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Are We Getting Smarter? Rising IQ Scores In the Twenty-First Century

hessian sends this excerpt from The New Republic: "[A] person who scored 100 a century ago would score 70 today; a person who tested as average a century ago would today be declared mentally retarded. This bizarre finding — christened the 'Flynn effect' by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray in The Bell Curve — has since snowballed so much supporting evidence that in 2007 Malcolm Gladwell declared in The New Yorker that 'the Flynn effect has moved from theory to fact.' But researchers still cannot agree on why scores are going up. Are we are simply getting better at taking tests? Are the tests themselves a poor measure of intelligence? Or do rising IQ scores really mean we are getting smarter? In spite of his new book's title, Flynn does not suggest a simple yes or no to this last question. It turns out that the greatest gains have taken place in subtests that measure abstract reasoning and pattern recognition, while subtests that depend more on previous knowledge show the lowest score increases. This imbalance may not reflect an increase in general intelligence, Flynn argues, but a shift in particular habits of mind. The question is not, why are we getting smarter, but the much less catchy, why are we getting better at abstract reasoning and little else?"

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  1. Simple... by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have to abstract myself away from shit like Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, Survivor, Jaywalking, etc. The things I hear pass for intelligent conversation now scare and enrage me. I for one do not believe American's at least are getting any smarter.

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    1. Re:Simple... by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think everybody is born dumb. you're either kept dumb or raised in a way that makes you intelligent.

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    2. Re:Simple... by Dupple · · Score: 2

      Similar here. I hardly ever watch TV now apart from documentaries and the BBC news. Popular entertainment seems to consist of shows where a crowd is encouraged to yell and scream at talentless twats or Soap Operas that aim to entertain people with no lives by distracting them with a fictional one.

      Watch, rinse, repeat.

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    3. Re:Simple... by rich_hudds · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can't speak for Americans as I'm English but we are certainly not getting smarter.

      Why would we be getting smarter anyway? It's pretty obvious from reading old Greek or Roman texts that people are pretty much the same now as they've always been. Shakespeare shows that nothing much has changed in England for over 400 years.

      I thought the common explanation was that people are more used to thinking 'abstractly' in Western cultures. That's why people from outside the West still score more lowly even today.

    4. Re:Simple... by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      those shows aren't any worse than the dumb sitcoms i used to watch in the 80's

      Family Ties, Different Strokes, One Day at a Time and lots of others. Friends was the peak of dumb sitcom and that's considered art now

      kids watch shows their parents think are dumb
      kids grow up and these shows become art because the people making the decisions on what art is used to consume that media
      the kids' kids watch new shows that the grown ups think are dumb
      repeat every generation

      same with music. my mother swore Ozzy and metal was a passing fad. and all the crap i used to listen to as a kid is now considered art

    5. Re:Simple... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BBC News is pretty simplistic too. It's good for getting a broad overview, but if there's any story you're interested in you'll almost certainly have to go somewhere else if you want to get actual detail. Channel 4 news are better at detail, but sometimes prone to over editorialising.

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    6. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Why would we be getting smarter anyway? It's pretty obvious from reading old Greek or Roman texts that people are pretty much the same now as they've always been. Shakespeare shows that nothing much has changed in England for over 400 years.

      There's a selection bias there. We don't often hear from the idiots from ages past, or at least with unbiased weighting.

    7. Re:Simple... by Ironhandx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is only true to an extent. There is a very strong relationship between your genetics and your intelligence however.

      For example a kid born from parents with IQ's below 90 is adopted and raised by smart parents(say 140+) He's almost certainly going to be smarter than his biological parents. He is also almost certainly never going to be as smart as his adopted parents.

      I see this causing problems in adopted kids households all the time. Parents are smart, parents waited too long to have kids, adopted baby from trailer trash that were too dumb to not procreate. Kid gets into his teens, school gets harder, parents can't understand why the kid is having so much trouble with stuff they breezed through, and neither can the kid because he doesn't know he's adopted(which just adds more frustration), and it causes a whole lot of tension.

    8. Re:Simple... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      There is a new line of thought. If people practice something for 10,000 hours they become an expert. Now people with higher IQ, may be able to practice harder things to be an expert. But the IQ test isn't a test in how smart you are, but your possible mental potential. I do not have the highest IQ, I am well above average but not off the charts type. I have worked with people with off the charts IQ. They use the fact that they were told that they were super smart as a reason to not work hard, thus they grew up as a slacker, underperforming in many areas where people with normal IQ are exceeding them.

      Now if you have a really high IQ, and you work really hard to exercise your mind, then you will be a real asset to society. Just having the Hi-IQ and sliding just because you have a High IQ means you are not practicing your skills to actually get good at anything.

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    9. Re:Simple... by ToadProphet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your examples use the very brightest of those civilizations and doesn't necessarily disagree with TFA. It's entirely plausible that the brightest of today may not be any more intelligent then the brightest from centuries ago, but that average intelligence has risen due to access to information, public education, etc.

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    10. Re:Simple... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shakespeare couldn't spell his own name, and his handwriting was atrocious.

      Only the best (according to the church) Greek and Latin texts survived. Of course they seem smart to us. The musings of the sub-literate didn't survive. Except for the graffiti on the walls of the bath houses in Pompeii, we don't know much about the low brow Roman.

      This is like looking at the mansions in the old part of town and saying, "They sure knew how to build things in those days". Only the most well built house survived so it looks like there was more craftmenship 100 years ago.

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    11. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't speak for Americans as I'm English but we are certainly not getting smarter.

      Why would we be getting smarter anyway? It's pretty obvious from reading old Greek or Roman texts that people are pretty much the same now as they've always been. Shakespeare shows that nothing much has changed in England for over 400 years.

      I thought the common explanation was that people are more used to thinking 'abstractly' in Western cultures. That's why people from outside the West still score more lowly even today.

      We, as a species, are only just walking up to the starting line of high level abstract thought.

    12. Re:Simple... by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

      shit like Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, Survivor, Jaywalking, etc.

      Conversely, compare modern dramas and comedies with their counterparts from 30-40 years ago. Even the network stuff has gotten a LOT more sophisticated, with complex plotlines and subplots spanning across multiple seasons that regularly employ devices like symbolism and metaphor, creative mixes of genres, etc. Now go back and look at the old stuff and realize that it wasn't that long ago that it was considered that all prime-time television should consist entirely of self-contained episodes with simple plots (even subplots were once avoided) that beat you over the head with every point. Seriously, just compare the original Star Trek sometime with something like new Battlestar Galactica for a check on how far pop culture has really come in the last 40 years. Sure, 90% of everything is still shit (and always will be). But, overall, our popular entertainment today is WAY more intelligent than it was just a few decades ago. Even our lamest sitcoms are more intelligent today than anything you would have encountered in the disco era. Even M.A.S.H. seems anachronistically silly by today's standards.

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    13. Re:Simple... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jersey shore peaks at less than 10 million watchers. Which sounds like a lot, until you realize that the US has ~300 million people, so it's ~3%. Even if you assume ten such shows watched by unique individuals, that'd be 100 million (less than, but still close enough), or 1/3 of the population. Considering that 1/2 of the populace has lower than (or equal to) 100 IQ, by definition, it isn't shocking that such shows are mildly popular.

      And they had entertainment that bad 50-100 years ago as well. You just don't know about it, because crap like that tends not to be recorded and watched 100 years later.

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    14. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am not sure if being told you are really smart makes you a slacker, although probably happens in some cases. I think what might be more common in my experience is that after years in schools and other activities where a little intelligence can greatly reduce the amount of effort and work it takes to get things done, you form a habit of doing things at the last minute and half-assed. The problems with this can be seen as early as middle or high school, or not until after one has finished university studies depending on what they've been exposed to. At some point though there is a level of material and activities, that while being smart helps, it doesn't turn it into some trivial task and takes planning, organization and effort regardless.

      I definitely saw a splitting of the smart people at the beginning of university. A large chunk of the smart kids hit a wall when they realized they didn't know how to study haven't studied before. A small slice was still smart enough to get by without much effort, for better or worse. Another small segment could have fallen into the latter category, but realized they should put effort into things and make good use of their time and options.

    15. Re:Simple... by Dupple · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree, I see the news as a feeder to documentaries or web searches. It the editorialising on C4 I don't like, but the reporting is top notch.

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    16. Re:Simple... by dmbasso · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You are jumping to the conclusion that it is genetic related, when the anecdote you brought ("adopted baby from trailer trash") is most probably better explained by the consequences of development while in the womb. Or do you think a baby (whatever the genetic code) can develop normally within a system flooded with cortisol, alcohol, nicotine, etc.?

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    17. Re:Simple... by daem0n1x · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Care to back you allegations with some data? I call bullshit.

    18. Re:Simple... by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      I wasn't necessarily talking about the people who wrote the texts, I was talking about the content of those texts that make it clear that people haven't changed much.

      I mean read the Bible and although the characters in it are unsurprisingly ignorant, they don't sound less intelligent.

      Anyway the point about the Flynn effect is that it applies across the scale so the brightest people in the past would have scored more lowly even though they clearly were as intelligent as the brightest people around today. It would seem odd therefore to use the same effect to argue that the rest of the poeple have got more intelligent.

      I don't really buy the idea that our education system is any better than what people had in the past anyway. Better classroom discipline and a greater incentive to study probably meant that schools were actually better in the past.

      Even where there were no schools people still mostly learnt to read and write. Literacy rates have not changed much in the last 100 years in England.

    19. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one do not believe American's at least are getting any smarter.

      "American's"? You picked the wrong story (on which) to make an elementary grammar mistake. And you're missing a bunch of punctuation.

    20. Re:Simple... by r1348 · · Score: 1

      Where are your facts?
      I remind you that the plot of Idiocracy does not constitute fact.

    21. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, Survivor, Jaywalking, etc.

      Speaking of shit, whatever happened to The Turd Report?

    22. Re:Simple... by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 2

      we know intelligence to fall on a Gaussian curve. If we track any remarkable point on that curve, be it the median or the hundredth percentile, we should see a similar trend. If we do not, then it is not human capabilities which changed, but their spread.

    23. Re:Simple... by jvkjvk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I, on the other hand, prefer to think the exact opposite.

      I think most people are born intelligent. You are either enabled to form the correct neural connections or raised in a way that makes your intelligence degrade significantly.

    24. Re:Simple... by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think part of the problem is that noone seems to have a consistent definition of "intelligent", and sometimes it gets conflated with "wise" or "experienced" or "knowledgeable".

    25. Re:Simple... by durrr · · Score: 2

      You're on the right track.
      The real answer is that while humans have actually been getting more stupid, the IQ tests have been even more so.

    26. Re:Simple... by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Funny

      If babies are so intelligent, how come they shit themselves. Check-mate.

    27. Re:Simple... by udachny · · Score: 2

      I think everybody is born dumb.

      - nonsense. Some people are born dumb and some people are born intelligent. We are all born ignorant though, with only instincts to guide us but no information. As we grow we learn things but we also can learn to not use our heads or we can train to use them more, that part is nurture.

    28. Re:Simple... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      You forgot Seinfeld. A show about nothing. The apex. Curb Your Enthusiasm is all the worst of Seinfeld with none of the best, and the single most comprehensive and honest rebuttal of American Progressive Leftist Thought yet produced. It should be required viewing.

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    29. Re:Simple... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Battlestar Galactica devolved into a morass of indecipherable self-examination and morality play, lost in its whirlpool of ambiguity and despair.

      The ending of The Sopranos, on the other hand, is unrecognized genius.

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    30. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because they've trained their servants to clean up after them, freeing them from such menial tasks so they can spend their time thinking about the important questions in life, like, "Is that shiny colorful thing a symbol for modern materialism, or simply a locus of baser desires that should be sated."

    31. Re:Simple... by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      If you are so intelligent, why don't you have someone trained to feed you, and clean the shit off your ass the minute you start crying?

    32. Re:Simple... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yes, actually you have been getting smarter, and in ways that are sometimes subtle and not obvious. However, the Flynn effect leveled off in Great Britain about 20 years ago http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/4548943/British-teenagers-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts-did-30-years-ago.html But until recently it was statistically robust.

      It's pretty obvious from reading old Greek or Roman texts that people are pretty much the same now as they've always been. Shakespeare shows that nothing much has changed in England for over 400 years.

      There are two serious issues with this claim. First, most (although not all) of the Flynn effect has occurred on the lower end of the intelligence spectrum. That means that the smartest people may not be that much smarter, but the average intelligence has still gone up by a lot. See for example http://synapse.princeton.edu/~brained/chapter15/colom_andres-pueyo05_intelligence_Spanish-schoolchildren-nutrition-hypothesis.pdf. Second, people today seem to be in some ways smarter than many of the smart people a few thousand years ago. For example, it used to be a big deal that someone was able to read so well that they didn't need to murmur to themselves or move their lips, whereas now we consider reading out loud a sign of stupidity http://www.stanford.edu/class/history34q/readings/Manguel/Silent_Readers.html. It is possible that part of this difference was simply cultural, and that silent reading was purely a matter of education and norms. But the fact that some old sources considered silent reading a sign of intelligence suggests otherwise.

    33. Re:Simple... by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Schools are definitely worse today (IMO), then they were 20 years ago when I was in school. My kid in 7th grade math isn't even learning algebra yet. And they don't know the right way to do long division of multiple factor multiplication. My kids are pretty bright (I know I'm biased). I taught my 5th grader the right way to 2 digit multiplication, and she said "That was much easier then my teacher taught me, I hope I don't get in trouble for doing it you're way".

    34. Re:Simple... by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 2

      Channel 4 news are better at detail, but sometimes prone to over editorialising.

      Wait.. WHAT!?!?

      Oh dear.. for a moment I thought you meant 4chan. My Idiocracy was flaring up.

    35. Re:Simple... by gosand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think we would be getting smarter because there's a greater wealth of knowledge for us to draw on.
      We stand on the shoulders that have come before us. We don't have to do as much trial and error when we know some things to be fact... which means we can figure out new things.

      Since a century is but a blip of time, it might be hard to really get a solid measurement on it. The real question is, 100 years ago did they ask the question about whether or not they were smarter than the people from 100 years before that? :)

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    36. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The MASH DVDs give you the option of watching the show without a laugh track. It's amazing how that one simple change makes it a much better show—you notice not just the big jokes, but the more sophisticated, subtler things as well.

      Fewer and fewer modern shows have laugh tracks.

    37. Re:Simple... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I dunno. 'All in the Family' deals with really subject matter that was really forward thinking and controversial at the time, but seems ridiculously antiquated to us now. Same with M.A.S.H. The shows need to be evaluated in the context of the time, not in the context of OUR time. And even still, there are themes that are STILL relevant in both those shows; the issue of homosexuality comes up at least a couple times in a way that you'd think isn't so different than the way it might be handled now in the more conservative areas of the USA.

      And for a particular counter-example: the Star Wars movies of the 70s were quite a bit deeper and more complex (perhaps by accident? ...but still) than the modern ones. And there are an awful lot of movies that bring nothing new to the table at all--just sequels and re-hashes of things that were good 20, 30, 40 or even 50+ years ago.

    38. Re:Simple... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Wife got her bachelor's in engineering from MIT and works in the industry, I work in tech. The only new, in-production show that we really care to watch anymore is Big Bang Theory. I was watching Person of Interest until the local CBS affiliate decided to preempt the second episode of the season in the middle of a story arc for a football game one week, and then got preempted for a debate the next week, so I've basically given up and realized that I have a workshop full of neat stuff to play with instead. We watched the pilot for Elementary, but because they preempted the following two episodes in a row I really don't think that I'll bother. Besides, the scant episodes of Sherlock were very good.

      We buy shows on DVD or blu-ray now if we're going to watch something. We've gone through the Granada Television Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, she went through Friends, I went through the Thames years of The Benny Hill Show, and we just finished M*A*S*H. We're working our way through Farscape, and are in the most recently released season of Lewis with some of the old Inspector Morse waiting in the wings. For one month's cable TV bill we can buy one or two seasons of a TV show at full price, or three or four seasons if found on sale or used. I'd much rather choose what to watch. Maybe we'll pick up where we left on on Star Trek: The Next Generation or will track down Babylon 5 shortly, or watch that season of I Spy that I picked up a few years back.

      The point is, one doesn't have to watch the drivel that they're shoveling these days. There's lots of content already in existence, and odd are that one hasn't seen all of The Dick Van Dyke Show, or That Girl, or Adam 12, or any number of pretty decent dramas and comedies that are in our collective libraries. Vote with your viewing habits, stop watching contrived crap if you don't like it. There are plenty of other things to watch.

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    39. Re:Simple... by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      I couldn't watch them either. Especially that Jersey Shore train wreck!

    40. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What blew my mind is seeing colleges have a "college arithmetic" course. I thought college algebra was one thing, but having to learn long division at the university level?

      I sound like a fundie, but maybe we should just get rid of the public school system and do like France with a voucher program of accredited schools? China pays for up to a doctoral level for their citizens. Chile, same. Germany as well. Lets do like modern countries do and let the corrupt school systems be something of the past. Of course, this isn't about teacher unions. Where I live, there are no teacher unions, and the schools are even shittier. You ask a high school student about basic trig equations, you get looked at askance, and they might quote a line from a Justin Beiber song.

      Want to know what the schools in the US do teach?

      Conform, consume, cuff up.

      I am ashamed of the schools, and spending any more time trying to deal with a failed system is just wasting tax dollars. Let private schools do the job and do it right.

    41. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...But, overall, our popular entertainment today is WAY more intelligent than it was just a few decades ago. .

      Congratulations on proving the Flynn Effect wrong.

    42. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He's got ALLIGATORS? Oh noes!

    43. Re:Simple... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Well, I can drive into older parts of town, though admittedly in my town that's the forties and fifties, and see large housing developments still standing. Housing that was built of brick as opposed to being built out of styrofoam, chicken wire, and stucco. Fast forward to the sixties when wood paneling over wood-framed walls became the norm and those houses are falling apart. Roughly the same neighborhood demographics, but one is outlasting the other. I'd guess they're even getting roughly the same maintenance, which is to say, about nil.

      As for the musings of the subliterate, that's called oral history. The downside of it is that it's an extended version of playing Telephone, as the details are changed over the years, but usually the gist of the stories remains intact. They survive in the form of jokes, aphorisms, scary stories, parables, and songs.

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    44. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't shit themselves, they just shit. The diapers are "self" - constructing addition which is deployed to protect immediate environment, furniture and carpets, not the baby. If we were still living in tree-tops, the shit would conveniently fly down to the ground and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    45. Re:Simple... by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Even where there were no schools people still mostly learnt to read and write. Literacy rates have not changed much in the last 100 years in England.

      Considering that compulsory schooling was introduced in England more than 100 years ago, I don't see how the latter statement tells anything about the former. Not to mention that there were schools many years before that, including some created by the church.

      But in 1839, man illiteracy rates were 33% and women rates were 50%. And by illiterate, I mean they had to register at their weddings with a cross because they couldn't sign their own name.

      So yes, I'd say there's a decent correlation between available schooling and literacy. Which may just be a coincidence, of course.

    46. Re:Simple... by quintus_horatius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What blew my mind is seeing colleges have a "college arithmetic" course. I thought college algebra was one thing, but having to learn long division at the university level?

      More people than ever before are seeking (and getting) education beyond high school. The best and the brightest have always gone, but colleges and universities are opening up to lower quality students - those with less education upon arrival. The institutions are simply providing an educational service to a group that needs it.

      Don't get worked up over higher education hewing to its mandate, which is to provide an education to all (and possibly make some money while doing it by selling you some remedial courses to ease you along). Be happy that people aren't turning their noses up at it. It improves society for everyone.

    47. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which may be proven by results that somehow IQ has increased over time. Clearly we're not any smarter than our ancestors who did some seriously clever things with a lot less to go on. It suggests to me that we're measuring what you know, where you came from or what you've been taught, rather than how fast you learn, or how creative you are (and which of the two is intelligence? both? Neither?)

      IQ is just IQ. It's a silly metric someone made up for soft science which is forever in pursuit of quantitative metrics to justify its existence as a real science. It's important not to put any weight on soft science, it squishes. I have no problems with it, except that in the wrong hands it is dangerous. The biggest danger is that someone actually try to USE it, which is both a sign of low intelligence and mental instability. It's a form of art, one studies it and admires it, but you'd never turn Mona Lisa into wallpaper right?

    48. Re:Simple... by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      The only way to prove this theory is to genetically clone a baby (to many babies) and give each of them to different parents (twins are not good enough). Have you seen anything like that? If so, that may be the data you are looking for. If not, this is simply a theory and tends to be accepted the most.

    49. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the possible correlation between parent and child IQs is subject to influence by environmental factors (thus misleading one to believe in IQ inheritance).

      I'd concede there must be some correlation, but it might be very weak: different populations subject to the same conditions would converge to the same level of intelligence (but this is just an educated hypothesis, of course).

      Also, the topic is incredibly ellusive: two people might be of equal intelligence, but one might be more focused and other more dispersive (and thus more open to out-of-the-box observations), differences in well-being (physical or mental) could account for different IQ results, people sometimes deal better with verbal questions while others prefer pictoric ones and so on.

      In my language, there are also different understandings of the words "wise", "intelligent" and "smart". So, I think you're oversimplifying here...

      Finally, kids are not always like their parents. Sometimes they are born like their grandparents or even some distant ancestor. My daughter, for instance, is allergic to penicillin, just like her grandma.

