Facebook has already hit me with a pink screen requiring my mobile number to unlock my account once. My response was to abandon Zynga games, restart another Facebook account and abandon the old one.
It's apparently a common problem when multiple people log in from the same computer. Several folks with families on one computer responded to my post on Zynga saying they'd all had the same problem. FB requires one phone per person and they had kids playing- no mobile so everything was lost.
It's also not worth it for factory worker Joe Blow to spend $3,000 a year setting up a and maintaining a trust that provides tax free income which Joe and his children would have to pay.
In some cases, they are even a total sham. I set up a trust and give it to Jill to run for me. Jill sets up a trust and gives it to Sam to run for her. Sam sets up a trust and gives it to me to run for him.
No way to prove collusion but we basically all get $3000 a year to run each other's trusts... plus tax free status as investment advisers.
I used to spend more time on FB. Used a desktop, laptop, iphone. Played zynga games. Did the various "Here I am at such and such" updates.
Then one day, I got this pink alert that said, "You need to enter your mobile phone number and we will send you a text with a validation number. Until then, your account is frozen."
Knowing FB's privacy issues and lacking a convenient throw down phone (I did try the google phone but it didn't work), I simply dropped the account and started a new one.
I use it a lot less. Since I lost all Zynga game progress, I stopped playing Zynga games. I posted on Zynga and got about 160 responses from others who had the same thing happen to them.
Apparently multiple people using the same IP address (a common family situation) sets this off- perhaps in combination with Zynga games. FB desires to have a hard identification to a real person behind each account. That would make the accounts more valuable to sell as information.
I cut my FB usage to 20-30 minutes a week. Mainly reading up on friend's status and posting a simple text status occasionally. Not going to invest in something that can be taken away at any time. Not going to give FB my mobile number or real address.
Some areas are unquestionably warming Tokyo is a straight climb from 1880.
The warming trend in the 40's lasted about half as long. But why?
Wading through the data there, I saw similar data in antarctica, greenland, russia, south america.
These areas appear to be actually heating up: China, Africa, Japan.
Greenland IS losing a lot of ice tho (giga tons).
It was cold in 1880, warmed through the 1940's, then cooled through the 70's and then heated in the 80's, 90's, and 10's. But the 10's were really steep and just had a sharp drop in many locations- there was a sharp drop after the 40's too. Doesn't toss out GW-- but the parent posters point that the 10's are not long enough.
If you take 70 (the bottom) through 2010, then you also need to consider 1880->1945 (warming) and 1945->1970 (cooling) periods as well.
In america, the workers are split 50/50 on the abortion issue so they vote in pro business corporate republican candidates who are also anti-abortion.
As a result, they lose their jobs, work long hours, and the powers of the unions to negotiate effectively has been destroyed.
And our unions got stuck on job titles. if you are a union plumber, you lay pipe and install plumbing stuff- that's it. The union carpenter drills the hole in the stud that the pipe goes through. The union electrician runs the wiring for your electrical device. The union parts guy gets your parts out of the central supply.
Unions are a good idea. They just sort of lost their way in the 60's and went overboard and the leadership became corrupt.
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I keep hoping the 1 million per month losing benefits starting in december are going to realize the corporations and republicans are taking them to the cleaners and destroying them.
I'm not saying these hours are reasonable- I wouldn't hire into a company that did them. I wouldn't voluntarily do them.
Could agree more. But the corporations use Abortion as a wedge issue to divide workers.
However, i've also seen the bad side of unions. A friend fined because he drilled a frikkin 1" hole so he could lay some pipe. The "hole driller" didn't get back for 2 hours. He would have had to sit there doing nothing for two hours.
Being DENIED the ability to actually work is even more soul draining that a 10 hour day to me (probably about on par with a 12 hour day).
Dude. I'm a seasoned professional. I can recognize that we are working those hours and delivering quality. The rest of the team did for 13 months before I got roped in.
