wow, I was unware that "female" and "male" had become somehow worse than "man and woman". Sure you are not just being arbitrary or engaging in political correctness?
Got a link to any credible site that suggests using the terms female and male have become incorrect?
My reasoning is that females do well at spatial reasoning based on their experiences. Males do well on spatial reasoning based ontheir experiences.
The IQ test questions are exclusively based on spatial reasoning based on predomininately male activities.
I have yet to see one test question based on laying out a pattern on to a couple yards of cloth the most effective way. I've sewn clothing - but very few males have. A lot more females have. Joann fabric is full of women - men are rare.
But no questions about laying out a pattern to minimize the cost of fabric.
I think you are being equally predudiced to ignore reality and say women don't do the dishes more (as numerous studies have shown) and cook more (as numerous studies have shown) and clean house more (again. numerous studies).
So which is it? Do women do more cooking and cleaning and have more experience? Or do men now do half the cooking and cleaning and I should expect them to be just as proficient as women?
Of course some females play with lego blocks. My daughter did. That's why I used the word "most" and perhaps i should have said "in my generation" because in my daughter's generation it may be different. She DID play with legos. (and I had her doing basic calculus before she was out of elementary school).
My point that this form of spatial testing depends entirely on your childhood toys and culturalization holds.
There's no need for the hostility. This is an informal discussion and generalities are allowed. If we had to fully qualify every exception to our statements, they would be unreadable and much too long.
the "dumbass" comment is probably what got you modded down actually.
Use your brain. THINK. Dont' just react emotionally. You were off to a good start with counter examples then you had to get all sarcastic and hostile.
not productive.
I do see your point. It doesn't change the point that intelligence tests are not testing intelligence when the toys you played with results in passing or failing an entire swath of questions.
Men supposedly have better spatial reasoning based on the tests of manipulating blocks or gears in space.
But this is a culturally relative test.
Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.
Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male.
These are both spatial reasoning puzzles which are more complex than those given on tests.
Females have spatial reasoning- most of them just didn't play with lego blocks.
The tests are biased to men. That's why men have "superior" spatial reasoning.
The question is why then did zimmerman talk calmly to 911 on the phone for over a minute after losing Martin? Why didn't zimmerman say, "Oh I see him again to 911?".
Martin couldn't have been in plain sight. Martin had a long time to move the short distance to his house. Yet he didn't.
Since when does asking someone what they are doing in your neighborhood authorize you to beat them?
When after we are five years old is it okay to start hitting someone who isn't touching you?
Is zimmerman suspicious? Yup. Is zimmerman a premeditated murderer? Very hard to believe. Was zimmerman being soundly beaten? It looks like he was.
Perhaps he started something he shouldn't have. But I'd have a hard time convicting him of murder.
It looks like the fight club video has been discredited in the time while I stopped following this case.
And martin was 5'11", 158lb, not 6'2. He was atheltic while zimmerman was pudgy at best, carrying a lot of fat, and from the 911 call was winded and catching his breath after running a short distance.
I said it in another post-- zimmerman should not have been carrying a gun while on watch.
The rest of my parent post still appears to be valid. Esp the timeline of the map+911 call and locations putting Martin about 300' from home and then Zimmerman talking calmly to 911 for over a minute without mentioning seeing Martin again. I only see to valid reasons for that. Martin was hiding on a porch or bushes very near by or Martin came back.
Wow- don't see the troll mod for your post even tho I think your position is really exaggerated from reality.
From the way things are going, without the guns this would have been a severe beating of a overweight older guy by an athletic younger guy. Guns are an equalizer.
So if Travon stood his ground and was beating a losing Zimmerman, would Zimmerman be able to shoot in self defense for fear of his life or severe injury?
It seems like your statement would provide innocence to Travon but not negate Zimmerman's.
The police report says 6'0 and 160. The autopsy says 5'11" and 158 pounds. It's possible both of those are accurate due to post death changes but 5'11" and 158 is good enough to address the folks saying Zimmerman had 100#'s on Martin.
I did some more research and the fight video from 8 months ago appears to have been discredited in the mean time.
Martin was fit and Zimmerman was still overweight and probably would have been 160 or less if he'd been as fit as martin. Probably less as Zimmerman was several inches shorter.