    50. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, you are born as intelligent as you will ever be. It's all downhill from there. Everything from chemicals to injury will decrease intelligence, which you are confusing with education.

      On the other hand, you are born more ignorant than you will ever be -- you are born knowing absolutely nothing except how to suck a tit.

      You confuse ignorance with stupidity. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, stupidity is the lack of ability to learn.

      That said, I'm getting less intelligent and less ignorant, both at once, all the time. all the time

    51. Re:Simple... by crypticedge · · Score: 1

      Even shitty art is still art.

      I hate to say this, but Jersey shore and the like are still art, they are horrible, but that doesn't really take the ability to call them art away sadly.

    52. Re:Simple... by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

      Not disagreeing with what you say but the point is that I see no evidence that people are brighter than they were 100 years ago yet the IQ scores have increased.

      Someone said it might be because schools are better now. I was saying that I don't think they are.

    53. Re:Simple... by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      What exactly is your basis of this imagination from? Beyond it being completely incorrect and defining yourself as both ignorant and stupid, where do you come up with this? Please don't tell me this is that "you only have so many brain cells" misnomer which has been scientifically proven to be incorrect.

    54. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the LOST theory of writing a show. You just make shit up as you go.

    55. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the blip: "...Are we are simply getting better at taking tests?"

      Sorta proves the Flynn effect.

    56. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think everyone is born smart; you either keep smart, or are raised in a way that makes you stupid. But seriously, kids are curious by nature. Adults kind of don't give two shits.

    57. Re:Simple... by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      If not, this is simply a theory and tends to be accepted the most.

      Accepted by whom?

    58. Re:Simple... by Bengie · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Everyone in my immediate family is considered "smart". Both of my brothers have done AP classes and the one was doing Senior level AP as a freshman. We all tend to do well in anything we put our minds to, yet we came from a family with very little money and we didn't fit well in school because we don't learn the same way the other kids do.

      Then there's my extended blood related family. They all grew up in low income and had to work their way through life, but most of them got college degrees back in the 70s. One got a free ride and the other was a heroine and cocaine addict for 5 years, and still tested as "gifted". He was offered a free ride to an Ivy League, but his mind was so gone he had to eventually decline.

      We had no special up-bringing and we came from manual labor families. Even many of my cousins are testing as gifted. Go figure. The entire family is rather easy going and don't push their kids. We just all tend to naturally excel at academics.

    59. Re:Simple... by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While the plot of Idiocracy is in fact not fact...
      It does make sense that if the smart breed at lower rates than the stupid the number of stupid will rise.

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    60. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      It gets even more confused in the UK where most adoptions aren't of babies, but of young children who have been taken into care by social services.. The first few months and years of a child's development are absolutely crucial, generally the birth mother/parents are guilty of at least serious neglect, even when there's no actual abuse. It's a miracle most adopted children end up as normal and balanced as they do, but it gets progressively harder the older the kids are when adopted. If a child has been neglected/abused for nine or ten years, it's touch and go whether anything can then fully repair the psychological, emotional and intellectual damage done.

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    61. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your comment on the spelliing of Shakespeare's name is invalid, as the orthography wasn't standardized yet. There wasn't a right way to spell anything.

    62. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and do like France with a voucher program of accredited schools

      No such program in France
      You must be thinking about another country

    63. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      I, on the other hand, prefer to think the exact opposite.

      I think most people are born intelligent. You are either enabled to form the correct neural connections or raised in a way that makes your intelligence degrade significantly.

      As Wordsworth said:

      Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
      The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
      Hath had elsewhere its setting,
      And cometh from afar:
      Not in entire forgetfulness,
      And not in utter nakedness,
      But trailing clouds of glory do we come
      From God, who is our home.

      It's a nice idea, but ultimately unconvincing for the simple reason that babies are tedious food processing machines and not exactly known for their sparkling wit.

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    64. Re:Simple... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to only ever watch highbrow drama. Stick on a couple of eps of The A Team or the Dukes of Hazzard, and have some gratuitous sillyness for a while.

    65. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      BBC News is pretty simplistic too. It's good for getting a broad overview, but if there's any story you're interested in you'll almost certainly have to go somewhere else if you want to get actual detail. Channel 4 news are better at detail, but sometimes prone to over editorialising.

      To be honest, you're better off reading a decent newspaper (dead tree or web version). In the half hour it takes to watch the TV news, you can amass a lot more detailed information from the 'paper.

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    66. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I went through the Thames years of The Benny Hill Show,

      Only someone from the US would use that pile of crap as an example of good TV.

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    67. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Your examples use the very brightest of those civilizations and doesn't necessarily disagree with TFA. It's entirely plausible that the brightest of today may not be any more intelligent then the brightest from centuries ago, but that average intelligence has risen due to access to information, public education, etc.

      It's only relatively recently in the West that the poor/average person has had a decent diet and enough spare time to read books and so on.

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    68. Re:Simple... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I taught my 5th grader the right way to 2 digit multiplication, and she said "That was much easier then my teacher taught me, I hope I don't get in trouble for doing it you're way".

      1. Yes she probably would annoy her teacher, I make a point of sticking to my kids' schools set ways of doing things, it's just going to cause confusion if you're not careful, and
      2. It's "your" so it's lucky you weren't helping her with English homework.

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    69. Re:Simple... by platypusfriend · · Score: 1

      E. Boring says, "Intelligence is what intelligence tests measure;" H. Woodrow says it's "the capacity to acquire capacity." ...Me? I say that's flimsy and uninteresting! Let's combine the two into the Boring-Woodrow definition of intelligence.

    70. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't speak for Americans as I'm English but we are certainly not getting smarter.

      By *definition* the average British (male) IQ is 100. Tests are calibrated to the UK result.
      Maybe the rest of the world isn't getting smarter - it's just that the Brits are getting dumber.

      Call it "IQ inflation".

    71. Re:Simple... by Ironhandx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me google that for you.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intelligence+linked+to+genes

      Science daily has two separate articles on it within the first 3 results.

      Wanting yourself to be able to be just as special a snowflake as anyone else "If I really wanted to be I could!" doesn't make it so.

    72. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My kid in 7th grade math isn't even learning algebra yet.

      It's a shame that she's wasting her time at public school; they're terribly inefficient and ineffective. She's probably not learning much of anything, either. What they have is rote memorization.

      I wouldn't say it's bad to not have to learn advanced concepts extremely early, though. I've noticed that a lot of people don't even understand *basic* concepts. As in, they memorized the procedures, but they do not actually understand them.

    73. Re:Simple... by mellyra · · Score: 1

      I don't really buy the idea that our education system is any better than what people had in the past anyway. Better classroom discipline and a greater incentive to study probably meant that schools were actually better in the past.

      it's not just schools - you also have to consider to consider the effects of other factors such as improved nurtition and healthcare.

      It may sound exotic to you but based on what we can actually observe in very poor countries you do owe some of your intelligence to your protein-heavy diet, the lack of parasites, ...

      In Economic history there also is the (controversial) theory that the high rate of reproduction among members of the upper society (or rather the relatively high rate of surviving children) along with very high downwards mobility (especially in countries with "first son gets all"-style inheritance) lead to a very rapid spread of desirable attributes through the general population (during the few hundred years prior to industrialization).

    74. Re:Simple... by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Family Ties, Different Strokes, One Day at a Time and lots of others.

      Those shows, despite being dumb sitcoms, still tried to teach some valuable lessons. Some even went to the point to touch some socially taboo topics (Different Strokes had a 2-part pedophilia plot).

      The lessons of reality shows seem to be "get drunk, plow loose women, be a douche, get in fights, and tan." They're the equivalent of going to the zoo to watch monkeys have a poop fight.

    75. Re:Simple... by JigJag · · Score: 1

      Considering that 1/2 of the populace has lower than (or equal to) 100 IQ, by definition

      Your definition is wrong. IQ is defined as:
      IQ = (mental age/real age) * 100

      As a result, the ratio is not a comparison with others but with an established standard.

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    76. Re:Simple... by dwye · · Score: 1

      I hate to say this, but Jersey shore and the like are still art, they are horrible, but that doesn't really take the ability to call them art away sadly.

      All they are is Morton Downey, Jr. or Jerry Springer without a host or the security people to keep the guests from killing each other (while on stage). OTOH, they are dirt cheap to make, and don't require union writers whose residuals have to be paid for how every many times it is (I imagine until the series goes into the public domain). Seriously, since the whole point is to convince you to watch the commercials, what do you expect?

    77. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      For example a kid born from parents with IQ's below 90 is adopted and raised by smart parents(say 140+) He's almost certainly going to be smarter than his biological parents.

      Mental retardation is seldom genetic. Most are caused by outside influences, such as being born with your umbilical cord tied around your neck like my oldest daughter, or fetal alcohol syndrome like some kids that grew up around the block from me.

      My IQ is 150, my youngest daughter's is 130, my oldest daughter's is 75. If my oldest has a child, it will most likely have an IQ close to her younger sister's unless it suffers some form of brain damage.

    78. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. A person with a high IQ is intelligent the way Lisp is "powerful". Oh reeeeally, Mr. Graham? Lisp is powerful? Do tell us how many Watts it is, so that we can put a meter on the other languages and compare them.

      I'm not really picking (too much) on Paul Graham or Lisp here. I think they're a fine person and language respectively. It's just that "powerful" isn't something you can measure. You can measure terseness in a language and I believe Mr. Graham latched onto that with his Arc project. The trouble with that is that if terseness were something to strive for we'd all be programming in APL.

      Anyway, IQ, as another poster said, measures what IQ tests measure. My, what a "powerful" brain you have there...

    79. Re:Simple... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everybody tests as gifted. Seriously. Go find someone who came out "normal".

      And if you can find me a cokehead that doesn't claim to have turned down an ivy league scholarship (that was actually just a cover for the real offer of a CIA wetwork job), I'll eat my hat.

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    80. Re:Simple... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Intelligence has no correlation with achievement in the free market at all. It's not what you know or how you process information- it's who you know and what deals can you make.

      So I'd have to say that for the most part- the ideas of Margaret Sanger that we can breed more intelligent, and thus more successful, people are false.

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    81. Re:Simple... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      That is the "Doctor Who" theory, my friend. Loosely based on American soap operas, except you will NEVER see a vacuum cleaner in a recent soap opera.

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    82. Re:Simple... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Depends- I've known some six month olds unrelated to me that can carry on amazing conversations in American Sign Language. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/imhj.20286/abstract;jsessionid=39A4775805DA752A88B78DF6DCFEDAFA.d01t02?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+on+27+October+from+10%3A00-12%3A00+BST+(05%3A00-07%3A00+EDT)+for+essential+maintenance

      I think this, like the assumption that people in the past were stupid, is a bad assumption.

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    83. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Back in the 1980's I took an IQ test that was originally written in the 1930's or 40's. When I finished, the test results said I had an IQ of 125 which is fine but I thought I was a bit more than that. Then my psych teacher informed me that to adjust for the "dumbing down" we've gone through in all these years, I would have to add 15 or more points to my score to see what I would get if I took a modern IQ test. I have since taken several(probably over 100 at this point) and sure enough, I score 140-150 consistently. What this means is that while the *scoring* may have gone up, the actual IQ hasn't come close. You need look no further than the fact that our dumbest individuals are having a shit-ton of equally dumb children while the smart folks do the smart thing and try to keep our population to a minimum, and hence have fewer smart children. From that ratio alone, it becomes obvious that the people in TFA are members of the former group of children.

    84. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler, much?

    85. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      When has that kind of entertainment not been popular? You have basically describe popular entertainment .... but on a TV.

    86. Re:Simple... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      The family had to help him apply for the exams and got the see the results themselves. It's not what the drug addict claimed, it's what all the other family members claimed that they saw in the mail.

      Around here, not everyone tests as "gifted". Maybe where you went to school, the teachers constantly told all the kinds that they're all "special" in their own way, but around here we have some of the best education in the country.

    87. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that what were once legitimate colleges are turning into paper mills. We are seeing people coming out of college with no better than a high school education. That paper mill diploma is being use by businesses as an indication that the less educated person is a better job candidate than the person who got his education when he was supposed to.

      Just as the lowering of the bar in public education has made the high school diploma a meaningless piece of paper, the lowering of the bar at colleges is doing the same.

      I'm not convinced that most of the people entering colleges with a jr. high/middle school education are really leaving those colleges much better educated than when they entered. If you didn't learn basic arithmetic in the first 13 years of school, it isn't likely that you will in year 14-18.

    88. Re:Simple... by hackula · · Score: 1

      Ignorance is evolutionary bliss.

    89. Re:Simple... by highphilosopher · · Score: 1

      This doesn't explain why almost all Americans act like idiots.

    90. Re:Simple... by hackula · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it just me, or does everyone on the entire internet claim to have an IQ ~150? Where is the other 99.9663019177% of the population?

    91. Re:Simple... by Brewster+Jennings · · Score: 1

      It's a given that modern Reality Television is crap, but it certainly wasn't better 100 years ago. Want to see for yourself? Search "Algie the Miner" on YouTube.

      I suspect the real reason behind the increase in average scores is the greater access (or bombardment of) information during the formative years of children. Stick your child in front of a bunch of televisions that are showing educational or information programs, and you'll end up with a child who is smarter than his peers who don't.

      Or even better, give your child access to a tablet. A buddy of mine has two tablet-savvy kids, and they are WAY ahead of what I'd expect for age-level learning development.

    92. Re:Simple... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Why stop at 30 years? Shakespeare or Greek tragedy anybody?

      And sure old shows look outdated, because they are, well, out of date.

      And subplots is not a sign of modern tv. It is not even a sign of sophistication. Soap operas have been doing this for a LONG time. All they do now is go from cliffhanger to cliffhanger.

      You used to have one at the end of the season. Now you have one right before a commercial break.

      To me that is not more intelligent. To me that is the lack of intelligence when looking at a story point of view. It is very intelligent that they will let you turn in next time.

      There are also still a LOT of shows that do the episode thing.

      They are not more intelligent. They are just up to date. People from 40-50 years ago would think what we have stoopid and what they have great.

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    93. Re:Simple... by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      I for one do not believe American's at least are getting any smarter.

      Exactly. You've just proven your assumption.

      And I'm not trying to be a dick.. In all actuality, I think there's too much to have to pile into a person's brain. You have to be selective with the information you think will be of importance at a later date. For instance, we trust that spellcheck will properly highlight misspellings, however several properly spelled words, in a row, doesn't make proper grammar. We trust that there will always be Bic lighters to make a fire, yet how many people actually know how to make a fire with only the stuff you'd find in the wilderness? And why would someone commit information to their brain, unless they thought it would be needed in the future? It's true that there will always be something inane that you saw (probably on YouTube) that you can't 'unthink', but what's of real importance is retrieval. Stored information is of no value unless you can retrieve it in a timely fashion.

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    94. Re:Simple... by similar_name · · Score: 1

      At some level it's obviously genetically related. Now whether you live up to that potential will depend a lot on nutrition and environment through development. The reason I say genetics play an obvious role is because genes can certainly cause mental disorders so it has influence.

    95. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      entirely plausible that the brightest of today may not be any more intelligent then the brightest from centuries ago

      Seems to me people are getting dumber.

    96. Re:Simple... by ahodgson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Watching Honey Boo Boo.

    97. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Only the best (according to the church) Greek and Latin texts survived. "

      When did the church audit every bit of text out of these cultures? I thought the majority of texts from the period were destroyed in accidents completely unrelated to any church

    98. Re:Simple... by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Don't get worked up over higher education hewing to its mandate, which is to provide an education to all (and possibly make some money while doing it by selling you some remedial courses to ease you along). Be happy that people aren't turning their noses up at it. It improves society for everyone.

      I'm ambivalent about that last line. The side effect of more people having college/university education, is that having a degree is no longer a measure (inaccurate as it is) of someone's educational background when they apply for jobs. So now, for many jobs it's no longer enough to simply have graduated high school, and you're practically required to have master's degree, not just bachelor's, if you want to become a school teacher where I live. Sometimes, even if it's just for primary school.

    99. Re:Simple... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Your comment on the spelliing of Shakespeare's name is invalid, as the orthography wasn't standardized yet. There wasn't a right way to spell anything.

      Well, consistency would be a start. He appears to have spelled his name differently every time he signed it, and the handwriting itself was atrocious.

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    100. Re:Simple... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The official definition of IQ is stupid. It assumes that intelligence follows some sort of monotonic and smooth increase over age. (Clearly not the case once one reaches adulthood.)

    101. Re:Simple... by readin · · Score: 1

      I mean read the Bible and although the characters in it are unsurprisingly ignorant, they don't sound less intelligent.

      Most of the people you read about in the old testament were leaders. Abraham owned flocks and had servants. The same is true of Isaac and Jacob. When you get into the monarchy you mostly read about the kings and other people in the court. Very little is said about the people who were servants. Of those who aren't necessarily leaders, most are prophets. It's a very select group.

      In the new testament much of what you see was written about Jesus. The rest is mostly written by and about Paul who was extremely well educated by the standards of the day.

      You mentioned Shakespeare but that was fiction. Interesting fiction usually usually has a lot of smarter than average characters.

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    102. Re:Simple... by readin · · Score: 1

      Schools are definitely worse today (IMO), then they were 20 years ago when I was in school. My kid in 7th grade math isn't even learning algebra yet. And they don't know the right way to do long division of multiple factor multiplication. My kids are pretty bright (I know I'm biased). I taught my 5th grader the right way to 2 digit multiplication, and she said "That was much easier then my teacher taught me, I hope I don't get in trouble for doing it you're way".

      When I was in school a long time ago, we weren't able to take algebra until 8th grade. And kids a few years older than me hadn't even been able to take pre-algebra in 7th grade.

      The schools I know of that have algrebra in 7th grade only allow a few kids to take it. It's not for everyone. I can see where a smaller school might not have enough students ready for algebra to allow for a class at that age.

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    103. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That is one reason that I homeschool. You are right that if the kid does his school work in a different way than what the teacher knows, it will likely cause confusion as the teacher will not know how to help the child in class. Unfortunately, huge portions of our education system teaches things in convoluted ways. Often the teachers don't actually know the subject because they were taught in a convoluted way, and are just following the the steps without understanding why they are doing what they are doing.

      By homeschooling, no matter what way I show my child, it is the same way that he learns as 'school'.

    104. Re:Simple... by madprof · · Score: 0

      Wow, then it all must be true. You're a scientist now!
      And you back it up with such charm and grace.

      You make some vague hand-waving claims that any reasonable person would shy away from making unless they didn't care about accuracy. If you did more than refer to science websites in Google in order to back up your assertions you might look more credible. But, as this is a furiously complicated topic, you could be forgiven for misunderstanding how difficult it is to make such bold assertions.

    105. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I see that all of the time. While we homeschool our son, may of his friends are in public school. When they come over, they are unable to play simple games with him like 'math bingo'. A little while back, he had a friend over who had passed the second grade. (It was summer) The two of them were playing math bingo. The girl was doing fine with all of her addition. She could whip out the answers until she was presented with '13 + 0'. The poor girl couldn't figure it out. This left absolutely no question in my mind that the school had in fact NOT taught her how to do addition at all. They had just given her a chart to memorize, and she didn't understand what the numbers actually meant.

      I see this kind of problem, even in the teachers themselves. Then many of them that do understand the problems just go along with the program because that is "how all the other teachers do it".

    106. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. Most Greeks and Romans couldn't read/write and those that could were from the educated elite. Further, those that you read in college were from the best writers of the century list.

    107. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone bragging about their IQ on the Internet, you mean. The rest don't give a shit and/or never took a real IQ test, or don't know how to use the Internet beyond Facebook.

      The unofficial online IQ tests claim that I'm at 155, so there's that too. Why take an actual test when the Internet can just assign you an arbitrary number?

    108. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was told is college humanities class that the Greeks generally read aloud and that reading sllently was considered "shifty". Though I couldn't provide a reference for that.

    109. Re:Simple... by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      You're right, in smaller schools, I could understand it. But my kids go to one of the best school districts in the state (this may not be saying much, because I live in the South), but we have 9 elementary schools, that feed two middle schools, which feed two junior highs, which feed one (not built yet, but will be in two years) a Freshman Academy, which then feeds into one high school. There are plenty of students which would be able and likely to at least take pre-algebra (I'm not even sure what pre-algebra is, it's kinda like pre-calc which in my mind should be called trig, I don't know I didn't get a chance to take either in high school) or regular algebra.

      I don't get the prejudice against algebra that a lot of people have. Now granted I was math major, and I took Calc 1, 2, and 3 online when I was in college, so I'm a lot biased when people don't understand maths. But I think that algebra is a fundamental skill that all students need to learn. It's like composition, english, history, and basic science (doesn't matter if it's biology, chemistry, physics, geology, meteorology (I don't know of any high schools that teach this, but I could see it being a good idea), and political science (maybe not, but I would have liked to take one in high school).

    110. Re:Simple... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Well, I think people are born ignorant and stay that way to varying degrees in different subjects. I've met people who are geniuses when it comes to performing some task that I've never been particularly adept at, but I (with my silly prejudices) wouldn't consider intelligent.

      I think IQ tests aren't particularly useful at determining anything other than competence at taking IQ tests.

