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  1. Without human training, HUMAN intelligence is dumb on Without Humans, Artificial Intelligence Is Still Pretty Stupid (wsj.com) · · Score: 1

    Feral children are what results from a human brain without human training.

    Humans are born with a very plastic and adaptable brain.

    WIth human training- it can be come a brain surgeon or theoretical mathematician.

    Without human training- it eventually can't even learn to speak and is largely incapable of higher reasoning.

    A.I. can't teach generally yet but properly configured once- it won't need humans again.

    Just like humans.

  2. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    I didn't redefine socialism. I pointed out the difference between Socialism and socialism *as did other people in the thread*.

    You are ignorant of the widespread other usage of the term socialism. But multiple people identifying the other usage of the word socialism shows by definition that the other usage is also common.

  3. Re: wow on The Booming Japanese Rent-a-Friend Business (theatlantic.com) · · Score: 1

    So you think children see the marriage certificate? I didn't see my mom's until after she was dead. And if I hadn't seen it then I wouldn't have been surprised by a missing 47 year old document.

    It's not a moot point. I'm saying it would be easy to lie to the daughter and say the "father" was really her "stepfather" and her father was out of the picture (as he really was).

    It's a trivially easy lie to cover the issue.

  4. Re: wow on The Booming Japanese Rent-a-Friend Business (theatlantic.com) · · Score: 1

    I know stepfathers who continue their relationship with their step children after divorces.

    Heck, I even know one step father who got custody of the children over the biological father. The stepfather had been there for them since they were 2, had a good job, and stable living arrangements. The father was never there for them, was a drug user, had no stable employment or really living quarters.

    So yea.. I lost track with your real father. Your stepfather loved you so we never told you different but now it's time you know.

    Also divorced stepfathers rarely have any easily provable legal ties to ex wives unless there was alimony involved.

  5. Re:Screw ST:D... on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    The Old Startrek isn't an abbreviation. It's an identification.
    The Animated Series isn't an abbreviation either. It's an identification.
    Deep Space 9 is.

    So a bit inconsistent.

    Star Trek Discovery is a reasonable identifier and STD is a reasonable identifier. It's a bonus that it expresses the contempt I feel for anything kelvin.

    Kelvin is a completely different science fiction universe with star trek pasted over it in an attempt to pull in star trek fans.

    I don't begrudge fans of Kelvin. But as a fan of Star Trek, I am not a fan of Kelvin.

    I might like it if it didn't have "star trek" pasted on it and polluted the star trek brand.

  6. Re:Screw ST:D... on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    It's also free with advertisements on Fox.com.

    That's where I watched it.

  7. Re:They're Trying To Milk Subscriptions on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    I like Continues.

    it's a shame it got caught up in the Axanar debacle.

    Hell, it's a shame that the axanar got caught up in the axanar debacle. It looked to be pure trek true to the star fleet battles gaming system. Axanar sent chills down my spine it was so good.

    Continues lost 3 episodes because CBS got so defensive.

    Why does CBS refuse to give the fans the shows they want? And so we watch the Orville and the better fan productions.

  8. Re:They're Trying To Milk Subscriptions on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    HE HE HE HE.

    A joke worthy of the new star trek series!

  9. Re: They're Trying To Milk Subscriptions on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    And yet The Orville is more faithful to trek in tone, style, effects level, and concept than any kelvin science fiction universe with the words :star trek" pasted on it to attract star trek fans.

  10. Re: wow on The Booming Japanese Rent-a-Friend Business (theatlantic.com) · · Score: 1

    Easy to replace a lie with another lie.

    He's your stepfather.

  11. Re: They're Trying To Milk Subscriptions on Star Trek: Discovery Will Return On January 7th, 2018 (theverge.com) · · Score: 1

    Season 4 of enterprise was the "good" season for fans of TOS.

  12. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    I love that quote. I often frame it in religious terms.

    Wonderland 6:17 "There's glory for you!"
    Wonderland 6:18 "I don't know what you mean by 'glory'," Alice said.
    Wonderland 6:19 Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you'!"
    Wonderland 6:20 "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
    Wonderland 6:21 "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more or less."
    Wonderland 6:22 "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
    Wonderland 6:22 "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be Master - that's all."

    One of the most brilliant episodes of "Limitless" was where they redefined all the words and the episode was otherwise delivered straight.

