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How the Pirate Bay Will Be Legalized
Death Metal sends along this excerpt from Torrentfreak about how Global Gaming Factory, the company who is buying The Pirate Bay, plans to change the site in order to avoid the wrath of the entertainment industry:
"In a letter addressed to [shareholders], the company confirms that the new Pirate Bay will become a pay site, while revealing some additional details on how GGF plans to legalize it. To please the entertainment industry, GGF will install a system that will allow the copyright holders to either authorize the 'illegal' torrent or have it removed from the site. If the copyright holder chooses the first option, they will be compensated every time the file is downloaded. In addition, the board says that it will pay penalties if it has to. 'The holder will be able to leave the file and obtain compensation or ask for removal of the file. GGF will also pay any penalties that may arise,' the GGF board announced."
So, the business model is to take away the things that people are probably most interested in, and start charging for whatever is left?
I can't wait for the IPO!
-Peter
From the looks of their plan, nobody-going-there-anymore is about right.
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Will it keep the name "The Pirate Bay"? That name implies piracy.
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That's a bold idea that's unlikely to work. I think it's great that they're trying though.
The pirate bay will soon be very legal. . . and very dead.
Facts have a liberal bias.
So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.
I'm no psychic, but I'm going to predict that this works about as well as it did for them...
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That's like buying a whore house and getting rid of all the whores.
The copyright holders are now getting fines of about $100000 per illegal download, if I remember correctly. So if the Pirate Bay will pay this as compensation every time it slips up, it's going to have to be a rather expensive pay site, isn't it?
1: Pay content providers for any infringing file
2: ???
3: Profit!
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That is probably one of, if not *the* worst business model I've ever heard in my life.
There is a war going on for your mind.
When you buy music, make sure to check http://riaaradar.com/ to see if the album is from a company that funds the RIAA. If they do, don't buy it and stick it to them a couple dollars of lost earnings at a time.
The IP cartels' opposition to piracy isn't just about the piracy itself; they are scared to death of the creation of a decentralized alternative to their existing systems for finding and exploiting artistic talent. The only reason they would embrace *any* method of distribution they don't have total control over is absolute desperation.
It's not about monetizing piracy. If they can't sell you a new version every couple years, control release dates, price a product differently in different regions, censor products for certain markets, or control how the product is presented then your distribution channel is a *threat* to them and they are going to try and take it down. If a kid can record a hit album with two grand worth of hardware and software - and, even worse, distribute it with two hundred bucks worth of hardware, how can they make their millions?
It's not about money. It's about them retaining the control they need to foist their ideal business model on the rest of the world.
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Dont you mean bury it?
Get real, TPB was only there due to piracy, if that is gone, its of ZERO value.
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Hulu, ABC.Com, etc. Are now offering content with minimal (and well targeted) commercials.
I watched half of "Burn Notice" on Hulu this season.
Most of the Anime I like is online free as well.
There is such a huge glut of entertainment that the deal really will end up being some form of "unlimited content for a fixed price". And at that point, you lose most of the reason to pirate.
I do get things which are unreleased / out of print this way so that will likely continue (until everything is rereleased).
I watch/read/play a smaller and smaller percentage of the content every year. The current output is more than you can keep up with. Just catching up with "Bones" is going to take months.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
The "legal" Pirate Bay, will have the same or less popularity as the "legal" Napster.
TPB is a site full of links to torrents. There are many other sites that link to torrents, and furthermore once links are obtained by end users, they are easy enough to pass on via email, social networking sites, and instant messaging. The owners of TPB must be laughing their arses off - someone has come along offering to pay to take a site off their hands that will become essentially useless as soon as its sold, and thus take the legal heat off them.
I still think the upper echelons of industry are lagging behind in their understanding of technology by a few years. There seems to be an assumption that all sites they associate with piracy are equal and that this will just be Napster V2.0. Has somebody actually sat down with these people and explained what bittorrent actually is?
I'm sure that, with this business model, TBP will take the Napster way to oblivion.