It's probably not sustainable for years but 18 months is possible. This is not a dot com company. These are not young inexperienced resources. Just about everyone on the project has at least 12 years experience (or more).
The hours suck. You shouldn't hire ON to a company doing this. But I have a several years of light duty here. I know it will go back to that. For decades the company has made employee retention a core value- we augment with contractors and return to core staff after each project like this (there have been two or three in 30 years).
Being creative and effective at 12 hours requires that you are getting enough sleep.
I will have money to invest and stellar credit. What kind of net return do you get? In the past, you depended on the equity and it was break even until the property was paid off. I do finally know a good handiman tho.
However, it's my read that we have 60 more days of this and then things start to return to normal. They won't be back to normal until later in the year but we are almost to the downhill part.
The parent post was asking about 10 to 11 hours as if it was impossible. Several of my friends either have or do work over 10 to 11 hours a day as required, sometimes for long periods. There will be a year or two of 7.5 hour days at some point again in a couple years.
The management is dropping by the rooms recognizing individuals and teams.
The group successfully sold the culture of no blame and no backstabbing. Problems happen, we deal with them, we move on.
Plus the company has done this two or three times in the past 30 years and it has been successful each time. It's one thing to work on a failed project with bad direction and another to work on a successful project with good direction.
I think it's great that things worked out for you but 1 million people a month are falling off the benefits you had. Some of them are losing everything. Perhaps I'm overly cautious. And so is everyone else where I am working apparently.
No one here is bitching or moaning. We are delivering and having fun.
I would never pick this but this is where companies which actually keep employees for decades benefit. When a crunch like this comes, we deliver because we know there is something on the other side. Companies that dump employees can't offer that intangible benefit.
Would you work 18 months (in my case 7 months) if it meant you would get 8 years of a solid six figure income for your family with reasonable working hours after that 18 months? Because that's what everyone here can count on reasonably well (things could always change- but so far havn't for 30 years).
If I quit today, I still get about 50% of the pension. If I got laid off at 62, I would lose 7.5% of my pension.
However, you need to keep your eyes open at any company and do reasonableness checks. I'm reasonably connected and things are solid for at least the next 6-8 years based on both internal information and external information.
Management could change any time to something less appreciative and wise.
Being too negative will hurt your life. I've had a good one so far and it's still good now. This is a challenging period.
Boss leaves sometimes before, sometimes after the rest of us. Always there before us.
The "big bosses" are working way over 12 hours a day. They drop by- I'm sure they'll make out like bandits when this is done. And be able to write their ticket at other companies if this is as successful as it looks to be.
We'll probably lose a lot of folks to much higher salaries as soon as the economy recovers too.
But the bosses at this company work their asses off. They've been on 2am calls with me and they still get to work about 7am while I roll in about 8:30. I literally couldn't do what they do. I would collapse.
Already did that part of my life. But many at the office haven't. They've got it tough. But morale is good. People are happy. The finish line is in sight and the metrics are headed in the right directions.
Most of us do not prioritize family the same way gen-x/gen-y'ers do.
I'm thinking muni bonds if they crater out this year. Some are up to 6% now. It would be super sweet to get into a good reliable muni bond that got hammered with the rest so it was paying 8% for the next 30 years.
I wouldn't directly invest in rentals- my mom did that -- cleaning up human waste and repairing holes in the walls are not really my thing.
I get what you are saying... it's more like my hourly rate will have dropped from $100 per hour to $67 per hour. I still take home the same pay and get a (woo hoo) 5.5% bonus so that will take me back up to about $72 per hour.
But my total compensation will still be pretty sweet. And I'll be able to enjoy it late. More importantly-- they WILL have basically robbed me of 7 months of my healthy life including two regular annual activities.
But I'll take it over what 90% of the rest of the world suffers under. It sucks- but many other things suck much worse.
Could I work 10 to 11 hours a day? By that would be a nice change for the better!
I've been there many years. I know everyone. They know me. I feel safe, well liked. I have a position in the community.
