The last I looked, the song download networks are not teaming with symphony recordings. I'm betting they are safe.
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Many expenses associated with movies and songs are really the entertainment corporation taking money from their left pocket and putting it in their right pocket to deny the artists royalties.
"There has to be some sort of way to compensate the artist for the hours and the sweat and the blood and the tears and the extreme, extreme expense that goes into making music," Milman said.'"
And I think programmers and their heirs should be paid too.
And we certainly need to recognize all those DEAD artists like John Lennon so we can encourage them to make more songs.
Hell- I say go for it-- let them charge $10 a song and lock everything up digitally with DRM.
I won't listen to it anyway and the huge hordes of artists out there willing to work for less will take up the slack.
Doubt it? Look at "primer"... look at Magnatune... look at "Star Wreck".
There is a huge glut of entertainment. Already- I can't keep up with it. I have a 500 hour backlog that increases by a couple more hours every day. Every time I go to the beach, play a board game, or watch You-tube, read and post on slashdot, more entertainment builds up.
Just relistening to the popular 1970's music would take me 10 hours.
I eat one egg a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane. I eat ten eggs a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane. I eat 100 eggs a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane. I just died from eating too many eggs, but at least I died sane.
2000 sounds like a big number. But each im is basically one or two sentences.
There is a point which is insane-- probably where it starts hurting the person's life.
With college and health care, corporations have developed a really nice system of voluntary slavery.
IT is the worst- 200+ people at my company are working on a project with such insane deadlines that they are working 10 hours a day- then going home and working 2 hours off the clock.
And they are *happy* to be on this project. They are going to give up three years of their youthful lives. There is no bonus at the end for them-- there will be for the departmental president (and likely promotion to the executive branch).
You never feel, taste, spell things as intensely once you get old. Young people give up the best years of their lives for nothing. Because it only takes a couple years without a job to wipe out everything you have.
Productivity has increased by 20x since the 1950's. Yet now 2 people have to work instead of one. And they both still have to work 40-50 hour weeks.
Then a company in china creates a pretty darn decent knockoff for about 50 million after the research was done.
Basically P2P / "Information wants to be free" on an industrial scale.
So, there isn't a lot of point in doing the basic research right now while the playing fields are so uneven. Once costs equal out worldwide, you'll probably see a return to research.
A quote on Slate today said that elderly suicides had declined (roughly) 30% since social security was instituted.
When I looked over the star trek memory wall (http://www.trekkieguy.com/memory01.shtml), I noted that the deaths were
a) a collection of cancers of actors in their 50's b) a huge amount of heart attacks of actors in their 60's. c) a sprinkling of suicides of actors in their 70's. d) and finally a few (really small number) of actors dying of old age in their 90's.
If I had incurable cancer and knew it would end very painfully, I'd off myself first. I'd probably go as long as they gave me morphine and then heroin for the pain tho.
how much freedom and privacy young people are willing to give up.
I won't buy these-- for the first two decades I owned computers they were completely mine. Concepts like these weren't even considered *and* good games were profitable at the same inflation adjusted pricing levels (about $20 to $25 for a good game in the 80's).
I'm headed the other way on this train. I've been reducing cable and it's likely to go black in the next few weeks.
It's just my personal opinion that in 1998, the idea was novel and non-trivial.
Per Groklaw, The '449 patented invention created a reliable method of processing and storing content and metacodes separately and distinctly. The data structure primarily responsible for this separation is called a "metacode map." According to the patent, the "metacode map" allows a computer to manipulate the structure of a document without reference to the content.
I remember when almost all data had hard coded formatting. Trying to do it the way it is done in the patent would have been extremely slow until processors got faster.
I am a strong supporter of openoffice, yet I could not agree that "most users" would be happy. "Many users" sure.
A ton of people use MS Office and would be put out if they lose the ability to use it.
It looks like the office "word" format is still legal. And that ODF could be threatened (but isn't a viable target right now?)