185-158 = 27 pounds and 4" shorter. And out of shape.
Travion martin was an athlete, fit and Zimmerman was pudgy and in bad shape.
And the stalking included talking on the phone to 911, standing still. Read the transcript. Zimmerman stopped immediately when 911 told him to stop. He didn't move again while on the phone. Travon had plenty of time to cover the 300' to his house unless he was hiding very close to Zimmerman.
It is not okay or legal to start punching someone for following you and asking you questions.
If you are on your back and afraid someone is beating you to death, and you shoot them, it's self defense.
We'll know more facts when the trial happens. It's tragic.
Before you start in with the 100lbs lighter, do a little research.
Zimmerman's "history of violence" was an argument with his girlfriend. Both of them had restraining orders put on them to keep them away from each other.
He did lie about the money. He did carry a gun on watch when he shouldn't.
However, Zimmerman STOPPED when 911 told him not to pursue. ANd then he talked calmly on the phone with 911 for over a minute after losing travon and then after that was on top of Zimmerman beating Zimmerman.
Had not heard about the work schedule yet. Will have to google that.
He won't get off because it was a black kid up to know good. If Zimmerman's found innocent, it will be cause there's a reasonable doubt that he was afraid for his life because it looks like a 17 year old athletic guy was beating the hell out of Zimmerman. And Travon is on video in a fist fighting club.
Travon had over a minute to travel 300' to his house and go inside- but instead a couple minutes after Zimmerman lost him, he's on top of Zimmerman apparently rendering a severe beating.
From the fact that Zimmerman lost track of Travon for over a minute and continued to talk calmly to 911 and the fact that Travon was under 300' from his house and was still not there over a minute later after 911 hung up and the fact Travon was on video in a fist fight club and the fact of the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head And the fact of Zimmerman's beat up face...
means i have reasonable doubt that zimmerman "started" anything. I've been on a civil jury and two criminal juries. I've found people guilty and innocent beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond a preponderance of doubt.
Standing there talking on the phone to 911 isn't whipping a tiger. Asking a 17 year old what he's doing in the neighborhood isn't whipping the tiger.
Maybe more facts will come out in a trial.
But even if Zimmerman hit or held Travon does not negate the self defense killing if he was being beaten with Travon on top of him which is what the witnesses seemed to be saying. We'll see what they say when they are under oath.
There is a lot of other evidence which might come out in the trial too.
Based on what's been out there so far, I could not convince Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt. I have a reasonable doubt that Travon was beating Zimmerman severely and Zimmerman shot Travon in self defense.
And evidence that Trayvon was in a fight club would give credence to the zimmermans statements that trayvon was winning a physical fight with him and travon beating the hell out of him.
A fit 6'2 17 year old who fist fought for sport could credibly get an out of shape heavier man afraid for his life.
If you look at the 911 calls and peg the locations to the maps- Travon- was last seen over a minute only 300' from his house. It takes about 20 seconds to cover that distance. Zimmerman continues talking to 911 for about a minute after last seeing Travon with no evidence he had seen Travon again yet.
Travon didn't go home. It's possible he got pissed off and returned to the scene.
The main scenario where Zimmerman could be guilty and culpable is if Travon had been hiding and zimmerman spots him and goes over and puts his hands on travon to attempt to detain him.
If on the other hand Travon got pissed that Zimmerman was following him, they exchanged heated words and travon attacked first- then zimmer man killed in self defense. You don't hit other people. You don't key their cars. If there is a problem, you call the police. Travon could have called the police and said someone was following him.
17 year olds are unfortunately adults in body but unwise children in temperament and logical thinking.
This situation is tragic but if I were on the jury, based on the evidence I've seen so far, I'd have reasonable doubt. And in america, you have to prove people are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal trials.
There is nothing inherently wrong with gasoline. The problem is the millions of years of carbon being released very quickly into th atmosphere.
A "net zero" gasoline production would be green.
In fact, a net negative carbon production would also be bad. You could end up with too little carbon in the atmosphere if there were some wildly successful and profitable process to directly turn carbon dioxide into carbon fiber material used in construction and manufacture.