You know what is going to happen? We are going to get sites that do nothing but list DHT hash URI's (or maybe just the hashes) instead of torrent files. I wonder how the powers that be will take that?
Just add "filetype:torrent" to the end of your search, eg.
watchmen filetype:torrent
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I, for one, welcome our new commercialized pirate overlords.
The biggest irony of all is that by getting wildly rich the guys from TPB make it more attractive for other people to set up torrent sites. The RIAA is just cutting a single head off a huge hydra.
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WWW>TPB's not pinin'! TPB's passed on! TPB is no more! TPB has ceased to be! TPB's expired and gone to meet its maker! TPB's a stiff! Bereft of life, TPB rests in peace! If you hadn't renewed its registration, TPB would be pushing up the daisies! TPB's tracking processes are now history! TPB's off the twig! TPB's kicked the bucket, TPB's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-TPB!!
GGF> Not it's not. It's just Napster.
I hope someone has backed up the entire TPB site, because as soon as it changes, someone will need to set up the new one then.
I'm not going to try to justify things here... I download copyrighted material. I like to think that I'm not quite so evil because ultimately I do pay for the stuff that I actually like - but it is still piracy.
So, where do I get my torrents now?
The Pirate Bay was pretty much my go-to site to find just about anything. I'm not sure where to look these days.
Any suggestions?
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The Pirate Bay is dead... time to move on.
This new company essentially made an expensive domain name purchase
Would anyone really be interested in this new companies scheme if it were called the TheCommercialCove.com rather than(feebly) hiding behind the pirate bay "brand"?
The Pirate Bay already *was* legal. What they did now, is openly state that they themselves think it's not legal. Which would probably be the biggest failure they could possibly do.
If it weren't for their plan to try, what a bazillion of other sites tried in this exact form, where they all failed horribly without exception, and where there still are retards trying it again and again. Are they drunk? Did they learn nothing? Did they never read the news? Or is it like flies flying into an bug zapper?
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Who is going to pay the people who take the time and effort to encode (pirate, if you must use the term) the stuff? Yeah, it's not their original content, but certainly the *value* in the stuff you get from TPB is the format, and that stuff doesn't just magically happen, you know. I mean, if I wanted a permanent copy for myself, I could rent and rip myself. But I have better things to do with my time. And for stuff I only intend to watch once, well, TPB is a better option than blockbuster or netflix.
I think they are operating in milk the money from the suckers mode while TPB still has buzz.
You didn't clear anything up "for me". I tried to clear it up for you, but I guess I expected too much thought on your part.
Let me type more slowly and be more direct this time, so that you don't have to think so hard:
You are confusing means and motive. Control is just the means, (maximized accumulation of) money is the motive.
In the corporate world, it is always about money.
1. Create a moderately funny home video. Heck, create crappy home video.
2. Upload to PirateBay
3. Instruct your 1000+ machine BitTorrent botnet to download it 24/7
4. Ask GGF to pay royalties for downloads.
5. Profit!
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You're stretching point 3, or not making any sense. If you actually lend someone a physical copy, you no longer have use of it. The only internet-enhanced way of doing that would be a swapping website where you find people who want to trade with you. They exist, and they are legal. So the first half of your statement is not true.
You might be confusing the physical object for an electronic copy, which is something you do not have the rights to do. You seem to be implying that sharing something over p2p is the same as having it available at the library.
You aren't "swapping media" with the library any more than you are doing the same thing with your friends - someone has to buy it, then you can trade with all your friends. But you have to have something to trade FOR, which spurs additional purchases. so a group of 18 friends buys 18 products and trades. A city of 100k people could buy 100k items and then effectively trades via library.
Going to the library does achieve the same ends as trading with your friends, as there is a finite number of copies available. If the library has 2 copies, 2 people can watch/read/whatever at a time, then they have to return it. And only the library has the right to make a backup copy, not the borrowers. Content owners don't mind the library purchase typically because library patrons are not going to buy the item directly. Instead, the government makes purchase decisions (sometimes with input). The demand for more "free" books available at the library is matched with the available funding based on the tax revenues for the city typically. The collective demand results in a "virtual purchaser", who would not otherwise exist. It's as if someone magically appeared in your circle of friends with a bunch of things you could borrow - but they bought those things using your and your friends' money.