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    111. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Having known a lot of 'Unschoolers'. I have come to the conclusion that the biggest factor in people learning to read is how often they are presented with words, and whether their is an actual reward to knowing them. Of all the unschoolers I have interacted with (20 to 30 of them), 100% of them could read by the age of 12. Now, I think 12 is a really late time to learn to read, but these were kids with parents who had a clear stance of not teaching their kids to read. Many of them learned to read much sooner than that. About 8 seemed to be the norm. We can make lots of theories on why the learned to read and those in 1839 England couldn't. Mine fall into a few areas:

      1. There were just fewer words around. If a kid sees a giant 'M' on a sign in front of every McDonalds they pass (and they will pass a lot), they almost can't help but get the idea that 'M' is the starting sound of McDonalds. Children in modern first world countries are constantly bombarded with the written word. They almost can't help but learn to read.

      2. All of their peers can read. Just like a kid will learn to ride a bike if all of their friends are riding bikes; a kid will learn to read if all of their friends are learning to read.

      3. Many of the modern first world activities that kids want to do make learning to read the path of least resistance. It is less work to know how to read, and most people are inherently lazy. It is way harder to find out all of the Easter eggs and cheats in Minecraft or Left for Dead if you don't know how to read. If you learn to read, you are more likely to beat your opponent in the video game you are playing.

      While I am not a fan of public schools for kids who's parents want them to have a good education, the public schools do set a bar for when 2 and 3 happen. This pushes the pressures for those kids who's parents won't make sure they are educated to learn to read from ~8 down to ~5 or 6.

    112. Re:Simple... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      I believe Twin Peaks pioneered this method, but it was perfected by The X-Files.

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    113. Re:Simple... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      It was a quote from his daughter. Just proving his point.

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    114. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Crappy sitcoms were notorious for trying to make themselves relevant at the end of their run by 'tackling tough issues'. The Different Strokes pedophilia episodes were exactly that. They were Gary Colman's shark to jump.

    115. Re:Simple... by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

      They've been making the correlations for years, and now they have some real evidence.

      The only reason this subject is complicated is for the reason I stated, along with some other religious crap along the lines of "All of gods children are created equal!". We aren't, we never were, we never will be.

      I am smarter than most, I actually test at genius levels(Last time was in high school, it came back at 172), but there are people out there that make me look like a fucking chimpanzee. There is a DEFINITE genetic link, and there are mutations that cause a deeper expression of genius. Albert Einstein for instance. Even the shit he was humble enough to think he might have gotten wrong is turning out to be correct.

    116. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, 90% of everything is crap.

      my mother swore Ozzy and metal was a passing fad. and all the crap i used to listen to as a kid is now considered art

      Your mom was proven wrong, as was my dad, whose opinion was that the music he listened to in the '40s was the best... but nobody was listening to it any more when he said that. OTOH, today's young people are listening to the same music that was popular when I was young, and I'm 60. It had more lasting power than any music produced since the invention of the radio and phonograph.

    117. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I agree with your hypothesis, but there is also the other unfortunate side of that coin. Children are told that if they try, they will succeed at anything. It is an idea that sounds good on paper, and people would be horrified to hear a parent tell a child that "they can't", but bad sounding or not, it is true. Unfortunately, we see social promotion within our education system to the point that basic arithmetic is needing to be taught in colleges.

      Again, I am not disagreeing with you. I am making the point that being smart is both a matter of genetics and environment. How the two play together is important to note when having these conversations.

    118. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Battlestar Galactica is a terrible example. From the first episode on, it was a mishmash of poor lazy writing. It looked like the writing was done by a staff who sat around and said "What would be edgy" and threw it in whether it was good or not. It is the Marlyn Manson of TV.

      Hear is a hint. If a show has to steal characters from Voyager, the show is crap.

    119. Re:Simple... by madprof · · Score: 1

      "They've been making the correlations for years"...who have?

      I like the way there is no back up to the "almost certainly going to be smarter" comment with anything more than more hand waving. Well if "scientists" say it then it must be true, right? As we all know, all scientists agree with each other on everything. (hint: the last two sentences are sarcasm)

      Someone might reasonably expect a "genius" to be able to formulate a basic argument but consider the way you bring Einstein into it - without making any reference to his genetics you say that things he thought he got wrong are turning out to be correct. That's called, IIRC, a non sequitur. Seriously, if you want to claim you're smarter than some people then try to be smart enough to impressive at the same time.

      All I am saying here is: don't be so outspoken about a complex subject you don't appear to understand.

    120. Re:Simple... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      How do you think they get the 'mental age' of that equation?

    121. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's probably the threshold where people feel safe in mentioning it. A 150 IQ is relatively uncommon (one in 2,300), while a 160 IQ is pretty rare (one in 32,000 -- assuming the distribution holds up), so you're not likely to be topped (Slashdot's huge readership excluded). It's also a good e-penis, as it makes one feel superior regardless of actual life accomplishments or knowledge. People can't call you out on it, since there are plenty of eccentric and uneducated people with high IQs, so you can't really tell if someone is lying about their IQ based on writing style.

    122. Re:Simple... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or does everyone on the entire internet claim to have an IQ ~150? Where is the other 99.9663019177% of the population?

      Not on Slashdot; not writing computer software.

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    123. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too stupid to use the internet.

    124. Re:Simple... by Grismar · · Score: 2

      I agree with your point; that intelligence is not just nurture but also nature and that genetics play a role in this. Whether that link is "very" strong, is probably up for debate.

      However, you open yourself up for serious criticism with a poor example. After all, IQ test do not (just) measure your genetic predisposition for greater intelligence. So, the parents with an IQ of 90 may well have been genetically predisposed for high intelligence, but raised in an environment that failed to capitalize on this. Passing on these traits to the kid, it may well surpass its adopted parents if it receives the same quality education and upbringing they have.

      Backing it up with anecdotal evidence doesn't help the case either. Bottom line is people still aren't sure what is causing the rise in IQ, but we can be fairly sure it's not (or hardly) genetics. The rise seems to be too steep for it to just boil down to natural selection doing its work on our gene pool. The linked Wikipedia entry offers a few reasonable explanations.

      In the end, the piece isn't about why any single individual might have a higher or lower IQ. It's about the constant need to raise the bar and re-calibrate IQ tests to make sure that a score of "100" represents average intelligence. The parent was just making the point that (average) intelligence might be raised mostly through better education and upbringing and the Wikipedia article offers a few more explanations.

    125. Re:Simple... by operagost · · Score: 1

      I for one do not believe American's at least are getting any smarter.

      Well, they certainly aren't getting any better at punctuation usage.

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    126. Re:Simple... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Based on two examples I'm intimately familiar with, my son got a lot better education than I did. He had access to a special University program, and learned calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, and some abstract algebra and complex analysis (and a discrete math course that wasn't through that program) before graduating from high school. I was merely competent with derivatives when I graduated, and had to learn the other stuff in college.

      The kid also took engineering courses throughout high school, and was studying several subjects on the college level. There are several programs now that do this. He graduated high school with about half the credits he'd need for his BS degree, except that most of them are the wrong credits for EE/ME graduation requirements. I don't think he's necessarily smarter than I am, but he had a lot more opportunities for academic success than I did. (There were plenty of high school programs for the non-academic, also, but I have no personal acquaintance with them.)

      This was from programs in the public school system of a core city. We didn't have to go digging for this advanced stuff, since the teachers told us about everything. I can't speak for other public school systems (well, aside from the horribly homophobic one my nephews endured), but this is my anecdotal evidence and I'm sticking to it.

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    127. Re:Simple... by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or does everyone on the entire internet claim to have an IQ ~150? Where is the other 99.9663019177% of the population?

      I never took a real IQ test, but I scored 165 on an Online IQ test.

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    128. Re:Simple... by Byrel · · Score: 1

      Actually, there was some fairly interesting research on maternal/paternal twins, which (to my mind) conclusively demonstrate a genetic link. They simply compared the standard deviation of the differences of IQ between paternal and maternal twins, and found a significantly higher correlation among maternal twins (who share nearly identical genetics.)

      In fact, I'd be quite surprised if genetics played no role at all. By the same token, this article clearly show that nurture dwarfs nature in effect. But they both do influence it.

    129. Re:Simple... by Byrel · · Score: 1

      News flash; there's quite a few bright people these days with atrocious handwriting. Of course, these days they usually have fair to middling typing skills at the least...

    130. Re:Simple... by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      I didn't say I'm a genius, I said I tested at genius levels. There is a difference. I don't actually equate IQ score to actual genius. I know a gentleman who does car bodywork that I would call a genius any day of the week. The things that man can do with a welding torch, fibre glass, and a paint sprayer are amazing, and though I tested at genius levels I can't even begin to understand how he gets those things to bend to his will they way they do.

      He also would probably register around 100-110 on an IQ scale simply because he has zero interest in most anything outside of body work and his family.

      You are assuming inheritance as the proximal cause. I'm not tracing Einstein's lineage. He may have inherited some of his brains, but the more likely explanation in someone of his calibres case is a mutation that caused an over expression of certain genes related to intelligence. Honestly if they can find some of his genetic material somewhere I'd like to see them sequence his DNA. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that for you, I have a tendency to skip over things I feel are obvious. This is a problem of mine as it leads to misunderstandings over text-based communication's quite often and for a long time did in conversations as well. Its something I'm working on.

      Regardless, you're arguing semantics and bullshit, accusing me of "hand-waving" when I provide the published papers backing up what I said. The guy I was responding to originally was being purposefully antagonistic there, and elsewhere. I just don't like leaving those posts unanswered because they can lead to misconceptions. I may have been fairly snide in my response because of my perception of his intentions.

      Either you are playing devil's advocate, or you have some sort of direct stake, real or imagined, in the subject I was referring to.

      What I refer to is the commonly accepted theory, and as someone else mentioned, without cloning genetically identical babies, at least 50 sets for something that can be as potentially controversial as this, and observing an IQ point spread of much more significance than a better education alone can account for.

      Though it is anecdotal, but not the only anecdotal example I could lay hand to, my body work man could easily be in the 130s or potentially even higher but his father was a welder and... well you see where I'm going with that. He isn't inclined towards academics so he would never have been extremely high but I'm almost certain education could account for an upwards of 30 point spread on occasion.

    131. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, sometimes you really need a little gratuitous silliness to relax after challenging highbrow fare like Benny Hill...

    132. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then maybe low-tier courses shouldn't give degrees, or shouldn't give the same sort of degrees.

      If somebody is out of high school and still doesn't know basic arithmetic, something failed. If somebody wants to fix an instance of that failure on their own, that's great.

    133. Re:Simple... by r1348 · · Score: 1

      This assuming that intelligence is a genetic trait.
      There's a long list of very smart people with very humble origins to disprove that.

    134. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a long list of very smart people with very humble origins to disprove that.

      Being poor is not the same as being stupid. It seems as if you are falling for the age old assumption that poor people are poor because they deserve to be. Without you believing this, your statement makes no sense.

      Being of "humble origins" has nothing to do with your intelligence or your genes. People aren't genetically poor. Because of this, smart people coming from "humble origins" really disproves nothing.

    135. Re:Simple... by evultrole · · Score: 1

      Mental retardation is seldom genetic.

      Mental retardation is overwhelmingly caused by fragile X syndrome or down syndrome, which are 100% genetic. They make up the majority of the developmentally delayed community.

    136. Re:Simple... by hawk · · Score: 1

      So do they get nagged after going with the crowd on something stupid with, "If all of your friends learned to read, does that mean you would learn to read? :)

      hawk

    137. Re:Simple... by hawk · · Score: 1

      >Shakespeare couldn't spell his own name,

      Sure he could.

      In a dozen different ways.

      hawk

    138. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt you ever tested at 172 on any reputable IQ test. That's close to 1 in a million and would make you one of the smartest few hundred people in America (assuming you're American).

    139. Re:Simple... by r1348 · · Score: 1

      Actually, my comment goes to disprove both that intelligence is a genetic trait and that one's wealth is the direct consequence of his intelligence.
      Let me rephrase: there's plenty of smart people who died in poverty.

    140. Re:Simple... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      120 here. Not ashamed of that, more about being unhappy in general - intellect doesn't necessarily help.

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    141. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree! The dumbass and socially inept crap that consumes most people's lives definitely encourages them to "dummy down". Sad :(

    142. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Where did you hear that? The cause of a third to half of all mental deficiencies is unknown.

    143. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Not everyone on the internet, but I would think that on a nerd site, 150 would be quite low; that's barely enough to get into MENSA. Look at the difference between most /. comments and, say, Yahoo news. This is where I come to read folks who are smarter than me.

    144. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      What exactly is your basis of this imagination from?

      Intelligence is the ability to learn. When you're born you know absolutely nothing. Afterwards there are an incredible amount of ways to damage that organ.

    145. Re:Simple... by hackula · · Score: 1

      You read slashdot comments and think that the average commenter would qualify for MENSA??? Sure, it's better than Yahoo where the average IQ is probably around 85, but I would not put the Slashdot average anywhere above 115. You realize that you probably do not even know anyone with an IQ above 160? Someone with an IQ of 130 is pretty damn intelligent. 160 is an absolute rarity.

    146. Re:Simple... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Yes, I realize that only 1% of people have an IQ of 150, but that's there are three million people in the US alone. I'm pretty sure that a couple of guys I've worked with are 160 or higher, especially Dave and Charlie (who I worked with for ten years without knowing they held doctorates; Dave held two and Charlie had a doctorate and two Masters in different fields. But I do realize it doesn't take a genius to hold a PhD, one of the stupidest people I know has one).

      If I'm in a group of 200 people, chances are at least one is smarter than me.

      I have seen the overall intelligence drop at slashdot as the non-nerds started comeing here.

  2. I would guess "literacy" by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most IQ tests are in written form, so they can only be administered to children and adults old enough to read. So, only people who've been exposed to at least kindergarten plus (for a lot of people) preschool.

    I am not a teacher, but I would venture to say that a whole buckload of evidence-based developmental psychology has gone into improving the educational system since 1912. Plus, things like school enrollment have gone way up. In 1912 a lot of rural kids -- and most people lived in the country -- went to one-room schoolhouses.

    So I would think that IQ scores should go up in the competency areas schools have been trying to cultivate. And I would say, thinking about how different the education system probably is today, I'd be more surprised if nothing had changed.

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    1. Re:I would guess "literacy" by jittles · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most IQ tests are in written form, so they can only be administered to children and adults old enough to read. So, only people who've been exposed to at least kindergarten plus (for a lot of people) preschool.

      I am not a teacher, but I would venture to say that a whole buckload of evidence-based developmental psychology has gone into improving the educational system since 1912. Plus, things like school enrollment have gone way up. In 1912 a lot of rural kids -- and most people lived in the country -- went to one-room schoolhouses.

      So I would think that IQ scores should go up in the competency areas schools have been trying to cultivate. And I would say, thinking about how different the education system probably is today, I'd be more surprised if nothing had changed.

      They do have non-written IQ tests that they give in certain circumstances. My school had me take an IQ test in 4th grade. They thought I cheated on it and made me take it again. The second time I was being monitored by someone from the school district. The second test they gave me was not written at all. They gave me physical puzzles and had me solve different challenges and measured the time it took me to solve each puzzle. I don't know how accurate the written test is compared to the physical test, but I am sure it is much more expensive to administer the second test over the first.

    2. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      My guess would be social stability and conditions. Even a poor person today in the US has access to resources and time saving devices that a wealthy person a hundred years ago could only dream of. As people have more time to spend on improving themselves and being able to focus on their education, that's what they do. Also access to information has increased considerably, travel may broaden the mind but there's a lot of information readily available on the TV and the internet.

    3. Re:I would guess "literacy" by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Troll

      You like to gloat don't you?

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    4. Re:I would guess "literacy" by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Maybe more than literacy the key is culture. This culture. And it includes a lot of implicit/explicit things that are similar to those iq tests (i.e. pattern matching games).

      Anyway, you can't measure people from different cultures (and yes, even in the same country and city, today's culture is different from the one 20 years ago) with the same ruler.

    5. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true: Ravens Progressive Matrices for children can be administered beginning age 5. (non verbal)

    6. Re:I would guess "literacy" by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      There are IQ tests that are geared towards 2 year olds.
      Oddly, what you mentioned are not the big factors. IQ is set early in life – say before 5. What matters is improved:
              Prenatal health. More folic acid, less drinking by mom.
              Better environments: Less lead in the paint, more calories to eat - even empty.
              Better early childhood education. See Planet Money for a good story.

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/10/19/163256866/episode-411-why-preschool-can-save-the-world

      i.e. the big gains are not coming from boosting the top 20% - It is doing a lot of small things. IIRC the removal of lead paint and gas is responsible for a 1 to 2 point increase in IQ in America over the past 40 years. Young children no longer get high fevers that cook their brain, eliminating a who vector for mental retardation. Etc.

    7. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they made me take the second test to confirm if I was really as stupid as the first test indicated. :(

    8. Re:I would guess "literacy" by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      So, the second time, you only got *part* of the IQ test?

      I took three of them over a span of two weeks. Turns out it wasn't me after all. It was my parents' divorce. Who knew?

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    9. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, but most IQ tests are not in written form. Professional IQ tests do not require any writing at all. I know this because I study and have administered countless of them. Some of the tests that have been studied with regard to the Flynn effect require writing, but the Flynn effect has been demonstrated on completely nonverbal tests, where you don't have to even speak. Responding to the non-Western issue raised elsewhere also, it's also been demonstrated with totally nonverbal tests in totally nonliterate non-Western societies.

      Explaining the Flynn effect has been elusive, and it's not going to be solved on Slashdot, despite what some think. All of the explanations being floated here and more have been researched (competition, diet, nutrition, intellectual pastimes, literacy, decreased serious congenital disease, decreased inbreeding, etc.), and although some of them might explain a small fraction of the Flynn effect, most of it has remained unexplained.

      Two other things regarding the Flynn effect are noteworthy:

      First, there is some evidence the Flynn effect has been declining in the last decade or two, in some places. I.e., people aren't increasing in their intellectual ability any longer (they're not decreasing, but they're not increasing). This phenomenon has been noted by some theorists in support of their explanation (i.e., I think this was cited along with inbreeding trends among those who have advocated that explanation).

      Second, although individuals have been increasing on tests of general cognitive ability, they have not been increasing as much or as clearly on academic achievement tests during that time period, at least in the US. In fact, I think on reading achievement tests, there's actually be some evidence of decline over the long term in certain regions (although whether it's statistically significant is unclear). This is important as it suggests people aren't improving on every type of performance-based test. It's also important because it suggests that a lot of what people think of as intelligence--academic achievment--isn't actually the thing that's been increasing in the Flynn effect (if it actually still is increasing).

    10. Re:I would guess "literacy" by fermion · · Score: 1
      There was a study done a few years back where scientist went in the deep Amazon are gave a geometry test, in picture form, to the natives. They did as well on it. There are some details I am forgetting, but pretty much it indicates that much that when it comes to IQ it is a combination between the life experience we all share and the specific things we are taught by our culture. For instance, some might think it perfectly reasonable to give the following question on an IQ test: What is the best way keep a cows from crossing a driveway over a ditch without using a gate. Do a) use a retractable brige, b)put a grate over the ditch c) put a scarecrow in the ditch or d) none of the above.

      I assume that everyone can get this answer correct, because anyone who is civilized should have life experience of driving into ranches and seeing the grates. But of course not all do. Which is to say that one reason the IQ increases is that with TV and the internet the cultural differences are becoming less pronounced.

      However teaching does play a role. Leopold Mozart developed and wrote about ways of teaching children the violen. 30 years ago the only students in high level high school courses were those that would behave and could learn from a textbook. Now almost anyone with an interest can be in higher level high school course, both because the current generation of adults are more educated, and also we have better methods of teaching. It is more likely than every that a student is going to be exposed to higher math, science, literature, before they are 18.

      It is not that these classes are special, but they do teach high level sustained thinking and mental discipline, which means that these students are more likely to make an effort and tolerate a test. Practical people, who correctly do not see a point in inauthentic testing, are going to be less likely to take a test seriously. Kids who have had 20 years of testing will be more likely. We see this around here a lot. Give me a problem to solve that will generate a years worth of billing, and I will do it. Give me a game or a test that does nothing, and why spend my time on it?

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    11. Re:I would guess "literacy" by elucido · · Score: 1

      Most IQ tests are in written form, so they can only be administered to children and adults old enough to read. So, only people who've been exposed to at least kindergarten plus (for a lot of people) preschool.

      I am not a teacher, but I would venture to say that a whole buckload of evidence-based developmental psychology has gone into improving the educational system since 1912. Plus, things like school enrollment have gone way up. In 1912 a lot of rural kids -- and most people lived in the country -- went to one-room schoolhouses.

      So I would think that IQ scores should go up in the competency areas schools have been trying to cultivate. And I would say, thinking about how different the education system probably is today, I'd be more surprised if nothing had changed.

      Ravens progressive matrices don't require you know how to read.

    12. Re:I would guess "literacy" by dwye · · Score: 1

      What is the best way keep a cows from crossing a driveway over a ditch without using a gate. Do a) use a retractable brige, b)put a grate over the ditch c) put a scarecrow in the ditch or d) none of the above.

      Obviously, a retractable bridge into one's ring fort or crannoch, as otherwise enemy raiders can follow and steal them (and burn the hall and rape the women, and even take them all as slaves).

      "Best" requires defining more parameters than just using that word, alone. Out in Colorado, since the Indians have been taken care of (if only by convincing them that life as a cowhand beats life as a nomad, or stuck on the Reservation), the grate might be better, but the is because of other conditions not stated in the question, but very pertinent when asking if intelligence has changed just because IQ scores have.

