cameron. Lincoln's Minister of War.
       

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    35. Re:Interesting test by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, when I pay a whore I expect a blowjob!

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    36. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question you should be asking then, is how much evidence of it being green are you purposely ignoring to avoid dealing with reality?

    37. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like Jewish bankers Warburg did to protagonists in WW2

  2. Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous. Campaign contributions shouldn't be considered speech, either. These campaign contributions are tantamount to bribery. The wealth is cleverly spread around to guarantee the support of whoever gets elected, regardless of party. There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions. Require that donations be placed by individuals through non-partisan government agencies. Those agencies can then be responsible for providing the money to individuals candidates, without revealing the donors. Stop the bribery.

    1. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      If you stop corporations from making contributions you would also need to stop unions. But that's never going to happen, because if the unions know that if they don't own their lawmakers the unions would cease to exist.

    2. Re: Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations are alrrady banned from making campaign contributions. They also cannot donate to PACs. Only independent super PACs can receive corporate donations

      This is just facebook *employee* donations

    3. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones who would have to ban these bribes are the very people receiving the bribes. So I do agree with you, but good luck with it.

    4. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Solandri · · Score: 1

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      Sure there is. Do you believe in no taxation without representation?

      If so, do you believe in taxing corporations?

      If you said yes to both, then you also believe in giving corporations representation in government. And since they're not allowed to vote, the only form of representation they can have is campaign contributions.

      Personally, I think we should just eliminate corporate taxes. Corporations don't end up paying corporate taxes because income is a representation of productivity, and corporations don't generate any productivity - their employees do. So corporate taxes just end up being passed on as lower employee wages, reduced stockholder dividends, and higher customer prices. If you instead shift corporate taxes to one or all of those three (most people would probably opt for a higher tax rate on dividends), then you can justify prohibiting corporations from making campaign contributions.

      If there's a political issue which is important to a corporation, it can stress the importance to its employees, stockholders, and customers, who can then make the calls to their representatives and spread the word among other voters.

    5. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If corporations weren't allowed to make contributions directly they would just continue to make them through their employees. Easy to do and harder to trace.
      If you really have a problem with Facebook having influence in our society, work to reduce it. All social media that isn't engaged in anonymously can be farmed for profit.

    6. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We demand criminal purity for government agents. Why can't we demand fiscal purity from politicians -- a paycheck, no other money, period?

    7. Re: Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

    8. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      If you stop corporations from making contributions you would also need to stop unions. But that's never going to happen, because if the unions know that if they don't own their lawmakers the unions would cease to exist.

      Here in Canada, both corporate and union donations have been stopped, as well as real people (actually only citizens and permanent residents) being limited to just over $1000 donations. We still have both unions and corporations.

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    9. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here here.... but can you ban this for their cousins as well? My cousin Vinny happened to get a new Porsche, swimming pool and college fund for his kids from this really thoughtful non-politically motivated entity. No favoritism, honest!

    10. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by dryeo · · Score: 1

      America is all about taxation without representation and was setup that way. Think of how many people pay taxes and don't have the vote. Whole large cities such as Washington DC. Whole classes of people who are labeled felons, who often did something politically incorrect such as smoking a joint. All the non-citizens who live and work in the US, whether legally or illegally. Everyone under a certain age, you're 17 and working and paying taxes, you don't get the vote.

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    11. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by ewibble · · Score: 2

      Why do you think that? Unions carry many more votes than the people who own corporations. If a large union said we are going to vote this way that should have much more sway than the CEO of company doing so.

    12. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Sure there is. Do you believe in no taxation without representation?

      Maybe but they are represented with or without contributions the owners can still vote, if I make a trust that gets taxed do I get 2 votes, if I make 99 do I get 100 votes?

      Do you believe in 1 person 1 vote?

      What I really don't believe in is spending money is free speech, talk all you want the internet now allows any moron to say whatever they want for almost nothing. There is no need to spend billions to get your ideas across.

    13. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap.
      The owners, managers and employees of said corporation can vote, there is no sane reason the corporation is allowed to vote via 'contributions'.

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    14. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      If you stop corporations from making contributions you would also need to stop unions. But that's never going to happen, because if the unions know that if they don't own their lawmakers the unions would cease to exist.

