Would I want unlicensed people putting stuff on my body near my eyes?
Licensing usually contains training to recognize medical conditions. For example barbers and beauticians see your scalp closer than anyone and they receive training in recognizing various illnesses.
Licensed people also must take CEU's in many cases.
Licensing frequently includes a criminal background check as well as ongoing annual checks for criminal activity.
Can licensing be abused and become a taxi-medallion like program? Sure.
Banks adore the current situation. Large tuitions due to loans require large loans which you can't escape for life. It's a guaranteed income stream and virtual slavery for an entire generation of young people.
It absolutely kills our economy since they can't ever afford to take risks or retrain until huge debts are paid off.
But if they can be faked, then you can't trust them.
You'll need multiple independent video sources (like different people with different camera's).
The example photo sucks- it's obvious where it was filled. I bet it would be very obvious for video footage but I'm sure the tech will improve further over time.
What workers needed is free industry funded training.
It has to be free because for the next few decades, entire job categories are going to collapse repeatedly.
Just as we have free public schooling, we need free job training or else you'll see violence.
In any case, I'm retired on a fairly tight budget and own my own house (so no rent) and that amount of money wouldn't last me one year. The only way I could survive on that would be to eat really unhealthy food, not buy anything new, walk most places, relying on public transportation only for job interviews and I'd have to go without heat in the winter and cooling in the summer.
As you say, "If you feel like a workplace is hostile because you can't say nasty things about your female coworkers, then it is you making the workplace hostile." -- She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Yup. If you can't fit in a corporate culture, then set up your own business or join a small business. I know of multiple small businesses where Demore's statements wouldn't have been an issue. Hell, at one small company I know of someone was making jokes about pedophilia in in company wide broadcast channel and no one cared.
But at a big multi-billion dollar corporation you lick the boots, keep your trap shut, don't send sexual, racist, or pedophilia emails company wide, etc. And right or wrong, if you piss off the CEO, your days are numbered.
Especially in an "at will' state which all the anti-union forces thinks are so great until someone they like gets arbitrarily fired.
And it's fucking amazing how all the anti government libertarians suddenly line up demanding the government protect employees from business when someone they like gets axed.
and if your shitshow forces the CEO of a multi billion dollar company to cut short their european vacation and return home to deal with it... well you should have your resume ready. There will be consequences.
As you say, "If you feel like a workplace is hostile because you can't say nasty things about your female coworkers, then it is you making the workplace hostile."
And given the exact same commands in a replay of certain battles, the outcomes would be mildly to wildly different.
There was a random element to behavior in the game and as a result, given the same commands at the same time, the battle replays would display different out comes. Sometimes, you would lose but on replay it showed you won. Sometimes, you won but on replay it showed you lost. Kinda funny. (The result you got live was the one that counted).
I wish they hadn't been sold and become so aggressive about monetization. But it was a fun 3 years anyway.
Man, I started seeing it when I was 30 years old in the 80s. It was systemic then and older programmers had more protection then than they do today.
As I quoted above:
"Two-thirds of older tech workers say they have either experienced or witnessed age discrimination at work, according to a 2013 survey taken by the organization."
So sure, you are in the third that has been lucky so far.
But we've had people claiming to be google employees post on slashdot that old people didn't fit their culture.
The most likely case is you will be involuntary let go from your current job and then suddeny find none of your experience matters and you can't even get an interview. Hold on to your job while you have still got it.
So far, 269 people have joined a class-action lawsuit against Google claiming they were discriminated against in the workplace based on their age.
The scope of the lawsuit against Alphabet's Google division was revealed in a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Howard Lloyd and follows what he referred to as a âoelengthyâ hearing that took place in a San Jose on July 26.
The lawsuit originated in 2015 with plaintiff Robert Heath and was certified as a class-action in 2016.
When plaintiff Cheryl Fillekes joined the case in 2015, she claimed that because of her age, Mountain View-based Google did not hire her for an engineering position for which she was qualified, which she alleges violates the federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act. In court documents, Fillelkes claimed that a recruiter told her she needed to put her dates of graduation on her resume so the company could view how old she was.
In October 2016, U.S. District Court Judge Beth Labson Freeman ruled that more software engineers could join the lawsuit. The lawsuit represents over-40 job applicants who sought engineering jobs at Google but say they were discriminated against because of their age.
[See the full complaint below]
"We believe the allegations here are without merit and will continue to defend our position vigorously," said Google spokesperson Ty Sheppard. "We have strong policies against discrimination on any unlawful basis, including age."
In recent years, Google has maintained it has policies in place to guard against age discrimination in the workplace. Last year, Judge Freeman reportedly responded:"Having such a policy does not necessarily shield a company from a discrimination suit, particularly in light of the evidence and allegations presented here... today, most, if not all, companies are well versed in anti-discrimination and make great efforts to ensure their written policies comply with anti-discrimination law."