    13. Re:I would guess "literacy" by jittles · · Score: 2

      No I don't. In fact a few years ago I had a head injury and am definitely not as smart as I used to be. Besides, you never know, I could have grown up in some redneck school where anything higher than 100 was considered abnormal. Or what if they thought they saw me looking at other peoples tests? There could be a million reasons why they thought I cheated, and I never specified which. I don't even know what the results of said test were, because my parents would not tell me.

    14. Re:I would guess "literacy" by jittles · · Score: 1

      Well I won't claim to be an expert on IQ tests, but I am pretty sure I took the entire test they planned. And it was a long time ago, I don't remember it very well anymore. I just remember solving puzzles. There were also some verbal questions, probably. I don't remember that part very well at all. The person definitely asked me a lot of questions, I just don't know whether it was part of the test. Some of the questions involved asking why I took a particular approach to a problem, if I recall correctly.

    15. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Fned · · Score: 1

      They do have non-written IQ tests that they give in certain circumstances...The second test they gave me was not written at all. They gave me physical puzzles and had me solve different challenges and measured the time it took me to solve each puzzle.

      Obligatory.

    16. Re:I would guess "literacy" by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      In 1912 a lot of rural kids -- and most people lived in the country -- went to one-room schoolhouses.

      And even later. My late Uncle was born in 1920 and attended school in a one room schoolhouse.

    17. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Given the educational level of many people I see leaving high school and even college, I am going to have to disagree with you. It is common for students to get credit for classes that they have not gained competency in.

    18. Re:I would guess "literacy" by fermion · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it is maturity. I have seen situations where someone did not seem to know very much, but give them a few years in life and work experience, and the the knowledge seems to manifest. It is like a a pre-adolescent. They can spout facts about all sorts of stuff, but how much do they know? Not that much really until their brains organize as the move through adolescence. Once they approach adulthood, the knowledge and experience can finally integrate. Some are more mature so can do this at an earlier age. What is clear is passing a test is simply about knowing how to pass a test, that is thinking like the test maker.

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    19. Re:I would guess "literacy" by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Sure, there are the rare cases. Generally, it is just that people are getting terrible educations and the paper mill schools (that includes the 'real' colleges) are just passing them through.

  3. Our World by Murdoch5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    100 years ago your day included throwing on overalls and going farming. Everything was X, Y, Z, you could write it down, follow it and have it work. Even the early industrial movement showed thinking that followed X, Y, Z. As humanity has progressed and started to apply philosophical ideals to tasks we have developed systems where a job that was once X, Y, Z is now a complex equation of variable introduction. Fundamentally everything has seen this shift, from farming up to global commerce. So why have the IQ score gone up, well I would say it's probably because of the mental level of application required to grasp the basic ideas.

    1. Re:Our World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also tractors.

    2. Re:Our World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're giving us too much credit. Or do you think the 1895 high school test is too easy?
      http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/2333-American-Education,-1895.html

    3. Re:Our World by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I believe it is possible that epigenetics may have something to do with it. In many ways intelligence can be a liability when times are harsh- under bad circumstances a intelligent person may kill themselves or go into depression whereas a dullard would soldier on. In response to the easy times of the modern world our genes have the luxury of expressing more risky traits...

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  4. the obvious cause by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you practice at something for years, you get better at it. I played video games for a lot of years and now I'm a puzzle-solving genius by 100 years ago standards. It's all because of video games.

    1. Re:the obvious cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. this could account for some of the abstract reasoning skills. especially since video games use those skills far more than knowledge based skills like math, and therefore would develop those abstract skills.

    2. Re:the obvious cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, you're much better at jumping from platform to platform and stomping mushrooms than your grandfather was!

    3. Re:the obvious cause by ThreeDeeNut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Honestly, I think your right. Games are just one example, but yea people also have more time to dedicate to the obscure intellects. Maybe that answers the underlying question he asks.

      It seems to stand to reason that when your not forced by nature to be spending every minute of every day worrying about your survival. Imagine how much work it must have been to hand till or even horse till a field. Regular hunting for food. The hours spend washboarding your clothes, and the difficulty of shopping daily for other food because of the lack of abundant refrigeration. We take it for granted now, but a drive through cheeseburger joint was something mythical 150 years ago. Now instead of worrying about survival, we put efforts into abstracts. We have the luxury of time to dedicate to tv, games, youtube, and other edutainment medias.

      I mean even in work our lives have become extremely abstract. I would bet 150 years ago that even something like a resume was only for the elite if even they needed them. The rest of us would have been left with the choice of milk the cows or tend the crops on the family farm. You didn't even have to look for the work, there was plenty enough to do. Take the time back to 300 years (which really isn't that far back in time) and we would seem like aliens and be totally unrelated to people and their daily activities.

    4. Re:the obvious cause by zyberwoof · · Score: 1

      And he knows that not all castles contain princesses.

    5. Re:the obvious cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still remember that moment as a kid. I finally, after much hard work, I touched the ax, the bridge fell, Bowser "died," and the victory music played. Then, the whole princess speech... wait why does it look like..., a whole new set of levels??? All told, it took me a year of incremental gain to beat that game with no warps. Of course, I was somewhere in the neighborhood of six or seven.

    6. Re:the obvious cause by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I don't entirely disagree with you, but people and possibly the IQ tests fail to measure the knowledge lost. You give the example of the drive through being mythical 150 years ago. Today, the idea of taking a cow, some 'weeds' from a field, tomatoes and some cucumbers and turning those into a cheeseburger seems just as mythical to a very large segment of society.

  5. YouTube comments by ewg · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know I'm personally getting smarter: recently stopped reading YouTube comments!

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    1. Re:YouTube comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      but you're posting on slashdot...

    2. Re:YouTube comments by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      It's reading Slashdot. Posting is just confirming the diagnosis.

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    3. Re:YouTube comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thumbs up if Cmdr. Taco sent you here!

    4. Re:YouTube comments by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      I know I'm personally getting smarter: recently stopped reading YouTube comments!

      I only use YT to find music, and occasionally pause to read the comments. It's amusing (and sad) to see people blather on about things like what "Snoopy vs. the Red Baron" is about, without the faintest sign of a clue.

      At least one person knew who the Red Baron was.

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    5. Re:YouTube comments by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      It's reading Slashdot. Posting is just confirming the diagnosis.

      Yes, we've progressed from not reading the articles to not even reading the comments we're replying to.

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    6. Re:YouTube comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you keep reading the Slashdot ones?

  6. Betteridge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A cursory glance at the people in your local Walmart says:

    No

  7. More brain exercise at a young age. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always figured it was because we're exposed to much more complex mental stimulation (brain exercise) at younger ages.

  8. An alternative suggestion by madprof · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IQ test are not worth a lot. The summarising of "intelligence" into a single figure is hopelessly blunt.
    Nice to see Pioneer Fund grant recipients Murray and Herrnstein getting a mention. Or are we supposed to forget the racist subtext of The Bell Curve?

    1. Re:An alternative suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that "The Bell Curve" can be used by racists to further their agenda, but I disagree that we, as a society, should not acknowledge that a Bell Curve of IQ actually exists. I see this as a major problem with our public school system. All people are not created equal and when you treat them as such, you short change everyone. We must admit that everyone is different and everyone needs custom education tailored to their needs.

    2. Re:An alternative suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, this is the first post I'd consider insightful, though admittedly I might have missed a few in the threading.

      Intelligence tests aren't measuring anything discreet, they are producing a measurement based on secondary analysis.

    3. Re:An alternative suggestion by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Excellent points, and to anyone familiar with Gladwell's pathetic Tipping Point and familiar with his "sources" realizes the majority of the studies he used to bolster his writing were invalidated quite some time ago. Gladwell is a hack writer, PERIOD!

    4. Re:An alternative suggestion by madprof · · Score: 1

      I am not against psychometric testing, but what do you mean by "custom education"? What is "tailoring to their needs"?
      Which needs, and what are you hoping to achieve at the end of it?

    5. Re:An alternative suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or are we supposed to forget the racist subtext of The Bell Curve?

      The amount of raw data in The Bell Curve made it a Rorschach test for anyone who read it. You saw what you wanted to see. Every ___ist or ___ism in the world could find a reason to burn that book.

      Also, the amount of raw data in The Bell Curve ensured that the set of people that actually read the book have little overlap with the ___ists and ___isms that complain about it.

    6. Re:An alternative suggestion by madprof · · Score: 1

      Not really - it is possible to evaluate data, believe it or not.

      You're aware of the specific recommendations the book makes, right? And the comments the authors make in the book about other people in the field, like Rushton?

  9. because we teach it now by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Abstract reasoning used to be the almost exclusive province of mathematicians and philosophers. Now we teach it in schools.

    1. Re:because we teach it now by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Abstract reasoning used to be the almost exclusive province of mathematicians and philosophers. Now we teach it in schools.

      Perhaps, but we also use it now. We teach and use it on our electronic devices. Remember the "desktop metaphor"? People including kids regularly manipulate things through at least one layer of abstraction. We build this in starting around 3 years old these days.

      Example:
      My kid wants some new song on moms iPod, we have to "get it" on there. They navigate through the "store" to find it, then "buy it" and now it resides somewhere on the iPod where it wasn't before. While we take if for granted, this virtual world is far more abstract than buying a physical CD (record, tape) off the store shelf and then having to put it in/on a physical device to play it.

      I have often suspected one of the reasons bilingual people tend to score as smarter is that they have abstracted the physical world away from the concept of "the word is the thing" out of necessity. Once you have a more abstract concept of a thing with words associated with it, you can think about it somehow at a more abstract level. I wonder if some of our virtual things these days are giving some of that benefit.

      That and the fact that they teach reading earlier - my first grader could read most of this post, whereas I remember reading Dick and Jane around that age.

    2. Re:because we teach it now by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That isn't true. We just do a lot more useless abstractions that people used to do. I'm pretty sure things like using a target or bail of hay as an abstraction for a rabbit or enemy so that you could get better at shooting a bow was pretty common historically.

    3. Re:because we teach it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the process several years ago of sorting though my mothers things, I came across several of the Little Golden Books. I must have read them, they are dog-eared and torn. To this day I still abuse books. I however do not remember the actual act of reading the books. Does your ability to do so indicate anything about our relative IQs ? Most likely not, but it may indicate that we have different versions of intelligence.

  10. Choice by Naatach · · Score: 2

    I would argue that the mountain of choices we have available to us now compared to 100 years ago would account for some the gains in abstract reasoning measurements. 100 year ago: Rabbit A or Rabbit B didn't matter much. The store only had a few brands of any particular product, if they were even branded at all. Today - Shoes: sneakers, loafers, sandals, pumps, flat, Nike, Adidas, New Balance, Nunn Bush, Bass, brown, black, leather, synthetic, Air, laces, straps, etc. We have to choose what we think will suit us best, weight one choice against another hundreds of times per day. We have to weigh the inputs - advertising, peer pressure, style, function, preferences. All of this takes heavy reasoning capabilities.

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    1. Re:Choice by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      would argue that the mountain of choices we have available to us now compared to 100 years ago would account for some the gains in abstract reasoning measurements. 100 year ago: Rabbit A or Rabbit B didn't matter much. The store only had a few brands of any particular product, if they were even branded at all.

      You've been watching too many westerns. First, 100 years ago was 1912. Look at one product, beer. There were almost all the brands of American beer there are today, except Busch and "lite" beers which were more modern (I'm two years older than Busch). A-B had both Budweiser and Michelob, there was Miller, there was Coors. Look at the choice of beers they had in Europe -- the same brands you have today.

      Toothpaste? You had Ponds, Three Star, Darkie, Life Savers. Back then you not only had toothpaste, but tooth powder as well.

      We have to choose what we think will suit us best, weight one choice against another hundreds of times per day.

      You buy hundreds of things every day???

      We have to weigh the inputs - advertising, peer pressure, style, function, preferences.

      You think those things didn't exist in 1912? And not only that, there were products that you no longer have a choice of.

  11. 2 words by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Iodized salt.

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    1. Re:2 words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Say what? Please elaborate...

    2. Re:2 words by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Iodine is critical for mental development in childhood and necessary for metabolism as an adult. It's also one of the nutrients that is hardest to get from a diet without variety (especially salt water fish) because it is leeched out from soil and run to the ocean. Iodized salt has meant that the average human being around the world is less iodine deprived and thus not as likely to have mental deficiencies from the deprivation.

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  12. 100 IQ is relative to average by ls671 · · Score: 4, Informative

    IQ is relative, so even if people were getting smarter on average, they should not score higher in IQ tests :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Mental_age_vs._modern_method

    When an IQ test is constructed, a standardization sample representative of the general population takes the test. The median result is defined to be equivalent to 100 IQ points. In almost all modern tests, a standard deviation of the results is defined to be equivalent to 15 IQ points. When a subject takes an IQ test, the result is ranked compared to the results of the standardization sample and the subject is given an IQ score equal to those with the same test result in the standardization sample.

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    1. Re:100 IQ is relative to average by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

      Interesting point. So perhaps the explanation is simple: the Lake Wobegon effect.

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    2. Re:100 IQ is relative to average by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

      And? They have to regularly readjust the raw scores upwards to keep the score required to be average at 100. If they didn't, the previous years' raw scores for 100 would shift the curve so that most people get a score of 101 or more.

      Realize that there is a time component to the scores as well, as averages cannot be found for a single, instantaneous point in time. Because of this, people taking IQ tests furthest forward in time for a time range that the raw scores are calculated for will, in fact, tend to have higher IQ scores.

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    3. Re:100 IQ is relative to average by EasyTarget · · Score: 0

      Mod this up please!

      It's important to understand that what is being discussed here is impossible; Correctly performed IQ testing cannot measure the overall intelligence of a society; just the relative performance of individuals within it.

      The article author is either totally uninformed about IQ tests; or is trolling.

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    4. Re:100 IQ is relative to average by mmelson · · Score: 1

      You've got to be careful with the term "average". In the text you quoted, it says that the *median* is defined as 100 IQ points, but that doesn't mean the *mean* isn't increasing. If the bottom half of the population is not getting dumber but the top half is getting smarter, you could have a situation where the median is still 100 but the mean is going up.

    5. Re:100 IQ is relative to average by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that is why they said someone who got a 100 on the test years ago would get a lower score now? That seems to imply they know the average point used for a score of 100 shifts depending what year the test from. IQ tests can still be used for tracking trends over time, because they have to compare each test with a previous one to figure out where the score of 100 should be. There is a record of these adjustments for different tests going back some years.

  13. Can you score higher IQ? by alphatel · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Despite being exceptionally bright, I never scored higher than 125 on the IQ tests they made you take in high school. Some years later I decided to try to get a high IQ to qualify for Mensa. After studying for only a month, I scored 145 on math and 132 on English. Can anyone make themselves appear smarter? Yes, despite the fact that many claim we can't.
    Disclaimer: I may have been stoned to the bejezus when taking some of those high school iq tests.

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    1. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Of course you can. All IQ tests are essentially different cognitive games you must play and do well on. Unfortunately, the rules for each aren't given to you, so you must figure them out on your own. There are a finite set of these games used in tests, so if you take the effort to learn or figure out the rules ahead of time, you can absolutely affect your score, by dozens of points.

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    2. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I may have been stoned to the bejezus when taking some of those high school iq tests.

      That and the circumstances of the test might have been different. Back in Junior High, four students were taken from class without notice, taken to a room and told to take a test. I asked when we would get the results, and the test giver said that we wouldn't get to see them at all. With this I wasn't motivated to bother. Also, the test was some sort of multipart form where it was self grading after you separated the forms. I spent the entire time trying to figure out the mechanics of the forms, instead of what was written on them. To this day, I regret not taking the forms apart, since there was no rule that you couldn't and no stated downside if you did.

      When you took the test for yourself, you were probably motivated to do well. When psychologists compare tests given to students, they tend to compare ones given under similar circumstances and similar motivation. Exspecially for kids pre-reading, motivation is the biggest factor in the test score.

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    3. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by Sique · · Score: 1

      That's because IQ tests have a narrow band in which they measure quite exactly. The test you took in school was supposed to be correct in the 85-115 area to predict the schooling potential of the pupils. Everyone below 85 and above 115 was not supposed to be exactly measured, just some estimation, good enough for the teacher for instance to guess that the >115 pupils should be able to score As in most subjects, and Cs indicated that they are getting slacky.

      The MENSA test you took later was supposed to be very exact around 130, the cutoff. It would have been just a guess for people with an IQ of 110, and wildly inaccurate for people around 100. It probably couldn't get a good result for people above 140 either, because it isn't supposed to do so.

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    4. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Despite being exceptionally bright"

      haha. your posts say otherwise.

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    5. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by elucido · · Score: 1

      Despite being exceptionally bright, I never scored higher than 125 on the IQ tests they made you take in high school. Some years later I decided to try to get a high IQ to qualify for Mensa. After studying for only a month, I scored 145 on math and 132 on English. Can anyone make themselves appear smarter? Yes, despite the fact that many claim we can't.

        Disclaimer: I may have been stoned to the bejezus when taking some of those high school iq tests.

      I have had similar results. Yes you can boost your IQ by 10-20 points by learning how to solve Ravens progressive matrices which is the majority of the test and if it's something like vocabulary or whatever then when you have access to a better learning environment than you had in childhood such as through the internet then you can ace certain things.

      Yes your IQ can go up if you dedicate time to getting it to go up and if you try to get into MENSA yes you can get in. You don't have to take the test only once, so they take the highest score you ever achieved. On a good day you might score high enough to get into MENSA and you only have to do it once in your lifetime to get in.

    6. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course, figuring out the rules to a game is itself a skill you get better at with practice.

    7. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you want to get into Mensa?

      You want to show other people: "look I is smart!"?

      If you want to join a club with people who actually have brains, go out and get yourself a physics degree from an accredited university; or better yet an Engineering Physics degree.

    8. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      This is correct. My school had a psychologist come and evaluate me and several other students in middle school, because the standard test was limited and we were scoring "perfect" scores on it. One of my classmates was re-estimated to have an IQ of 160; mine was marked around 140 with "no math ceiling." (I later found this out to be untrue. I have mild discalculia.) Most of us were shuffled off to the gifted program until high school.

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    9. Re:Can you score higher IQ? by marcovje · · Score: 1

      True, but even then there are more hidden assumptions.

      Namely that base cognitive skills are independent of upbringing and education level. Something that may be assumed for schools, but is harder in an historic context where 50 years ago when only a very small part of the populace had education after primary school.

      Or 100 years ago, where even primary school was considered privileged

  14. Man's imagination exceeds his grasp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think we're meant to know the answer to this one. Insert facts, or conspiracy theory here. I don't have time to read the full article, but what I would like to see is someone from *today* take a IQ test from "yesterday." If they do much better on today's, then its obvious that the test is easier. If they do the same on each, then that would make sense.
     
    The other avenue takes us down the genetic/environmental train (neo-cons please step off), where we need to realize, if we are scoring higher on IQ tests that are the same, then we have to think about those two. I don't think genetic is going to play that large of a part - but could. Some of the smartest dogs are mutts, and we're all pretty mutt'ish here in the US. Also, we have a lllllllllot of things in our drinking water and foods that weren't around just 40 years ago. You could very easily say that nutrition helps cognitive thinking, however my experiences with people who base their decisions on emotions rather than fact, even thought they are very intelligent, makes me think twice about that.
     
    Let's try a goto 10.... I don't think we're meant to know the answer to this one.

  15. The Bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, the bar's just getting lower.

  16. Definition of "smart" by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the definition of "smart" is subjective. As Jerrod Diamond pointed out in his book "Guns, Germs, and Steel," a scientist from California looks "smart" on a university campus, but looks like a complete idiot in the New Guinea jungle, where he struggles to follow a trail or build a shelter or find potable water. Similarly, the New Guinean jungle-dweller can improvise all kinds of things in the jungle but doesn't understand how to cross the street or maybe even turn a doorknob. Going beyond Diamond's point, I would say the New Guinean doesn't *need* abstract reasoning or formal logic, but he does probably need to use his brain power in ways I can't really predict because I'd be an idiot in the jungle, myself. So, who is "smarter?" Their environments require different competencies.

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    1. Re:Definition of "smart" by jfruh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry this is uncited, but I remember reading about an IQ test that western researchers tried to give to residents of a rural African village sometime in the mid-to-late 20th century. Most of the villagers were illiterate, so the crux was developing a test that didn't involve reading or writing. One of the test items involved a bunch of abstract shapes that had been molded out of clay; the villagers were told to match the shapes that "went together." Most of them "failed" this part of the test, because the researchers' definition of "passing" would be to match up shapes that looked alike, whereas the villagers tried to interpret the shapes as real objects and group them functionally, e.g., they matched spherical objects that looked like fruit to long, thin objects that looked like knives.

    2. Re:Definition of "smart" by k.a.f. · · Score: 2

      That is completely true, but beside the point. Yes, there are many different kinds of intelligence, you need different sets of skills to succeed, your competence in one set doesn't predict competence in another set, intelligence isn't one-dimensional, etc. All true. But IQ tests are supposed to test precisely only one of these sets: analytical problem-solving intelligence, and they do exactly that. And they have been doing this and ignoring shelter-building or emotional intelligence from the beginning. And still the scores keep going up. So we would like to find a reason why even this limited, narrow slice of intelligence in the population seems to change.