Batteries are not a requirement. They could use capaciters to smooth the load and not work at night or on stormy days. The process probably doesnot require many workers.
I'd like to compare the total costs to hemp and other plant oils first tho.
lol.. the parent is a 5 and this one was moderated to a 0.
I'm probably being unfair. This religion only represents about 1/6 of the worlds population and is the likely religion of the parent poster. There are probably many religions which are actually against rape.
Perhaps BOTH atheists and religious people were gunning for it.
This rape is commanded and approved by the deity and major priests.
Don't get me started on what they do to "suckling babes" who don't follow the religion. It's not pretty. The character Yahweh is one evil, psychotic, amoral, sadistic, narcissitic bastard and/or he considers humans to be about as important as we consider ants. I have no problem kicking over an ant hill.
Then again, I don't talk to them and control their affairs on a personal basis either.
(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
I'm probably being unfair. This religion only represents about 1/6 of the worlds population and is the likely religion of the parent poster. There are probably many religions which are actually against rape.
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They laid off our american staff and replaced us with indians from INFOSYS.
We asked- how can they do this on H1B Visas?
Ney ney ney. Not H1B Visas. They are legally employees of Infosys working in the US temporarily. Doesn't even require an H1B Visa.
wow, I was unware that "female" and "male" had become somehow worse than "man and woman". Sure you are not just being arbitrary or engaging in political correctness?
Got a link to any credible site that suggests using the terms female and male have become incorrect?
My reasoning is that females do well at spatial reasoning based on their experiences. Males do well on spatial reasoning based ontheir experiences.
The IQ test questions are exclusively based on spatial reasoning based on predomininately male activities.
I have yet to see one test question based on laying out a pattern on to a couple yards of cloth the most effective way. I've sewn clothing - but very few males have. A lot more females have. Joann fabric is full of women - men are rare.
But no questions about laying out a pattern to minimize the cost of fabric.
I think you are being equally predudiced to ignore reality and say women don't do the dishes more (as numerous studies have shown) and cook more (as numerous studies have shown) and clean house more (again. numerous studies).
So which is it? Do women do more cooking and cleaning and have more experience? Or do men now do half the cooking and cleaning and I should expect them to be just as proficient as women?
not sure why your post was modded to zero.
Of course some females play with lego blocks. My daughter did. That's why I used the word "most" and perhaps i should have said "in my generation" because in my daughter's generation it may be different. She DID play with legos. (and I had her doing basic calculus before she was out of elementary school).
My point that this form of spatial testing depends entirely on your childhood toys and culturalization holds.
There's no need for the hostility. This is an informal discussion and generalities are allowed. If we had to fully qualify every exception to our statements, they would be unreadable and much too long.
the "dumbass" comment is probably what got you modded down actually.
Use your brain. THINK. Dont' just react emotionally. You were off to a good start with counter examples then you had to get all sarcastic and hostile.
not productive.
I do see your point. It doesn't change the point that intelligence tests are not testing intelligence when the toys you played with results in passing or failing an entire swath of questions.
Actually - current girlfriend is much better at these spatial tests than I am.
Perhaps for the 20 year old females coming up, they would suck at these tests.
I'm sure "house husbands" would excel at them.
The basic point that this kind of intelligence test is culturally relative and not a true test of intelligence still holds.
Men supposedly have better spatial reasoning based on the tests of manipulating blocks or gears in space.
But this is a culturally relative test.
Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.
Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male.
These are both spatial reasoning puzzles which are more complex than those given on tests.
Females have spatial reasoning- most of them just didn't play with lego blocks.
The tests are biased to men. That's why men have "superior" spatial reasoning.
Agreed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2866084/posts
There is a google map here.
The question is why then did zimmerman talk calmly to 911 on the phone for over a minute after losing Martin? Why didn't zimmerman say, "Oh I see him again to 911?".
Martin couldn't have been in plain sight. Martin had a long time to move the short distance to his house. Yet he didn't.
Since when does asking someone what they are doing in your neighborhood authorize you to beat them?
When after we are five years old is it okay to start hitting someone who isn't touching you?
Is zimmerman suspicious? Yup. Is zimmerman a premeditated murderer? Very hard to believe. Was zimmerman being soundly beaten? It looks like he was.