Itâ(TM)s not the first time the search giant has been accused of age discrimination. In 2004, Google was sued in a case that was ultimately settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
Silicon Valley's tech industry skews young. As of late last year, the median age of workers at both Google and Menlo Park-based Facebook was just 29 years old, according to the Huffington Post. Last year, Hewlett-Packard was sued by former employees who claim that the company had deliberately and unfairly acted to become a "younger" company.
Laurie McCann, a senior attorney with the AARP, which advocates for older people's rights in the U.S., recently stated that ageism in the tech industry is a "very big problem." Two-thirds of older tech workers say they have either experienced or witnessed age discrimination at work, according to a 2013 survey taken by the organization.
A study by recruitment platform Hired cited by the Financial Times suggests that once tech industry workers turn 45, they often see the number of job offers fall and their salaries plateau.
"People brag about how young the average age of their workforce is and say downright derogatory things to older people, almost like they are above the law," McCann said recently, speaking generally about ageism in Silicon Valley's tech industry.
And experience from a 22 year old is much more credible to a 28 year old manager than the same amount of experience from a "greybeard" who is 50 years old.
Aside from that, we really need single payer health care badly because companies know a 22 year old is 99.999% likely to cost them nothing (if they self insure) per year while an older programmer is 50% likely to cost them $1,200 or more annually.
Pre 2008 some companies were caught dumping young people with chronic diseases that had no impact on their ability to do the job. But they were costly to self-insuring corporations.
Okay... here's some evidence. Now at least you can't say you've never heard or seen evidence of google senior managers making comments about employees being âoeobsoleteâ and âoetoo old to matter."
If you work at Google and one of the founding employees of the mega search engine company starts calling you âoeobsoleteâ and âoetoo old to matter,â your days may be numbered.
Thatâ(TM)s what Brian Reid, Googleâ(TM)s vice-president of engineering, is claiming happened before he was fired at age 54 from the company. He worked at the tech giant from 2002 to 2004 and detailed a host of old-guy bashing comments on the part of Google employees in his suit against the company.
This former Stanford professor who said he got great reviews, believes Google, based in Mountain View, CA, gave him the axe because of his age.
His case was thrown out by a lower court because the direct manager who fired him never said a disparaging word about Reidâ(TM)s age, at least not to his face. Even though other Google staffers made fun of his age, the court viewed those comments as âoestray remarks,â and not relevant to Reidâ(TM)s case.
Well, the stateâ(TM)s highest court ruled yesterday that those stray remarks may indeed matter and the case is now moving forward, much to the chagrin of employers across the country.
Rising health care costs and a desire on corporations to avoid training workers (it costs money and corporations fear they'll leave) drive many IT workers from the field at about age 50.
It spiked up after the supreme court gutted age discrimination protection in 2009.
Likewise, younger workers have open said on slashdot that older workers "don't fit their culture".
Which would be amazingly blunt if they said, "black workers don't fit our culture" or "female workers don't fit our culture".
Google actually approached the same 41 year old female engineer 4 times because their automated software was selecting her was a highly qualified candidate and younger human managers repeatedly rejected her. I'm not sure how her lawsuit turned out. So 41 is too old for some managers at Google.
Thing is.. everyone gets older every day. And I've known 64 year old java programmers who programmed the pants off younger workers with a few years experience.
The best thing you can do is to save hard and take any training opportunities you can get. Then also self train in what little spare time you have after the historically longer than average IT work weeks. Eventually, unless you are lucky, all the training in the world won't help because some young managers won't care about your skill set and simply say you are "too old". That's when you retire early on your savings.
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The "free" market can't really exist without a reasonable amount of regulation.
Americans experienced a totally free market pre FDA.
We were sold radium laced water for it's health benefits, various toxic cancerous agents, cars that exploded in mild rear end explosions, and so on.
It's just a fact that businesses will be fraudulent and even risk killing their customers for profit.
Businesses will churn their customers accounts and steal the customer's money if they are not regulated.
Businesses will sell dogmeat in hamburger products if they are not regulated.
Businesses will knowingly sell products that cause death, addiction, and birth defects if they are not regulated.
Businesses will sell products that look legit but which break much sooner (sometimes on first use) if they are not regulated.
Would I want unlicensed people putting stuff on my body near my eyes?
Licensing usually contains training to recognize medical conditions. For example barbers and beauticians see your scalp closer than anyone and they receive training in recognizing various illnesses.
Licensed people also must take CEU's in many cases.
Licensing frequently includes a criminal background check as well as ongoing annual checks for criminal activity.
Can licensing be abused and become a taxi-medallion like program? Sure.
But reasonable licensing requirements have value.
No, of course the number of jobs isn't finite.