    3. Re:Definition of "smart" by pmontra · · Score: 1

      The researchers failed the IQ test. The villagers are more fit than them for their environment so it should be up to them to define what smart is there. Bring them to NYC and the roles are reversed. IMHO smart and dumb are not absolutes.

    4. Re:Definition of "smart" by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      Well, pulling conjectures completely out of my proverbial hat now (this is Slashdot after all), presumably IQ tests look for attributes that are "important" (from the POV of the psychologists who designed the tests). So if the researchers picked the right "important" attributes to test, these are the same attributes that are necessary and useful in their (read, our) environment.

      That would suggest these analytical skills are getting pervasive daily exercise just by living in the industrialized world.

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    5. Re:Definition of "smart" by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      One of my Mom's bridge friends nearly killed Albert Einstein, when he walked out in front of her car in the middle of the street in Princeton, without looking. So very intelligent people can do some, well, not so very smart things.

      She was relieve that she did not go down in History as the "Woman who killed Einstein."

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    6. Re:Definition of "smart" by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      I had great respect for Prof Diamond as an intellectual and scientist.

      Then I saw him in a documentary. He cried, sobbing like a baby, seeing the plight of babies with malaria. Now I respect him as a compassionate human being ten times more.

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    7. Re:Definition of "smart" by tacokill · · Score: 1

      Mod up. This is an important and correct point he makes. IQ is a unique type of test and it's worthy to ask why scores keep going up.

    8. Re:Definition of "smart" by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It sounds like the real failure was instructing the villagers about the expectations of the test. Instead of saying "match the shapes", they could have asked which clay pieces were the most similar in shape. Unfortunately, this is one of the hardest parts of any testing.

      In my classes, I'm finding that asking questions that have a clear unambiguous answer but don't give away that answer is challenging. This gets much more difficult as the subject of the test gets more abstract.

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    9. Re:Definition of "smart" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to look back and see the extent of the bias, ethnocentrism, and lingering shadow of eugenics now, but at the time, many groups were looking for validation of their superiority over others on the assumption that they were superior. If you and your culture are superior, then superior minds, thinking alike, should be able to comprehend the logic of their ways and accordingly give the proper answers. You're referring to the tested group that ate potatoes with knives in their culture when the expected "correct" answer was a fork, and the results were used to demonstrate what an undeveloped people were in comparison.

  17. Re:Free Cashback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People who modded this guy -1 don't understand: what he posted is actually a very subtle IQ test.

  18. THey make the tests easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they don't want anyone to feel left out. This is the age of pussies.

    1. Re:THey make the tests easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bell curve is big enough for all of us, no one needs to feel left out. Just because, for example, Slashdot allowed people to post without having read even the summary so they can still feel like the are contributing, doesn't mean people will be any less critical at pigeon holing them them into the lower tail of the bell curve.

  19. Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by stoicio · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The gobal diet has improved and , believe it or not, environmental standards have improved.
    Less exposure to heavy metals and diets rich in protein and fat.

    1. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by elucido · · Score: 1

      The gobal diet has improved and , believe it or not, environmental standards have improved.
      Less exposure to heavy metals and diets rich in protein and fat.

      Pollution is actually worse. Diet is actually worse. Food isn't organic, has more chemicals than ever, is more toxic than ever, there is more pollution than ever. Where do you live?

    2. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pollution in cities is probably less than it's been since cities were first built. Romans poisoned themselves with lead, London was a mess for centuries. And "organic" has never been shown to be more healthful or more nutritious.

    3. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by Zinho · · Score: 1

      Pollution is actually worse . . . there is more pollution than ever. Where do you live?

      There's a chance he lives in Ohio, where improvements in water quality have prevented the river from catching fire since 1969. Quoting from the Wiki article:

      Water quality has improved and, partially in recognition of this improvement, the Cuyahoga River was designated as one of 14 American Heritage Rivers in 1998. . . River reaches that were once devoid of fish now support 44 species. The most recent survey in 2008 revealed the two most common species in the river were hogsuckers and spotfin shiners, both moderately sensitive to water quality.

      Alternately, he might be from England:

      . . . the Clean Air Act [of] 1956 . . . started life as a private members bill promoted by Sir Gerald Nabarro in the aftermath of the Great London Smog of 1952. This event saw the deaths of between 4,000 and 12,000 people[citation needed] as a direct result of air pollution. The original Act was updated by the 1968 and 1993 Clean Air Acts. These Acts require that considerable areas of the UK have been declared as Smoke Control Areas where the use of solid fuel is either prohibited or only allowed in special appliances.

      I'm going to assume that since I haven't in my lifetime heard of people literally dying in the western world due to smog inhalation that the situation has improved somewhat since 1952.

      No, we don't live in a pristine wilderness where no industrial byproducts contaminate the natural world. Yes, there are more steps we can (and should) take to continue to reduce the impact of industry on all (esp. human) life on Earth. But to claim that we're somehow getting worse despite all of our efforts is either ignorant or delusional.

      Perhaps I should ask, "Where do you live?" For what it's worth, India, China, and many places in Africa are legitimate answers if you want to hold a "pollution is worse today" position.

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    4. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Food isn't organic,

      You know what else is orgainic?
      Shit.

      Shit and snake venom. Perfectly organic all natural.
      And water is a chemical.

      Of course, you'd know that if your IQ wasn't so low.

    5. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by avandesande · · Score: 1

      The piers surrounding NYC have become worm ridden, the Hudson river used to be so polluted the creatures couldn't survive. I remember going through the Lincoln tunnel in the 70s and it would feel like your lungs would explode. Cars are so clean now you can't commit suicide by running one in your garage.

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    6. Re:Removed Pollution and Improved Diet by airdweller · · Score: 1

      "Pollution is actually worse. Diet is actually worse."
      Sure. As compared to breathing smoke, soot, etc. from hearths or pouring night bowls into the narrow street, for instance? Or infested with lice, bedbugs and who knows what? Or eating food tainted with fungi and bacteria, lacking in most nutrients? Or just being malnourished for most of your life? Or using meds/makeup containing mercury, lead, arsenic, etc.? I guess all those kids dying before the age of 5 and women in labor did that b/c they were just too healthy.

      You remind me of those bleeding heart animal lovers who think that living in the wild is better than heaven.

  20. IQ tests still used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know in the US, but in europe nearly no one uses them anymore, they're considered just like puzzles that you can find on a weekly magazine. And it's weird that they are developed by psychologists, who are not exactly the smartest people around. It would be more appropriate if they were developed by physics PhDs or similar.

    1. Re:IQ tests still used? by wed128 · · Score: 1

      If they were developed by Physicists, they would be subject related. Psycologists are supposed to know how the brain works, and how we learn. That capacity for learning is what is (or should be) tested, not knowledge of physics or any other subject.

  21. SAT/ACT Scores in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    These test scores are sorting men and women into colleges, who from that point marry and start reproducing. So yes, there is a eugenic effect from the academic aspect of society.

  22. Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many researchers disagree with Flynn about the cause of the Flynn effect. Two other common hypotheses are that lower parasite load in children leads to better functioning brains and older people will have bodies under less stress. Better nutrition does essentially the same thing. There's a fair bit of evidence for these hypotheses. For example, if nutrition levels matter then one would expect a lot more movement on the low end of IQ than on the high end and that's exactly what we see. http://synapse.princeton.edu/~brained/chapter15/colom_andres-pueyo05_intelligence_Spanish-schoolchildren-nutrition-hypothesis.pdf. Meanwhile, a good case for the parasite load hypothesis can be found http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289611000286.

    1. Re:Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People aren't getting smarter. Only better at taking tests. Schools nowadays put an emphasis on getting highscores at tests, not learning.
      There are plenty people that get good test scores, but are completely lost when it comes to putting into practice what they've actually learned. Manuals are the best example of this.

    2. Re:Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Flynn effect is cross-cultural though, not just the United States, but essentially global. That's not consistent with the US increased emphasis on test taking. See for example http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289604000522, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886905000711 for Norway and Australia as two example countries. Moreover, if this were caused by increased emphasis on test-taking you'd expect to see the entire bell-curve move up whereas most of the movement is on the lower end. Moreover, if testing were what mattered then the US military would have seen a decreased usefulness in IQ testing as an estimate for whether people will make good soldiers, and yet they haven't seen any decline in usefulness of the ASVAB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Battery.

    3. Re:Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just wasted your time, sorry. Take a look at the posts in this Slashdot discussion. People here don't want your facts, informed opinions and useful references. They want IQ to be meaningless - facts-be-damned.

    4. Re:Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Excellent points, JoshuaZ, and you've demonstrated your obviously superior intelligence by expanding the variables examined, something few, very few are ever able to do.

    5. Re:Other hypotheses- parasite load and nutrition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this funny, insightful, informative, genius, or delightfully overflowing with sarcasm? Perhaps a mix of all 4.

  23. Not so strange by medv4380 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yea the IQ test has to be reballanced every so often to keep 100 at average, and what 100 is now is actually higher than 50 years ago. It's not that people are getting smarter though. It's that people are getting educated. If your average 50 years ago has a 30% illiteracy rate then if you decrease the illiteracy rate then it will appear that the population has gotten smarter. In part, that is true, but having more people educated just means that we are getting closer to our potential. Our maximum potential might not be moving at all, but it's hard to say where that is until the majority gets their maximum amount of education.

    1. Re:Not so strange by geekoid · · Score: 0

      " It's not that people are getting smarter though. It's that people are getting educated. "
      have you taken an IQ test?

      ". If your average 50 years ago has a 30% illiteracy r"
      and those people wouldn't be taking IQ tests. You have nothing.

      Try again.

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    2. Re:Not so strange by medv4380 · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the Original IQ Tests? They were all Picture so that Illiterate people could take them. So yes they were included and have been from the beginning, but as Literacy has expanded the tests have changed to include the higher level questions that can only be described with words and not pictures.

    3. Re:Not so strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IQ does not measure education. The tests are carefully constructed not to. Yes, there are some "general knowledge" questions on some of the tests (like the WAIS), but it's only one section out of a dozen (and none of those questions are especially esoteric or specialized).

      Most of the tests consists of matrices, abstract reasoning, finding sequences, putting together block puzzles, etc. There's also a vocabulary subsection where you get a word and are asked to define it. This might correlate with education more than the other sub-tests, but not all that much. For instance, many college grads may not do as well on the vocab test as a gifted high school drop-out. Which brings me to my main point: It's not that education increases the IQ, but that educated people have higher IQ's in the first place.

      The average IQ of a person holding a B.S. degree is 115. The average IQ of someone with a PhD is around 125. Science PhD's tend to be 130 with physics and math PhD's having the highest average IQ's (generally averaging 135-140, which is close to the top 1% of the populace). Therefore, your average science PhD will be smart enough to join Mensa (which requires an IQ in the top 2%).

      In the old days, the SAT used to correlate highly to IQ. Then they changed the test around 1994 to make it more of an achievement test (likely due to political correctness). As a general rule, if you took the test prior to the '94, your IQ score would be roughly equal to your SAT score minus one of the zeroes. For instance, if you scored 1300, your IQ would be roughly 130 (there are exact conversions online, but this is close enough). Since only a handful of people scored 1600 each year, this means they had IQ's of at least 160, which fits in pretty well with the rarity of such people.

  24. Global Consciousness by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    See "Global Consciousness" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_consciousness and Jung's "Collective unconscious" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconscious

    Whether this is some sort of all-extensive world-soul, or just the fact that people are more connected because of technology, we all seem to be moving toward thinking the same.

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  25. A self-evident answer by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    Surely if we really were more intelligent, we'd know the answer to the question "why are IQ scores improving?"

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    1. Re:A self-evident answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we'd know it from within the comfort of our flying cars too.

      If we are getting smarter, which I personally doubt, then it's not making the world a better place.

    2. Re:A self-evident answer by MrLizard · · Score: 1

      What's that saying?
      "If the mind were simple enough to understand, we wouldn't be smart enough to understand it."?

    3. Re:A self-evident answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or we'd know that we currently lack sufficient data to determine the cause. We might ponder whether any amount of data could ever suffice to prove it. Then perhaps consider whether the concept of absolute cause in a chaotic system is a tenable one. Finally concluding that the only thing you can say regarding events and conditions is that they happened and they exist, but not categorically state why. Then we'd celebrate having avoided getting stymied in a philosophical quagmire by drinking scotch until the chances of such metaphorical metaphysical messes are mitigated.

  26. Getting smarter? by rossdee · · Score: 2

    I wonder what the total IQ of the House Science Committee is?

    1. Re:Getting smarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's complex.

    2. Re:Getting smarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100

    3. Re:Getting smarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take the square root of -1, multiply that result by any number.

    4. Re:Getting smarter? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the total IQ of the House Science Committee is?

      Probably somewhere between 1 and Q

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  27. Re:IQ tests are getting dumbed down... by boneglorious · · Score: 1

    Well, seeing as how Idiocracy is fiction, I really don't see that as good evidence of anything. And even if IQ tests are really being dumbed down now --- which I doubt --- I doubt it was occurring already in 1951, when the short story on which Idiocracy was based was written.

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  28. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glenn Beck, Mitt Romney, Megan Kelly, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann. Do i have to go on?

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to go on, just remember to vote!

    2. Re:No by wed128 · · Score: 1

      So anyone you don't agree with is therefore stupid? All of those people are more successful then you are, Anonymous Coward.

    3. Re:No by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      All of those people are more successful then you are, Anonymous Coward.

      Depends on how you measure successful.

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    4. Re:No by wed128 · · Score: 1

      OK, i'll bite. How do you measure successful?

  29. religion and non-idiocracy? by vlm · · Score: 1

    a person who tested as average a century ago would today be declared mentally retarded.

    Note decline in religiosity.

    Also, despite widely held belief to the contrary, civilization might be killing off genetic lines of the stupid, which is good news, at least for /.ers who want to get some.

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    1. Re:religion and non-idiocracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey vlm you so stooooooooooopid

  30. We're not getting smarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social changes have meant the development of more intelligence in some areas but less in others. IQ tests only test some areas of intelligence.

  31. People are getting smarter, by Dr.+Pantzo · · Score: 1

    but simply knowing facts is not intelligence. The reason the scores for abstract reasoning and previous knowledge are changing differently is because they're measuring two different constructs, usually referred to as "fluid intelligence" and "crystalized intelligence." I personally believe that long-term memory is not one of the things we usually think of as intelligent behaviors (e.g., problem solving). My wife's experience in medical school demonstrated that a lot of dumb people can test well. But also our environment is becoming much richer as access to mental exercise tools like books, software, Legos, the Internet, etc, explodes. And lots of research (e.g., this instantiation of Portal for rats from 1973: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347273800028 ) supports the notion that rich environments support intelligence.

  32. Simpler by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    The mind is the same as muscle in this one regard: exercise it and it becomes stronger. Video games, puzzles, /. posting, and complex problem solving at work all exercise and improve cognitive function. We may do more, rather than less, of this thinking thing because of advances in technology.

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  33. Mind by Diaspar · · Score: 1

    The mind is getting better, while the quality of the actual experience diminishes.

    Let me elaborate.

    We're getting better at predicting, survival, information. While the *thinking* part is actually getting faster and more developed, the connectedness and the affinity with the world is diminishing. we're thinking more "about" things, from "the stands", and are wrapped up in our opinions. But we're loosing out on the actual quality of life, on the being present and in the moment.

    The sad thing is that it really doesn't make us happy. We can suck up way more information, like a sponge, but what does it really help us?

  34. Tests are academic by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    There are a number of variables in play:
    - much better health levels for children
    - no malnutrition (in the West, anyway)
    - universal literacy and childhood education

    Couple that with the fact that IQ tests are necessarily abstract and theoretical, something that matches far closer to our culture and daily lives today, and you've probably explained it.

    A person could be a successful functional adult in the 1930s having dropped out of school at 8th grade. They could run their business, have employees and have a rather good life as a tradesman or farmer. Further, those trades and functions required a practical intelligence that is (afaik) never tested in such tests. I've had the pleasure of knowing a couple of individuals that have been - literally - mechanical geniuses, having a tremendously powerful intellect in terms of engines, motors, electricals (not 'electronics' ie circuit boards, etc), and when we talk about current events they're tremendously subtle and insightful. But I expect that they wouldn't 'register' as "high IQ" in a formal sense because they were relatively uneducated.

    Further, I'm not sure if it's just me but everyone I know who actually talks about their high IQ (or worse, their mensa membership) is pretty immediately obviously a complete ass. Considering the high number of asses I meet daily, that would suggest that lots of people have high IQs, right?

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  35. IQ testing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... doesn't test for quality of thought. There are plenty of smart people that believe weird things or have strange political beliefs. You can just look at slashdot to see that just having raw intelligence != quality of thought. The human mind doesn't work like the enlightenment thought it did.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

  36. Literacy, Communication, Exposure = Evolution by retroworks · · Score: 2

    THEORY 1: From parents word of mouth, to church (organized sermons), to printing press, to larger printing presses, to internet. See growth of world literacy http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:World_illiteracy_1970-2010.svg&page=1 Literacy allows ideas to travel like invasive species, wiping out stupidity. Some virulent strains of stupidity still survive, and the Youtubization (audio and video) phenomena may make other forms of communication to trump literacy. But for the period of the study, IQ or test taking ability would be expected to increase as literacy increases.

    THEORY 2: As Jesus said to his disciple "Psst, walk on the rocks". If you are using the same test for intelligence, word is going to get around how to pass that test. We don't know what kind of native intelligence is getting lost in "illiterate tribes" as the succeeding generations become literate rather than stick to old ways. Evolution vs. Diversity... The extinction of languages makes it difficult to tell whether the surviving languages are testing for their own genes.

    I'd go with theory 1. But it's possible that IQ tests may just be measuring the rate of growth of a western IQ invasive species which tests it's own strain of DNA. If Whales had fingers and became the dominant species and flooded the land masses, drowning land mammals, they'd measure something different and find a statistical improvement in use of Whale intelligence.

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    1. Re:Literacy, Communication, Exposure = Evolution by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Yes, nothing spread intelligence like the dark ages.

      Well done, you figured out the a test by humans for humans applies to humans. Genius.

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  37. Uh, no. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    1. Twilight is considered a great book/movie by many.
    2. People like Charlie Sheen and Kim Kardashian are considered celebrities.
    3. People like Mitt Romney are serious contenders to be President of the United States, and people actually think he's a good candidate.
    4. Sports are over glorified and players are often paid millions of dollars, but those teaching our kids to create a brighter tomorrow work for peanuts.

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    1. Re:Uh, no. by geekoid · · Score: 1, Troll

      1) So? Different opinion in entertainment doesn't make them smarter or stupider.
      2) By definition they are celebrities.
      3) I got nothin' there.
      4) Irrelevant to the issues.

      Things happening you don't like doesn't mean they are stupid.

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    2. Re:Uh, no. by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Geekoid already did this (in comment http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3211419&cid=41777645), but i want to have a crack at it -

      1) Many of us like Star Wars. It's just as stupid, just targetted at a different demographic. Taste does not make something stupid
      2) People care about what they do. No matter what happens, people emulate each other.
      3) Can you please give an example of a better candidate? Politicians in general kiss too much ass; our democracy will never pick a disruptive leader.
      4) That's capitalism. Players are paid that much because someone is willing to. Supply, meet demand.

    3. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I like your choices, these seem more like value judgements than anything even pretending to be objective evidence.

    4. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Older people vote more, the ones considered "retarded" by IQ standards select these people. Almost everyone on the internet/young people say Ron Paul

    5. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5. Parent Post.

    6. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your four points are almost perfect, but I think you should amend #3 to "People single out the candidate they dislike as an example of a bad candidate, when a more general approach would better serve their point".

    7. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Even without taking pet peeves regarding genre, sparkling, or other trivialities into account one can safely say that Twilight is, objectively speaking, a terrible book. It's hardly surprising; Meyers is an awful writer from a purely technical standpoint, and the actors involved in the movies aren't exactly the most talented. You mentioned Star Wars. I'll say this: Lucas is also a poor writer, but at least with the original trilogy he had significant help to combat his failings (primarily dialogue, but occasionally other things) and his very worst ideas were cut due to one of the (extremely rare) cases of executive meddling getting it right. Lucas put together a cast that not only could act, but worked well together too... and it shows. While much of the extended universe is utter crap, there is a solid core in the original trilogy that draws people in. Twilight is awful from the get-go and doesn't improve at all, yet its popularity is such that even the uninitiated are familiar with it.
      2. Agreed that this wasn't a good point. People have a morbid fascination with train-wrecks, and before Sheen became one he was simply a decent enough actor with a famous show and a handful of movies under his belt; a celebrity by definition. Kardashian probably shouldn't ever have been a celebrity, but once the hype hit the partially self-sustaining stage she (unfortunately) began to count as a legitimate celebrity.
      3. Huntsman preferably, Johnson, Obama, Ron Paul... Christ, I'd see genuine dyed-in-the-wool national socialists in office before I'd endorse Romney; the only candidates in 2012 more unfit than Romney to run the United States were Perry, Cain, Bachmann, and Santorum.
      4. Yup. Another case where most shouldn't be such major celebrities, but are. Maybe the top 5% of sportsmen should be, but why the hell do mediocre players in mediocre teams get more money and attention than all but a handful of the very best scientists humanity as a whole has to offer?

  38. Re:IQ tests are getting dumbed down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oblig quote from the movie "Idocracy":

    IQ testing computer: "If you have one bucket that contains 2 gallons and another bucket that contains 7 gallons, how many buckets do you have?"