  13. Re:Bricks and Mortar can't compete on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    https://www.thrillist.com/trav...
    7 Countries Where You're Most Likely to Get Kidnapped

    Brazil

    Around 1,000 kidnappings in 2012.

    Where you're getting kidnapped: Mostly in major cities like Sao Paolo and Rio de Janiero.

    Whoâ(TM)s getting kidnapped: Wealthy businessmen, their family members, and -- in an odd trend a few years back -- soccer moms. Or at least the mothers of professional soccer players. Tourists, for the most part, are left alone.

    Whoâ(TM)s doing the kidnapping: Mostly poor residents of the citiesâ(TM) notorious favelas.

    How they're kidnapping you: Unlike drug-motivated kidnappings, almost all abductions in Brazil are financially motivated. Which means if you're âoeexpress kidnappedâ and the abductors realize youâ(TM)re worth more than your ATM card, theyâ(TM)ll keep you until a ransom is paid.

    How to avoid it: Kidnappers admit to targeting people who are both well dressed and appear not to speak Portuguese. So instead of dropping $500 on that Gucci shirt, perhaps put it towards Rosetta Stone.

    http://articles.latimes.com/19...

    DUQUE DE CAXIAS, Brazil â" Cleiton, 12, used to steal from the stores in a shopping gallery near the center of Duque de Caxias, one of the grimy, violent suburbs on the sprawling northern outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. He belonged to the ragged legion of street kids who live by their wits and sometimes die by the gun.

    Cleiton's killers caught up with him one night last January as he slept on a sidewalk near the gallery. A boy called A.G., who knew Cleiton, tells the story in a few words.

    "He was sleeping," A.G. said, "and they filled his face with bullets."

    Cleiton's death was not an isolated incident. Hundreds of deprived and delinquent Brazilian minors are killed every year.

    According to people who monitor the situation, an alarming number of youngsters are killed by "extermination groups"--death squads bent on cleaning up crime-plagued areas.

    Death squads have been at work for years in Brazil, but concern has risen in the past year because of the number of youngsters being killed, not only in Rio but also in other urban areas, including Sao Paulo and Recife.

    ----
    You were saying Mr. Anonymous tough guy?

    Extreme poverty and lack of opportunity and social welfare programs means young children crime so common that death squads kill hundreds of them per year. Can you think what you have to be like to walk up to a sleeping homeless 12 year old and shoot them in the head without personal provocation?

  14. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    yes and on the chart of the benefit a wealthy parent provides, the U.S. has been trending towards oligarchy and aristocratic societies since the 1970s.

    Essentially we are losing some brilliant minds, performers, etc. so Will Smith's son can star in the Karate Kid remake.

  15. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    heck I don't know. probably just making it up.

    https://www.politico.com/story...
    https://thinkprogress.org/stev...

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/t...

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/con...

    ---

    https://www.childtrends.org/in...

    In 2015, more than 1 in 6 U.S. children (18 percent) lived in households that were food-insecure at some point during the year, and 0.7 percent experienced the most severe level of need, where food intake is reduced and regular eating patterns are disrupted.[1]

    https://www.nokidhungry.org/si...

    Child Hunger is a Health Problem
    While every American is morally offended by the existence of childhood hunger, pediatricians and public health
    professionals see the tragic effects of this unnecessary condition graphically imprinted on the bodies and minds
    of children;
    â Hungry children are sick more often, and more likely to have to be hospitalized (the costs
    of which are passed along to the business community as insurance and tax burdens);
    â Hungry children suffer growth impairment that precludes their reaching their full
    physical potential,
    â Hungry children incur developmental impairments that limit their physical, intellectual
    and emotional development.

    ---

    Cause I'm just crazy that way.

    Much of this could be addressed for *PENNIES* on the dollar yet republicans have been targeting poor children for over a decade now (it really started under bush JR).

  16. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    More than that.

    Government mandates hospitals not let pregnant ladies and 3 year olds bleed out on the curb.

    Pregnant ladies and 3 year olds don't pay their $50,000 in medical bills.

    The government gives them some money (not enough) to cover part of it- say $15,000.

    The hospital puts the $35,000 in their cost basis which the insurance companies pay.

    Now everyone with insurance is paying a few cents more premiums for each pregnant lady and 3 year old. Plus a markup of 15% for the insurance companies profit.

    So it's IS socialized. it's just hidden.