Before then I was a contract programmer- things got dicey when Y2K ended but those were glory years- long hours- but $150k tax advantaged salary in today's dollars. It was plush. I miss it.
house operator then programmer/manager and contract programmer on the side. Then I was at a dairy queen high school job back in the 70s.
--- It's conveniently located. About a 20 minute drive from home.
Until the crush, you could work from home a couple days a week.
The company is solid- a leader in its industry and no sign that will change. Management is sharp and (usually) steers the company well in hard times.
--- I'm vested... literally. I get a damn pension. It's going to be frakkin awesome because it's plausible (fully funded and low enough that it will probably never be cut/fail) and reasonable and it goes on top of social security and the 401k.
The vacation is nice- I would lose it if I went elsewhere. In a year, I'll be reasonably able to take close to two months off per year by pushing sick time a little (since it's maxed anyway).
They are very easy going about minor stuff like car repairs, doctor visits.
The managers and people in general are nice, not weaselly, there is no backstabbing below the director level. That goes a long way.
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The horror story... I had a friend. who had a good job in the late 80's. And he got a bad attitude and left it. And he has never ever gotten as good a job again.
So let's say I'm at a local maximum and I think that the risks associated with going for a higher maximum are too high.
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It's nice to believe that but reality is a lot of drugs have measurable, repeatable effects that placebos don't create.
Facebook has already hit me with a pink screen requiring my mobile number to unlock my account once. My response was to abandon Zynga games, restart another Facebook account and abandon the old one.
It's apparently a common problem when multiple people log in from the same computer. Several folks with families on one computer responded to my post on Zynga saying they'd all had the same problem. FB requires one phone per person and they had kids playing- no mobile so everything was lost.
I use FB a lot less now too.
Fundamentally, governments and taxes are a way to keep those who do not have resources from rising up and killing those who do.
The wealthy benefit mightily from their taxes which go to reduce the pain of the masses below the boiling point.
When they forget that, they die and lose everything.
They seem to forget that every two or three centuries and just wallow in greed until they get their heads cut off.
Mod UP, informative (unless it's redundant).
I'm so glad wikileaks exists. I hope the spinoff, Openleak, makes it too.
It's also not worth it for factory worker Joe Blow to spend $3,000 a year setting up a and maintaining a trust that provides tax free income which Joe and his children would have to pay.
In some cases, they are even a total sham. I set up a trust and give it to Jill to run for me. Jill sets up a trust and gives it to Sam to run for her. Sam sets up a trust and gives it to me to run for him.
No way to prove collusion but we basically all get $3000 a year to run each other's trusts... plus tax free status as investment advisers.
I used to spend more time on FB. Used a desktop, laptop, iphone. Played zynga games. Did the various "Here I am at such and such" updates.
Then one day, I got this pink alert that said, "You need to enter your mobile phone number and we will send you a text with a validation number. Until then, your account is frozen."
Knowing FB's privacy issues and lacking a convenient throw down phone (I did try the google phone but it didn't work), I simply dropped the account and started a new one.
I use it a lot less. Since I lost all Zynga game progress, I stopped playing Zynga games. I posted on Zynga and got about 160 responses from others who had the same thing happen to them.
Apparently multiple people using the same IP address (a common family situation) sets this off- perhaps in combination with Zynga games. FB desires to have a hard identification to a real person behind each account. That would make the accounts more valuable to sell as information.
I cut my FB usage to 20-30 minutes a week. Mainly reading up on friend's status and posting a simple text status occasionally. Not going to invest in something that can be taken away at any time. Not going to give FB my mobile number or real address.
Go to NASA Giss station finder.
Browse the sites with data from 1880's to 2010.
You'll see it.
Tokyo is a noticable exception. It goes up constantly from 1880's to 2010.
You must have the secret of immortality! Watch out for people with swords.
Then why was it warmer in many locations in 1945?
Why do they keep finding mistakes?
Why did they feel the need to make adjustments to splice data sets together.
Don't get me wrong- I think GW is real. Not sure about AGW.