    Of course the correct answer to this question is: "At least two." That's because nowhere it was stated that those are the only buckets you have.

  39. Not true anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that since the 90's the flynn effect had stoped and that IQ had held constant or in some places went backwards.

    1. Re:Not true anymore? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      I thought that since the 90's the flynn effect had stoped and that IQ had held constant or in some places went backwards.

      Apparently it's not only still going on, but has had an unvarying amount/decade since first noticed.

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  40. If I were smarter by pmontra · · Score: 1

    I'd remember the name of that law about questions in titles and No as an answer. Nevertheless I'm afraid that we are just getting better at passing those tests we are taught to pass. That might actually be all there is in being smart (optimal fit to the environment) but I'd be surprised that the essence of being smart can be captured by logic tests.

  41. You missed something by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTFA: "[A] person who scored 100 a century ago would score 70 today". So this means the scale has been adjusted and what we call average today would have been quite smart a century ago. You can't measure absolute IQ of a society, but you can do comparative studies of different societies or the same society at different times in its history.

  42. Spatial reasoning by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Men supposedly have better spatial reasoning based on the tests of manipulating blocks or gears in space.

    But this is a culturally relative test.

    Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.

    Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male.

    These are both spatial reasoning puzzles which are more complex than those given on tests.

    Females have spatial reasoning- most of them just didn't play with lego blocks.

    The tests are biased to men. That's why men have "superior" spatial reasoning.

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    1. Re:Spatial reasoning by geekoid · · Score: 0

      "Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.

      Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male."

      Wrong, and irrelevant.

      "Females have spatial reasoning- most of them just didn't play with lego blocks."
      I better tell that to my daughter and her friends. Tell me what they should be doing oh wise one? Dumb ass.

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    2. Re:Spatial reasoning by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.

      Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male.

      One day you might discover - not all women are like your mum

    3. Re:Spatial reasoning by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Actually - current girlfriend is much better at these spatial tests than I am.

      Perhaps for the 20 year old females coming up, they would suck at these tests.
      I'm sure "house husbands" would excel at them.

      The basic point that this kind of intelligence test is culturally relative and not a true test of intelligence still holds.

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    4. Re:Spatial reasoning by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      not sure why your post was modded to zero.

      Of course some females play with lego blocks. My daughter did. That's why I used the word "most" and perhaps i should have said "in my generation" because in my daughter's generation it may be different. She DID play with legos. (and I had her doing basic calculus before she was out of elementary school).

      My point that this form of spatial testing depends entirely on your childhood toys and culturalization holds.

      There's no need for the hostility. This is an informal discussion and generalities are allowed. If we had to fully qualify every exception to our statements, they would be unreadable and much too long.

      the "dumbass" comment is probably what got you modded down actually.

      Use your brain. THINK. Dont' just react emotionally. You were off to a good start with counter examples then you had to get all sarcastic and hostile.

      not productive.

      I do see your point. It doesn't change the point that intelligence tests are not testing intelligence when the toys you played with results in passing or failing an entire swath of questions.

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    5. Re:Spatial reasoning by angelasmark · · Score: 1

      "Give a female who cooks a blob of leftovers or dough and she can pick the correct container that will hold the container without waste or a lot of air space. Most men can't.Give a female a pile of dishes and a dishwasher vs a male with the same dishes and dishwasher and the average female will more effectively load the dishwasher than the male." lol so some women are good at putting away leftovers and loading the dishwashers... ergo all must be.. and this is proof of better spacial reasoning... Me thinks the ops own reasoning is flawed. Also calling women a "female" instead of a woman makes you sound like a Ferengi just a heads up.

    6. Re:Spatial reasoning by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      wow, I was unware that "female" and "male" had become somehow worse than "man and woman". Sure you are not just being arbitrary or engaging in political correctness?

      Got a link to any credible site that suggests using the terms female and male have become incorrect?

      My reasoning is that females do well at spatial reasoning based on their experiences. Males do well on spatial reasoning based ontheir experiences.

      The IQ test questions are exclusively based on spatial reasoning based on predomininately male activities.

      I have yet to see one test question based on laying out a pattern on to a couple yards of cloth the most effective way. I've sewn clothing - but very few males have. A lot more females have. Joann fabric is full of women - men are rare.

      But no questions about laying out a pattern to minimize the cost of fabric.

      I think you are being equally predudiced to ignore reality and say women don't do the dishes more (as numerous studies have shown) and cook more (as numerous studies have shown) and clean house more (again. numerous studies).

      So which is it? Do women do more cooking and cleaning and have more experience? Or do men now do half the cooking and cleaning and I should expect them to be just as proficient as women?

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  43. IQ is BS by P-niiice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason is, IQ testing is subjective horseshit. People can be taught to think in a certain way, and people in an environment who think a certain way will do better than people who are in an environment where that 'way of thinking' isn't leraned/taught/reinforced.

    When I started my first engineering job, I passed all of my courses pretty handily, but I still didn't know how to think for the job. My mentor told me this, and every beginning engineer he ran into had to learn how to think in the correct way. I spent all my co-op experience thinking for what was basically Engineering IT projects, and not product design stuff.

    My IQ is a 142 by my last test, but it's only because of years of tech work. If I lived on a farm all my life and never did the variety of jobs I've done, there's no way I could score that.

    1. Re:IQ is BS by geekoid · · Score: 0

      "My IQ is a 142 by my last test, but it's only because of years of tech work. If I lived on a farm all my life and never did the variety of jobs I've done, there's no way I could score that."

      ah, the 'What I do makes me special' fallacy. I'm not sure why you think farmers don't use their minds.

      " IQ testing is subjective horseshit."
      no, it's fine but you need to keep in mind it's properties and application.

      It's no an indicator of success, it's snot a replacement for motivation.

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    2. Re:IQ is BS by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may be that IQ isn't useful as more than a rough approximation. But it isn't "BS". The evidence for some form of general intelligence in the form of a g-factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics) is extremely robust. That's why for example the largest consumer and designer of intelligence tests in the world is the US military. They've found that soldiers who perform better on standadized tests learn faster and are less likely to engage in fatal accidents or friendly fire. That's why all soldiers take the ASVAB and they don't let the low scorers enlist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB. Similarly, the Wonderlic test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test which emphasizes speed and precision rather than difficult puzzles correlates highly with IQ. The current version is actually designed to do that, but if some form of g-factor wasn't present it really shouldn't be possible to make such a test correlate so strongly with a long test emphasizing different skills.

      It is likely that beyond a certain point, IQ scores don't matter. But a 15 or 20 point difference is both statistically robust and relevant to simply put, how intelligent someone is.

    3. Re:IQ is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spend all my day for the last 15 years to think about abstract concepts.

      Im sure there are work out there that use the brain more then I do.

      But Im sure, I would do worse on those test if I was a farmer, I have nothing against farms, the test just dont go inline with the dayly work of a farmer.

      Does it make me smarter or does it make the test dumb?

      I would say it makes the test dumb, since it can not test all abspects on intelligence.

    4. Re:IQ is BS by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to categorize farmers. It was just a dub reference pulled out of the air.

    5. Re:IQ is BS by P-niiice · · Score: 2

      I'm sure a 15 to 20 point difference is meaningful within a culture, but I just can't see comparing people of vastly different cultures using IQ tests that I've seen. Perhaps I haven't see the right test questions - but I could totally see how a harmless puzzle about fractions could mean something totally different to someone else who doesn't think like a westerner.

      I'm no expert, just a guy who had an impression about some if the test items I had.

    6. Re:IQ is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your engineering background is actually useful for solving problems on an IQ test then you've got a crappy IQ test that is only useful for comparing yourself to other people who are also engineers - or you are mistaken that your engineering background is helping you solve the test (much more likely). Or you found some random crappy test on the internet? If you have a dependable way to increase actually anyone's IQ to 142 I guarantee you that you could be a billionaire in a few years and make a far greater contribution to humanity than whatever you are doing now. Of course, you don't know how to do that, you just think you do.

    7. Re:IQ is BS by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      You are correct, of course, and the researchers over the many years have attempted to standardize such tests to be culture-free IQ tests --- how well they've succeeded is always open to conjecture, but when given world-wide in their research studies, the Eskimo scored the highest (on average, and it's always important to say "on average") and the citizens on another continent, who lived in the least-threatening, most natural-food abundant clime, scored the lowest.

      Naturally, one might presume that the Eskimo lives in the most dangerous environment, and thus must eternally be attentive to their surroundings.

    8. Re:IQ is BS by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Again, JoshuaZ, outstanding and insightful and thoughtful comments. I personally have only (to my limited knowledge) come in contact with several "super geniuses" over the years. One, in third grade, drew and painted pictures of birds and other animals on the level of Audobon, while he brought in a fully functioning portable weather station (same grade level, and this was really before the true advent of digital electronics, far more difficult back then) made from kitchen-type discarded trash --- he maxed the IQ test, so he scored 200, but was it slightly over 200? Or 500, or 1,000?

      Again, a mystery of scoring and testing?

    9. Re:IQ is BS by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      I "passed" the ASVAB when I was seven. (Disclaimer: my dad taught the remedial courses for it.) In retrospect, I feel sorry for the young GIs who were doing the remedial coursework. Had to suck to have a little brat girl showing them how to do the fractions on those old Apple IIes, and how to match up the gears properly.

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    10. Re:IQ is BS by ignavus · · Score: 1

      That's why all soldiers take the ASVAB and they don't let the low scorers enlist

      Oh, so that's how they recruit officers. I always wondered why the officers were dumber than the enlisted soldiers.

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  44. Stims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything is possible with enough Adderall, Ritalin, and/or Modafinil.

  45. IQ = Testing the ability to notice patterns by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

    The IQ tests are a measure of how well a person can notice differences in patterns and cognitive reasoning.

    I think the reason why the scores have been raising over the years is for the simple fact that people are using those portions of their brain more, by either the higher literacy rate (reading requires pattern recognition to make words from letters) or simply using a computer interface that allows for quicker interactions than possible before modern times.

    But since there is only so much grey matter in our heads, I'm sure we are growing more terrible at other functions the more we tune ourselves to differencing.

  46. I'm Glad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malcolm Gladwell declares this a fact everyone. We can all go home now.

  47. A couple things by Arker · · Score: 1

    Abstract reasoning is exactly what IQ is supposed to measure, so that part seems a bit confused. But beyond that, I think if you look more closely what is happening is moreso that the bottom end of the range is coming up (as a result of more widespread basic education) than that the top end is rising (smart people are actually smarter.) This probably has more to do with nutrition and medical care than anything else.

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  48. IQ :: the original intent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's important to understand that IQ test were not designed to measure a person's aptitude, but rather measure a person's whiteness.

    There was a series on several years ago (BBC :: Connections) where James Burke was describing the town criers
    from the 15/16/1700's. He said that they would enter a town, and sing/chant the news for a couple of hours (or some time
    like that) then leave. After a single hearing, people had memorized the whole chant. Try that today - ain't happening.
    But, I'm pretty sure those people would never grasp the concept of an iPad.

    I remember when my son was in school, I questioned some of the questions on the test for racial bias; the school was not
    happy about that at all. They're so institutionalized in their system, it's outside of their scope to see the problem.

    1. Re:IQ :: the original intent. by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      If you put it to the school in those same terms, then it's no wonder they weren't happy.

      The "Original Intent" was to determine whiteness? Why not just ask "how white is your skin"? Why accidentally create an intelligence at the same time?

      IQ tests have been misused and are a poor measure of a whole host of intelligence types. But that's a far cry from what you're implying.

  49. Idiocracy! by realsilly · · Score: 1

    I truly could not stand the movie Idiocracy simply because the portrayal of such a dumbed down society absolutely terrifies and disgusts me. But as I listen to the news and how information is spoon-fed to society, and the type of crap that is called good entertainment I weep for our future.

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  50. smarter or better at test taking? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    smarter or better at test taking?

  51. Test Subject and Condisions have Changed by oxnyx · · Score: 2

    In a 4th history close we looked at the Mismeasure of a Man. One of the largest topics was IQ testing. One of the earliest wide scale tests was done on soldiers in the US army. In tents...without verbal directions or written directions..on a primary migrates and child of farms who had never been to school. This test taker were pressured with louds to GO! Oddly almost everyone could solve a maze puzzle (think children placemate) but when it came to complete the picture people did badly. These people might never have seen a Gramma phone or a modern light bulb. At the rules where very strick that the bowling ball had to be in the man hand not in the air or rolling down the alley. The Avg. was further dropped by the fact that many soldiers where confused or didn't understand so they didn't do anything and left there exam blank. Today people take IQ tests in quiet rooms and in schools. They are reading the directions and often have seen similar problems before. No we're not getting smart we are just better prepped to take the test. In fact the test orginally was designed to find weaknesses in a child learn skills not designed to find the brightest and the best.

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    1. Re:Test Subject and Condisions have Changed by alexo · · Score: 1

      These people might never have seen a Gramma phone or a modern light bulb.

      Compare and contrast:
      A "Gramma" phone.
      A gramophone.

  52. Mensa == useless puzzle solving club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except your true 125 is showing because you haven't realized that Mensa is pack with idiots.

    Just as an example, do some research on the Mensa Investment Club.

    1. Re:Mensa == useless puzzle solving club by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Except your true 125 is showing because you haven't realized that Mensa is pack with idiots.

      It's also the bottom rung on the ladder of smug smarter-than-thou bragging clubs.

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    2. Re:Mensa == useless puzzle solving club by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's lower than conspiracy theorists...

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  53. Also by sycodon · · Score: 1

    They've been dumbing down all the other tests, so why not his one?

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  54. Maybe no maybe yes by paiute · · Score: 2

    When I read something like this, I think that it is another piece of modern self-congratulation, the kind of thinking that leads to assuming that the ancients were so stupid that aliens must have visited them to help them stack rocks. But then I look at photographs of random groups of people from about 1880-1920 and think that about half of them look like slack-jawed functional morons.

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  55. Education vs. Intelligence by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Can't speak for Americans as I'm English but we are certainly not getting smarter.

    Having grown up in the UK, lived in the US for a few years and now settled in Canada and working in a University I would claim that students are becoming less educated at least on arrival at university. This makes it far harder to determine whether their intelligence has changed. For example in the UK we used to learn simple calculus by the age of 16 for O'level maths. In Canada many students starting university even to do physics or maths have never seen any calculus. This is not because they are less intelligent but simply because they are less educated. Indeed they pick it up fast enough once they are taught it but of course the time spent teaching them this is now not available to teach them more advanced topics at the end of their degree.

    At the same time, while I have no confidence at all that IQ really measures intelligence (just look at MENSA), it is interesting that IQ scores are rising given that it is a fixed measure of some mental capability. What this suggests is that we are doubly failing the next generation: school standards are dropping while students are becoming more capable of learning!

  56. ove the last 100 years by geekoid · · Score: 1

    grasping 3 dimension concepts has become the norm, as has being able to think abstractly.

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  57. Nope... by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    I personally think that this is evidence that IQ tests have some fundamental limitations. What they reflect is educational quality and exposure to culture. Take someone living in the most remote of villages, give him an IQ test and, assuming he could understand the language, he would be found to be retarded. Asian students are more likely to excel at IQ tests for the reason that culturally they're big into testing; that experience helps.

    Humans have more knowledge than they've possessed at any time in history. That, however, doesn't make them any smarter. In terms of fundamental understanding we're no smarter than the Greeks were. In terms of human interaction, there's no difference whatsoever. Your average teenager would almost certainly come off as incompetent, uncouth and quite stupid compared to a teenager from prior eras. This is inspite their ability to operate and understand the operation of, on a basic level, modern technology.

    But we are all exposed to massive amounts of information and technology does tend to require more learning from. So from that perspective we do have the appearance of being smarter. A problem I have seen, however, is that people know a little about a lot of things. They are incapable of comprehending the reality behind everything around them. It gives rise to unrealistic expectations. And I think it leads to gullibility. Advertisers and the entertainment industry capitalize on that tendency. And in effect they perpetuate stupidity because it's the thing that leads to more profits. There's a reason why American Idol and Monday Night Football have the most expensive ad spots; it's why prime time television and networks like Comedy Central are bombarded with constant advertising. The demographic that gravitates towards all that content is less likely to apply rational thought to purchasing decisions.

    So, despite more practical knowledge humans are as stupid as they've always been.

  58. Complexity by Lord+Grey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The question is not, why are we getting smarter, but the much less catchy, why are we getting better at abstract reasoning and little else?"

    I am not a teacher or psychologist, but I have to wonder if at least some of this can be attributed to the things we have to normally deal with on a day-to-day basis. Specifically, in how those "things" have changed over time. As an earlier poster pointed out, life was a whole lot simpler several decades ago. Technology was much simpler and therefore easier to understand. The average person interacted with fewer people, less technology, less variance in their daily routine. Now, in developed countries at least, people are forced to interact with complicated devices and many people who are not actually present (via phone, teleconference, email, whatever).

    People used to be amazed by the telephone, back when it was first invented. Many thought the user was talking to the device, not through it. Understanding that the telephone enabled remote conversation is the type of abstract thinking I'm trying to get it here. Multiply this by the hundreds of devices we're surrounded by and it's no wonder that people think more abstractly than 100 years ago. People have to, in order to deal with all the technology.

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    1. Re:Complexity by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      ".. life was a whole lot simpler several decades ago.."

      No offense, dood, you really need to read your history --- one could far more easily state that life is far more simpler today, but really both statements are purely subjective, and fictional.

  59. History of abstraction... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    There was a time when we functioned in a bicameral mind state ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes ) or subconscious state, as many animals today do. In such a state there are limits as to how much you can advance but you are far better in touch with nature, explaining how many animals respond to changing environment (i.e. crabs move inland and how far depending on major storm strength and where the storm make landfall and many other examples).

    Man developed small societies while living in such an non-abstract mind state, as even apes and other animals today do, all for increased survival. But with man our subconscious or bicameral mind state could not keep up with the growing population and the story of the tower of babel .... Man created consciousness and abstract thinking and communication, eventually evolving in such developments as written language and the development and improvements of mathematics (abstraction) to the point of today we have abstraction machines we call computers. http://abstractionphysics.net/pmwiki/index.php

    Are we getting better with abstraction use as a tool? Well considering one of the downsides of abstraction is that it open the door to deception and this along with the growing world protests of the people against nothing more than the fewer in positions of command at they cost of the people.... Via deception...

    All in all its only natural in our evolution that we get better at understanding the limits and usefulness of abstraction as the tool it is. Such that we get beyond the false usefulness of deception. Especially when such deception is being used by the few to take from the many.

  60. two counter-points by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    I present two points that indicate people are noticeably dumber today than in the past (without precisely defining how far back the past is).

    First, consider an entrance exam (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvardexam.pdf) to Harvard. The document is dated 1899. Take this exam then draw your own conclusions.

    Second, the overwhelming amount of entertainment that is available 7x24 from an explosion of different types of devices sadly means that many, many more people have become consumers and many, many fewer people are producing content of any form (and by "any form" I mean, especially, knowledge and not simply entertainment).

    I attribute the dumbing down of America to two main causes: greed (corporations want to sell you endless numbers of devices and all the entertainment you can afford, then when new technologies arise, sell you the same content numerous times (CD, DVD, Blu-ray, etc.)) and laziness (it's easier to consume mindless entertainment than to learn something new on your own).

    Many people thought Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) was hilarious. I found it a disturbingly possible paradigm of the future.

    On a related note, I also find it disturbing that in spite of our spending hundreds of billions of dollars annually on education, today's students in America consistently place poorly among major industrialized nations. Citation: punch "worldwide rankings of students" into google (omitting quotes) and read some of the 84+ million hits.

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  61. Re:Simple answer by gosand · · Score: 1

    Because someone else will clean it up.
    Sounds pretty smart to me. And if they're lucky, they get a boob in their mouth when they cry.

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  62. Ask someone from MENSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask someone from MENSA

  63. Which skills are more useful? by MrLizard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In an era when access to facts is a click or a tap away, it becomes much more important to be able to know how to use those facts, than to have a mental storehouse of them. Because the scope of human knowledge is orders of magnitude more than any person can grasp, we are forced to rely on the opinions of others in all but our own narrow areas. If I read an article on, say, a potential cure for cancer, I know I lack the scientific knowledge to replicate the research or even build a good mental model of what's supposed to be happening, biologically, except on a very crude level. So to make judgment, I have to engage in pattern-matching, not fact-checking. Does this article contain the kinds of keywords, phrases, and tone that I've come to associate with woo-woo fringe theories, or does it seem in line with things I already know to be factual? Is it presented in a forum which has a reputation for rigor, or is it in a site featuring articles on aromatherapy and aura reading? Does it discuss limited results, provide caveats, and discuss risks, or does it promise instant and universal cures with no drawbacks and talk about how "they" are "terrified" of this discovery?

    This applies in virtually every field of knowledge. We can't judge most things on the facts, because we can't know all the facts. We have to rely more and more on pattern matching and abstraction to reach conclusions. Most of us devote our "locally hosted fact storage" to that data pertinent to our daily lives, our jobs, and our favorite hobbies. A big chunk of what's left goes to meta-information about how to GET facts when we need them, and what's left is devoted to deciding if what someone is presenting as a "fact" is actually true, and to evaluating the value of each fact as it weighs in our opinions.