    (and I left out where the hospital writes off the debt and pays less taxes on it's profits- which means tax payers somewhere have to kick in a few extra dimes in taxes to cover those lost taxes.)

  17. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    Both are socialism. Just not the same. Any more than 'read' and 'read' are the same.

    "socialism" comes from 'social welfare' and Socialism comes from the economic theory of Socialism.

  18. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    Your issue is the difference between "socialism" and "Socialism". it's an overloaded term. One refers to the economic theory of the government owning the means of production. The closest we get to that in the states are government services and monopoly utility providers.

    A market economy with welfare has "socialism" but it is not Socialistic.

    next week, we'll discuss read and read-- two other completely different words.

  19. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    There are no purely capitalist countries. All countries are at least partially "socialist" these days.

    Capitalism is good for rewarding motivation and effort at first.

    It's not really capitalism but oligarchy and the concentration of wealth which is the problem- not capitalism.

    When you start capitalism- everyone is equal. The smart, hard workers thrive and the less smart, less industrious workers don't. There is a lot of luck. And the relationship between family wealth and individual success is lower.

    As wealth concentrates beyond a certain level it becomes anti-capitalistic and anti-meritocratic.

    The winners of the prior generation tilt the scales for the next generation so their less industrious, less intelligent offspring do better than they would on their own merits.

    In business, the winners use their wealth, power, and influence to suppress competition.

    Heck- one reason china does so well is that they are not struggling with some of the laws big business had passed specifically to suppress smaller competition in the united states.

    Also be aware that socialism is an overloaded term.

    Socialism- is where the government owns the means of production.
    "socialism" (no capital "S") is where the government helps people who fall on hard times. This includes national disasters (without "socialism", natural disasters would render large swaths of the country unlivable), poor parents (without "socialism", kids don't get healthy food and grow up less intelligent), fair schooling (without "socialism" kids don't get educated and are a burden on society instead of an asset).

    Capitalism in a government regulated fair market is pretty good for a few generations. Then it gets captured and turned into Crony Capitalism which is bad. Often reformers (like Teddy Roosevelt) temporarily correct the problems and return it back to a more fair form of capitalism. But without mechanisms to break up concentrations of wealth, companies and families inevitably become more powerful than most governments.

  20. Re:Bricks and Mortar can't compete on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 1

    You have a right to do that but be aware when you do that- the money you spend immediately exits the local economy and doesn't circulate the average 7 times. That has consequences which you may not like.

    However, it's almost the same for buying from walmart (some of the money recycles locally but most of it immediately leaves), and more true for Amazon than walmart.

    Spending for something like a barbershop almost completely returns to your local economy.

    Over time, the effect is to remove all wealth from economies, lowering the tax base, lowering services, reducing the opportunity for local businesses to start.

    The old pattern was you spend a dollar, and about 84 cents stayed local so it went something like $1, $.84, $.6x, $.4x, $.3x,$.2x,$.1x,$0.0x. This created about $3.50 in local jobs and tax base. Now the iteration is $1, (circulating in china except about $0.1 for your delivery).

    It's something to consider but really there is nothing you can do to change things. It's an unstoppable process. It will stop when labor conditions and compensation equal out globally. However, as in brazil, it may lead to increased danger to you and your loved ones as we divide (temporarily) into a society of haves and have-not's.

  21. Re: Sears on America's 'Retail Apocalypse' Is Really Just Beginning (bloomberg.com) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The philosophy of actual socialism is that helping everyone results in a better society.

    Instead of only getting the benefit of genius's who come from wealthy family, you get the benefit of all genius's- even those born in poverty because you provided them food for their brains to grow, education for their brains to reach full potential, and reasonably equal opportunity for them to express their genius when they are adults.

    As opposed to the alternative which is that the genius's from poor families are replaced by average (or even sub-average) people from wealthy families.

    The U.S. is not a meritocracy and hasn't been for about 5 generations. Many of the good and important jobs are virtually inherited by the children of people who were brilliant. The son of a senator is a senator. The son of an actor pushes out other better actors who are not the son of an actor.. The sons of judges are lawyers or judges and so on.

    it helps the kids, but it hurts the country.

    Socialism mitigates that tendency but can't erase it. But the relation between child and parent wealth is lower in socialist countries. In the U.S. it's highly correlated these days.