Perhaps he started something he shouldn't have. But I'd have a hard time convicting him of murder.
If the 17 year old were rational- yup.
But from the wounds on the back of zimmerman's head and the way his face was puffed up like a balloon-he got a severe beat down.
An undrawn, unseen gun doesn't stop fights from starting.
But the timing of the 911 call transcript from the point where he lost him to the end of the 911 call was well over a minute.
I haven't seen anything putting Martin on a path to prision.
At worst, I see a hot headed action by a 17 year old.
Do you have some kind of linkable evidence to support a claim he was prison bound?
It looks like the fight club video has been discredited in the time while I stopped following this case.
And martin was 5'11", 158lb, not 6'2. He was atheltic while zimmerman was pudgy at best, carrying a lot of fat, and from the 911 call was winded and catching his breath after running a short distance.
I said it in another post-- zimmerman should not have been carrying a gun while on watch.
The rest of my parent post still appears to be valid. Esp the timeline of the map+911 call and locations putting Martin about 300' from home and then Zimmerman talking calmly to 911 for over a minute without mentioning seeing Martin again. I only see to valid reasons for that. Martin was hiding on a porch or bushes very near by or Martin came back.
Wow- don't see the troll mod for your post even tho I think your position is really exaggerated from reality.
From the way things are going, without the guns this would have been a severe beating of a overweight older guy by an athletic younger guy. Guns are an equalizer.
That's an interesting legal point.
So if Travon stood his ground and was beating a losing Zimmerman, would Zimmerman be able to shoot in self defense for fear of his life or severe injury?
It seems like your statement would provide innocence to Travon but not negate Zimmerman's.
I was wrong about 6'2.
The police report says 6'0 and 160. The autopsy says 5'11" and 158 pounds. It's possible both of those are accurate due to post death changes but 5'11" and 158 is good enough to address the folks saying Zimmerman had 100#'s on Martin.
I did some more research and the fight video from 8 months ago appears to have been discredited in the mean time.
Martin was fit and Zimmerman was still overweight and probably would have been 160 or less if he'd been as fit as martin. Probably less as Zimmerman was several inches shorter.
Couple points.
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon-martin-shooting-death-initial-police-reports.html
Travon is 6' and 158-160 pounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
Zimmerman's height is shown as 5â8â and his weight as 185 pounds
185-158 = 27 pounds and 4" shorter. And out of shape.
Travion martin was an athlete, fit and Zimmerman was pudgy and in bad shape.
And the stalking included talking on the phone to 911, standing still. Read the transcript. Zimmerman stopped immediately when 911 told him to stop. He didn't move again while on the phone. Travon had plenty of time to cover the 300' to his house unless he was hiding very close to Zimmerman.
It is not okay or legal to start punching someone for following you and asking you questions.
If you are on your back and afraid someone is beating you to death, and you shoot them, it's self defense.
We'll know more facts when the trial happens.
It's tragic.
Before you start in with the 100lbs lighter, do a little research.
Zimmerman's "history of violence" was an argument with his girlfriend. Both of them had restraining orders put on them to keep them away from each other.
He did lie about the money.
He did carry a gun on watch when he shouldn't.
However, Zimmerman STOPPED when 911 told him not to pursue.
ANd then he talked calmly on the phone with 911 for over a minute after losing travon and then after that was on top of Zimmerman beating Zimmerman.
Had not heard about the work schedule yet. Will have to google that.
He won't get off because it was a black kid up to know good.
If Zimmerman's found innocent, it will be cause there's a reasonable doubt that he was afraid for his life because it looks like a 17 year old athletic guy was beating the hell out of Zimmerman. And Travon is on video in a fist fighting club.
Travon had over a minute to travel 300' to his house and go inside- but instead a couple minutes after Zimmerman lost him, he's on top of Zimmerman apparently rendering a severe beating.
It's definitely a possibility. I can't say "more likely" but I can say possible.
But possible (and even more likely) doesn't convict zimmerman of 1st or 2nd degree murder or manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt.