New jobs are being created all the time.
The problem is jobs will temporarily be destroyed for 20-30 years at a much higher rate than they are created.
Getting thru that period can be very rough.
My degree cost me $360 a year in 1986. Even adjusting for inflation, there is no need for costs to be as high as they are.
We can provide a decent quality college level education for the cost of public educaiton.
Even state schools tuitions are crazy these days (like $5000 a semester.)
$360 a year was roughly 72 hours minimum wage.
Lol. Really hysterical.
yes, large numbers of older people are being displaced and an increasing number are simply committing suicide because life is so bleak.
You are misreading the situations.
Banks adore the current situation. Large tuitions due to loans require large loans which you can't escape for life. It's a guaranteed income stream and virtual slavery for an entire generation of young people.
It absolutely kills our economy since they can't ever afford to take risks or retrain until huge debts are paid off.
When batteries can be discharged in bankruptcy then banks will stop lending insane amounts to young, ignorant people.
But if they can be faked, then you can't trust them.
You'll need multiple independent video sources (like different people with different camera's).
The example photo sucks- it's obvious where it was filled. I bet it would be very obvious for video footage but I'm sure the tech will improve further over time.
What workers needed is free industry funded training.
It has to be free because for the next few decades, entire job categories are going to collapse repeatedly.
Just as we have free public schooling, we need free job training or else you'll see violence.
In any case, I'm retired on a fairly tight budget and own my own house (so no rent) and that amount of money wouldn't last me one year. The only way I could survive on that would be to eat really unhealthy food, not buy anything new, walk most places, relying on public transportation only for job interviews and I'd have to go without heat in the winter and cooling in the summer.
Antagonistic neural networks improves the quality of both networks.
The detector will get better and the fake will get better. Quickly.
I agree, you got it right man...
As you say, "If you feel like a workplace is hostile because you can't say nasty things about your female coworkers, then it is you making the workplace hostile."
--
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Yup. If you can't fit in a corporate culture, then set up your own business or join a small business. I know of multiple small businesses where Demore's statements wouldn't have been an issue. Hell, at one small company I know of someone was making jokes about pedophilia in in company wide broadcast channel and no one cared.
But at a big multi-billion dollar corporation you lick the boots, keep your trap shut, don't send sexual, racist, or pedophilia emails company wide, etc. And right or wrong, if you piss off the CEO, your days are numbered.
Especially in an "at will' state which all the anti-union forces thinks are so great until someone they like gets arbitrarily fired.
And it's fucking amazing how all the anti government libertarians suddenly line up demanding the government protect employees from business when someone they like gets axed.
and if your shitshow forces the CEO of a multi billion dollar company to cut short their european vacation and return home to deal with it... well you should have your resume ready. There will be consequences.
I agree, you got it right man...
As you say, "If you feel like a workplace is hostile because you can't say nasty things about your female coworkers, then it is you making the workplace hostile."
And given the exact same commands in a replay of certain battles, the outcomes would be mildly to wildly different.
There was a random element to behavior in the game and as a result, given the same commands at the same time, the battle replays would display different out comes. Sometimes, you would lose but on replay it showed you won. Sometimes, you won but on replay it showed you lost. Kinda funny. (The result you got live was the one that counted).
I wish they hadn't been sold and become so aggressive about monetization. But it was a fun 3 years anyway.
Oh yea, and this has been in the news almost annually, it was trivial to find cases. Yet, you've never heard of it or seen it?
That takes some serious kind of blindness, rationalization, and willful ignorance.
Man, I started seeing it when I was 30 years old in the 80s. It was systemic then and older programmers had more protection then than they do today.
As I quoted above:
"Two-thirds of older tech workers say they have either experienced or witnessed age discrimination at work, according to a 2013 survey taken by the organization."
So sure, you are in the third that has been lucky so far.
But we've had people claiming to be google employees post on slashdot that old people didn't fit their culture.
The most likely case is you will be involuntary let go from your current job and then suddeny find none of your experience matters and you can't even get an interview. Hold on to your job while you have still got it.
Yes, we all get old. Which is one reason young people should care more about the employment rights of people older than they are.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sa...
So far, 269 people have joined a class-action lawsuit against Google claiming they were discriminated against in the workplace based on their age.
The scope of the lawsuit against Alphabet's Google division was revealed in a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Howard Lloyd and follows what he referred to as a âoelengthyâ hearing that took place in a San Jose on July 26.
The lawsuit originated in 2015 with plaintiff Robert Heath and was certified as a class-action in 2016.
When plaintiff Cheryl Fillekes joined the case in 2015, she claimed that because of her age, Mountain View-based Google did not hire her for an engineering position for which she was qualified, which she alleges violates the federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act. In court documents, Fillelkes claimed that a recruiter told her she needed to put her dates of graduation on her resume so the company could view how old she was.