The trick here is you don't get to buy it in Spokane and let it out to someone from Springfield. Springfield has at least one copy and Spokane as well, or else it is not available to the people there (some cities have reciprocal agreements with neighboring cities, but since you have people who live one place and work another that makes sense).
This paragraph is assuming you are implying that p2p sharing is the same as a library. With 20,000 cities in the US (estimate), that means that for you to share something over the internet, someone would have to purchase 20,000 copies in order for every city to have legal access to it. Consider some cities have recip agreements, but others would need more copies to meet demand, and it evens out. Then figure how many library purchases would need to be made to be the equivalent number of purchases needed to support the entire online population. At $20 per CD, you would need to spend $400,000 in order to make a copy available to everyone in USA, which makes the Jammie Thomas damage awards look like a reasonable deal.
Minor quibble: you can broadcast if you buy a license to do so. It's not illegal, it's just also not free. Also, you can capture the stream depending on the license. If the broadcaster has the right to copy it, you can save it. If not, you can't. Most likely this would make a great court case - why can I record OTA radio but not internet radio? Ultimately, the argument will fall into the realm of you can record for personal use as long as there is no DRM type encryption to circumvent, making this second point a copy of the first point.
Pirate Bay is soooooo over with.
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Unfortunately, step 3 of the plan ignores the new subscription fee TBP will expect from all 1000+ of your BitTorrent bots. In the end you are just paying yourself or somehow stealing money from the owners of the bots.
I think that this can't really be happening, they can't really be this stupid or evil. I mean look at their site laughing at legal threats. I think that this is a scheme the founders cooked up. Hear me out.
:D. After that they form 'The pirates bay' and rip off their old database. It is the only thing that makes sense and doesn't depress me.
Remember they got stuck with like a multi-million dollar bill? Now they sold their 'assets' to a company. Said company will now take control of those debts. Then they can sell their shares and quit
I recently downloaded Cheers. All 11 seasons. That would cost an ungodly amount for a series I have really already seen. So, what would they charge for it? I am also downloading Star Wars in HD. Bought the movies in VHS years ago, so certainly not going to pay full price for it again.
A few bucks a month, I might be willing to pay and you could run a succesful business with that because of the large number of buyers and the cheapness of doing business over the net. But the media companies want every last penny. iTunes makes this bloody clear, it hasn't give a single cent of the savings in logistics to the consumer. All the money that used to go to truck-drivers, factory workers and shop assistents now goes straight to the media-moguls.
TPB going commercial is the end, just as the media wants it to end because the simple fact is they want to charge the maximum amount possible and then complain about dropping sales.
You are really have to wonder about the guys behind this deal. Are they dying to loose money? Or maybe there is a hidden connection here?
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I think this company that is buying TPB is a front company for the RIAA, or other equally aligned entity.
They INTEND on driving the fucker into the ground. Why ELSE would they try and implement something so obviously stupid and doomed to failure?
Anyone have a link to The Pirate Bay 2 yet? (Seriously, how hard would it be to simply set up another tracker with a different name?)
If there is anything good out of this, the proceeds of the sale can be used to cover legal fees to get out from under existing legal fuck-alls, or to protect TPB2 from non-compete clauses that I am sure are a part of this deal. Get the RIAA to pay their legal fees.
Yes indeed, this seems like SCO. Get something made illegal then position yourself as the gatekeeper of legal access, for a price. Profit! Or so they think. TPB was railroaded in court. At least the summary put quotes around 'illegal'.
Need a better word than Legalized. Sanitized? Conformed? Censored? Tolled? Oh, heck, we all know the word is Ruined.
Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
So, how is this going to work for TV shows? If I typically download a TV show that is not shown in my country, which was digitally recorded from TV, now I won't be able to see that anymore just because the copyright holder of the show doesn't want me to even if that show was broadcast on TV?
If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.
Why would you have a legal recourse? No one is obligated to sell you a product, let alone sell you one in the form you desire.