From the fact that Zimmerman lost track of Travon for over a minute
and continued to talk calmly to 911
and the fact that Travon was under 300' from his house and was still not there over a minute later after 911 hung up
and the fact Travon was on video in a fist fight club
and the fact of the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head
And the fact of Zimmerman's beat up face...
means i have reasonable doubt that zimmerman "started" anything. I've been on a civil jury and two criminal juries. I've found people guilty and innocent beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond a preponderance of doubt.
Standing there talking on the phone to 911 isn't whipping a tiger.
Asking a 17 year old what he's doing in the neighborhood isn't whipping the tiger.
Maybe more facts will come out in a trial.
But even if Zimmerman hit or held Travon does not negate the self defense killing if he was being beaten with Travon on top of him which is what the witnesses seemed to be saying. We'll see what they say when they are under oath.
There is a lot of other evidence which might come out in the trial too.
Based on what's been out there so far, I could not convince Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt. I have a reasonable doubt that Travon was beating Zimmerman severely and Zimmerman shot Travon in self defense.
And evidence that Trayvon was in a fight club would give credence to the zimmermans statements that trayvon was winning a physical fight with him and travon beating the hell out of him.
A fit 6'2 17 year old who fist fought for sport could credibly get an out of shape heavier man afraid for his life.
If you look at the 911 calls and peg the locations to the maps- Travon- was last seen over a minute only 300' from his house. It takes about 20 seconds to cover that distance.
Zimmerman continues talking to 911 for about a minute after last seeing Travon with no evidence he had seen Travon again yet.
Travon didn't go home. It's possible he got pissed off and returned to the scene.
The main scenario where Zimmerman could be guilty and culpable is if Travon had been hiding and zimmerman spots him and goes over and puts his hands on travon to attempt to detain him.
If on the other hand Travon got pissed that Zimmerman was following him, they exchanged heated words and travon attacked first- then zimmer man killed in self defense. You don't hit other people. You don't key their cars. If there is a problem, you call the police. Travon could have called the police and said someone was following him.
17 year olds are unfortunately adults in body but unwise children in temperament and logical thinking.
This situation is tragic but if I were on the jury, based on the evidence I've seen so far, I'd have reasonable doubt. And in america, you have to prove people are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal trials.
hehehe. that's hysterical. wish I had mod points.
There is nothing inherently wrong with gasoline. The problem is the millions of years of carbon being released very quickly into th atmosphere.
A "net zero" gasoline production would be green.
In fact, a net negative carbon production would also be bad. You could end up with too little carbon in the atmosphere if there were some wildly successful and profitable process to directly turn carbon dioxide into carbon fiber material used in construction and manufacture.
Batteries are not a requirement. They could use capaciters to smooth the load and not work at night or on stormy days. The process probably doesnot require many workers.
I'd like to compare the total costs to hemp and other plant oils first tho.
I think nuclear is on the way out.
lol.. the parent is a 5 and this one was moderated to a 0.
I'm probably being unfair. This religion only represents about 1/6 of the worlds population and is the likely religion of the parent poster. There are probably many religions which are actually against rape.
Perhaps BOTH atheists and religious people were gunning for it.
lol.
It's currently a majority but the total is actually about 55% to 56%.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Nice pie chart here.
1.Christianity: 2.1 billion
2.Islam: 1.5 billion
3.Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4.Hinduism: 900 million
5.Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6.Buddhism: 376 million
7.primal-indigenous: 300 million
8.African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9.Sikhism: 23 million
10.Juche: 19 million
11.Spiritism: 15 million
12.Judaism: 14 million
13.Baha'i: 7 million
14.Jainism: 4.2 million
15.Shinto: 4 million
16.Cao Dai: 4 million
17.Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18.Tenrikyo: 2 million
19.Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20.Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21.Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22.Scientology: 500 thousand
This rape is commanded and approved by the deity and major priests.
Don't get me started on what they do to "suckling babes" who don't follow the religion. It's not pretty. The character Yahweh is one evil, psychotic, amoral, sadistic, narcissitic bastard and/or he considers humans to be about as important as we consider ants. I have no problem kicking over an ant hill.
Then again, I don't talk to them and control their affairs on a personal basis either.
(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
I'm probably being unfair. This religion only represents about 1/6 of the worlds population and is the likely religion of the parent poster. There are probably many religions which are actually against rape.