But look at the 1880 to 2010 There was a lot of warming from 1880 to 1945. And a lot of cooling from 1945 to 1970's.
Even the IPCC puts that a little further away.
Brackish water will be more of an issue before that.
It was hotter in many locations in the 40's.
Look at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=620040630003&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
Look at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=620040630003&data_set=1&num_neighbors=3
Some areas are unquestionably warming Tokyo is a straight climb from 1880.
The warming trend in the 40's lasted about half as long. But why?
Wading through the data there, I saw similar data in antarctica, greenland, russia, south america.
These areas appear to be actually heating up: China, Africa, Japan.
Greenland IS losing a lot of ice tho (giga tons).
It was cold in 1880, warmed through the 1940's, then cooled through the 70's and then heated in the 80's, 90's, and 10's. But the 10's were really steep and just had a sharp drop in many locations- there was a sharp drop after the 40's too. Doesn't toss out GW-- but the parent posters point that the 10's are not long enough.
If you take 70 (the bottom) through 2010, then you also need to consider 1880->1945 (warming) and 1945->1970 (cooling) periods as well.
In america, the workers are split 50/50 on the abortion issue so they vote in pro business corporate republican candidates who are also anti-abortion.
As a result, they lose their jobs, work long hours, and the powers of the unions to negotiate effectively has been destroyed.
And our unions got stuck on job titles. if you are a union plumber, you lay pipe and install plumbing stuff- that's it. The union carpenter drills the hole in the stud that the pipe goes through. The union electrician runs the wiring for your electrical device. The union parts guy gets your parts out of the central supply.
Unions are a good idea. They just sort of lost their way in the 60's and went overboard and the leadership became corrupt.
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I keep hoping the 1 million per month losing benefits starting in december are going to realize the corporations and republicans are taking them to the cleaners and destroying them.
I'm not saying these hours are reasonable- I wouldn't hire into a company that did them. I wouldn't voluntarily do them.
Could agree more. But the corporations use Abortion as a wedge issue to divide workers.
However, i've also seen the bad side of unions. A friend fined because he drilled a frikkin 1" hole so he could lay some pipe. The "hole driller" didn't get back for 2 hours. He would have had to sit there doing nothing for two hours.
Being DENIED the ability to actually work is even more soul draining that a 10 hour day to me (probably about on par with a 12 hour day).
Dude. I'm a seasoned professional. I can recognize that we are working those hours and delivering quality. The rest of the team did for 13 months before I got roped in.
It's probably not sustainable for years but 18 months is possible. This is not a dot com company. These are not young inexperienced resources. Just about everyone on the project has at least 12 years experience (or more).
The hours suck. You shouldn't hire ON to a company doing this. But I have a several years of light duty here. I know it will go back to that. For decades the company has made employee retention a core value- we augment with contractors and return to core staff after each project like this (there have been two or three in 30 years).
Being creative and effective at 12 hours requires that you are getting enough sleep.
I will have money to invest and stellar credit. What kind of net return do you get? In the past, you depended on the equity and it was break even until the property was paid off. I do finally know a good handiman tho.
I agree.
However, it's my read that we have 60 more days of this and then things start to return to normal. They won't be back to normal until later in the year but we are almost to the downhill part.
The parent post was asking about 10 to 11 hours as if it was impossible. Several of my friends either have or do work over 10 to 11 hours a day as required, sometimes for long periods. There will be a year or two of 7.5 hour days at some point again in a couple years.
No! that would be very tiresome. Too much of a good thing!
I think there are some key points.
The management is putting in the hours too.
The management is dropping by the rooms recognizing individuals and teams.
The group successfully sold the culture of no blame and no backstabbing. Problems happen, we deal with them, we move on.
Plus the company has done this two or three times in the past 30 years and it has been successful each time. It's one thing to work on a failed project with bad direction and another to work on a successful project with good direction.
My preferred hours are 7 hours a day.