I'll be glad when this particular patent expires. I think it's valid and non-trivial unlike 99.9% of software patents.
So many patents are the equivalent of... "I'm in the house and need to get to the car" so I will use method "Exit the house" and patent the idea. I.e. really dumb.
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Odd thing... lately I can't post from work any more. Slashdot throws an internal server error. From IE and Firefox. No clue why. Hope it doesn't spread to other discussion boards.
I agree with you that it isn't usually happening now (tho I sat in a traffic class with someone busted for 1mph over the speed limit about 5 years ago).
I don't agree with you that it won't happen in the future. Every day we read about a way they have found to automate camera monitoring.
As someone basically 50 years old, it astounds me the things young people take for advantage and freedoms do not even know they have lost.
Even in my life time, people could commit a crime- go elsewhere and live a normal life. Things that might have been a stupid error by a 20 year old or sometimes more serious things. Now they are much more likely to go to jail. The law is much more unforgiving. Make the mistake and basically, your chance at a normal life is over.
The percentage of people in jail has increased to levels that would have been considered totalitarian when I was a boy.
Laws, like the RICO laws have been corrupted to be used for purposes never imagined.
Let's fine you every single time you break any law.
31mph in a 30mph zone-- fine by mail the next day. One for each occurence of course-- so every 1250 feet, another fine-- as long as you are breaking the law.
Spit on the sidewalk?
Drop a piece of paper on the sidewalk?
You probably don't have any idea how many times a week you break the law.
To me, it's like saying, "I'd hate to have a policemen who follows me around all day, personally policing everything I do except for inside my house (for now)."
The laws were written with an understanding that there wouldn't be 100% enforcement. The police would catch the worst cases, and let people off sometime.
If every law were enforced fully, you would be surprised how oppressive it could be. You probably break the law a dozen time a day without realizing it.
It's gotten so expensive that our choice is government bureaucrats, insurance bureacrats, or going bankrupt to pay for it out of our own pockets.
Personally, I think medicare does better job than private insurance and without a huge layer of multi-million dollar executives sucking off money, I think a government run plan would be insurance company service.
Which starts... "Death panels? I'll tell you about death panels. My husband faced one some years ago, and it didn't involve any government bureaucrat. It was run by our private insurer, the sort of corporate entity that foes of health care reform say will give you anything you want."
I say..
Under the current setup, if you lose your job and are chronically ill, you just go bankrupt first and then die a few years later.
I understand that we can't cure everyone and it has to be rationed somehow-- but currently its rationed to rich people first-- and then even when they get sick- unless they are leading a corporation, they are dumped.
No there are sites which have free anime like hulu and abc.com. When the anime becomes illegal for them to offer, they remove it.
Good point on Hulu being US only. I think the UK has a similar service for UK residents only which I can't use.
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But put it this way... when DVD's first came out-- I was buying $200 a month worth of DVD's. Finally, without pirating, I realized that
a) I wasn't watching them more than once. b) I was running out of room to keep them. c) I was falling significantly behind the glut of entertainment d) Older shows were much cheaper than the current stuff. e) DVR's were capable of storing mass quantities of shows for a particular series which was in syndication on two to three networks so I could store 90%+ of a series in two to three months.
And so one fine day about five years ago, I stopped purchasing DVD's and I've bought less than 10 since then. I still go to work exhausted some days just from staying up too late watching non-pirated content.
For songs, there are innumerable internet radio stations, local stations, and XM. I have no interest in a "particular" song most the time-- indeed the effort of maintaining a library became so problematic that I have two dozen DVD's of music which I never listen to any more. I have about 100 purchased CD's which I never listen to any more. I'll occasionally nibble at an indie band via p2p. Of these I listen to one song two or three times-- several other songs once-- and the rest (probably 75%?) I never listen to once. I don't have time to.
I play a lot of board games which I purchase ($100 a month?). The theater in my neighborhood is now charging $4 for movies ($6 at night). I play 16 hours of D&D a month-- and spend another 8 hours a month creating content for them. That's mostly free except for laser toner.