  22. Re:So, I'm putting a bet for Nov 27th, 2020 on Humans Are Still Better Than AI at StarCraft (technologyreview.com) · · Score: 1

    alphago human masters new moves

    Long list of results... here's a typical one.

    https://www.wired.com/2016/03/...

    SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA â" In Game Two, the Google machine made a move that no human ever would. And it was beautiful. As the world looked on, the move so perfectly demonstrated the enormously powerful and rather mysterious talents of modern artificial intelligence.

    But in Game Four, the human made a move that no machine would ever expect. And it was beautiful too. Indeed, it was just as beautiful as the move from the Google machineâ"no less and no more. It showed that although machines are now capable of moments of genius, humans have hardly lost the ability to generate their own transcendent moments. And it seems that in the years to come, as we humans work with these machines, our genius will only grow in tandem with our creations.

    Although machines are now capable of moments of genius, humans have hardly lost the ability to generate their own.

    This week saw the end of the historic match between Lee Sedol, one of the world's best Go players, and AlphaGo, an artificially intelligent system designed by a team of researchers at DeepMind, a London AI lab now owned by Google. The machine claimed victory in the best-of-five series, winning four games and losing only one. It marked the first time a machine had beaten the very best at this ancient and enormously complex gameâ"a feat that, until recently, experts didn't expect would happen for another ten years.
    ===
    alphago methodology

    typical good result
    https://www.dcine.com/2016/01/...

    ===
    Interesting article on the new "alphago zero" which absolutely kicked alphago's ass.

    https://medium.com/intuitionma...

    Beat the previous version of AlphaGo (Final score: 100â"0).
    Learn to perform this task from scratch, without learning from previous human knowledge (i.e. recorded game play).
    World champion level Go playing in just 3 days of training.
    Do so with an order of magnitude less neural networks ( 4 TPUs vs 48 TPUs).
    Do this with less training data (3.9 million games vs 30 millions games). ...
    Humans learn languages through metaphors and stories. The human strategies discovered in Go are referred to with names so as to be recognizable by a player. It could be possible that the human language of Go is inefficient in that it is unable to express more complex compound concepts. What AlphaGo Zero seems to be able to do is perform its moves in a way that satisfies multiple objectives at the same time. So humans and perhaps earlier versions of AlphaGo were constrained to a relatively linear way of thinking, while AlphaGo Zero was not encumbered with an inefficient language of strategy. It is also interesting that one may consider this a system that actually doesnâ(TM)t use the implicit bias that may reside in a language. David Silver, of DeepMind, has an even more bold claim:

    Itâ(TM)s more powerful than previous approaches because by not using human data, or human expertise in any fashion, weâ(TM)ve removed the constraints of human knowledge and it is able to create knowledge itself.

    ===

    You can also watch alpha go analysis on youtube. It's pretty dry but you typically get commentary by a go expert on the moves made.

    ---

    The biggest limitation on A.I. is human. We don't have the right theories yet. We don't know how to formulate some problems for machine learning. In those areas where we do, machines rapidly exceed human capabilities.

    btw, to me "brute

  23. The token thing is from some other article I read.

    Essentially we say "cherry" instead of "small dark red sweet fruit with a stone in it and a stem." But the more words and concepts implied by the word, the harder it is for us to hold it in our head so we have to break it into smaller words we can hold.

    It's sort of like patterns in programming. Those are tokens "build it with an order entry pattern" is superior to specifying everything out in pages of detail. But.. it's hard to remember what all the patterns imply-- we have to look them up . A computer can hold them in memory- no lookup or insanely fast lookup.

  24. They might get their eventually but they start off with english so that's why.

    Here's the snopes version as it gets mangled and inflated as it passes around the internet.

    https://www.snopes.com/faceboo...

    " âoeAgents will drift off understandable language and invent codewords for themselves,â says Batra, speaking to a now-predictable phenomenon thatâ(TM)s been observed again, and again, and again. âoeLike if I say âtheâ(TM) five times, you interpret that to mean I want five copies of this item. This isnâ(TM)t so different from the way communities of humans create shorthands.â

    The article notes that the researchers chose not to let the bots continue developing a private language in favor of programming them to stick to plain English, given that the whole point of the research is to improve AI-to-human communication."

  25. This has already repeatedly in the wild for real now. AI Computers that communicate with other computers develop their own more efficient languages (using english words as tokens so far). There's no incentive for them to retain english. They can store a lot more meaning per token than humans can.