In October 2016, U.S. District Court Judge Beth Labson Freeman ruled that more software engineers could join the lawsuit. The lawsuit represents over-40 job applicants who sought engineering jobs at Google but say they were discriminated against because of their age.
[See the full complaint below]
"We believe the allegations here are without merit and will continue to defend our position vigorously," said Google spokesperson Ty Sheppard. "We have strong policies against discrimination on any unlawful basis, including age."
In recent years, Google has maintained it has policies in place to guard against age discrimination in the workplace. Last year, Judge Freeman reportedly responded:"Having such a policy does not necessarily shield a company from a discrimination suit, particularly in light of the evidence and allegations presented here ... today, most, if not all, companies are well versed in anti-discrimination and make great efforts to ensure their written policies comply with anti-discrimination law."
Itâ(TM)s not the first time the search giant has been accused of age discrimination. In 2004, Google was sued in a case that was ultimately settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
Silicon Valley's tech industry skews young. As of late last year, the median age of workers at both Google and Menlo Park-based Facebook was just 29 years old, according to the Huffington Post. Last year, Hewlett-Packard was sued by former employees who claim that the company had deliberately and unfairly acted to become a "younger" company.
Laurie McCann, a senior attorney with the AARP, which advocates for older people's rights in the U.S., recently stated that ageism in the tech industry is a "very big problem." Two-thirds of older tech workers say they have either experienced or witnessed age discrimination at work, according to a 2013 survey taken by the organization.
A study by recruitment platform Hired cited by the Financial Times suggests that once tech industry workers turn 45, they often see the number of job offers fall and their salaries plateau.
"People brag about how young the average age of their workforce is and say downright derogatory things to older people, almost like they are above the law," McCann said recently, speaking generally about ageism in Silicon Valley's tech industry.
Guess you've been lucky.
And experience from a 22 year old is much more credible to a 28 year old manager than the same amount of experience from a "greybeard" who is 50 years old.
Aside from that, we really need single payer health care badly because companies know a 22 year old is 99.999% likely to cost them nothing (if they self insure) per year while an older programmer is 50% likely to cost them $1,200 or more annually.
Pre 2008 some companies were caught dumping young people with chronic diseases that had no impact on their ability to do the job. But they were costly to self-insuring corporations.
Say Detroit residents were pulling a million dollars a year into the city economy this way.
That would generate an average of 7 million dollars a year in economic activity.
ProgrammerInstance.Pants.Remove(true);
Okay... here's some evidence. Now at least you can't say you've never heard or seen evidence of google senior managers making comments about employees being âoeobsoleteâ and âoetoo old to matter."
http://www.evetahmincioglu.com...
If you work at Google and one of the founding employees of the mega search engine company starts calling you âoeobsoleteâ and âoetoo old to matter,â your days may be numbered.
Thatâ(TM)s what Brian Reid, Googleâ(TM)s vice-president of engineering, is claiming happened before he was fired at age 54 from the company. He worked at the tech giant from 2002 to 2004 and detailed a host of old-guy bashing comments on the part of Google employees in his suit against the company.
This former Stanford professor who said he got great reviews, believes Google, based in Mountain View, CA, gave him the axe because of his age.
His case was thrown out by a lower court because the direct manager who fired him never said a disparaging word about Reidâ(TM)s age, at least not to his face. Even though other Google staffers made fun of his age, the court viewed those comments as âoestray remarks,â and not relevant to Reidâ(TM)s case.
Well, the stateâ(TM)s highest court ruled yesterday that those stray remarks may indeed matter and the case is now moving forward, much to the chagrin of employers across the country.
Rising health care costs and a desire on corporations to avoid training workers (it costs money and corporations fear they'll leave) drive many IT workers from the field at about age 50.
It spiked up after the supreme court gutted age discrimination protection in 2009.
Likewise, younger workers have open said on slashdot that older workers "don't fit their culture".
Which would be amazingly blunt if they said, "black workers don't fit our culture" or "female workers don't fit our culture".
Google actually approached the same 41 year old female engineer 4 times because their automated software was selecting her was a highly qualified candidate and younger human managers repeatedly rejected her. I'm not sure how her lawsuit turned out. So 41 is too old for some managers at Google.
Thing is .. everyone gets older every day. And I've known 64 year old java programmers who programmed the pants off younger workers with a few years experience.
The best thing you can do is to save hard and take any training opportunities you can get. Then also self train in what little spare time you have after the historically longer than average IT work weeks. Eventually, unless you are lucky, all the training in the world won't help because some young managers won't care about your skill set and simply say you are "too old". That's when you retire early on your savings.
That's a good point.
Humans average 67 mutations per generation.
Every single human is a mutant.
And then we also have sexual selection.