      Here in Canada, both corporate and union donations have been stopped, as well as real people (actually only citizens and permanent residents) being limited to just over $1000 donations. We still have both unions and corporations.

      Agreed, and the bipartisan way to change it is this. I really don't understand how so many people can be outraged by this much money flying around, yet seldom do they contribute to the orgs that actually do anything to fight it.

      To be partisan, I would personally recognize dems as slightly better than R's who brought us Citizen's United to begin with, but ignore that if it distracts from doing something about it.

    15. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous. Campaign contributions shouldn't be considered speech, either. These campaign contributions are tantamount to bribery. The wealth is cleverly spread around to guarantee the support of whoever gets elected, regardless of party. There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions. Require that donations be placed by individuals through non-partisan government agencies. Those agencies can then be responsible for providing the money to individuals candidates, without revealing the donors. Stop the bribery.

      And there is only one way to do this, afaik.

    16. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a corporation isn't a legal person then how is it to enter into contracts? That's what legal personhood for corporations is all about. It has nothing to do with political speech. If a corporation is not a legal person able to enter into a contract that means that there is no one to contract with. Insulating corporate officers and stockholders from the legal liability of a defaulted contract has always been the purpose of corporation charters. In order for that to work the corporation must be a legal person able to sign contracts or there is no purpose to incorporation.
      Now you might feel that corporations shouldn't exist. That's fine. But if corporations should exist and have a place in the economy then legal personhood is a requirement.

    17. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      the internet now allows any moron to say whatever they want for almost nothing. There is no need to spend billions to get your ideas across.

      The Internet is lots of small, self-selected audiences. If you want to get your message to the large numbers of people required to have even a whisper of influence on voter opinion, you have to either buy air time, buy ad space or buy control of editorial decision making.

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    18. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand how so many people can be outraged by this much money flying around, yet seldom do they contribute to the orgs that actually do anything to fight it.

      The most outraged are the ones that lack the funds to participate. So they can't afford to fund fighting it either.

      If you can buy a politician and get results, the status quo suits you.

    19. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that the US allows corporate and union donations you are ill-informed. Why does it seem that the people least informed are most likely to act? Generally in irrational ways.

      To be Partisan, I would recognize that dems tend to be well meaning but horribly ill-informed on many issues that is the current fashionable outrage.

      Section 203 restricts corporations and labor unions from funding electioneering communications from their general funds except under certain specific circumstances, e.g., get-out-the-vote campaigns.

      https://www.loc.gov/law/help/c...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    20. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why the more moneyed candidate lost the last POTUS election?

    21. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by barrygrommit · · Score: 1

      The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous..

      Agreed. If "corporations are people", then they should be capable of serving prison terms. And, who, you ask would actually go to jail? The people who run the company: all senior executives AND the Board of Directors.

    22. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that? Unions carry many more votes than the people who own corporations. If a large union said we are going to vote this way that should have much more sway than the CEO of company doing so.

      Are you counting shareholders in the number of voters who own corporations?

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    23. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Logical response, although if they lack funds, they can still contribute time. My complaint includes the comments in this story, so you can't say they don't have time.

    24. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      If you think that the US allows corporate and union donations you are ill-informed. Why does it seem that the people least informed are most likely to act? Generally in irrational ways.

      To be Partisan, I would recognize that dems tend to be well meaning but horribly ill-informed on many issues that is the current fashionable outrage.

      Section 203 restricts corporations and labor unions from funding electioneering communications from their general funds except under certain specific circumstances, e.g., get-out-the-vote campaigns.

      https://www.loc.gov/law/help/c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I'm sorry, you seem ... heh ... very misinformed. Section 203 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act is exactly what was overthrown by the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Your first link talks about Citizens United, but doesn't seem to mention the final decision. Your 2nd link is the BCRA that ended up being overturned. That's why Citizens v FEC was so important. Notice your first link doesn't mention any decision after September 9, 2009, when I think the final decision was handed down in January 2010.

      Wikipedia - Citizens majority opion
      Wikipedia - Citizens political impact

      The Citizens United ruling "opened the door" for unlimited election spending by corporations, but most of this spending has "ended up being funneled through the groups that have become known as super PACs... , political action committees which make no financial contributions to candidates or parties, and so can accept unlimited contributions from individuals, corporations and unions.