I think it's great that things worked out for you but 1 million people a month are falling off the benefits you had. Some of them are losing everything. Perhaps I'm overly cautious. And so is everyone else where I am working apparently.
No one here is bitching or moaning. We are delivering and having fun.
I would never pick this but this is where companies which actually keep employees for decades benefit. When a crunch like this comes, we deliver because we know there is something on the other side. Companies that dump employees can't offer that intangible benefit.
Would you work 18 months (in my case 7 months) if it meant you would get 8 years of a solid six figure income for your family with reasonable working hours after that 18 months? Because that's what everyone here can count on reasonably well (things could always change- but so far havn't for 30 years).
Our pensions don't work that way.
If I quit today, I still get about 50% of the pension. If I got laid off at 62, I would lose 7.5% of my pension.
However, you need to keep your eyes open at any company and do reasonableness checks. I'm reasonably connected and things are solid for at least the next 6-8 years based on both internal information and external information.
Management could change any time to something less appreciative and wise.
Being too negative will hurt your life. I've had a good one so far and it's still good now. This is a challenging period.
Boss leaves sometimes before, sometimes after the rest of us. Always there before us.
The "big bosses" are working way over 12 hours a day. They drop by- I'm sure they'll make out like bandits when this is done. And be able to write their ticket at other companies if this is as successful as it looks to be.
We'll probably lose a lot of folks to much higher salaries as soon as the economy recovers too.
But the bosses at this company work their asses off. They've been on 2am calls with me and they still get to work about 7am while I roll in about 8:30. I literally couldn't do what they do. I would collapse.
Already did that part of my life. But many at the office haven't. They've got it tough. But morale is good. People are happy. The finish line is in sight and the metrics are headed in the right directions.
Most of us do not prioritize family the same way gen-x/gen-y'ers do.
Thanks!
I'm thinking muni bonds if they crater out this year. Some are up to 6% now.
It would be super sweet to get into a good reliable muni bond that got hammered with the rest so it was paying 8% for the next 30 years.
I wouldn't directly invest in rentals- my mom did that -- cleaning up human waste and repairing holes in the walls are not really my thing.
But perhaps indirectly...
I get what you are saying... it's more like my hourly rate will have dropped from $100 per hour to $67 per hour. I still take home the same pay and get a (woo hoo) 5.5% bonus so that will take me back up to about $72 per hour.
But my total compensation will still be pretty sweet. And I'll be able to enjoy it late. More importantly-- they WILL have basically robbed me of 7 months of my healthy life including two regular annual activities.
But I'll take it over what 90% of the rest of the world suffers under. It sucks- but many other things suck much worse.
Could I work 10 to 11 hours a day? By that would be a nice change for the better!
Why am I there.
I've been there many years. I know everyone. They know me. I feel safe, well liked. I have a position in the community.
Before then I was a contract programmer- things got dicey when Y2K ended but those were glory years- long hours- but $150k tax advantaged salary in today's dollars. It was plush. I miss it.
house operator then programmer/manager and contract programmer on the side.
Then I was at a dairy queen high school job back in the 70s.
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It's conveniently located. About a 20 minute drive from home.
Until the crush, you could work from home a couple days a week.
The company is solid- a leader in its industry and no sign that will change. Management is sharp and (usually) steers the company well in hard times.
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I'm vested... literally. I get a damn pension. It's going to be frakkin awesome because it's plausible (fully funded and low enough that it will probably never be cut/fail) and reasonable and it goes on top of social security and the 401k.
The vacation is nice- I would lose it if I went elsewhere. In a year, I'll be reasonably able to take close to two months off per year by pushing sick time a little (since it's maxed anyway).
They are very easy going about minor stuff like car repairs, doctor visits.
The managers and people in general are nice, not weaselly, there is no backstabbing below the director level. That goes a long way.
---
The horror story... I had a friend. who had a good job in the late 80's. And he got a bad attitude and left it. And he has never ever gotten as good a job again.
So let's say I'm at a local maximum and I think that the risks associated with going for a higher maximum are too high.