    (It's a common mistake that if a person disagrees with you, it's because he doesn't know the FACTS! Odds are, he DOES know them, at least if he's anyone worth having a disagreement with. He just *weighs* them differently, because people apply facts as a means towards achieving their values and goals. Only in Jack Chick tracts and the like do people suddenly change their minds because a random stranger spews a series of "things you didn't know!" at them. Hell, even if you can prove beyond doubt that a particular justification for an opinion is objectively wrong, people will retain the opinion and look for new "facts" to support it. (Note how no matter how many times someone debunks a particular myth about Obama, or Creationism, or 9/11, or "free energy", or vaccines, the people who believe in conspiracies never change their beliefs -- they just find some new "proof". "OK, so the original study that linked vaccines to autism was proven to be a complete and utter fraud? So what, there's plenty more "proof", and besides, I don't believe it was a fraud, it was a frame up by the evil corporations!")

  64. Skills vs. Intelligence vs. Trades by mordred99 · · Score: 1

    Are you good at taking tests? Are you well read? Can you memorize facts? Can you read patterns in the English language? Do you understand subtext? Can you speak comprehensible sentences to get a salient point across? Can you write efficiently? Can you research facts and figures? These are all skills. These are all skills which are taught in American schools.

    Can you do basic accounting? Can you install an OS on a computer? Can you balance an checkbook? Can you build a home from scratch? Can you paint an oil painting? These are all Trades, and this is also what American schools teach.

    Do you want to know what intelligence is? Stringing those individual skills together to do something with it. I can memorize facts, speak, write and research. Does that make me good at my job? No. Being able to put those together in a way which you can interpret, extrapolate, and create new and unique ideas is intelligence. This is not what is taught in many American schools.

    The funny thing is that the highest IQ score I have ever got is 90. I have two masters degrees and work in Cyber Security as an IT Architect. I am not below average, just not good at test taking and what ever skills that I was tested on the supposed IQ test. I never cared that I have a below average IQ, I and everyone around me knows I am smarter than average.

    1. Re:Skills vs. Intelligence vs. Trades by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that the highest IQ score I have ever got is 90. I have two masters degrees and work in Cyber Security as an IT Architect. I am not below average, just not good at test taking and what ever skills that I was tested on the supposed IQ test. I never cared that I have a below average IQ, I and everyone around me knows I am smarter than average.

      Yep! I think it's a disgusting thought to try to reduce all of a person to a single number. I'm a human, god damn it, treat me as one!

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  65. Humanity as a whole is evolving by Jmc23 · · Score: 2

    You see this everywhere. Culture evolves and develops, how is this suprising. ...unfortunately there's always some people that can't understand past history. Even just being exposed to the products of high intelligence, novel applications and combinations helps to restructure thought processes as one is exposed to things that are possible that they could not conceive of on their own. The more available stimuli, the faster the acceleration. One need only view the effects of video cameras and massive amounts of data on sports, whether it be football or MMA.

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  66. IQ TESTS ARE FATALLY FLAWED by ThorGod · · Score: 1

    IQ tests do not measure the things that you seem to think they do.

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  67. Bred for it ! by redelm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why all the denial and knashing of teeth? Accept the Flynn effect as data, most likely the result of a vastly more technological society that requires more intelligence to run & live in. This even works for the one-third of intelligence that is attributable to environmental development. Human are nothing if not adaptable.

    On the two-thirds genetic component of intelligence, it is likely that both women and men are selecting mates with an increased emphasis on intelligence, and decreased importance of other factors like health or strength. Nothing radical (3+sigma still won't get a date) just a central small shift.

    In any case, the upside of intelligence has to pay for the downside (indecision, depression?autism?mental illness). Humans have always had this potential for increased intelligence, but before the upside never paid the downside. Now it increasingly does.

    1. Re:Bred for it ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This even works for the one-third of intelligence that is attributable to environmental development. ... On the two-thirds genetic component of intelligence,

      Wut? I'm sorry, did you just try to get people to accept the study as a data-point while ramrodding your own MASSIVE PRESUMPTION?

      Regardless of whether we're getting smart or not, I think I lot of the gnashing of teeth is because this topic quickly shifts to philosophical outlooks on life. Which everyone has an opinion on and no-one can agree.

  68. How long before a Politically Correct complaint... by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Hey, in the synopsis they used the work, retarted....*GASP*

    Isn't that now one of those special words that until about 2-5 years ago we could freely use, but now must be sensitive and not use anymore....????

    [rolls eyes]

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  69. Distribution by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 1

    The article tells us nothing about whether the change can be attributed to the slimming of a fat tail on the low side of the distribution in test-scoring ability. My understanding is that the renormalization of scores is done under the assumption that the underlying distribution is Gaussian-normal, an assumption that seems to be at least somewhat controversial. Could this practice be hiding evidence that could help explain the effect?

  70. Dumb researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People aren't getting smarter, researchers are getting dumber. The more IQ tests people do in a lifetime (and that's what's been happening over past decades), the better they will get at it.

  71. Aspergers Syndrome is the new IQ test by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    venture capital success in Silicone Valley scores millionaires with AS.

  72. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Hey, in the synopsis they used the work, retarted....*GASP*

    That's truly excellent comedy work there, spelling "retarded" wrong.

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  73. Occam's Razor by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 2
    The one example in the article is as follows:

    As Flynn demonstrates, a typical IQ test question on the abstract reasoning “Similarities” subtest might ask “How are dogs and rabbits alike?” While our grandparents were more likely to say something along the lines of “Dogs are used to hunt rabbits,” today we are more likely to say the “correct” answer, “Dogs and rabbits are both mammals.” Our grandparents were more likely to see the world in concrete, utilitarian terms (dogs hunt rabbits), but today we are more likely to think in abstractions (the category of “mammal”).

    This is claimed to be evidence for Flynn's argument that we have shifted to more abstract thinking. A simpler explanation would be that more people today have been taught that dogs and rabbits are both mammals, and are simply recalling that fact, which doesn't call for abstract thinking.

    I do not know if this is a poor example for making Flynn's case, or an indication of its weakness.

    1. Re:Occam's Razor by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Excellent point.

    2. Re:Occam's Razor by chihowa · · Score: 1

      The one example in the article is as follows:

      As Flynn demonstrates, a typical IQ test question on the abstract reasoning “Similarities” subtest might ask “How are dogs and rabbits alike?” While our grandparents were more likely to say something along the lines of “Dogs are used to hunt rabbits,” today we are more likely to say the “correct” answer, “Dogs and rabbits are both mammals.” Our grandparents were more likely to see the world in concrete, utilitarian terms (dogs hunt rabbits), but today we are more likely to think in abstractions (the category of “mammal”).

      This is claimed to be evidence for Flynn's argument that we have shifted to more abstract thinking. A simpler explanation would be that more people today have been taught that dogs and rabbits are both mammals, and are simply recalling that fact, which doesn't call for abstract thinking.

      I do not know if this is a poor example for making Flynn's case, or an indication of its weakness.

      I think it's a great example of how ridiculous the tests are. Even before being taught that dogs and rabbits were both mammals, everybody would know that they were both animals. Yet, they chose to answer that dogs are used to hunt rabbits because it is a more interesting answer. To know that dogs hunt rabbits requires knowing that rabbits are prey and dogs are predators and making that connection, which is a deeper understanding than that they are just alive and mobile (animals) or warm-blooded and earthbound (mammals). If answering that they are both animals seems unintelligent, why would answering that they are both mammals seem intelligent?

      I would argue that the "incorrect" answer is much more intelligent because it involves thinking and pattern recognition instead of just memory recall.

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    3. Re:Occam's Razor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I gather that your antecedents would not have answered "dinner" ?

    4. Re:Occam's Razor by bidule · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if a person who scores 100 today would have scored 70 a century ago. After all, very few knows trivium and quadrivium today. We'd completely fail any latin and greek. Check Harvard's entrance exam from 1899.

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    5. Re:Occam's Razor by frgomes · · Score: 1

      I find difficult to understand what "intelligence" really is. Looks like most tests are actually measuring your ability to recall past experiences or recall semantic information. If you travel a lot, you will possibly perform better on the former family of tests, whilst if you read a lot, you will possibly perform better on the latter family of tests. Despite such abilities are considered part of "intelligence", I'm leaded to think that raising on IQ tests are related more to our exposure to education and visual media than anything else. Other tests are designed to measure other forms of "intelligence", like abstract thinking, but I find difficult to imagine any test which would be absolutely uncorrelated to better abilities to recall past experiences and to retrieve semantic information.

      My feeling is that we are as intelligent as we always used to be, but now we have more information stored in our memory. So, when you face a difficult abstract thinking test, well... you've faced that sort of thing before in the college and, by the way, such sort of challenge in the test is not absolutely unknown, you are used to that wording... so, most of circumstances, you will be composing past experiences, semantic reasoning with some flexibility and creativity. Since you are better than your parents on the first two aspects, you will be performing better than your parents.

      Also, the example of "dogs and rabitts" (what do they have in common?) makes me believe that eventually abstract reasoning (dogs and rabbits are both mammals) is better rewarded by IQ tests than ability to see things in concrete, utilitarian terms (dogs hunt rabbits). This way the shift from concrete reasoning to abstract reasoning (which is fact) would lead to more intelligence (which is controversial).

  74. Re:IQ tests are getting dumbed down... by wed128 · · Score: 1

    That sounds like the "Fair Witness" answer...Have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land"? Heinlein was a genious.

  75. well, some people are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can guarantee niggers are definitely NOT getting smarter. And no, this is not a troll, it is a proven scientific fact that niggers have an average IQ that is 25 points lower than whites, and 28 points lower than east asians. INB4 liberal white hating/white guilt, pussies voting this down.

  76. Re:Just think by Titan1080 · · Score: 1

    I doubt it.

  77. Improved Health and Nutrition by PerMolestiasEruditio · · Score: 1

    The best explanations for the Flynn effect appear to be improved nutrition and lessened childhood disease. Something like 80% of a babies metabolic output goes into brain function (20% for an adult). So any severe sickness or deficiencies in diet at a young age will always produce a negative impact on brain development (creating a bulge on stupid side of bell curve). The West has mostly wiped out serious childhood disease and famine creating a significant boost compared to places where things like Malaria and poor food and nutritional deficiencies still kill or negatively impact the development of huge numbers of babies.

    Also intelligence is correlated weakly with brain size, and bigger people have bigger brains (anecdotally I found it very noticeable in STEM subjects at University how many tall and therefore bigger-brained men and women there were). The average size of humans has increased markedly during the last 100 years with better food availability (eg 5-10cm taller in China in last 30 years).

    The genetically determined (Nature over Nurture) aspect of intelligence is contrary to the ideal of the improvable man - but unfortunately it does turn out that genetics dominates Intelligence, with something like .75 correlation between twins even if raised separately. IQ statistics and correlations are very strong and very clear and can be used to predict (with accuracy) a wide range of things about the behaviours and attainments of genetically differentiated groups groups in our society.

    This does not go down well in politics or the humanities and has been decried by apologists such as Stephen J Gould. It is OK to recognise genetic differences if they are positive, such as hugely superior athletic ability of West Africans that dominate most sports they participate in, but do not mention average academic outcomes - or find factors other than genetics to blame.

    Some of the interesting results of this strong tendency towards genetic determination of IQ are that you get regression to mean (smart parents tend to have slightly dumber children, but stupid parents tend to have slightly smarter children) leading to identifiable trends such as smart first generation immigrants who managed to get to the West then having children who are less talented. And also that your chances of being a genius are massively higher if you come from certain cold climate populations where survival appears to have hinged on non-violent economic competition (han chinese, ashkenazic jew), and massively lower if you come from other hot-climate gene-pools that appear to have placed greater emphasis on disease resistance and athletic/verbal/physical ability in benign climates with frequent warefare. This results in a very large difference of something like 2-3 standard deviations between the Ashkanazic Jews and some of the hot climate gene pools. Which is why given the nature of the tails of the bell-curve the Ashkanazic's are so massively over-represented in elite attainments (nobels etc) and hot climate gene-pools almost invisible. Again this is not popular or politically correct but is nonetheless real and is demonstrates the reality of IQ or 'G' even without needing to devise a test for it - relative differences in group IQ and the bell curve can be elegantly inferred simply from the proportions of individuals in various professions.

    So sadly it appears that genes do determine IQ to a large extent, but selective breeding can change average IQ by up to 15 points within a few generations (ashkenazic jews had nearly identical genes to the local population wherever they lived, and yet were on average almost a standard deviation smarter). If we wanted to we could probably eliminate IQ differences between groups within a generation or two using Gatacca style technology.

  78. There's a simple explaination by Grayhand · · Score: 2

    Better nutrition. It's similar to the height change. Look at older homes in England and most have lower ceilings and doors while the wealthy grew much taller because of the better food. Willam Wallace who was a noble, no matter what they said in Braveheart, and was thought to 6' 6" tall. A friend was in Japan during the construction of Tokyo Disnyland and said it was like a sea of heads all the same height. He said by the time they were finished it had changed so much it was like any street in the US. The younger Japanese were eating burgers and fries and other dense foods. Most humans aren't genetically 5' 5" or less. The genetic average seems more like 6' and above even for men. The consumption of foods high in fatty acids especially fish has been shown to affect brain development. A hundred years ago for much of the US such foods would have been rare. The bulk of diet would have been bread and potatoes like most of the UK while in Asia rice would have been the major caloric food source. Historically high protein diets as in meat were found to affect brain development. Neanderthals had a much higher percentage of meat in their diets and some groups exceeded modern man in brain size. That trend may reverse now that we are eating a lot of junk food and fish are becoming more scarce. Also our cattle and other animals are raised on corn diets instead of grasses which reduce the fatty acid content of the meat.

  79. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by ideonexus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mental retardation is an actual medical term which is subject to the Euphemism Treadmill effect, where over time a term becomes an insult in common usage and the professionals have to find a new word that doesn't have the baggage associated with it to maintain professional integrity (Similar to the reason we call them "Bathrooms" today instead of "Water Closets" or "Toilets" as the two latter terms became too crude through common usage). Don't blame "political correctness" on this, blame crass people like Anne Coulter who use the medical term in a derogatory sense towards those who don't have the disability without any sensitivity to those who must actually live with the condition.

    Replace the word "Retard' with "AIDS carrier," "Cancer Survivor," or "Quadriplegic" and try making the argument that the offense people take to your use of these terms to disparage others is just "political correctness." The reason you don't use these terms as insults is because these are human beings who can fight back. "Retard" is okay because the mentally retarded can't defend themselves. Coulter is a bully and a coward for using the term and defending its use.

    People like Coulter who call the backlash against their use of these words "political correctness" do so because the word "ignorant" applies to them. They are ignorant of the suffering of others, ignorant of medical science, and ignorant of basic good taste. I used the world "retard" as an insult when I was a child, but I'm an adult now and I am educated enough to know how abusing that word abuses those who are living with this debilitating condition.

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  80. I published a paper on this topic. by dorpus · · Score: 1

    Every psychology 101 textbook states that the "bell curve", i.e. normal distribution, is the distribution of IQ scores. This is in fact wrong; IQ scores are not symmetrically distributed. The left tail of the distribution is heavier than the right tail. I devised a new asymmetric distribution which more accurately models this.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0037025

    I also cite a paper which has seen a reversal of the Flynn effect: more recent IQ points have been declining.

    Teasdale TW, Owen DR (2008) Secular declines in cognitive test scores: a reversal of the Flynn Effect. Intelligence, 36(2): 121–126.

    1. Re:I published a paper on this topic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a paper about this. You have citation to a paper about this. You use that citation to chuck "intelligence" into a list of things that don't have a normal distribution. But yeah, that's still pretty interesting.

  81. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave him alone, he's just 100 years old.

  82. critical thinking skills can be taught by RowD1 · · Score: 1

    It means what educators and others have been saying -- that critical thinking and higher order thinking skills can be taught. And we're doing a better job now of teaching them because we understand better what they are.

  83. Not so Simple... by MRe_nl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Intelligence varies with at least 21 factors
    Some of the other circumstances and attributes that have been found to vary to a greater or lesser (but always significant) extent in relation with IQ (Bouchard & Segal, 1985; Liungman, 1975) - note that not all of these relationships support an environmental view.
    Intelligence varies with:

    Infant malnutrition (-ve)
    Birth weight
    Birth order
    Height
    Number of siblings (-ve)
    Number of years in school
    Social group of parental home
    Father's profession
    Father's economic status
    Degree of parental rigidity (-ve)
    Parental ambition
    Mother's education
    Average TV viewing (-ve)
    Average book-reading
    Self-confidence according to attitude scale measurement
    Age (negative relationship, applies only in adulthood)
    Degree of authority in parental home (-ve)
    Criminality (-ve)
    Alcoholism (-ve)
    Mental disease (-ve)
    Emotional adaptation

    "No single environmental factor seems to have a large influence on IQ. Variables widely believed to be important are usually weak....Even though many studies fail to find strong environmental effects....most of the factors studied do influence IQ in the direction predicted by the investigator....environmental effects are multifactorial and largely unrelated to each other."
    - Bouchard & Segal (1985), p.452

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  84. My IQ was ~130 my daughter scored over 160 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Posting anonymously because bragging so openly would undermine my carefully constructed veneer of false modesty.

    I never got an IQ test. But I placed in the top 0.8% of a national entrance test for engineering colleges. Since it ignored biology stream and the commerce stream I would guesstimate my national rank to be in the top 0.4%. Working backwards, that would give me an IQ score of around 130 + / - 5. My daughter took the test in second grade and scored 163. Sadly like all girls she lost interest in math, despite scoring 5 in AP calculus.

    So yes the next generation is smarter than the previous generation, and I am deliriously happy about it.

  85. This could explain WWI and a lot of other things by CKW · · Score: 1

    There's all these things in history, recent history (from a historical perspective) which are just ... idiotic. This might help explain or be part and parcel as to why things that were not even *considered* by most people 100 years ago is now outright unthinkable.

    Just the most obvious example - the fact that they kept up with frontal assaults loosing hundreds of thousands of soldiers a day for YEARS without reconsidering.

  86. The sub-test resmbles GUI logic. by dirkmitt · · Score: 1

    I think that computers have a lot to do with it. The way GUIs work, tends to resemble a certain subset of most IQ tests, which measures pattern-matching, and even young people today are basically required to learn how to use smartphones, tablets, PCs etc.. (1) Actual IQ tests may soon need a revamped test for abstract reasoning, which won't resemble the puzzle of how to use an ATM or other menu systems as much. Or which wouldn't resemble icons too much. (2) It would not surprise me if population scores on certain subtests had actually deteriorated over time, because classical fields of knowledge are not being emphasized as much as they once were, such as Ancient History, even though they'd still be relevant. But basic education today has found class time to be so precious, that Modern History or Technology topics need to be taught. I don't see a lot of common people discussing Descarte's Cogito these days, even though some understanding should exist of what it means and where it comes from...

  87. so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so what your saying is all the politicians of canada are retards.
    I agree.

  88. I'd also want to consider the converse question. by dirkmitt · · Score: 1

    How highly would an average intellect by today's standards, have scored on the first actual IQ tests a century ago? I suspect not so well either.

  89. Smarter together, smarter individually by wraeness · · Score: 1

    I figure this evolution results simply from the progression of culture and the popularisation of ICT. Our notions of science and culture are by definition at their highest points, while all of the previous material remains available, creating a wider and a denser range of knowledge and understanding. Alongside that, the great variety in interfaces and controllers forces us to make more abstract connections for simple tasks. In a sense, it functions much like a tidal wave. And in the same sense, society is somewhat nearing the point where crashing down on the shore begins to appear more likely than gaining substantially more in height. Consolidation is becoming paramount and for a while will further increase our IQ levels and other measures of intelligence as well as the need to let go of our arrogance.

  90. Here's my hypothesis. by greywire · · Score: 1

    Purely anecdotal and totally untested, but my hypothesis is this: with less need to actually remember things, we have more brain left over for purely abstract reasoning and logic.

    My personal experience is that my memory sucks. I don't know if this is genetic, or just a result of being undisciplined about memorization when I was young and so now, in my middle age, its just the routine that I can't remember stuff. I always had trouble remembering and memorization was, and still mostly is, the primary tool used in public schools. However my logic and abstract reasoning has always been high, through the roof even. I would score high on such tests, as well as IQ tests. But I would fall flat on tests requiring lots of memorization (history, grammar, etc). I would even do bad on math, because I couldn't remember the formulas (or times tables). But I could logically figure it out. Sometimes over and over I would have to logically deduce how to solve a problem instead of just remembering the formula or method.

    Today, with Google and the internet, I have to remember even less. Because I know I can find it. Or I can find somebody who knows. I am great with high concepts and abstracts knowing that I can just find the answer to the details when I need it (mostly).

    So, I "blame" our information based modern society. I don't know how bad of a thing this is. It does worry me that people dont know how to do basic things anymore.

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  91. What gets taught, doesn't imply comprehension. by dirkmitt · · Score: 1

    People who start out to learn Computing will learn how to 'operate' a computer and its GUI. But there is a huge wealth of knowledge in Computer Science, which does not even pertain to the Graphical User Interface. Thus, certain tests even of 'computing comprehension' today could be flawed, because such tests sample the grasp of statements, while a person may not even know why a statement is valid or not so. 'Abstract thinking' would have been tested in 1912, by a subject explaining in essay form, or to the satisfaction of an examiner orally, of what "I think, therefore I am." means. The question could still be asked of people, why it's important to know this concept, even today. I wouldn't bank highly on 50% of the population giving the correct answer(s).