      If you have to use loc.gov, I didn't immediately find the final decision, but here's an article that really does talk about the decision, and it's from 2010.

      Abstract: In Citizens United, the Supreme Court relaxed the ability of corporations to spend money on elections, rejecting a shareholder-protection rationale for restrictions on spending

  3. motive=results never fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cease fire stand down,, there's moms & babys in every town.. perspect along: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvtJPs8IDgU

  4. Smart Move by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    It never hurts to own the people who are making the laws, and I predict that after a thorough investigation, Markie will get a congressional Medal of Honor

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    1. Re:Smart Move by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Give me control of a planet's oxygen supply, and I don't care who makes the laws.

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    2. Re:Smart Move by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It never hurts to own the people who are making the laws

      There is a principle about business I learned decades ago: Give campaign donations to the political parties in power. Since they change frequently, give small but regular campaign donations to all the politicians.

      This happens from the smallest mom-and-pop shops up through the megacorps. If you eventually want a favor --- and the larger the company is the more favors it wants --- you can point out that you've been a contributor to their campaigns for many years. The business doesn't have to agree with their policies nor even like the person. It also doesn't need to be much. For a local business it might be $10 per year to each group, so perhaps $100/year total. For some influence at the state level perhaps $1000 spread around 20 people and groups. Small investment each year for the ability to say "You can see in the books I've given you money for fifteen years, I'd like some help with a political problem...".

      Give to all the political parties over your geographical control, and you'll have a say in policy. Call it owning them, call it influence, call it gaining some power over your destiny. Whatever you call it, millennia of history show consistently putting a small amount to all the politicians is a wise business move.

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    3. Re:Smart Move by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give to all the political parties over your geographical control, and you'll have a say in policy. Call it owning them, call it influence, call it gaining some power over your destiny. Whatever you call it, millennia of history show consistently putting a small amount to all the politicians is a wise business move.

      It's called baksheesh.

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    4. Re:Smart Move by rhazz · · Score: 1

      The next top-level post has the correct term.

  5. Donations? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

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    1. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In most other civilised countries, it is STILL called corruption today.

      Any member who had received any "donation" should withdraw from the committee due to conflict of interest. The fact that none did is a testament to how corrupt America is.

    2. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

      But then we passed legislation which legalized these actions - so it's all good now.

      However, if I were to point out that everything Hitler did was legal under German law at the time, someone would likely take exception to that assertion - so there's that.

    3. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only corruption if these people make any decisions related to Facebook, or don't excuse themselves on every vote they make related to the issue. Maybe, just maybe they could have tried to ask their backup committee members to take over this one..

    4. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In most other civilised countries, it is STILL called corruption today."

      citation needed.

    5. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only corruption if these people make any decisions related to Facebook, or don't excuse themselves on every vote they make related to the issue.

      Really? So, if they don't do their job and let Facebook off by asking softball questions, that's not corruption? In which universe would that be?

    6. Re:Donations? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It still is called corruption by anybody that understands how societies work. It is the cancer that corrodes a society.

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    7. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. PACs have been around for longer than a few decades. McCain Feingold was only passed in 2002 and somewhat done in by Citizens United in 2010. Other campaign finance laws are still on the books. You're pithy comment is not insightful or intelligent.

    8. Re:Donations? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

      But then we passed legislation...

      WE? Oh you mean the legislators getting paid off passed legislation allowing themselves to take bribes legally. That's not we.

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    9. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A few" is not limited to two or three and that still doesn't make it right.

    10. Re:Donations? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      WE? Oh you mean the legislators getting paid off passed legislation allowing themselves to take bribes legally. That's not we.

      We are responsible for stopping them. If we don't, and especially if we put them in office, then I'm afraid it is we.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    11. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung raided in political corruption probe
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37904802

      among others...

    12. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no corruption. Only crooked Hilary.

    13. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if I don't vote for Corrupty McFucktaco for decades on end, the other party might win, and then we will all die!

    14. Re:Donations? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

      I didn't realize the US had just invented campaign donations.

      This has been going on forever, if you're a major corporation you donate as much you can to any legislator who can plausibly influence their company. It is a very corrupt idea, though to be honest it probably doesn't matter. Legislators aren't dumb, they know Google donates to both sides and is limited by legal limits on donations, $7k really isn't that much.