I go to concerts (Blue October because I was given pirated copy of their albums and told it was good.)
Mainly there is just too much. Way too much for me to ever hope to watch/listen/be entertained by it. It seems like the problem will get worse. There are MANY excellent entertainment items ( Everyone should really see "Bringing up Baby" with Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn once in their life. ) and as the population of the world increases and the cost of entertainment decreases (District 9 for $30mil? That's under a penny per living person), (Star Wreck-- free-- 2 hours per viewer), all the various fan films and Youtube, I can see in a decade there will be stuff I would enjoy that I will not see in my lifetime.
Hulu, ABC.Com, etc. Are now offering content with minimal (and well targeted) commercials.
I watched half of "Burn Notice" on Hulu this season.
Most of the Anime I like is online free as well.
There is such a huge glut of entertainment that the deal really will end up being some form of "unlimited content for a fixed price". And at that point, you lose most of the reason to pirate.
I do get things which are unreleased / out of print this way so that will likely continue (until everything is rereleased).
I watch/read/play a smaller and smaller percentage of the content every year. The current output is more than you can keep up with. Just catching up with "Bones" is going to take months.
If class "A" is beating class "B" > 60% of the time, then apply a class damage reduction modifier in pvp.
It wouldn't correct problems where one person is locked down-- for that, you need a developer to trail the losing class and see why they are losing so much and then create something t onegate / balance the problem.
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The last I looked, the song download networks are not teaming with symphony recordings. I'm betting they are safe.
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Many expenses associated with movies and songs are really the entertainment corporation taking money from their left pocket and putting it in their right pocket to deny the artists royalties.
"There has to be some sort of way to compensate the artist for the hours and the sweat and the blood and the tears and the extreme, extreme expense that goes into making music," Milman said.'"
And I think programmers and their heirs should be paid too.
And we certainly need to recognize all those DEAD artists like John Lennon so we can encourage them to make more songs.
Hell- I say go for it-- let them charge $10 a song and lock everything up digitally with DRM.
I won't listen to it anyway and the huge hordes of artists out there willing to work for less will take up the slack.
Doubt it? Look at "primer"... look at Magnatune... look at "Star Wreck".
There is a huge glut of entertainment. Already- I can't keep up with it. I have a 500 hour backlog that increases by a couple more hours every day. Every time I go to the beach, play a board game, or watch You-tube, read and post on slashdot, more entertainment builds up.
Just relistening to the popular 1970's music would take me 10 hours.
Not enough evidence to conclude that.
And the word "damage" presupposes that there is a problem.
And it could be damage to some, while an improvement to others.
I live that way now.
It's the only way I can see to achieve freedom.
The house is a 1955 house and is 1700 square feet. Other than cable TV and internet, it's about the same number of appliances.
Saving like hell-- but I'm only 2 years from being on the street.
I eat one egg a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane.
I eat ten eggs a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane.
I eat 100 eggs a day, if you send more or less, you must be insane.
I just died from eating too many eggs, but at least I died sane.
2000 sounds like a big number. But each im is basically one or two sentences.
There is a point which is insane-- probably where it starts hurting the person's life.
With college and health care, corporations have developed a really nice system of voluntary slavery.
IT is the worst- 200+ people at my company are working on a project with such insane deadlines that they are working 10 hours a day- then going home and working 2 hours off the clock.
And they are *happy* to be on this project. They are going to give up three years of their youthful lives. There is no bonus at the end for them-- there will be for the departmental president (and likely promotion to the executive branch).
You never feel, taste, spell things as intensely once you get old. Young people give up the best years of their lives for nothing. Because it only takes a couple years without a job to wipe out everything you have.
Productivity has increased by 20x since the 1950's. Yet now 2 people have to work instead of one. And they both still have to work 40-50 hour weeks.
Lately, it happens this way...
Company "A" spends 85 billion on research.
Then a company in china creates a pretty darn decent knockoff for about 50 million after the research was done.