If nobody can sell me a copy because nobody knows who owns the right to sell me a copy, how does this situation "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"?
They are going the way of Napster.... ...
I predict 3 more months online after sold (tops)
is the same as zero percent...
Nice moral backflip...I give you a 9. (Which is really just the same as a 10)
I thought everybody here knew by now. The guys behind the Pirate Bay sold their domain name and software because it was outdated. The money they received is going to pay for new initatives. Currently they are working on openbittorrent.com and torrage.com as a combined decentralized model. Read more about it here. AFAIK you can replace "thepiratebay.com" with "openbittorrent.com" in all torrents currently available on thepiratebay.
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Alas, Pirate Bay, you were nice while we knew ye. The site will be a ghost town by the end of the year.
That word would be cowed. As in ordinary people just trying to make a living are cowed by threats and intimidation and overt buying of judges and juries by the corporations who actually controll the governments of the world and always have.
Essentially the new TPB is now paying protection money to IP owners whether the infringement is illegal or completely legal such as "Fair Use."
Anyone who goes up against a large corporation which has a huge well paid legal department and expects justice from the courts is a fool.
Sure there may be small victories here and there but "small" is the operative word. This is why the courts had to create the Class Action suit so that the people who know they're getting sodomized could feel like there was some way they could obtain justice.
It's the same reason that democracies let the people vote. The people still get sodomized but they feel good when they vote out the current sodomizer until they get sodomized by the next.
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It has already failed. It seems like whatever the Pirate Bay used to be, it no longer is.
I know in general how bit-torrent works, but not the 'write that code everyday' kinda knowledge-So this may be a ' well-duh ' question: Would it be possible for bit-torrent clients to mark out the ip addresses (or ranges) that Pirate Bay uses? Basically, just completely put TPB out in the cold? I know that you could 'vote with your feet' by not going there in the first place, but what if you wanted to make sure that you are not helping them out in any way? Route nothing to, from or thru them. Turn it into a ghost-town (or ghost-site).
its not some company's property. if its in their vaults from decades ago and they won't let it out, we have every right to let it out. its OUR culture according to any philosophically coherent line of reasoning. of course, legally, its not our right to enjoy our own culture. that companies can purchase the allegiance of congresspeople to pass laws that only serve corporations, at the shrinking of our right to engage in the enjoyment of our own culture, doesn't mean anything of any logical coherence we should respect. its about force, not reason, that copyright laws exist at this point. its a group of bullies set up to wring cash out of everyday people, not to serve the further creation of media
we the people liked the original idea: to give content creators limited short term monopolies in order to encourage them to create. what distributors (not creators) have done with that idea is to create nothing but a perversion of that original idea, over time
a limitation on my culture so that someone can make a buck? it is high time we the people simply ignore copyright law. or even better, outright destroy the financial underpinnings of the parasites that sleazily purchase philosophically invalid laws from our government in order to justify their continued unnecessary parasitical existence. technology has made them defunct. rapacious legal action is simply a last desperate attempt at relevancy
copyright law and intellectual property has become nothing but farce. i do not respect it. if you have any conscience, neither should you. luckily we live in a world where technology empowers us, at the frustration of corporate parasites:
1. a thousand lawyers versus
2. a million technologically astute, media hungry, and POOR teenagers
ding, ding
game on, motherfuckers
war
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Am I the only one who thinks this could be a good idea? It gives copyright holders a chance to adapt to the new - possibly better way - to distribute their material. I can imagine big studios (**AA spooks) vehemently demanding that the torrents be removed. But the smaller/indie ones would probably consider it. I mean, their stuff are being downloaded anyway, why not earn from that too?
And who knows, if this system works for the small guys, the big ones might even change their minds.
(Related article: All you can eat music)
If I'll still be able to download Linux disc images for free.
But... the future refused to change.
*snaps fingers*
THAT was the name of the other company that tried this.
I couldn't, for the life of me, remember the name of that site that Lars Ulric killed. It was right on the tip of my tongue...
Oh well. Pretty soon, no one will remember TPB either.