      The real cause for concern isn't the $7 million in donations since (2007)*, it's the $52 million Facebook spend lobbying since '09, and the $11 million spent lobbying this year.

      A slick lobbyist giving a presentation is way more likely to sway a legislator than a relatively small number on their campaign donations form.

      * Is it just me or does the USA Today article massively suck in communicating the numbers. I know both Facebook's PAC and its employees gave donations but there's no indication on whether the article is counting the employee donations in its numbers. And half the numbers don't even include a time range do you don't know if it's a donation in a single year or aggregated over multiple cycles, it's just like the reporter wanted to type "million" as much as they could.

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    15. Re:Donations? by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It happens just as much in other civilized countries, the only difference in the US the people can see the "donations" and the companies can use them as tax write-offs.

    16. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We feel powerless to stop this process. I think that means we're responsible but not culpable and that makes us feel much better.

    17. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they shouldn't have taken those contributions, or after taking those contributions selected to serve on a committee with the conflict of interest.

    18. Re:Donations? by DASH-8HYPHEN-8 · · Score: 1

      Samsung raided in political corruption probe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/busi...

      among others...

      False equivalence. The S. Korea scandal is about extortion, perjury, and money laundering in the billions.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The facebook contributions, while so much political contributions feel slimey, seems to have been done legally through reporting to the US federal election commission.

    19. Re:Donations? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      It still is called corruption by anybody that understands how societies work. It is the cancer that corrodes a society.

      So much outrage over corruption, is anyone of you complaining actually doing something about it? The least of which might be to contribute to causes that get money out of politics.

    20. Re:Donations? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      It might feel slimey, but I believe it's legal. Anyone that's outraged, at all, should be contributing to causes that get money out of politics. Or maybe support the candidates that take the least donations.

    21. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proof? And if any, were they arrested and condemned?

      You are either delusional or a liar.

    22. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the beginning it was a corruption. In time this gets replaced by corrupted. Nowadays it is just business as usual.

      Your system underwent it's corruption a long time ago after your forefathers tried to stomp it out. Bribery will always be bribery, no matter which political campaign you "donate" to.

    23. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant America, not your.

    24. Re:Donations? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In civilized countries that's still what it's called. The very idea of "campaign contributions" is pretty much this.

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    25. Re: Donations? by Camarillo+Brillo · · Score: 1

      That was about as insightful as a fart in a crowded elevator

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  7. More Popcorn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    munch ! this facebook show is really cool to watch

  8. The problem with "legal bribery"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is it right here.

  9. Order the Whitewash. 10Gallons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for each member who recieved $$$ from FleeceBook.

  10. Re:Fuck Zuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because the little fag can't find his own.

  11. Corruption like this kills a society by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Corruption removes control mechanisms and allows unchecked and unrestricted use of power. This allows those without morals and without loyalty to their society (current case is a nice example) to eventually take over most of the running of society, and, since they have no stake in it, its destruction.

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    1. Re:Corruption like this kills a society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The founders of the US were very sensitive to corruption, but extremely blind to the power of domestic economics over the wishes of the population. Although the Constitution has a lot to say about inter-government corruption and foreign corruption, their only solution to this was really the thought that people would vote them out. Of all of the parts of history they chose to learn from (e.,g. ancient Rome etc.) - the one they forgot/didn't fully understand, was the Magna Carta.

      The lesson of Magna Carta is actually simple - in order to regulate and limit the political power of a ruler/government over its country, you first limit and regulate the economic relationship between the two. Unfortunately, the US isn't the only country to truly fail to learn this lesson - the UK seems to have forgotten it, too.

    2. Re:Corruption like this kills a society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their only solution to this was really the thought that people would vote them out.

      Actually, no, it wan't the only solution they thought of.

      However, the corrupt politicians have been attempting to restrict and limit the other solution for decades.

      That solution is also the solution of last resort and not to be undertaken lightly or frivolously.

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  13. Fun Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >The average Republican got $6,800, while the average Democrat got $6,750.

    Remember this when you think corporations are on your side.