Basically P2P / "Information wants to be free" on an industrial scale.
So, there isn't a lot of point in doing the basic research right now while the playing fields are so uneven. Once costs equal out worldwide, you'll probably see a return to research.
This is 264,000 houses worth of energy that would have passed by the planet in space.
The more we do this, the more heat we put into the earth's biosphere.
A quote on Slate today said that elderly suicides had declined (roughly) 30% since social security was instituted.
When I looked over the star trek memory wall (http://www.trekkieguy.com/memory01.shtml), I noted that the deaths were
a) a collection of cancers of actors in their 50's
b) a huge amount of heart attacks of actors in their 60's.
c) a sprinkling of suicides of actors in their 70's.
d) and finally a few (really small number) of actors dying of old age in their 90's.
If I had incurable cancer and knew it would end very painfully, I'd off myself first. I'd probably go as long as they gave me morphine and then heroin for the pain tho.
how much freedom and privacy young people are willing to give up.
I won't buy these-- for the first two decades I owned computers they were completely mine. Concepts like these weren't even considered *and* good games were profitable at the same inflation adjusted pricing levels (about $20 to $25 for a good game in the 80's).
I'm headed the other way on this train. I've been reducing cable and it's likely to go black in the next few weeks.
It's just my personal opinion that in 1998, the idea was novel and non-trivial.
Per Groklaw,
The '449 patented invention created a reliable method of processing and storing content and metacodes separately and distinctly. The data structure primarily responsible for this separation is called a "metacode map." According to the patent, the "metacode map" allows a computer to manipulate the structure of a document without reference to the content.
I remember when almost all data had hard coded formatting. Trying to do it the way it is done in the patent would have been extremely slow until processors got faster.
I am a strong supporter of openoffice, yet I could not agree that "most users" would be happy. "Many users" sure.
A ton of people use MS Office and would be put out if they lose the ability to use it.
It looks like the office "word" format is still legal. And that ODF could be threatened (but isn't a viable target right now?)
I'll be glad when this particular patent expires. I think it's valid and non-trivial unlike 99.9% of software patents.
So many patents are the equivalent of... "I'm in the house and need to get to the car" so I will use method "Exit the house" and patent the idea. I.e. really dumb.
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Odd thing... lately I can't post from work any more. Slashdot throws an internal server error. From IE and Firefox. No clue why. Hope it doesn't spread to other discussion boards.
nt
People share their tax returns, their credit card statements, etc.
They could equally plausibly share their music collection.
I agree with you that it isn't usually happening now (tho I sat in a traffic class with someone busted for 1mph over the speed limit about 5 years ago).
I don't agree with you that it won't happen in the future. Every day we read about a way they have found to automate camera monitoring.
As someone basically 50 years old, it astounds me the things young people take for advantage and freedoms do not even know they have lost.
Even in my life time, people could commit a crime- go elsewhere and live a normal life. Things that might have been a stupid error by a 20 year old or sometimes more serious things. Now they are much more likely to go to jail. The law is much more unforgiving. Make the mistake and basically, your chance at a normal life is over.
The percentage of people in jail has increased to levels that would have been considered totalitarian when I was a boy.
Laws, like the RICO laws have been corrupted to be used for purposes never imagined.
Let's fine you every single time you break any law.
31mph in a 30mph zone-- fine by mail the next day. One for each occurence of course-- so every 1250 feet, another fine-- as long as you are breaking the law.
Spit on the sidewalk?
Drop a piece of paper on the sidewalk?
You probably don't have any idea how many times a week you break the law.
So a million bucks.
About 10 cops & equipment (shared car, work 3 shifts)
100 criminals per cop.
They'd have to catch a criminal every 3 days to keep up with the CCTV's.
Doesn't seem unreasonable.
To me, it's like saying, "I'd hate to have a policemen who follows me around all day, personally policing everything I do except for inside my house (for now)."
The laws were written with an understanding that there wouldn't be 100% enforcement. The police would catch the worst cases, and let people off sometime.