  92. NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like they do in all other types of test scores, they simply lowered the requirements.

  93. Not Personal Bullshit by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

    The best explanation is most likely not going to consist of anyone's favorite personal or political bullshit. Most likely it is due to better nutrition, much lower childhood morbidity and mortality, antibiotics, vaccines, the elimination of lead in paints, indoor plumbing, potable water, etc. Not very exciting, but these are things that have radically transformed human society within the past century and a half.

  94. It's the computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't start using PCs until I was in my late thirties. By that time, I had already scored a very high IQ on the Wechsler exam.

    I used computers at work and I had to navigate a poorly design database software that was difficult enough to convince many older workers that it was time to retire.

    Then, I got a WebTV for my home and I was confronted with the task of keeping track of my surfing like an abstract maze in my mind and it wasn't just navigating from site to site, I had to remember how to navigate all the sites I went to and if that wasn't enough challenge, the websites kept reformatting their sites to make it even more difficult.

    Then I bought a computer for my home and that was even more of a challenge because suddenly now I was not just a user, I was the IT department, too.

    I'm 63 now and I'm bearing down on 30 years of computer use and today, I have my GSIII and my laptop and my desktop and I go about my lazy retirement days fully connected. What used to be my mobile phone is now a computer that I can use to do almost as much as either my laptop or my desktop, only it fits in my pocket.

    It really never ends the challenges to my abstract thought, because, even if everything else was static, there are OS changes and new OSes and browser changes and new browsers and the places where you make all the settings change and they are in different places for different applications and the consist of layers upon layers.

    I've really only scratched the surface because there are many things having to do with all these devices that I don't use and don't need to know at least until the need arises.

    So, if you were born in the last 30 years all these devices have been part of your learning and entertainment milieu, so that organ in your brain-housing group has been building neural networks for tasks that the average American in the 20th Century did not grow up with.

    Is it any wonder that abstract thinking skills are on the rise?

    We really don't need to norm tests so much across generations, because the old die out and they aren't part of the sampling frame anymore.

    I highly doubt that today we are smarter than those of old, it's just that we are smarter at different things.

    Most of us if were transported back to 100 years ago would find our new found skills to be far less important that the skills pertinent to the day and we would then be considered less intelligent, regardless of what a test may reveal.

    So, that's my opinion of what's going on.

  95. I think I agree with you... by linkdude64 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that perhaps the reason shows and plots are getting better only because specialization in education is becoming more necessary? Instead of getting your neighbor Bob to film All in the Family, now you've got a guy who has studied cinematography for 4 years at USC Film school, so naturally you're going to get more complex and interesting shots. Likewise, you've got teams of Creative Writing majors writing the shows who probably have more or less skill in a particular area, like writing a dramatic fight scene, a great style of comedy, etc. What must be helping too is that with the ease of communication (internet) ideas and techniques spread more quickly. So you put all of those very specialized people together and make something better/more complex. I don't think that it's necessarily a result of greater "intelligence" in the entire group.

  96. Re:Simple...: A thousand thanx by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Indeed, Good Citizen, one must heartily agree. I suscribe to Jane Jacobs last book, Dark Age Ahead, so many have become sooo ignorant they are clueless to the vacuum of information they are missing --- and their answer to every fact is a resoundingly moronic response of....."Conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory!"

    Today, nobody has a clue as to who owns anything, AND everything! Nobody can grasph that a David Rockefeller, worth an estimated $30 billion in 1960, is today ONLY OFFICIALLY worth $2 billion? ? ? ? ? (Please don't look at all those foundations, trusts, offshore trusts, offshore unregistered trusts, and various other types of trusts, land trusts, etc., where the Rockefeller, and du Pont, and Mellon and Koch, and Morgan-Schilling family fortunes are well-hidden and sheltered.)

    A typically pinhead politician idiotically spews forth his notion of "responsibility of the rapee" (rapist's victim) and all the sheeple speak of that, as if it was mandated and officially mandatory --- instead of any real and value-laden issues of the present and future.

    Few people can do arithmetic today, few still understand fundamental arithmetical relationships and correlations. We are truly screwed.....

  97. Forgot to mention..... by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    An excellent study, run in three parts in the old (and pre-neocon/neolib present influences) Atlantic Monthly, back in the early 1970s, (believe it was by Jensen, but don't recall specifically), indicated that from empirecal data and evidence, the most overwhelmingly likely indicator of economic success in America was the family one was born into.

  98. Interestingly . . . by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Jane Jacobs, in her book, Dark Age Ahead, neatly dispatches Jared Diamond and his "biogeography" thesis in just several clever sentences.

    David Deutsch, the British physicist, on the other hand, completely demolishes Diamond's thesis in two to three pages in interesting and captivating book, Beginning of Infinity.

    After reading Diamond's drivel in "Guns, ...." I mentioned to a friend he would one day be writing the intros for hedge fund managers' books --- and I've recently noticed I have been proven right .....

    1. Re:Interestingly . . . by airdweller · · Score: 1

      Argumentum ad verecundiam. Non sequitur. Ad hominem.

      Good job, sgt_doom! You have shown very well that you liked their opinions more than those of Diamond and you didn't like Diamond.

  99. Train Wrecks by painandgreed · · Score: 2

    I couldn't watch them either. Especially that Jersey Shore train wreck!

    Everybody I know who has ever watched Jersey Shore, and the only reason I have ever seen an episode, was because it was a train wreck. Similar to many of the other shows, I suspect that a large part of the viewing audience is watching it just to make themselves feel better because they see those in the show as so much worse than they are, not because they actually relate or like the show's subject matter.

  100. What is more important than abstract reasoning? by proca · · Score: 1

    The post seems to say there is more to intelligence than abstract reasoning. How else do you differentiate Man and beast other than the ability for abstraction (aside from the ability to communicate it, I guess). Every other aspect of the human mind is exhibited in other animals, but we are the only ones able to understand our world as a set of abstract concepts. Abstraction is vital in our ability to teach our offspring, to create new tools, to find new strategies. Behaviors that take evolution millenia to develop can be conceptualized and executed in mere seconds by a capable human.

  101. Where's the proof? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Because I see nothing in reality that proves it. I can't trust getting change from anyone any more. Even dead easy math seems to be over many people's heads. Then there are the morons behind the wheel, the Romney voters, the Hoey boo boo fans. Perhaps there are enough people pulling the average way up but the world is chock full of retards.

  102. Why all the denial and knashing of teeth? by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    "Why all the denial and knashing of teeth?

    Obviously, because many of us realize that a vast number of the people we come in contact with are hopelessly ignorant, stupid and clueless. Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency???

    A private equity thieving leveraged buyout debt queen, actually running for the presidency????

    Voters entirely ignorant of President Obama's 100% neocon administration????

    Union workers in Wisconsin, where the governor is attempting to end collective bargaining and other evil deeds, cheery former president, Bill Clinton, who stridently helped to end collective bargaining and turn Arkansas into a "right-to-work" state (anti-union, anti-worker) when he was governor?????

    "More intelligent..." is highly, highly debatable....

    1. Re:Why all the denial and knashing of teeth? by redelm · · Score: 1
      You (and many others) assume that if people were more intelligent, they would have "better" values (yours!)

      What if people are so "irredeemably evil" that they just used their increased intelligence to pursue the same values? [Nevermind the third case]

  103. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit - takes 10 seconds on /. to know this is utter bullshit. Argumentative nature = up. Intelligence = down. Look at everyone who quote Wikipedia.

  104. Um, because this is the epoch of abstraction. by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    APIs, UIs, regulatory regimes (channels, frequencies, law) are all abstractions.

    Machines have gone from the Mumfordian account of the machine to automatons. Rather than a lever being a mechanical process through which we apply bodily force to accomplish a task with cybernetic applied force feedback, a lever instead (through a force unrelated to the actual work being done) communicates an abstracted imperative to a machine that then carries out the task independently of us (and whose processes we must understand and anticipate, rather than experience phenomenologically), and that then reports back to us in equally abstracted fashion.

    We don't start the boiler by shoveling coal and turning valves, we start it by sending it symbolic commands using one interface or another. We don't observe the water level by looking through a window, we "observe" it by noting the numbers on a display that it "reports" to us. The step that says that what we're doing when we start and monitor the boiler actually has something to do with water inside a tank is now entirely conceptual.

    This goes 1000x for computing and network technology, which today is all about marrying the outputs of A to the inputs of B, and the outputs of C to the inputs of D, fitting A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3, etc. in place between A and B or between B and C in order to translate said outputs to inputs appropriately.

    To make these heuretic systems work (your iPhone connected to the network, the app store connected to your iPhone, the app connected to the app store, Dropbox connected to your app, your computer connected to Dropbox, and your iPhone connected to your computer, etc.) we have to be able to traffic quickly and accurately in abstractions.

    These are what we loosely term "scientific reasoning" skills and "technological literacy" skills today. They're the primary intellectual and practical (as in relating to everyday practice) currencies of our age.

    There was much less use for this stuff a century ago, unless you happened to be a scientist working in a few narrow areas.

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  105. Not the Flynn Effect, NR Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The New Republic is reliably wrong. The Flynn Effect shows rising IQs, about 15-20 points or so, on average, from BETTER CHILDHOOD NUTRITION. It is that simple. Things like Iodine in early childhood make a huge difference in brain development. But there are still massive differences.

    Blacks of West African descent in the Caribbean and the US have an average IQ of 85. Their near identical genetic cousins in West Africa have an average IQ of about 65-70. Those in West Africa have little iodine in their diet, as a result toddlers brains don't develop as well as their American and West Indian cousins. Flynn found this as well among Maori and Pacific Islanders, those with a western diet heavy on ...

    IODINE ADDED SALT ...

    Scored on average 15-20 points or so higher than those generations before, who had not.

    Takeaways -- things like childhood nutrition, vacinnation, disease suppression, clean water, sewage treatment, can do a fairly significant amount of good on AVERAGE POPULATIONS (individuals will vary of course). In the aggregate, these are positive steps to make populations smarter. HOWEVER, there are hard limits imposed by evolution and biology on how much IQs can be raised, absent DNA manipulation. Blacks in the US and Caribbean still have an IQ that is 15 points lower than that of Whites, this has significant implications in that absent fiddling around with most Black DNA, Blacks will ALWAYS lag in things that REQUIRE HIGHER IQS just as Whites will always lag in things that favor Black people: running/jumping/strength/agility sports like football, basketball, the Men's 100 Meter Sprint (no White guy has been in the Olympic FINALS since the 1980 Moscow Boycott Olympics). This also means Black crime rates will be significantly higher than Whites, because of much larger proportions of Low IQ MEN who can't figure out that acting on violent impulses will negatively affect their lives. Such as lengthy prison sentences or getting shot. This also means that Hollywood lies about most Blacks being magical repositories of goodness, sedate HIGH IQ occupations, and spiritual wisdom is nothing but a Hollywood lie. Black people are neither a master race for athletic prowess on average, or untermenschen for lower AVERAGE IQ. They are just different.

    But changing their IQs to White norms is not possible even with the Flynn Effect outside outright DNA manipulation (which is already been done in Mice for athletic effect). There is some progress to be made. But Blacks on AVERAGE are in the US still 15% lower on IQ scores; that has not changed for over forty years. And I would be leerly of genetic engineering people just to make them fit delusional lies of how every population group is the same.

  106. Begone Woes by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

    So the Lake Woebegone Effect IS true!!!

  107. prenatal care, nutrition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A large number of pregnant women now avoid alcohol, increase their folic acid and iodine intake, an include small amounts of fish (omega-3/6 fatty acids, but not enough to damage through mercury intake).

  108. IQ tests have no real purpose by billd10 · · Score: 0

    A better measurement of intelligence would be to observe behavior. What do people read, watch on TV (the vast wasteland), see at movies and do in life? Our school system wants to increase everybody's self esteem. That's far more important to them than teaching reasoning and skills, which is far more difficult. Who in society has great self esteem? Criminals, who feel like their desires trump any of your rights. No wonder our schools have become hotbeds of bullying and discrimination. People years ago were more self-reliant. Does that mean they were smarter? I would say it does. Passing tests when you are taught how to answer the questions--teaching to the test--only makes one more likely to get a good score, not be successful in life.

  109. Getting mean about it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unsure of the total (couldn't be arsed to look up how many members are on it), but I'd bet good money they average less than 100. This is the obvious response you were fishing for, isn't it?

  110. Re:IQ tests are getting dumbed down... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Idiocy is not just fiction. It is a commentary on modern society and a (exaggerated) prediction of many ill effects that the writer believes will happen given our current trend. Dismissing Idiocracy because it is fiction is just as bad as dismissing a statement because it used a metaphore. Both are making a point, and both are fictitious.

  111. Yeah, and everyone is THE best driver around. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or does everyone on the entire internet claim to have an IQ ~150? Where is the other 99.9663019177% of the population?

    Everyone believes, secretly or otherwise, that they could easily be a pro racing driver, but, well, you know, who has the time or the money...?

    Almost nobody will put a tick in the "average", "below average", or "poor" box when asked to self-assess their own driving skill and ability. They will modestly claim to be "above average", while the more ambitious will select "excellent".

    None of them can drive for shit.

  112. Re:IQ tests are getting dumbed down... by boneglorious · · Score: 1

    It's more a comment on society in 1951, since that's when the story on which it was based was published...

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  113. Because we've transitioned to a service industry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now value abstract reasoning skills and as such we practice them more.

  114. I see very little evidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to suggest that members of society are becoming smarter. I base my belief upon society's ever declining standards in literature, art, music and science. Modern music has become less complex and far less acoustically rich in comparison to music 100 years ago. I mention this because I believe the quality of music in a given society reflects well the capacity that members of that society possess for advanced, abstract and innovative thinking.

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  116. Mostly just more training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We spend almost 16 years in school. If we would spend as much time body building as we spend brain building we would all be athletes.

  117. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by operagost · · Score: 0

    Don't blame "political correctness" on this, blame crass people like Anne Coulter [huffingtonpost.com] who use the medical term in a derogatory sense towards those who don't have the disability without any sensitivity to those who must actually live with the condition.

    Kids were calling each other "retarded" when I was in grade school. I'm pretty sure Coulter didn't invent it. But thanks for surreptitiously injecting your worthless political opinion into the discussion.

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  118. A thought experiment... by slew · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this will force mensa to change their requirements (under the threat of false advertising).

    Assuming that you have to be in the top 2% to be a member of mensa and younger people getting higher IQ score, for someone with an IQ enough to clear the 98% level, after a while, it probably won't be good enough (their raw test score won't be in the top 2% anymore). So you'd have to score high enough so that during your life expectancy, you wouldn't fall below the 98% level. If the current trends hold, you might expect to need a pretty high score on an intelligence tests to rank in the top 2% for the duration of your life.

    Strangely, although new members of Mensa would be getting smarter over time, the average intelligence of a Mensa member relative to the rest of the world would likely be going down over time (unless they kicked out older members that scored borderline in the past order to maintain their stated top 2% charter, or were growing the group fast enough to overcome this trend).

    Food for thought? (not that it matters any iota, but just a curiosity)...

  119. You just don't get the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intelligence Quotient is tied to the mean intelligence of your age group. If you think that "IQ values you've seen are larger" than they used to, the people whose results you haven't seen will have has even lower results to even it out. So it could mean that the differences in perceived intelligence are growing, or you just had too small sample set.

    Here's a link for you.

  120. 1 word by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

    Iodizedsalt.

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  121. Here I was thinking it was going the other way by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Take guys like Jefferson, Lincoln, Carnegie, Edison. Jefferson every today would put probably our best people to shame Jefferson had such a command of the language. As I have interviewed people over the past 3 decades I certainly thought they were better in the past. Some today are dumber than a box of rocks, yet they got good grades.

    Offhand I suspect the testing is being dumbed down. Just like school is.

  122. My Take by Nyder · · Score: 1

    People are just as intelligent as they were in the past. One thing people today have over people in the past is a better change at getting an education, so they can use their intelligent for brainy stuff. People have better access to different types of food, so getting balance meals are easier. We have children to go school instead of working in factories and farms. For a lot of the world life is better then it was.

    Has IQ tests been the same for the last 100 years? I mean, how can you say the average IQ was 70 if they didn't take the test? Sounds like a load of crap to me.

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  123. Multiple Intelligences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might be worth considering the possibility that there are multiple types of intelligences. Most people don't fall into the extremes of an intelligence, but those who do often experience deficits in other intelligences (as far as I can tell).

    According to Howard Gardner, there are 8 types of intelligences:

    • Visual/Spatial
    • Verbal/Linguistic
    • Logical/Mathematical
    • Bodily/Kinesthetic
    • Musical
    • Interpersonal
    • Intrapersonal
    • Naturalist

    Source: http://www.cse.emory.edu/sciencenet/mismeasure/genius/research02.html

    Existential intelligence has been considered for inclusion on this list, but Howard Gardner says "I find the phenomenon perplexing enough and the distance from the other intelligences vast enough to dictate prudence - at least for now" (http://www.infed.org/thinkers/gardner.htm).

  124. If I had a time machine by JoshRoss · · Score: 1

    If I had a time machine that could take me back to 1899, I don't think my newly acquired smarts would help me in getting into Harvard. Oh well. -Josh

  125. It's because we're in the Right-Brain Era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A hypothesis: Increase in "subtests that measure abstract reasoning and pattern recognition" can be accounted for by recent generations' emphasis on right-brain thinking. See Daniel H. Pink's arguments in *A Whole New Mind*. See the hottest topics on TED: Innovation, Creativity (Ken Robinson), design thinking, "New Data on the Rise of Women" (Hanna Rosin) (interesting indirect confirmation of the current right brain thinking era: Women on the whole are biologically wired to be stronger in right-brain thinking and whole brain/holistic thinking; thus it's not surprising that they are gaining prominence in a global economy and contemporary workplace which increasingly rewards skills that are right-brain oriented (collaboration; EQ; creativity; divergent and lateral thinking; design/aesthetics; synthesizing connections from disparate, eclectic sources, among others)).

    Also, the habitual ways we use the Internet and particularly social media technology has accustomed our minds to operating in a broader ("oceanic"), more holistic manner, able to intake large amounts of data and recognize patterns (though Nicholas Carr would lament that we are losing in-depth, sustained analytical thinking as collateral damage). (It is misleading to say that technology is merely a tool; the reality is that we are shaping technology as well as being shaped by technology. This of course is nothing new; this phenomenon can be observed in nearly every sustained technology wave in multiple civilizations across history.)

    Education and training sectors are increasingly emphasizing the right brain.

    Perhaps in another generation the pendulum will swing back to advancement of left-brain thinking (the "New Left-Brain Era"). Or what will become of the post-right brain, post-whole brain era? It's comparable to the MMA world now. After the Gracies introduced Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the first UFC and demonstrated the necessity to cross-train in martial arts to deal with all ranges of fighting, MMA was born. However, since everyone is learning everyone else's arts now and becoming much more well-rounded, the wins are increasingly based more on individual virtuosity rather than system superiority (e.g. BJJ vs Karate). What will be post-MMA? When will another breakthrough, another paradigm shift come?

    IQ is definitely fluid to a certain extent. Fixed intelligence vs malleable intelligence view (see Carol Dweck's Mindset on the growth mindset). At the upper reaches, however, genetic limits do apply. Even so, with genetic science, we will be probably be able to manipulate our genes, just like we exercise our muscles or diet to mold our body. So the whole concept of IQ may eventually become irrelevant: a Post-IQ society.

  126. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    Calling someone a retard has been common for many decades....I've heard it since being a child, and have used it myself.

    People just need to get over it on all this PC crap.

    They are just WORDS after all....they can't hurt you unless you let them.

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  127. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, try telling a 30 year old with the emotional development of a 4 year old to "just suck it up" and see how far that gets you. I work with developmentally disabled people, this "It can't hurt you unless you let it" crap assumes that people all have the self control to pretend not to be in emotional pain. Most of the DD segment of society can't even handle it when you tell them that you don't like their favorite TV show.

    Everywhere they go, people sneer at them, make loud comments like "disgusting," or get up and leave a restaurant because they don't want to be close them, and you think it's PC crap that they might feel a little uncomfortable about the fact that everyone in this country seems to think it's ok to jokingly refer to people they don't like as retards?

    Exactly what part of mentally retarded (slowed/delayed) don't you understand? I bet you're one of those people who uses racial slurs and gets upset when someone calls you a racist for it.

  128. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha, because children do it it's ok! Great political insight. I bet that's why you vote republican.

    He didn't say she invented it, he said she is a jerk for defending its use. Work on your reading comprehension a bit there.

  129. That aint science by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

    From the article:
    " It urges us—researcher and layperson alike—to take the veiled bigotry of absolute genetic differences among races, genders, and nations off the table."

    Researchers should take a possible explanation "off the table" for ideological reasons?

  130. What is intellegence? by sglines · · Score: 1

    The article says"why are we getting better at abstract reasoning and little else?" Well what is intelligence? Isn't it simply "abstract reasoning and little else??

  131. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by nobodie · · Score: 1

    no, it could be a real neologism, about women who got married , divorced and then went on the prowl gain so they got "retarted"

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  132. What is the meaning of (-ve) ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject

  133. Re:How long before a Politically Correct complaint by operagost · · Score: 1

    Hahaha! Was it OK when Rahm Emanuel called protestors retarded, then? You're a cretin.

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