    1. Re:Fun Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The average Republican got $6,800, while the average Democrat got $6,750.
      Remember this when you think either political party is on your side.
      FTFY

    2. Re:Fun Facts by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why should you only pay one side of The Party?

      It's like playing red and black at roulette. Only that the payout is better than 1:1 and that zero can't come.

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  14. Good catch, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'll wait and see if this actually makes any difference. It's good that SOMEONE is looking out for this kinda thing and actually pointing it out to people, but just because we're aware of it, doesn't mean anything'll actually come about.

  15. Not much by dabadab · · Score: 1

    So they have received about 800 USD / year?

    I was not aware that members of a congressional committee come so cheap.

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    1. Re:Not much by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Whores ain't as expensive as many people think.

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  16. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's no wonder the US is broken.

    Your government is corrupt to it's core.

  17. Legalized bribery by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 1

    We need to fix the funding of our political system or just accept bribery as the political norm.

    1. Re:Legalized bribery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to Russia. Bribery and corruption is a way of life there, in all forms.

    2. Re:Legalized bribery by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      We need to fix the funding of our political system or just accept bribery as the political norm.

      I've found the only realistic first step is contribute to causes that get money out of politics. Then support their candidates. I think there's other orgs that do it, that's just my favorite.

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  20. Can't by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    The Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case. This can only be undone with an amendment to the constitution. Good luck accomplishing that in today's political climate.

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    1. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liar.
      Citizens United said nothing about "corporations are people". It said that people have the right to free speech, and that right doesn't go away when they cooperate with each other, or when they pool resources.

      Look, when the ACLU says that Citizens United was a good ruling, you've really got to question why you oppose that.

    2. Re:Can't by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Well, not really. In fact, not at all.

      The ruling was clear that it was based on federal law making corporations "people" and that congress was free to modify that law. Until then, corporations are, when not exempted by law, people and, as such, have the same rights to freedom of speech as individuals.

      Nothing in the constitution deals with corporations in any way. They exist only as congress has decreed and are a legal means of creating a synthetic person for legal purposes.

      Note: IANAL!

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    3. Re:Can't by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      So no one is allowed to disagree with the ACLU?

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    4. Re:Can't by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case. This can only be undone with an amendment to the constitution. Good luck accomplishing that in today's political climate.

      Agreed it'll be difficult, but here is the only way to do it, afaik: https://represent.us/

    5. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ACLU is the best organization for freedom of speech on the planet. They support freedom of speech, expression, and the press in all circumstances, in favor of the People, rather than the government or corporations.

      When you oppose the ACLU on free speech issues, you are flat out saying that you do NOT WANT free speech - you want censorship on your terms.

    6. Re:Can't by lgw · · Score: 1

      he Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case.

      Oft-repeated, but simply false. Corporation are only people in the sense that laws that restrict people also restrict corporations by default. Nothing to do with Citizens United.

      The Citizens United case established just one thing: the owners of a closely-held corporation (all the owners know each other, nothing like Facebook) have the same rights as the owners of a partnership. You know the Citizens United corporation existed only to fund a film critical of Hillary, right? It wasn't in some public business, it existed only to criticize the government.

      The more interesting general point is that the government should never be in the business of determining whether a company is or is not "the press", because as technology evolves any simple definition would become obsolete, and in general it's a power ripe for abuse. If the Washing Post corporation, owned by Americas richest man, can publish political advocacy pieces, as is clearly protected by the First Amendment, how should the government decide which other corproations have that right? The party in power would find ways to exclude the types of corporations that mostly donate to the other party from having that right.

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    7. Re:Can't by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And as soon as I can shoot a corporation in the face and it ceases to exist I'll accept that decision.

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  21. The best democracy money can buy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people are worried about Russia interfering?

  22. I'm reminded of Bill Gates and President Clinton by Babel-17 · · Score: 0

    He more or less suggested the United States needed such an entrepreneur free so as to work his magic for the economy. Bill Gates had the wisdom and foresight to conceal nothing, and not lie about anything, when Microsoft got caught trying to impede Netscape's presence on the Windows desktop, and was finally held to account (albeit imperfectly). Let's see if Zuckerberg shows equal wisdom, or is placing his bet on being less accountable today than Bill Gates was back then. He's wealthier than Gates was, and already a huge philanthropist, so that could be the case given how things work these days.