If every law were enforced fully, you would be surprised how oppressive it could be. You probably break the law a dozen time a day without realizing it.
That's one of the two possible outcomes! :)
It's gotten so expensive that our choice is government bureaucrats, insurance bureacrats, or going bankrupt to pay for it out of our own pockets.
Personally, I think medicare does better job than private insurance and without a huge layer of multi-million dollar executives sucking off money, I think a government run plan would be insurance company service.
When most of the jobs are held by robots because they are cheaper....
Not to mention,
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6579362.html
Which starts...
"Death panels? I'll tell you about death panels. My husband faced one some years ago, and it didn't involve any government bureaucrat. It was run by our private insurer, the sort of corporate entity that foes of health care reform say will give you anything you want."
I say..
Under the current setup, if you lose your job and are chronically ill, you just go bankrupt first and then die a few years later.
I understand that we can't cure everyone and it has to be rationed somehow-- but currently its rationed to rich people first-- and then even when they get sick- unless they are leading a corporation, they are dumped.
No there are sites which have free anime like hulu and abc.com.
When the anime becomes illegal for them to offer, they remove it.
Good point on Hulu being US only. I think the UK has a similar service for UK residents only which I can't use.
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But put it this way... when DVD's first came out-- I was buying $200 a month worth of DVD's. Finally, without pirating, I realized that
a) I wasn't watching them more than once.
b) I was running out of room to keep them.
c) I was falling significantly behind the glut of entertainment
d) Older shows were much cheaper than the current stuff.
e) DVR's were capable of storing mass quantities of shows for a particular series which was in syndication on two to three networks so I could store 90%+ of a series in two to three months.
And so one fine day about five years ago, I stopped purchasing DVD's and I've bought less than 10 since then. I still go to work exhausted some days just from staying up too late watching non-pirated content.
For songs, there are innumerable internet radio stations, local stations, and XM. I have no interest in a "particular" song most the time-- indeed the effort of maintaining a library became so problematic that I have two dozen DVD's of music which I never listen to any more. I have about 100 purchased CD's which I never listen to any more. I'll occasionally nibble at an indie band via p2p. Of these I listen to one song two or three times-- several other songs once-- and the rest (probably 75%?) I never listen to once. I don't have time to.
I play a lot of board games which I purchase ($100 a month?). The theater in my neighborhood is now charging $4 for movies ($6 at night).
I play 16 hours of D&D a month-- and spend another 8 hours a month creating content for them. That's mostly free except for laser toner.
I go to concerts (Blue October because I was given pirated copy of their albums and told it was good.)
Mainly there is just too much. Way too much for me to ever hope to watch/listen/be entertained by it.
It seems like the problem will get worse. There are MANY excellent entertainment items ( Everyone should really see "Bringing up Baby" with Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn once in their life. ) and as the population of the world increases and the cost of entertainment decreases (District 9 for $30mil? That's under a penny per living person), (Star Wreck-- free-- 2 hours per viewer), all the various fan films and Youtube, I can see in a decade there will be stuff I would enjoy that I will not see in my lifetime.
Hulu, ABC.Com, etc. Are now offering content with minimal (and well targeted) commercials.
I watched half of "Burn Notice" on Hulu this season.
Most of the Anime I like is online free as well.
There is such a huge glut of entertainment that the deal really will end up being some form of "unlimited content for a fixed price". And at that point, you lose most of the reason to pirate.
I do get things which are unreleased / out of print this way so that will likely continue (until everything is rereleased).
I watch/read/play a smaller and smaller percentage of the content every year. The current output is more than you can keep up with. Just catching up with "Bones" is going to take months.
FYI,
the same approach can be used for classes.
If class "A" is beating class "B" > 60% of the time, then apply a class damage reduction modifier in pvp.
It wouldn't correct problems where one person is locked down-- for that, you need a developer to trail the losing class and see why they are losing so much and then create something t onegate / balance the problem.