  23. I want a bribe too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Zuck pulls a dump truck full of "speech" up on my front lawn I will also throw him some softest of softball questions.
    'Mr Zuckerberg, if you were going to be a tree what kind of tree would be?"

    I will not even mention William Randolph Hearst or personally picking Presidents.

  24. A 55 person committee? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no way a consensus is going to be had with 55 people on the committee. Sounds more like a photo opportunity than something designed to accomplish anything.

    1. Re:A 55 person committee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet they arranged the details via their Facebook pages.

    2. Re:A 55 person committee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This!

  25. net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an illustration of the folly of the dream that government will fix all our problems if we give it more power to regulate us.

    This is exactly the sort of garbage that would be going on with oversight and regulation of the internet after a decade of net neutrality - when government is big and has its burueacratic fingers into EVERYTHING, there's too much for the average citizen to pay attention to. Big companies with a direct interest and lots of money, however, will have lobbyists that study congress and tell their employers who to give "campaign contributions" to.

    Who NEVER has lobbyists giving to the right politicians?
    (a) small startup companies trying to enter the marketplace.
    (b) individual citizens.

    Watch what happens here. Zuck will probably be supportive of new regulations (which his now huge and rich company can easily afford to comply with and will be written by people he has given money to). The congressmen will pretend to be critical of their paymaster, but nothing bad will actually happen to Mr Facebook - they need his cash for the next election.

    Best to free-up the marketplace to allow all competitors in, eliminate the reasons for "campaign contributions", and end the farce of phony oversight; return the federal government to what it was designed to be: much smaller and only involved in critical national things like diplomacy, the military, patents and currency etc. With the feds involved in fewer things, the people will have an easier time keeping an eye on them, corruption will be much easier to spot, and politicians will lose the ability to say "sure you hate my position on policy X, but you NEED me for my position of policies Y and Z" (which is how they play is in every election while they have their fingers in hundreds of things).

    1. Re:net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When you have a government that is basically owned by corporations, then yes. You shouldn't expect them to fix the problems caused by corporations running your country...

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    2. Re:net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're equating common-sense, well-tested regulation like net neutrality (based on common carrier laws that have been around for a LONG time and have worked well) with regulatory capture. It's a logical fallacy of false equivalency and it's certifiable bullshit. This solution should not be to destroy our government, but to reform it so that we can get back to common-sense regulation and ditch the regulatory capture.

  26. You'll have to stop getting people to vote by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for crooks first. And while people hate the crooks in other states, they seem to like _their_ crook.

    I'd like to see a movement to get people to refuse to vote for anyone who takes corporate PAC money. But then we just elected a Pres who in turn handed the FCC over to a guy that let one media company buy up each and every local news station.

    Also, I couldn't even find the original video for the above link. I had to settle for an article on Vox.

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  27. Two options by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    either wait until we can pack the Supreme Court with left wing candidates (good luck with that) or call a Constitutional Convention. And my God, good luck with _that_. The same folks who bribe everyone bribed the State legislatures.

    The only real hope is to show up to your primary and vote for Bernie Sanders style candidates who refuse corporate PAC money. Your votes count in your primary more because so few people show up for them. And yes, this means voting for the Ds. I don't know of a single Republican who's refused corporate PAC money. Well, there's this guy.

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    1. Re:Two options by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 1

      A left-leaning SCOTUS is far off. Candidates like Sanders are more populist than realist, like Trump. I'd rather have government supported campaigns and absolutely no outside money. Money is not speech. People can print their own pamphlets and buy their own ads with their own individual names on it. None of this corporate shit. If a newspaper wants to publish their views anonymously for no money, that's fine too. However, money-driven politics are a disaster.

  28. Democracy is done here now, right? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong? Democracy is done here now, right?

  29. phil / ...phile... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    anything to do with Zuck, I'd watch my wallet, my back, my security status, my junk mail, and maybe my kids...

    1. Re:phil / ...phile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to. Facebook is already watching them for you.

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  31. Facebook run by bigots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    story

    They decided to block a couple of black women on Facebook fore being a "Danger to Society". Where they advocating "punching a facist", or civil war (like the owner of Twitter just did)? Nope. They expressed that they like Trump, and since they are black and Trump supporters they must be blocked.

    “The Policy team has came to the conclusion that your content and your brand has been determined unsafe to the community.”

    I've seen these women a few times, and they are quite entertaining, but don't even come close to inciting violence like AntiFa.

    What a fucked up situation where being a bigot in Silicon Valley is now acceptable, and Trump reducing black unemployment to historic lows is unacceptable and Pelosi is running on reversing this. Looks like the DNC is full bore bigots now.

    1. Re: Facebook run by bigots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No sources because it was on Breitbart I suspect.

      Nice hyperbole, ivan.

    2. Re: Facebook run by bigots by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Are you a total fuckwit? He included a link, which wasn't Breitbart, and that does give the (professional) names of the ladies involved. Which can be used in conjunction with an internet search engine to find a large number of stories on this subject.

      Learn how to read and how to use the fucking internet before you start spouting utter fucking bollocks.

  32. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That just makes them smart. Leave it to the Slashdot.Org libtards to turn this into a fake controversy.

  33. Ban the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The origin of government is warlords. People became "king" because they conquered and subjected others. It's the same today, just wrapped up in different packaging.

    Government is the enemy of freedom, peace, and prosperity, and it exists primarily for the enrichment and glorification of its members set the expense of everyone else.

  34. Misguided and unhelpful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's another storm in a teacup brewed by people with nothing else better to do. Repeat after me: nobody must use social media. They're toys. Hobbies. If you choose to surrender your private life in exchange for nothing to Facebook or Twitter or what have you, that's not their problem. What we need instead is a committee that'll question people on why they're so stupid.

  35. Voters are dumb and democracy is a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." - H. L. Mencken

  36. Hear, hear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with all of this. Wish I had mod points to give you.

  37. Corruption is a global problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a hilarious notion. You clearly aren't aware of how non-American organizations like the UN, EU, and IMF and other organizations move trillions of dollars around to prop up their crony schemes.

  38. non-partisan government agencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You lost me at "non-partisan government agencies"

    As the FBI and DOJ and NSA and EPA and IRS and a heap of other alphabet allegedly 'non-partisan government agencies' have already demonstrated, even the government agency assigned to the task of preventing non-partisanship cannot be trusted to be non-partisan.

    I like the first part of the solution though, very simple. Ban corporate campaign contributions. That's a great start!

  39. Ponies by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

    Everyone on here sees the same problem: money in politics. But in the fifteen 3+ posts, not one. single. solution. Saying "we need to take the money out of politics" does not actually do a darn thing to take the money out of politics. Voting by yourself doesn't do it, there's another popular mantra "my vote doesn't matter, waahh."

    How about we actually do something? https://represent.us/

  40. Citizens United v. FEC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reversing Citizens United v. FEC should be a bipartisan priority. That is the root of all evil in American Politics today. But it is easier to rail against Immigrants instead. So let's continue doing that.

  41. So what? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    Am I missing something, or this trying to invent a scandal where none exists? They're including contribution from Facebook employees. Facebook currently has about 25,000 employees who undoubtedly give money to all sorts of causes. Most of the recipients probably have no idea where the donors work. And we're talking about really small amounts of money. $6000 over ten years wouldn't come anywhere close to making you a major donor even if you gave all that money yourself. But more likely it's a whole bunch of donations, most of them under $100, coming from a bunch of people who just happen to work for Facebook. Do you think a senator knows the identifies of the thousands of people who send small donations to their campaigns, or what companies they work for?

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  42. Easy money by Camarillo+Brillo · · Score: 1

    Yes indeed America has the best politicians that money can buy!

  43. Those numbers are depressingly low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish it cost more to grease a palm at the Federal level. Currently, we are just giving it away.

  44. Elon is Evil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Part of me wonders whether Musk truly believes AI to be a threat, or if he’s just trolling the Silicon Valley flavor-of-the-month set.

    If people cared about what I thought, I'd be fucking with you block-chain talkin’, “raw” water drinking, pretentious, hipster-douches, too.

  45. His appearance by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Question is, will Zuck show up as an immature little asshole like he normally does or actually dress like an adult. He runs an international business, he should drop the immature act and act his age. Maybe they'll actually listen to him. Look at how real men dress, like Martin Luther King with his movement, Bill Gates when he testified, Meg Whitman when she shows up in public, etc.